The main aircraft manufacturing region supported Russia's transition to Soviet-designed liners


And a little more about predictions that tend to come true. March 1 on the "Reporter" came out publication titled "Having lost Airbus and Boeing, Russia will have to transfer to Soviet aircraft." This idea was met with hostility by some of our readers as allegedly untenable, but a few days later it was warmly supported at the level of the head of the Republic of Tatarstan, where the well-known aircraft manufacturing is located. Let's see what more knowledgeable people have to say about this.


As a response to the beginning of the military operation to denazify and demilitarize Ukraine, the world's largest aircraft corporations Boeing and Airbus on March 2 refused to service existing and sell new aircraft to Russia. At their request, by March 26, 2022, all foreign-made airliners that are on lease must be returned. It is estimated that out of a total fleet of 980 aircraft, 531 will have to be returned, "our" 130 short-haul Superjet 100s will remain, and all the rest will be deprived of appropriate maintenance and will not be able to fly for a long time. This is a national catastrophe, if you call a spade a spade.

What, in turn, did we propose? For a period of long and difficult import substitution of a large number of foreign-made components used in the Superjet 100 and MS-21 liners, to expand the production of Soviet-designed passenger aircraft - medium-haul Tu-204/214 and long-haul Il-96-400. This idea, sound in all respects, caused confusion and vacillation in the camp of those who consider the "designers" of the Superjet 100 and MS-21 to have no alternative and the only right decision.

But life very quickly put everything in its place, and the head of Tatarstan, Rustam Minnikhanov, who simultaneously holds the post of chairman of the board of directors of Tupolev, whose plant is located in Kazan, spoke in favor of reviving the production of the widest range of Soviet liners. About the pros and cons of this step рассказал Tatarstan business resource "BUSINESS Online". We will retell in general terms the main theses that echo our own conclusions.

What's wrong with Superjet 100 and MS-21


To begin with, it is necessary to mention what confuses colleagues from Tatarstan in the Superjet 100 and MS-21 projects. Of course, this is a high proportion of imported components, which have not yet been completely replaced, which is a huge problem in the context of Western sanctions. The short-haul Superjet 100 would be impossible to produce without French parts for the power plant. An alternative to it, the domestic PD-8 engine will appear at best only after 5 years.

Not everything is clear with the MS-21, the problem of which may be excessive innovation. It will be the world's first narrow-body aircraft with a fully composite wing. It is not known what the real experience of its commercial operation will be, especially considering that the imported composite turned out to be heavier than what was envisaged by the project. Like the Superjet 100, the MS-21 is heavily dependent on foreign microelectronics and is still being assembled in small batches from stockpiles.

Let's say right away that no one, of course, offers to give up on these two aircraft, on which a huge amount of budget money has been spent. They need to be brought to mind, but before the start of mass production, at least another 5 years will pass, and the pace and volume will increase very slowly. It will be a rather long story, but our airliners are needed now, and the more the better. And now we will tell you what they think about the prospects for the revival of Soviet aircraft in Tatarstan.

Tu-204 / 214


Tu-204/214 is a direct analogue of the MS-21, capable of carrying from 164 to 215 passengers over a distance of 4200 to 5920 km. Aircraft of this family, unlike the MS-21, have long had all the necessary international certificates that allow them to fly around the world. Its only drawback is the use of the PS-90A engine, which is slightly noisier than the American, European and Russian PD-14, and also consumes about 10% more fuel.

What was important before February 24, 2022, after March 2 lost its fundamental importance. Now the European and American skies are closed for Russian airlines, and our gigantic country may be left without air transportation altogether. Tariffs for socially significant routes operated by Tu-204/214 will have to be subsidized by the state. Fortunately, we have our own oil and kerosene.

