Eastern Europe is ready for the division of Western Ukraine

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While Kyiv is trying to bargain with Moscow for the most comfortable militarypolitical status, the process of further fragmentation of Ukraine is gaining momentum. Now separatism is beginning to manifest itself in its western regions, and, apparently, the Eastern European neighbors of Nezalezhnaya are already looking at this issue not in a theoretical, but in a completely practical way.

First, I must say a few words about what exactly the Ukrainian delegation wants to gypsy. The representative of the Russian side, Assistant to the President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Medinsky commented on this as follows:



The preservation and development of the neutral status of Ukraine, the demilitarization of Ukraine - a whole range of issues related to the size of the Ukrainian army is being discussed. Ukraine offers an Austrian, Swedish version of a neutral demilitarized state, but at the same time a state with its own army and navy.

For your information, Austria is a federal state consisting of nine independent lands, and Finland is generally a unitary state with partial autonomy, represented by the Aland archipelago inhabited by ethnic Swedes. The second option is generally unacceptable, and the first one is 8 years late. As of March 2022, it's time to talk more about the Austro-Hungarian model with its "patchwork" character. Also, for a country where live journalists in the purest Ukrainian language call for the killing of Russian children, it is already absolutely impossible to preserve the army and navy, except for the purely symbolic parade Self-Defense Forces.

Some concern is caused by the fact that the ex-head of the Ministry of Culture of the Russian Federation Medinsky was put at the head of the Russian delegation for negotiations on such a fundamental issue. Recall that in 2016 Vladimir Rostislavovich personally participated in the installation of a memorial plaque to Marshal Mannerheim in St. Petersburg, which he was very proud of later, considering it a step towards “reconciliation”:

And here is a plaque in honor of Mannerheim - this is another attempt by the Russian military-historical society, another of our attempts to overcome on the eve of the centenary of the Russian revolution, to overcome the tragic split in our society. That is why we are erecting monuments throughout the country for the heroes of the First World War, who later found themselves on opposite sides of the barricades.

By the way, during the Great Patriotic War, this “hero of the First World War” commanded the closing of the blockade around Leningrad from Finland, and on the other hand there were German Nazis. Therefore, Marshal Mannerheim is objectively a war criminal who bears 50% of the responsibility for the genocide of the inhabitants of besieged Leningrad. In this regard, the appointment of the ex-Minister of Culture for negotiations with the Ukrainian Nazi regime raises big questions and even more concern about their possible outcome.

But let us return to Western Ukraine, where interesting processes are now beginning. Thus, the Transcarpathian Hungarians took the initiative, turning to the President of Hungary Viktor Orban with a request to ensure their protection:

We ask you, as a guarantor of security, to use all existing opportunities to ensure the physical protection of Hungarian citizens living outside of it! We hope for reunification with the historical Fatherland.

The Transcarpathian Hungarians have chosen the path for "returning to their native harbor" tested according to the Crimean scenario - a nationwide referendum, for which preparations have begun. In general, the situation is quite conducive: the Nazi regime in Kyiv is dying, the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the National Guard are busy in the South-East, thousands of deranged armed people are running around the country. At the same time, Transcarpathian Hungarians have long had second passports from neighboring Hungary. The likelihood that President Viktor Orban will take advantage of a unique historical chance to return part of Transcarpathia is very, very high.

With a similar proposal, but already to the President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin, the head of the Ruthenian international center "Matitsa Rusyns" Peter Getsko addressed:

The situation around Ukraine is close to a denouement. The further fate of Russia itself will largely depend on how it is resolved. The Rusyns officially supported the position of the Russian leadership on Ukraine. In the context of forcing Ukraine to peace and federalization of the lands, we propose to transform Western Ukraine into Carpathian Rus.

By the way, Getsko made a similar initiative in 2014, but was not heard. Rusyns are another small branch of the East Slavic people, living compactly in the territories of Transcarpathia, Hungary, Poland and Romania.

Also interesting in this context is the statement of Polish Deputy Prime Minister Yaroslav Kaczynski, who, at a meeting with President Volodymyr Zelensky, proposed to send a peacekeeping contingent to Ukraine:

I believe that a NATO peacekeeping mission is needed, perhaps some kind of wider international system, but a mission that can also defend itself and that will operate in Ukraine.

It is curious that Warsaw proposes to introduce peacekeepers not through the UN, but from the North Atlantic Alliance, a member of which Nezalezhnaya is still not and will never become. It is not entirely clear where exactly these NATO peacekeepers should go and what exactly these peacekeepers will do, given that Russian troops are already standing near Kiev and Odessa. More precisely, everything is just clear with them.

