NATO may begin to covertly use its combat aircraft in the skies over Ukraine


Under the guise of MiG-29 multi-role fighters, which Poland planned to transfer to help the Ukrainian armed forces, modern Western combat aircraft may begin to operate in the sky over Ukraine.


The media previously reported on the possible transfer of Polish MiG-29s to Ukraine. However, Warsaw is avoiding sending its planes to Ukraine in every possible way, as it fears being involved in hostilities against Russia and unleashing a big war in Europe. At the same time, Washington insists on the need to provide such military support from Poland - US Secretary of State Anthony Blinken even promised to provide the Poles with other aircraft, such as the F-16, in exchange for the MiGs.

At the same time, Poland has very outdated fighters of the 9-12 modification, produced back in the 80s of the last century. The range of such aircraft does not exceed 300 km, and the range of the R-27 missiles they use is several times inferior to that of modern Russian counterparts.

The Polish armed forces have about two dozen such MiGs, which, if deployed against Russian troops, will be destroyed even faster than Ukrainian Air Force aircraft. In fact, such "help" is absurd and ineffective. All this suggests the possible appearance of NATO aviation in the sky over Ukraine. After all, on the radar, all fighters are displayed the same way, and visual contact is necessary to identify the aircraft. Operating at high altitudes, such contact is practically excluded, while NATO aircraft will be able to use long-range air-to-air missiles against Russian cruise missiles and airborne aircraft.
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  1. Oleg_5 Offline Oleg_5
    Oleg_5 (Oleg) 9 March 2022 16: 25
    +6
    After all, on the radar, all fighters are displayed the same way, and visual contact is necessary to identify the aircraft.

    What the hell?! The "friend/foe" system no longer works???
    1. Luis Betton Offline Luis Betton
      Luis Betton (Vladimir) 9 March 2022 16: 32
      0
      What kind of "friend or foe" if the MIG-29 is NATO? Yes, and the Americans are not fools with the included transponders to fly.
      1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
        Just a cat (Bayun) 9 March 2022 16: 35
        +4
        no matter how Ukrainians themselves, like Romanians, "ground" them ...
      2. Oleg_5 Offline Oleg_5
        Oleg_5 (Oleg) 9 March 2022 16: 43
        -1
        The "friend/foe" system excludes launches against OWN aircraft. Next - continue? ....
        1. Kristallovich Offline Kristallovich
          Kristallovich (Ruslan) 9 March 2022 19: 09
          +1
          What does it have to do with our own pancake, if there is a choice between Ukrainian and NATO aircraft? What is "friend or foe"? They are both strangers!
          1. Oleg_5 Offline Oleg_5
            Oleg_5 (Oleg) 9 March 2022 19: 20
            +6
            That's what both. Ukrainian shoot down without hesitation. Accordingly, the same awaits NATO.
            What's the problem then?! What is the visual identification?
            It is only necessary to identify the airfield from where this miracle will fly. For targeting...
            1. Kristallovich Offline Kristallovich
              Kristallovich (Ruslan) 9 March 2022 19: 33
              -10
              Accordingly, the same awaits NATO.

              I would not be so categorical. International law allows the US to intervene based on an official request from Kyiv. As we, for example, did in Syria. And I doubt very much that we will shoot down American planes. As long as they don't hit ours, of course, but they won't. However, the very fact of the presence of NATO aviation in the sky of Ukraine will actually limit our air defense capabilities. As written in the news - on the radar, all aircraft look the same. Yes, this is a provocation on the part of the United States, but these are Americans, provoking is in their blood.
              1. Oleg_5 Offline Oleg_5
                Oleg_5 (Oleg) 9 March 2022 19: 39
                +13
                They were warned. That the consequences of intervention would be sad. For all.
                And after that, both the states and NATO declared that "no, no, without us."
                Will anyone risk a provocation?
                Even the stubborn Poles realized that it was not worth doing this ...
                1. Kristallovich Offline Kristallovich
                  Kristallovich (Ruslan) 9 March 2022 19: 41
                  -14
                  A warning is a warning, but what will happen in practice is the question. I generally keep quiet about the nuclear club, no one will wave it. Let's see, in general.
                  1. Avarron Offline Avarron
                    Avarron (Sergei) 9 March 2022 19: 52
                    +7
                    And Putin, for the sake of a red word, transferred the containment forces to a special regime of service?
                    1. Kristallovich Offline Kristallovich
                      Kristallovich (Ruslan) 9 March 2022 20: 22
                      -12
                      Where is the connection between NATO air power and deterrence forces? Or are you one of those who believe in a nuclear strike on Washington in the event of some kind of local provocation?
                      1. Avarron Offline Avarron
                        Avarron (Sergei) 10 March 2022 08: 24
                        +2
                        Many did not believe that Putin would send troops to Ukraine either. But as practice shows, Putin first warns, then warns again, then someone chews on a tie, and someone distributes machine guns to idlers.
                      2. Kristallovich Offline Kristallovich
                        Kristallovich (Ruslan) 10 March 2022 09: 06
                        -3
                        Many did not believe that Putin would send troops to Ukraine either.