Good news lies in the fact that this medium-haul liner can be assembled in parallel on two sites. The Tu-204 was previously assembled in Ulyanovsk, and its modification Tu-214 was assembled in Kazan. All components, avionics and engines are their own, domestic. The entire component base has been preserved; this aircraft is still produced in a small series in special modifications. You can start assembling them with old PD-90A engines, but at the same time develop a version with a modern PD-14 designed for the MS-21. When it goes into production as well, the country will be able to quite quickly replace the European and American medium-haul liners selected from us, which are produced at three sites at once.

Tu-334 and Tu-343


The story of the Tu-334, which was “eaten” by the liberals in the government for the sake of the “designer” of the Superjet 100, is even sadder than that of Romeo and Juliet. A fully prepared and certified aircraft, by the way, as unified as possible in terms of components with the Tu-204, was forgotten and shelved. The question of the possibility of resuming its production instead of the problematic Superjet 100 was periodically raised, but this idea was immediately anathema in the media.

Perhaps the only sound counterargument after 2014 was that the Tu-334 was critically dependent on the supply of D-436 power plants from Ukraine. However, let's see how things go on with the Russian military in the Zaporozhye region. God knows, maybe there will be some real options.

Tu-324 is another very interesting development, which has not yet been given a chance to be realized. This is the first aircraft in Russia designed entirely digitally by order of the government of Tatarstan. The short-haul turbojet liner was designed to carry 50 passengers. The main opponents of this promising project were at one time Deputy Prime Minister Boris Nemtsov and Prime Minister Mikhail Kasyanov, who actually acted as lobbyists for the Ukrainian An-47. After 2014, the main obstacle to the revival of the Tu-324 was the dependence on cooperation with Ukrainian enterprises for the AI-22 power plant. We are watching reports from Ukraine, we are waiting.

Separately, we note that the head of Tatarstan, Minnikhanov, defends the interests of not only Tupolev, which he heads, but also other domestic aircraft manufacturing enterprises. So, he advocates the start of commercial production of the wide-body long-haul Il-96-400, which, in turn, we also proposed.

Such are forecasts and analytics.
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  1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 7 March 2022 15: 46
    +3
    The author, as always, is in a hurry.
    I, as a person who did not take part in the dispute, that is, a neutral person, see this with all obviousness.

    out of a total fleet of 980 aircraft, 531 will have to be returned, "our" 130 short-haul Superjet 100s will remain, and all the rest will be deprived of appropriate maintenance and will not be able to fly for a long time. This is a national catastrophe, if you call a spade a spade.

    It is not yet known whether the return of 531 aircraft will be. The author says it will. I think not. Let's see who's right.

    in favor of the revival of the production of the widest range of Soviet liners, the head of Tatarstan, Rustam Minnikhanov, who simultaneously holds the post of chairman of the board of directors of Tupolev, whose plant is located in Kazan, spoke out.

    Oh yeah. This is a "significant factor". It will only be necessary to remind that the decision will be made not by the interested person R. Minnikhanov, but by completely different people. What kind of aircraft will be produced, the author did not indicate in his forecast. Here I will not argue. Because I don't know much about aircraft.
    Panic words about a national catastrophe I will leave on the conscience of the author. He has already "predicted" several dozen catastrophes. And I'm glad none of his predictions came true.

    It is quite possible that in six months or a year the situation will change and Airbus and Boeing will resume the struggle for the Russian-Belarusian-Ukrainian market.

    The author is right that it is necessary to produce his aircraft and as much as possible in the largest range.
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 7 March 2022 16: 08
      -7
      Panic words about a national catastrophe I will leave on the conscience of the author. He has already "predicted" several dozen catastrophes. And I'm glad none of his predictions came true.

      How do you and others like you annoy me. An overgrown bababall incapable of behaving like an adult. They poke you in the obvious several times in a row, like a naughty dog ​​in the face, but this does not give a result and, as I now completely understand, cannot give.
      That's enough, I basically stop participating in discussions. I won't even read anymore. Crap in the comments as much as you want. Let the moderators or admins deal with you at their discretion. Or they don't understand. You don't deserve my attention and my time. I'll spend it on better things.
      I wish you and you characters like you all what you deserve. hi
      1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 7 March 2022 16: 18
        +3
        I won't even read anymore.