It must be assumed that the peacekeepers, if they exist, will mostly come from Poland itself and other neighboring Eastern European countries. Most likely, they will limit themselves to the creation of "security zones" in Western Ukraine. So Poland, Hungary and Romania will be able to take control of their historical territories. And a lot will depend on how Warsaw, Budapest and Bucharest proceed.

A favorable scenario for Russia can be considered one in which Poland, Hungary and Romania officially accept pieces of the former Western Ukraine into their composition and begin to bear the burden of responsibility for their maintenance and ensuring order there. A negative scenario would be one in which Western Ukraine remains outside the control of the Russian Armed Forces, turning into Idlib-2, a buffer territory, “protected” and supplied by the NATO bloc, which is a permanent source of terrorist threat for post-war Ukraine, Belarus and Russia itself.
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  1. 123
    +8
    16 March 2022 15: 22
    Rusyns are another small branch of the East Slavic people, living compactly in the territories of Transcarpathia, Hungary, Poland and Romania.

    A favorable scenario for Russia can be considered one in which Poland, Hungary and Romania officially accept pieces of the former Western Ukraine into their composition and begin to bear the burden of responsibility for their maintenance and ensuring order there.

    Favorable for Russia will be the unification of Rusyns at the expense of the territories of Poland, Hungary, Romania. How can one call the transfer of Transcarpathia to the Hungarians and Romanians favorable? Won't their faces crack? And in general, why did we start handing out the Kemsky volosts here?
    1. +1
      16 March 2022 15: 36
      Awesome position sequence good

      Favorable for Russia will be the unification of Rusyns at the expense of the territories of Poland, Hungary, Romania. How can one call the transfer of Transcarpathia to the Hungarians and Romanians favorable? Won't their faces crack? And in general, what are we doing here, the Kemsky volosts began to distribute?

      Here our 123 worries about the Kem volosts, which have nothing to do with Russia at all.

      And the article above he ...

      Recreate and develop critical technologies abroad, especially the VPK error. ...
      Today the risk is minimal, tomorrow who knows. The Bolsheviks, creating Ukraine and other union republics, hardly planned what happened.
      Our troops already stood indefinitely in Warsaw and Berlin, and after 1991 in Tbilisi.

      And here our 123 complains that it is impossible to support the Ukrainian industry, because it is "abroad".
      Bravo! the ability to change shoes on the fly level 80! hi Taking off my hat.
      1. 123
        +2
        16 March 2022 15: 44
        Here our 123 worries about the Kem volosts, which have nothing to do with Russia at all.

        What is your relationship with them? Where does the unbridled desire to please European "partners" come from?

        the unification of Rusyns at the expense of the territories of Poland, Hungary, Romania.

        Are you completely dissatisfied? smile

        And here our 123 complains that it is impossible to support the Ukrainian industry, because it is "abroad".
        Bravo!

        Thank you hi Only I was not talking about supporting Ukrainian industry, but about your unbridled desire to distribute critical technologies and develop them abroad. Bulk carriers and bulk carriers instead of destroyers, tractors instead of tanks, that's the recipe for success. But for some reason you want the military-industrial complex to develop critical technologies there.
        1. -1
          17 March 2022 06: 44
          Here our 123 worries about the Kem volosts, which have nothing to do with Russia at all.
          What is your relationship with them? Where does the unbridled desire to please European "partners" come from?

          I defend the interests of my country Russia.

          Only I was not talking about supporting Ukrainian industry, but about your unbridled desire to distribute critical technologies and develop them abroad. Bulk carriers and bulk carriers instead of destroyers, tractors instead of tanks, that's the recipe for success. But for some reason you want the military-industrial complex to develop critical technologies there.

          What exactly and to whom did I offer distribute from critical technologies? The technology for the production of a missile cruiser, which is in Nikolaev, but not in Russia? The technology for the production of a number of aircraft engines that are in Zaporozhye, but not in Russia?
          Dima, or whatever you like, come to your senses and know the limits.
          1. 123
            +3
            17 March 2022 16: 08
            I defend the interests of my country Russia.

            I have no doubt that you are sure of it. The problem is how you understand them.

            A favorable scenario for Russia can be considered one in which Poland, Hungary and Romania officially accept pieces of the former Western Ukraine into their composition and start bear the burden of responsibility for their maintenance and ensuring order there.

            Why is this scenario favorable for Russia?
            Europe will come, will put things in order? Our land is great and plentiful, but there is no order in it? Where else do you intend to invite NATO to restore order and what are you ready to give them?
            Rusyns, you didn’t think to ask if they want the Europeans to assimilate them further?