                        I was one of those who, on the contrary, wrote about the imminent start of the operation. You don't need to speak for me.
                      3. Avarron Offline Avarron
                        Avarron (Sergei) 10 March 2022 13: 25
                        +2
                        Who spoke for you? I have no idea what's in your head. I spoke after the fact that many did not believe Putin's words and expected new concerns.
                        It is strange, of course, that the world treated the person who unwound the Ichkerians in Chechnya and ISIS in Syria in this way. He has a deceptively good-natured appearance.
                        If he sees fit, he will bang the US with a nuclear baton and not even wince. For starters, somewhere in the desert in Nevada. If they don’t understand, then it’s where it’s needed, it will go there, it won’t rust after him, he has lived, life is coming to an end and it’s coming to an end according to biological laws, what should he lose.
          2. Avarron Offline Avarron
            Avarron (Sergei) 9 March 2022 19: 51
            0
            Provoke, but don't expose your exceptional asses.
  2. Vovan Petrov Offline Vovan Petrov
    Vovan Petrov 9 March 2022 16: 59
    +6
    Switched off means the enemy, it is necessary to shoot down and no matter who is sitting inside.
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  • Piramidon Offline Piramidon
    Piramidon (Stepan) 10 March 2022 10: 49
    -2
    Quote: Oleg_5
    What the hell?! The "friend/foe" system no longer works???

    And how will it help to distinguish a Ukrainian plane from a NATO one? after all, it is a question of using NATO aviation under the guise of Ukrainian aviation from Polish airfields.
  • Ingvar7 Offline Ingvar7
    Ingvar7 (Ingvar) 10 March 2022 13: 28
    0
    It's not about that ...
  • Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 9 March 2022 16: 41
    +4
    Under the guise of multipurpose MiG-29 fighters ... modern Western combat aircraft can begin to operate.

    Yes Yes. Their planes will not be able to shoot down. Visual contact is not possible. No one can determine the technical characteristics of the weapons used either. They simply do not know how to scare the reader.
  • LLIkunep Offline LLIkunep
    LLIkunep (Alexey) 9 March 2022 16: 43
    +5
    Those. it is assumed that NATO aircraft will not fall? And it will be impossible to identify them from the wreckage? And it will also be impossible to draw the appropriate conclusions with all the ensuing consequences? Oh well...
  • Bulanov Offline Bulanov
    Bulanov (Vladimir) 9 March 2022 16: 44
    -1
    Then a nuclear war will begin. The old Biden, apparently, is already on the drum, while others still want to live.
  • svoroponov Offline svoroponov
    svoroponov (Vyacheslav) 9 March 2022 17: 08
    +3
    ........ at the same time, NATO aviation will be able to use long-range air-to-air missiles against Russian cruise missiles and VKS aircraft .........
    Well, it will become clear very, very quickly. Long-range missiles are also not invisible. Yes, and according to the behavior of the mark and the maneuvers of the target on the locator screen, it can also be identified, these are Ukrainians or NATO. And where they fly from and from whom they will see immediately. Russian stations are actually scanning the whole of Europe down to the English Channel. Well, then, let them blame themselves.
  • 123 Offline 123
    123 (123) 9 March 2022 17: 10
    +9
    All this suggests the possible appearance of NATO aviation in the sky over Ukraine. After all, all fighters are displayed on the radar in the same way, and visual contact is necessary to identify the aircraft. Operating at high altitudes, such contact is practically excluded, while NATO aircraft will be able to use long-range air-to-air missiles against Russian cruise missiles and airborne aircraft.