        I don't know how to live on. There is no point in living now. And suicide is a sin.
      2. Old Skeptic Offline Old Skeptic
        Old Skeptic (Old Skeptic) 7 March 2022 16: 28
        +8
        Mr Marzhecki, don't be so nervous. No one says that there is no constructiveness in your articles, but you must admit: you also predicted quite a few catastrophes, and not one of them was such.
        I would advise you: adjust the style of the articles a little, reduce the panic, and try to look at problems and solutions from different angles.

        In this article, I fully share your point of view. I will even say more, on domestic Russian flights it is necessary to raise more economical turboprop projects - the price of a ticket for our country is more important than sound ecology.
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      4. alexneg13 Offline alexneg13
        alexneg13 (Alexander) 7 March 2022 17: 13
        +6
        The author does not write nonsense about the MS-21. My son works as an aircraft designer in Irkut. Completely imported MC-21-310, and American engines, only MC-21-300. As for the composite wing, just the opposite. It became easier with domestic composites. The delay was in Western certification, and now this certification does not care, although he received this "paper" from the West at the last moment. MS-21 assembly shop in full combat readiness. The tests are over and now nothing holds. If I'm not mistaken, in my opinion, six fuselages are being assembled.
        1. Rusa Offline Rusa
          Rusa 8 March 2022 11: 08
          +1
          .. MS-21 assembly shop in full combat readiness

          Well, if so. But the author is right, one does not interfere with the other,
          let them produce other aircraft. The main thing is faster. It is also necessary to quickly establish the production of domestic components for the Superjet-100, passing a law on the abolition of Western patents due to sanctions.
          1. wolf46 Offline wolf46
            wolf46 8 March 2022 13: 36
            0
            1) Tu-334, Tu-324 - the past, the history of the domestic aircraft industry; you can easily forget about them. The Superjet is updating flight records in individual airlines, and warehouses of spare parts are being created. For example, 4 years ago - on the basis of the Don airport "Platov" using a subsidy.
            2) Tu-204 is the Aviastar-SP plant (Ulyanovsk), which cannot cope with the production of Il-476. Tu-214 - for example, in Kazan they will establish their serial production. BUT the question is who pays for the service? While maintaining/tightening sanctions Chinese competitor C919 will go to domestic airlines before the Russian MS-21.
            3) The commercial fate of the Il-96-400 is connected with the development of the PD-35 engine and the joint Chinese-Russian project CR929.
            1. Rusa Offline Rusa
              Rusa 9 March 2022 08: 44
              0
              D. Manturov said that the main goal for the Russian aircraft industry is now becoming the most complete import substitution of all systems and units, including the replacement of the engine for the SSJ-100 with the Russian PD-8.
              The actions of the Russian government coincided with my opinion and with what the author wrote about.
      5. orange Offline orange
        orange (ororpore) 7 March 2022 21: 22
        0
        They will return to the mass production of obsolete Tu-204s. What next, when the situation returns to normal and the Westerners will give up in 2-3 years, lifting the ban on flights and the operation of their aircraft? Wasted time, wasted resources taken away from the advancement of MS-21! What to do with the built 20-30 Tu-204 aircraft? Companies don’t take them, don’t the military need so much?
        1. Rusa Offline Rusa
          Rusa 8 March 2022 11: 22
          0
          And, the military reported to you whether they need them. )
          In the USSR there were an order of magnitude more aircraft and everyone
          there was a place, including milking sales for export.
      6. Navigator Online Navigator
        Navigator (Andrei) 7 March 2022 21: 23
        +1
        as our servants of the Lord in the Russian Orthodox Church say - pride is the most serious sin of man
      7. alexey alexeyev_2 (Alexey Alekseev) 9 March 2022 14: 23
        -1
        Well everything!! I read it again. I re-read it. There was a desire to get drunk. In your presentation, you can’t even see a gap .. Nobody will pick up planes from us .. Let’s bet. If they don’t take it on April XNUMX, you will eat your article. laughing
    2. wolf46 Offline wolf46
      wolf46 7 March 2022 21: 06
      +1
      Quote: Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
      It is not yet known whether the return of 531 aircraft will be. The author says it will. I think not. Let's see who's right.

