What the Russian Navy lacks for a successful naval landing near Odessa


The special military operation, carried out since February 24, 2022 by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, has shown that the Russian army is capable of performing combat missions against a numerically superior enemy. However, in less than two weeks, it highlighted a number of serious problems of the Russian Navy, which were previously discussed said repeatedly. Having inflicted a series of successful missile strikes on the military infrastructure of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the first hours, the Russian fleet has not yet carried out a landing operation, which, obviously, was supposed to be in the Odessa region. Why did this happen, and what does the UDC and "unnecessary" aircraft carriers have to do with it?


Yes, we will talk a little about aircraft carriers for the Russian fleet. Again. This time not in a theoretical, but in a purely practical way. Literally in the very first hours after the start of the military operation in Ukraine, it was reported that our large landing ships with escort ships went out to sea, obviously towards the Odessa and Nikolaev regions. The significance of the liberation of the Hero City of Odessa from Nazi occupation for the fall of the Russophobic Kiev regime can hardly be overestimated. Russian ships have been repeatedly seen with the naked eye abeam Odessa, but the expected amphibious assault has not yet taken place. Why pull in the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation?

The most interesting thing is that to some extent we have already tried a similar situation simulate, imagining what a hypothetical naval operation to liberate friendly Venezuela from the junta that came to power as a result of a coup at the request of the overthrown legitimate president could look like. The key problems that would then confront the Russian Ministry of Defense were the following: the extreme remoteness of the theater of operations and the difficulty in supplying the Russian group, the acute shortage of surface ships of the 1st rank capable of operating in the DMZ, the presence of an enemy combat-ready army armed with completely modern systems air defense and anti-ship missiles, and strike aircraft, as well as our own navy. This is on condition that all this stuff was in the hands of the junta, which is ready to use it against the Russian Navy.

To accomplish such a task, the RF Ministry of Defense would first need to seize a foothold on the defended coast. And then it would turn out that we have almost nothing to solve it. You can’t clear the territory with just ship missiles (“Onyx”, “Caliber” or “Zircon”). There are few carriers for them, and the ammunition is small. The base is located far across the ocean, which makes it extremely difficult to supply. We need fighter aircraft, carrier-based, which will continuously deliver missile and bomb strikes, knocking out combat machinery, SAM and DBK of the enemy. We need AWACS aircraft and helicopters that will continuously circle in the air, conducting reconnaissance and issuing data to aviation and missiles for target designation. We need UDC, which, after stripping, will carry out the most safe over-the-horizon landing.

And only then, in the second wave, will the large landing ships go, which need to stick right into the shore for the landing of marines and equipment.

We spoke about the urgent need for the Russian fleet to cover with carrier-based aircraft in ARTICLESdedicated to the lessons of the Falklands War. I remember that at that time some of our readers with a very clever look asserted that Russia would never and nowhere carry out any amphibious landings as unnecessary. We are a “great land power”, and we don’t need all sorts of aircraft carriers and UDCs for nothing. Ugh, crap. Not with Ukraine in its steppes with the help of aircraft carriers to fight? Hmm...

So, let's fast forward to the Black Sea, where for the second week now the Russian Navy has been unable to carry out an amphibious assault near Odessa. Why can't? It would seem that the most convenient theater of operations, next to its own base of the navy in the Crimea. There is a total superiority over the enemy in the air due to the base aviation. The enemy is disorganized and demoralized, stretched across the vast length of the front. Take it, and land the marines wherever you want, and strike in the Odessa region in his rear. Alas, everything is not so simple.

At first, in Odessa itself and its environs you will not land. A feature of landing with the help of the BDK is the need for it to stick directly into the shore. All the coast and beaches of the city have long been mined and lined with anti-tank hedgehogs. Anti-ship missiles "Neptune" of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are kept in reserve just for this case. The approaching landing craft will be a great target for conventional cannon artillery and tanks. For our Marines, this is pure suicide.