    All this suggests that someone has a too rich imagination, perhaps some influence of psychotropic substances is affecting. repeat
    As far as I understand, with the start of the special operation, the age of the fighter in the Ukrainian sky is not long, there are practically none left. And then there are "unidentified" fighters. What will they do when they start to shoot down? sad
    On the ground, problems with "visual contact" are not expected request , you can feel the wreckage with your hands if you wish yes
    1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
      Just a cat (Bayun) 9 March 2022 17: 18
      0
      it all depends on the specific goal of Russia and the "partners" in Ukraine. We won't know the truth soon. after the last statement by Zakharova, the witnesses of the sect "Ukrainian also wants to eat" will go out for gravy in bloomers. and you can feel the khokhlushka on the track.
    2. isofat Offline isofat
      isofat (isofat) 9 March 2022 18: 10
      0
      NATO is cunning, let everyone know about it! smile
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  • DVF Offline DVF
    DVF (Denis) 9 March 2022 17: 59
    +1
    Therefore, the MiG 31 was involved, it is practically impossible to get it, but they can do anything.
  • Indifferent Offline Indifferent
    Indifferent 9 March 2022 18: 27
    +2
    I don't understand how this is possible? Now all of Ukraine is under the hood. Complete control of the airspace. And suddenly a "miracle" crawls out and fires a long-range missile. Our planes don't fly one at a time. Well, one will be knocked down and immediately the rest have a question - where did it come from! Are our pilots and flight gunners on the radar stations really the same fools as in NATO! I think there will be two notes of protest at once. The ambassador of the country from where it took off and along the airfield, so that it was not common! War however. Immediately the arrogance will fly off and the desire to continue to use such aircraft. Even if the whole group is knocked down, it will raise too many questions. Where did the planes come from? They will figure it out and the answer will be very tough! Putin has already promised this. I wouldn't be surprised if nuclear!
    1. Sergey Pavlenko Offline Sergey Pavlenko
      Sergey Pavlenko (Sergey Pavlenko) 9 March 2022 18: 32
      +1
      I completely agree! Moreover, we need a reason to strike at positional areas in Poland and Romania, where NATO launchers are located .....
  • Sergey Pavlenko Offline Sergey Pavlenko
    Sergey Pavlenko (Sergey Pavlenko) 9 March 2022 18: 30
    +1
    Yes, let them use it ... but it’s only desirable to shoot them down not over the territory of the independent, but in such a way that they would fall on the same Poland ... let their inhabitants feel all the delights of helping Ukraine ...
  • Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 9 March 2022 18: 31
    -9
    And we will respond, then we will be able to secretly use Chinese aviation)))) and weapons.)))
    All sorts of flying radars, stealths, Li-Si-Tsin pilots ...
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  • kriten Offline kriten
    kriten (Vladimir) 9 March 2022 20: 27
    +1
    When preparing for a war in Europe, NATO wants to show that Russia does not provide anything with its air defense. They heard about them, but they did not show themselves anywhere. I.e. debunk m\f.
  • gorskova.ir Offline gorskova.ir
    gorskova.ir (Irina Gorskova) 9 March 2022 22: 07
    0
    So the owner forbade them. Yes, "secretly" is unlikely to be used. And the United States has already gone astray with biolaboratories to issue such commands.
  • shinobi Offline shinobi
    shinobi (Yuri) 9 March 2022 22: 21
    0
    What a heresy! Over-the-horizon radars monitor the region of Ukraine in real time at 2000-2500 km in depth. There has been nothing "sudden" for a long time. It is not necessary to find out what took off, the main thing is where and where it flies.
  • dub0vitsky Offline dub0vitsky
    dub0vitsky (Victor) 10 March 2022 13: 03
    0
    Quote: Oleg_5
    After all, on the radar, all fighters are displayed the same way, and visual contact is necessary to identify the aircraft.

    What the hell?! The "friend/foe" system no longer works???

    The identification system does not have to work at all. But the mark of one's own differs from someone else's with a simple question - OUR IN THE SKY? If the answer is no, then there is a stranger in the sky. Military dispatchers have access to civilians, and vice versa. The mark on the locator screen appears long before being over our territory. And there's plenty of time to make inquiries.
  • Ingvar7 Offline Ingvar7
    Ingvar7 (Ingvar) 10 March 2022 13: 29
    0
    Who is the author??
  • kriten Offline kriten
    kriten (Vladimir) 10 March 2022 16: 25
    -3
    It is a pity that Russia does not have powerful air defense. Everything is only in the reports to the President.
  • zzdimk Offline zzdimk
    zzdimk 11 March 2022 16: 19
    +1
    Much of the secret becomes clear on the radar of the s400. Not a panacea, but treats preventively.
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  • ZAlexanderZ Offline ZAlexanderZ
    ZAlexanderZ (Alexander Shchetinkin) 15 March 2022 18: 11
    0
    I would like to see this pilot. Who can allegedly be sent to where Russian aviation and air defense are in charge. Fly to where the probability of being shot down is 90 percent. It has to be either a tough stoner or a Japanese kamikaze. There are clearly no such people in NATO.
    As there are no commanders who will send him there. It's like lighting up and throwing matches into a gas tank. They have a lot to say in public. Weak countries can bomb with impunity. They can incite all sorts of Georgians and Ukrainians. But to start an open conflict with such a powerful country and army ......... I repeat, but NATO does not have ideological kamikazes.
  • Lucky beggar Offline Lucky beggar
    Lucky beggar (Alexey) 16 March 2022 19: 37
    0
    All this suggests the possible appearance of NATO aviation in the sky over Ukraine. After all, on the radar, all fighters are displayed the same way ...

    And me this