      It will only be necessary to remind that the decision will be made not by the interested person R. Minnikhanov, but by completely different people.

      Panic words about a national catastrophe I will leave on the conscience of the author.
      It is quite possible that in six months or a year the situation will change and Airbus and Boeing will resume their struggle for the Russian-Belarusian-Ukrainian market.

      Agency "Cirium" reports:

      Today, Russian carriers operate about 980 passenger liners: 515 are leased from foreign owners, 262 are Russian-owned, and 203 are Russian-owned. 750 of them are Boeing, Airbus, and Embraer and Bombardier (to a lesser extent).

      1) Definitely no one abroad needs more than 500 aircraft at a time, requiring inspection and maintenance.
      2) Typical lobbying. According to BUSINESS Online, the long-standing dream of the leadership of the Republic of Tatarstan is to get a serial civilian product (Tu-214, Tu-334, Tu-324) for the Kazan Aviation Plant.
      3) Cancellation of international flights, the presence of their own technical centers (+ warehouses of spare parts) from airlines will give a temporary respite. A national catastrophe is 3/4 of the fleet, represented by foreign-made aircraft.
  2. jekasimf Offline jekasimf
    jekasimf (jekasimf) 7 March 2022 15: 52
    +2
    Ahem. But what, on the territory of Russia there was no stock of components for the repair of Boygs and Buses? I think that will be enough for a while. And then our "partners" themselves will want to earn money, and not close factories or lines for the production of components , lay off workers.
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 7 March 2022 16: 02
      0
      Quote: jekasimf
      Ahem. And what, on the territory of Russia there was no stock of components for the repair of Boygs and Buses?

      Why would? They deliver as needed. The service is as follows: within a day delivery of components to anywhere in the world.
      1. alexneg13 Offline alexneg13
        alexneg13 (Alexander) 7 March 2022 17: 15
        +1
        Quote: Marzhetsky
        The service is as follows: within a day delivery of components to anywhere in the world.

        AHA! On a rocket ... Conveniently and quickly for spare parts to the Boeing factory.
        1. Alexfly Offline Alexfly
          Alexfly (Alexander) 9 March 2022 14: 17
          -1
          a warehouse for minor repairs exists always and everywhere, for more serious delivery as requested in 48 hours to anywhere in the world, now this rule will not apply ...
    2. wolf46 Offline wolf46
      wolf46 7 March 2022 19: 49
      +2
      Leading airlines have their own certified organizations that can service aircraft: A-Technics (part of the Aeroflot Group), S7 Technics (part of the S7 Group), TS Technic (Utair), ATC Ural Airlines Technics. The cancellation of international flights is a kind of compromise between foreign lessors and Russian airlines.
  3. kriten Offline kriten
    kriten (Vladimir) 7 March 2022 16: 23
    -5
    The aircraft industry was killed by Putin with the help of his friends, accomplices like Gref, who in Russia only see the opportunity to make money.
    1. alexneg13 Offline alexneg13
      alexneg13 (Alexander) 7 March 2022 17: 37
      +8
      Yeltsin killed, and Putin restored. Don't write nonsense. The only plant that seems to be sabotaging is Taganrog. On the recommendation of the UAC, the BE-200 assembly was transferred from the Irkut Plant to Taganrog. So these brakes have not lifted a single side since then. This is where you need to launch the TFR and put things in order. The people of Irkutsk are very sorry that this samul was taken away from them - this is their child. I remember the first and subsequent test flights: I watched them in Irkutsk - 2. It was lifted into the air by selling two Su-27s (sparks) to China. The first two Su-27s aboard the Ruslan crashed a block away from my work at the time. There was a diversion - a short circuit in the chassis system, which led to such a tragedy when all 4 engines, seemingly completely independent, failed. And that was under Yeltsin.
    2. Alexfly Offline Alexfly
      Alexfly (Alexander) 9 March 2022 14: 18
      -1
      That's right about Gref, the cemetery train stretches behind him
  4. DPN Offline DPN
    DPN (DPN) 7 March 2022 16: 45
    +2
    On the territory, it’s a pity for the former USSR, Russian planes are required to fly, and then the map will fall. Otherwise, we’ll be tormented by the DUST to swallow. As life has shown, they bought everything for Oil and Gas, so we will figure it out for a long time.
  5. AND Offline AND
    AND 7 March 2022 16: 55
    +3
    Quote: kriten
    The aircraft industry was killed by Putin with the help of his friends, accomplices like Gref, who in Russia only see the opportunity to make money.