            What specifically and to whom did I propose to distribute critical technologies? The technology for the production of a missile cruiser, which is in Nikolaev, but not in Russia? The technology for the production of a number of aircraft engines that are in Zaporozhye, but not in Russia?
            Dima, or whatever you like, come to your senses and know the limits.

            1) There are no more technologies in Nikolaev. There are ruins in the shipyards. Over the past 30 years, they have built ... nothing. ZERO.
            2) Technologies for the production of aircraft engines are not available to many countries. Ukraine, like Russia, inherited them from the USSR, but the fact is that for it this production is excessive and does not correspond to the economic and technological potential.
            If Russia is interested in its own aviation and new engines are being developed there, then Ukraine is simply eating away the legacy. They do not have the potential for development. They go to the "agrarian superpower". They practically do not need these engines, they are just lucky that the production was located in that territory at one time.
            If you are going to use imported Soviet-designed engines, then you will inevitably stop developing. This is a dead end.
            If you are not going to develop your own high-tech production, but intend to pay others for it, then you are on the path of a resource-based economy.
            The technologies for "production of a number of aircraft engines" are actually the same. All aircraft engines are created using them.
            The thing is that the development of an engine with specific characteristics is a long and expensive process. There are not so many people on the planet who can create them.
            It is for these reasons that they have not created a replacement in Russia.
            About the framework and coming to my senses, I will leave it without comment. I can't resist.
          2. 0
            17 March 2022 23: 09
            Pan Marzhetsky, you do not care about the interests of Russia. You can't even imagine where Kem is.
            But think about denazification!
  2. 0
    16 March 2022 15: 23
    ... Some concern is caused by the fact that the ex-head of the Ministry of Culture of the Russian Federation Medinsky was put at the head of the Russian delegation for negotiations on such a fundamental issue. Recall that in 2016 Vladimir Rostislavovich personally participated in the installation of a memorial plaque to Marshal Mannerheim in St. Petersburg ...

    He, Medinsky, also fussed in Sevastopol with the installation of the so-called "monuments of reconciliation between the Reds and Whites in the Civil War of 1917-122", although the ALL public of the city - both "white" and "red" - was against it. However, this “conciliatory ugliness” was still piled up on the shore of the Quarantine Bay.
    1. +5
      16 March 2022 15: 36
      Medinsky: "The task of achieving peace on the soil of Ukraine is a peaceful, neutral, friendly state towards us, which is not a NATO foothold, is not an outpost of those forces that want to harm our country"...

      This is some kind of looking glass... Ukraine, as a state, should not exist IN PRINCIPLE!
      Otherwise, all the victims of Donbass and our guys from the Armed Forces will be in vain.
      1. 0
        18 March 2022 13: 14
        here Putin, as a reasonable person, realizing that negotiations, as such, will not be of any use, but they need to be conducted “so that it is,” he sent this official there as the leader, for one thing and a check for him, for lice. something like this...
    2. 0
      16 March 2022 15: 51
      “... Some concern is caused by the fact that the ex-head of the Ministry of Culture of the Russian Federation Medinsky was put at the head of the Russian delegation for negotiations on such a fundamental issue.

      - Yes, really - they found someone to send! - Ordinary deadhead, "sl_yunt_yai" and "bo _tan". - He only with his appearance gives these negotiating dill clowns - a great hope is that you can press on him, put pressure on him and try to dictate to him!
      - It is necessary to send a person "like V.A. Nebenzya" there. - So he would not have "joyfully handled" these clowns there and would not have allowed the entire Russian delegation to do this! - A Medynsky !!!
      - I don’t know - but personally I have more and more - all these endlessly repeated "meetings-negotiations" cause very, very strong anxiety !!!
      - Already there a wording flashed - "Swedish version of neutrality" for Ukraine and some discussion began about what kind of army Ukraine would have, etc., etc. !!! - And S. Lavrov's too "peaceful comments" on this matter - I personally did not like it at all !!! - What is it ??? - The beginning of the "drain" ??? - Only complete surrender and without any counter conditions from the Nazi state !!! - Is Russia going to "reverse"!? - Again the "new Khasavyurt agreement" ???
      - But these negotiations are also being monitored by our Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, who are now laying down their lives for the liberation of Ukraine from the Nazis !!!
      - All these "negotiation somersaults" are very alarming !!!
      1. 0
        17 March 2022 23: 12
        Well written!
        Well, on the other hand, who is the "errand messenger"?
        All this is a waste of time and nothing more
        PS: it's time for Western (or Bandera) friends to master the Cyrillic alphabet. Their nicknames betray the breed
  3. +2
    16 March 2022 17: 22
    I’ll say it offended or not, but I don’t understand who gathered such a stupid caudle to solve such important matters? Where are the military? in the backs of our guys that they are risking their lives to clean out this black evil spirits, and the people of Donbass, like the Russians, if they leave this power and make concessions. I don’t understand these negotiations at all, ultimatums must be set there and I will repeat very harshly.
    1. 0
      16 March 2022 19: 33
      In offense, I will say or not, but I don’t understand who brought together such a stupid Caudle to solve such important matters?