    Such knowledge .... I'm sure you personally helped to kill for loot. So maybe there is at least one link to this information, I really want to laugh. lol
  6. bsk_una Offline bsk_una
    bsk_una (Nick) 7 March 2022 17: 11
    +4
    The main thing is not to merge the Khristenki with their retinue, who helped the redhead to ruin the country, in particular the aviation industry, the Manturovs, the Silyans, together with the Nabiulyns (I put it a little badly). This should have been done 20 years ago.
  7. ont65 Offline ont65
    ont65 (Oleg) 7 March 2022 17: 19
    0
    It is hardly possible. In the government, people are categorically intolerant of anything Soviet. Vyat something from the USSR for them is like the defeat of the liberal world, which they all this time under the noisy fanfare of the EP built with advanced Boeings or Airbuses, or at worst ssj -mc. The policy of even economical Germans will make them freeze, and here we are talking about Russia.
  8. Oleg_5 Offline Oleg_5
    Oleg_5 (Oleg) 7 March 2022 17: 22
    +3
    How long does it take to switch from piece production to the production of at least dozens (I am silent about hundreds) per year?
    1. Alexfly Offline Alexfly
      Alexfly (Alexander) 9 March 2022 14: 21
      -2
      So 20 years, I guess ... we are not China
  9. 123 Offline 123
    123 (123) 7 March 2022 17: 31
    +3
    At their request, by March 26, 2022, all foreign-made airliners that are on lease must be returned.

    Probably for a start it is worth calmly waiting for March 26, there are less than 3 weeks left. Let's see what happens in reality, requirements are one thing, reality is another. I don’t see any point in starting discussions here in advance, they are probably already used to “national catastrophes” on the pages of the Reporter. During this period, in aviation, it is still practically impossible to do anything.

    Not everything is clear with the MS-21, the problem of which may be excessive innovation. It will be the world's first narrow-body aircraft with a fully composite wing. It is not known what the real experience of its commercial operation will be, especially considering that the imported composite turned out to be heavier than what was envisaged by the project.

    I understand correctly that the aircraft manufacturers of Tatarstan are not sure how an aircraft with a composite wing will behave in operation, which the aircraft manufacturers of Tatarstan were proudly talking about? And just in case, they offer to insure and produce another aircraft?

    Let's say right away that no one, of course, offers to give up on these two aircraft, on which a huge amount of budget money has been spent. They need to be brought to mind, but before the start of mass production, at least another 5 years will pass, and the pace and volume will increase very slowly. It will be a rather long story, but our airliners are needed now, and the more the better.

    Right now and more, more fellow won't work anyway. Snap your fingers with make 500 fantastic planes. Understand this is simply not possible. It will be a long story anyway. Expanding and restoring production is not easy. IL-476 is an example for you.

    Its only drawback is the use of the PS-90A engine, which is slightly noisier than the American, European and Russian PD-14, and also consumes about 10% more fuel.

    It's not an alternative in the way you're looking at it. Both engines are made in the same factory, by the same people. Does the company need to expand production? Is anyone against it? This is exactly what is happening with the PD-14, it will probably be difficult or not possible to speed it up. PD-90A ready to make 30 pcs. per year (for 15 aircraft) And they want to expand the production of engines of both those and those to 50 (25 aircraft). Try 500 divided by 15 or by 25. So far, this is the maximum that we can count on.

    The enterprise, which is the main manufacturer of PD-14, and in the future and PD-35, is increasing its capabilities on all fronts, implementing a multi-billion dollar production modernization program, rejuvenating and training personnel. Scheduled events should allow over the next five years to increase production by 20% annually, and for a five-year period - to double the scale of business.

    Aviation topics today in the total output of "UEC-PM" occupies a not so significant share, today it is about 15 new engines of the PS-90A family. However, the most significant growth is foreseen in the aviation area. Having contracts and applications for engines of the PS-90A family, including engines of the PS-90A-76 modification, the company expects to produce over 2022 new engines of this type in 30 alone, plus PD-14 and repair items.

    Today, plans have been formed for the technical re-equipment of factories, which will be supported by Rostec, which will allow to produce up to 50 engines per year.

    https://www.aviaport.ru/news/2022/01/12/704975.html

    The story of the Tu-334, which was “eaten” by the liberals in the government for the sake of the “designer” of the Superjet 100, is even sadder than that of Romeo and Juliet. A fully prepared and certified aircraft, by the way, as unified as possible in terms of components with the Tu-204, was forgotten and shelved. The question of the possibility of resuming its production instead of the problematic Superjet 100 was periodically raised, but this idea was immediately anathema in the media.

    Perhaps the only sound counterargument after 2014 was that the Tu-334 was critically dependent on the supply of D-436 power plants from Ukraine. However, let's see how things go on with the Russian military in the Zaporozhye region. God knows, maybe there will be some real options.

    Both aircraft have imported engines. If it was still possible to buy from the French, then with Ukraine it was simply impossible. It is simply impossible in fact, there was no engine for the plane. What kind of production are we talking about? Oh, these "gluttonous liberals" who forbade Ukrainians to sell engines to us smile

    Tu-324 is another very interesting development, which has not yet been given a chance to be realized.

    If anything, he has 3 options for installing engines. Ukrainian AI-22, American General Electric CF34 i and British Rolls-Royce BR700.
    Which one do you like better? Which one do you think is more promising in the current conditions? laughing
  10. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 7 March 2022 18: 30
    -3
    Tse discussion resembles the division of the skin of an unkilled bear.

    More upsetting is the fact that "the head of Tatarstan, Rustam Minnikhanov, who simultaneously holds the post of chairman of the board of directors of Tupolev, whose plant is located in Kazan."

    Government officials are directors and owners of enterprises. It is somewhat doubtful that they are good at doing something in the aircraft industry, except for drinking ...
    And there, for sure, there are still "effective barons-managers" in the leadership
  11. But Minnikhanov is right! It is necessary to start collecting TU-204, it is certified without a market!
  12. AND Offline AND
    AND 7 March 2022 18: 42
    0
    Quote: Sergey Latyshev
    Tse discussion resembles the division of the skin of an unkilled bear.

    More upsetting is the fact that "the head of Tatarstan, Rustam Minnikhanov, who simultaneously holds the post of chairman of the board of directors of Tupolev, whose plant is located in Kazan."

    Government officials are directors and owners of enterprises. It is somewhat doubtful that they are good at doing something in the aircraft industry, except for drinking ...
    And there, for sure, there are still "effective barons-managers" in the leadership