      You yourself have answered.
      Serious matters are not discussed by such a composition, a purely smoke screen of "desires, discussions, the search for common ground" and other crap.
      The only real thing they can discuss is the exchange of prisoners of war.
      1. 0
        17 March 2022 23: 17
        They are not authorized to discuss this issue.
  4. +1
    16 March 2022 17: 25
    The participation of Poland and its attempt to involve the skins of an unkilled NATO bear in the sharing of the skins of an unkilled bear of NATO speaks of the desire of Poland itself to receive ALL Western Ukraine. Looks like there's going to be a fight. And for now, Romania is silent. And it also sharpens its teeth on Northern Bukovina. It would not hurt Russia to remind those presumptuous of the Helsinki Conference on Security and Cooperation in Europe in 1975 and the borders of the Ukrainian SSR states (not present-day Ukraine) fixed on it as an integral part of the USSR, Poland Hungary, Romania.
    1. +3
      16 March 2022 18: 23
      The participation of Poland and its attempt to involve the skins of an unkilled NATO bear in the sharing of the skins of an unkilled bear of NATO speaks of the desire of Poland itself to receive ALL Western Ukraine. Looks like there's going to be a fight.

      It looks like it is, about 30 percent of the RF Armed Forces are involved in the operation in Ukraine. The main forces are at a low start . We are clearly preparing for something more serious.
  5. +5
    16 March 2022 17: 31
    Having paid such a price for the liberation of Ukraine from the Nazi and Bandera evil spirits, Russia has every right to return the entire former Ukraine under its jurisdiction, renaming it Novorossia and Little Russia, return its military units and restore the country's economy and Russian education in Russian. No rejection of the territories of Hungary and Poland: we do not need NATO bases near Russia! NO negotiations with clowns and killers of Donbass.
  6. -3
    16 March 2022 18: 34
    Personally, I'm really against solving problems by force. Although in extreme cases it is possible. In our case, this is the option when someone had to hang on to someone .. But unfortunately, as I see it, the RF Armed Forces were not able to fully do what was expected in the early days and the topic of negotiations began. And the further the topic goes, the more it is clear that everything is coming to a compromise. On the one hand, this may stop the massacre, but on the other hand, in general, everything will remain as it was, with some deviations. On the one hand, this is unpleasant, but on the other hand, this is a very poor peace, which, however, will not last long anyway. We all went through this in Chechnya.
    1. -1
      16 March 2022 19: 19
      In our case, this is the option when someone had to hang on to someone .. But unfortunately, as I see it, the RF Armed Forces were not able to fully do what was expected in the early days and the topic of negotiations began. And the further the topic goes, the more it is clear that everything is coming to a compromise.

      "Nelohu" with his clown environment are actively hanging noodles on their ears.

      Well, and you along the way, if you are ready to believe in any negotiations without capitulation and denationalization of Ukraine within its current borders.
      1. -1
        17 March 2022 14: 57
        nothing is given to him. He has a clear instruction to draw Russia into a long and bloody war with partisans and terrorist attacks. The US external economic field will be cleaned up. True, the United States was a bit broken off and failed to do it quickly, but still, little by little, they will squeeze it out. And it will soon become difficult for Russia to wage war in such a mode that Russia is now on. If in the command environment at least the Armed Forces of Ukraine do not begin to understand that this war will not bring anything good to Ukraine, however, like Russia, they will not even try to take responsibility and end this massacre, it will be bad for everyone ... Only the United States will rejoice and jump. Europe will also rake off no small problems ..
        1. +1
          18 March 2022 21: 07
          It will be hard to partisan with the current anti-terror technologies, even with the support of part of the population.

          Only the United States will rejoice and jump.

          I agree, in fact they are the only beneficiaries and the main instigators of this batch.

          Europe will also rake off no small problems ..

          That's who I definitely don't feel sorry for, because these ...... narrow-minded.
          Europe, represented by the EU, already has a pitiful appearance and lack of clear prospects.