    You tell your corrupt American Euro-bureaucrats. Propagandist.
  13. Jacques sekavar Offline Jacques sekavar
    Jacques sekavar (Jacques Sekavar) 7 March 2022 18: 59
    -3
    In the country of the “gas station”, fuel prices are world-class, and the average level of income of the population does not allow us to do without state subsidies for air transportation.
    The President set the task of adapting the supersonic Tu-160 for commercial transportation, apparently this will have to be forgotten.
    Production capacities will not allow to produce the entire range, you will have to choose.
    It will be good if at least Baikal is put into mass production within the established time frame, the production of Ansats and Ka-226s is increased, which is especially important for remote and hard-to-reach regions in which there is no alternative to air traffic.
    The demand to return the leased fleet can be counterclaimed for compensation for the costs of the Nord Stream, denazification and saving Europe from the possible possession of nuclear weapons by Ukraine, damage from the seizure of foreign property, arrest of accounts, blockade of gold reserves, disconnection from Swift, other sabotage initiated by the West and robbery of the Russian Federation .
  14. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 8 March 2022 03: 48
    0
    Well, it has already become clear that no one is going to return the leased aircraft.
    As I expected. And not at all in the way that the author feared.
  15. consultant Offline consultant
    consultant (Vladimir) 8 March 2022 14: 55
    +1
    Quote: Old Skeptic
    I would advise you: adjust the style of the articles a little, reduce the panic, and try to look at problems and solutions from different angles.

    He will not be able, unfortunately, because. own experience and knowledge seems to be little or none at all. But there is a great desire to look like an analyst.
    Remember in “12 Chairs” a character with the same outlandish surname-pseudonym Lyapis Trubetskoy wrote - “The waves rolled over the pier and fell down with a swift jack ...” ?, and then justified himself: “- It is not necessary to be everywhere! Lapis shouted. - Pushkin wrote Turkish poetry and had never been to Turkey ... Pushkin wrote based on materials. He read the history of the Pugachev rebellion, and then wrote. So this one writes a lot of nonsense based on other people's "materials", and then takes offense, like a child without candy.
  16. consultant Offline consultant
    consultant (Vladimir) 8 March 2022 15: 02
    +1
    Quote: Jacques Sekavar
    In the country "gas station" fuel prices are world..

    I don’t know about which country it is, but in our Russian region, prices have decreased since March 95. A liter of the 50,5th at Taneft was 48 rubles, now at a discount of 46, there are cheaper on others (1,5 each). And if we translate at the current dollar rate, then the price drop is generally more than XNUMX times. Far perishing here world prices, those flooded up.
  17. EpIvIaK Offline EpIvIaK
    EpIvIaK (Ian) 8 March 2022 15: 58
    0
    I remember about 20-25 years ago, as a child, I flew with my family to European countries, there was always an IL-86. At that time, I was already used to it, as if there was nothing else. I just heard stories about the Tu-154 all the time.
    I didn’t particularly follow how and what happened then, but here such realities are now.
  18. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 9 March 2022 12: 09
    0
    Thus, Russia is accelerating the creation of a new version of the Sukhoy Superjet 100 (SSJ100) aircraft, taking into account import substitution.
    It is planned not only to reduce the time for creating an aircraft with a Russian engine, but also to increase the production of passenger aircraft. Manturov ordered to raise them to 40 units per year. At the moment, 23-24 "Superjet" with imported power plants are produced annually.
    (C)
  19. you need to make your own planes, OWN!
  20. Pavel57 Offline Pavel57
    Pavel57 (Paul) 11 March 2022 19: 29
    -1
    1. Is it possible to restore the production of Tu-204? The Ulyanovsk plant cannot cope with the IL-76. The Kazan plant will not produce the Tu-214 en masse.
    2. Are there any reserves for the production of PS-90? He is now going to the IL-76.
    3. Tu-334 where to produce? Kharkiv, Kazan, Lukhovitsy, to choose from? The plane is definitely outdated, especially for the Ukrainian engine.
    4 . If everything settles down with Ukraine for the better, it is worth continuing the production of An-148/158. Moreover, we can return to the topic of the An-178 transporter.
  21. SHAH Offline SHAH
    SHAH 21 March 2022 10: 50
    0
    The fact that Khristenko, Pogosyan, Slyusar, Serdyukov, Manturov and K * destroyed the legacy of the USSR aviation industry and that they were a brake on the development of domestic aviation, everyone knows, they were even awarded for this too. Minnikhanov to say that today to give wings to Russia, stop giving a damn about the USSR, this legacy must be used taking into account the time, and those who slow down this process must be exponentially punished for sabotage and treason against Russia.