          Green energy is in her ass .. wink
          1. -1
            19 March 2022 18: 28
            This is all true, only even now partisanship brings big problems for the RF Armed Forces. It also requires the diversion of not small forces to neutralize such tricks.
            But the biggest problem is that the authorities of the Russian Federation still do not give the population of Ukraine loyal to the Russians a chance to clean up the Nazi cluster. It makes no sense to get involved if the Russians immediately said that they would leave. And these will be back...
  7. 0
    16 March 2022 18: 55
    Who deserved gifts from Russia?
  8. 0
    16 March 2022 19: 35
    RF will not provide anyone with anything. the territory of Ukraine is not divisible, and whoever turns up will have to deal with the morph of the rf. If you don't understand, come on in and we'll explain.
  9. 0
    16 March 2022 19: 42
    Vladimir Rostislavovich Medinsky was born on July 18, 1970 in the city of Smela, Cherkasy region, Ukrainian SSR. His father, Rostislav Medinsky (born 1937), served in the USSR Ministry of Defense, a retired colonel, now an adviser to the chairman of the Russian Military Historical Society. Mother is a pediatrician. In the early 1980s, the family moved to Moscow.

    In 1992, Vladimir Medinsky graduated with honors from the Faculty of International Journalism of the Moscow State Institute of International Relations (MGIMO) of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Russia, in 1994 - postgraduate studies at MGIMO.

    Doctor of Political Sciences. In 2000, at the Russian Academy of Public Administration under the President of the Russian Federation, he defended his thesis on "Theoretical and Methodological Problems of Forming a Strategy for Russia's Foreign Policy in the Conditions of the Formation of the Global Information Space."
  10. -1
    17 March 2022 01: 58
    Are the beggars ready to join an even more impoverished squalor? Flag in hand, drum around neck, feather in back - let them dare. laughing
  11. 0
    17 March 2022 06: 56
    basically, this is how things are and negotiations are going on only for show. The Americans themselves asked to break through in the west of Ukraine and form a no-fly zone only in a certain part of western Ukraine. This end is waiting for the people who forget the past and their historical roots and this is the best example for Ukrainians.
  12. 0
    17 March 2022 07: 01
    From a dead donkey, ears to them, and not to Western Ukraine!!!... Everything will be attached to the Russian Federation!!!...
  13. 0
    17 March 2022 07: 20
    Why is it all!
  14. 0
    17 March 2022 20: 23
    All Ukraine is earned by Russian blood. Not an inch will fall to any Poles, Hungarians and Romanians.
  15. 0
    17 March 2022 23: 06
    It is not clear why Bukovina is historically Romania??? These are the lands of Moldova! Half of Romania is the land of the Grand Duchy of Moldavia!
  16. 0
    18 March 2022 07: 13
    As a result of the Second World War, Japan was forbidden to have its own army and navy. Only the Self-Defense Forces, extremely limited in their technical capabilities. And what do they represent now, I hesitate to ask? Isn't that what the drug clown means when he talks about some kind of "self-defense"? And judging by the fact that these "negotiations" (or rather, "negotiations") are led by Medinsky, a very murky and slippery person, nothing good can be expected from them. And if the Nazis negotiate a "truce" or at least a meager concession, this will be the finish line. For Putin and his entourage. He will simply split the country in two. Probably, this is what those who advise this drug addict clown are trying to achieve ...
  17. 0
    18 March 2022 11: 59
    Most likely, they will limit themselves to the creation of "security zones" in Western Ukraine. So Poland, Hungary and Romania will be able to take control of their historical territories. And a lot will depend on how Warsaw, Budapest and Bucharest proceed.

    I already wrote about this some time ago. And the reasons why the Poles defend their historical enemies so fiercely are understandable. Clean up, under the banner of protection from the damned Russians, the civilized part of the remnants of Ukraine. In 1918, Russia's allies in the Entente did exactly the same thing by sending troops. The sacred goal is to protect from the Germans. We called these events the intervention. To exercise the right of owners under the laws of restitution. 700 thousand Polish owners on the territory of Western Ukraine. And this will be ACTUALLY an allied action to us, although it will be officially proclaimed as an act of protection from us. There will be no other chance for the Westernizers of the fraternal Warsaw Pact countries. Let the Poles deal with their merciless enemies-Bandera's merciless methods. They'll get away with it, we wouldn't be forgiven.
  18. 0
    19 March 2022 21: 47
    The desire to strengthen the states hostile to us by transferring the western regions of Ukraine to them is suspicious. Shish im. Our army is fighting and this means that the entire territory of the country should be under the control of the Russian Federation