Secondly, the advantage of the Russian fleet in mobility over the Armed Forces of Ukraine is also illusory. As it turned out the day before, the Ukrainian army promptly receives from NATO all the information about all the movements of our military units, aircraft and ships. This allows its columns with armored vehicles to move almost unhindered from one settlement to another. However, there is nothing to be surprised at, for this the Americans came to Nezalezhnaya to fight against us with proxy. However, this creates a lot of problems for the Russian Navy. The General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will know exactly where the Russian landing force is heading, and will send a "welcome group" to meet it. Thanks to the intelligence of the North Atlantic Alliance, the Ukrainian army knows when aircraft take off from an airfield somewhere in the Crimea, its still surviving air defense systems will be able to receive data for target designation of air defense systems and missile defense systems with Neptune anti-ship missiles.

This is probably why the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces is dragging so much time with the landing force near Odessa. As you can see, even with our superiority in strike power, a logistically convenient theater of operations, and the complete absence of Nezalezhnaya's own navy, a naval operation against a defended coast is turning into an extremely complex and dangerous undertaking. No ship-based missiles on the Moskva cruiser or the Project 22350 multi-purpose frigate are capable of fulfilling the assigned task by themselves. And what is needed for this?

Obviously, to suppress the positions of a well-armed and mobile enemy on the coast, aviation and air reconnaissance means are needed. Naturally, deck ones, those that are with you and can be used here and now without having to wait for the fighters to arrive from the Crimea, signaling to the NATO bloc and the Armed Forces of Ukraine where the landing will take place. AWACS helicopters and carrier-based AWACS aircraft must continuously be in the sky, fully controlling the situation and the movement of columns with enemy armored vehicles. They should also provide data for target designation to cruise missiles and carrier-based aircraft on identified positions on the coast, ensuring its cleansing at the bridgehead that is preferred by the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces. The landing must first be carried out in the safest possible way over the horizon with UDC, covering the Marines from the air with carrier-based fighters and attack helicopters, and only after that should BDKs come into play, landing directly on the shore.

Alas, there is not a single UDC in the Russian Navy yet, and the only remaining TAVKR is under repair. That is why there has been no landing near Odessa for almost two weeks now. And who would have thought that the most overwhelming aircraft carrier could be useful in a military operation even against Ukraine? We could, but in response we received only rudeness and scoffing. And here's how it ended up turning out.

This is once again to the question of whether our forecasts come true.
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  1. Bakht Offline Bakht
    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 7 March 2022 10: 56
    +4
    Russia has an aircraft carrier in the Black Sea. Does it really help?
    Let's assume that Russia has 2 (or even 4 UDC) on the Black Sea. Will this greatly help the landing operation?
    The landing of troops on the enemy coast has always been the most difficult operation. And with active opposition from the enemy, it is hardly possible.
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 7 March 2022 11: 25
      -4
      Russia has an aircraft carrier in the Black Sea. Does it really help?

      What is it?

      Let's assume that Russia has 2 (or even 4 UDC) on the Black Sea. Will this greatly help the landing operation?

      Yes, how else.

      The landing of troops on the enemy coast has always been the most difficult operation. And with active opposition from the enemy, it is hardly possible.

      The article is just about how to make landings possible. But you're just physiologically incapable of understanding it. request
      1. Bakht Offline Bakht
        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 7 March 2022 11: 58
        +11
        The aircraft carrier is called "Crimea". And unsinkable.

        Let's do some arithmetic. How many helicopters does the UDC have? Transport. How many flights do you need to make for landing with UDC? 30 miles to shore, it takes two hours for one trip for boats (I take a speed of 30 knots. And this is in good weather).
        Can the UDC (with security, of course) be 30 miles from the enemy coast for several hours? Nobody canceled anti-ship complexes. Who will supply the troops? One UDC is probably one battalion.

        Are you still raving about landing operations? Was one landing at the Gostomel airfield not enough for you? It was a miracle that he stayed there. Don't you think that the refusal of landing operations is connected precisely with the risk of defeat? BDKs can land this very battalion within a maximum of one hour. Providing air cover is not a problem. Attacks on coastal complexes can also be organized without problems. But there is still no landing operation itself. And no aircraft carrier or UDC will change this. The landing will be landed if the defense falls apart. Or, if it can be provided with supplies.
        Read about the Evpatoria landing. It is much closer than Odessa. From Sevastopol, a couple of hours of transition. Initial success, popular support and total defeat in the end.
        1. alexneg13 Offline alexneg13
          alexneg13 (Alexander) 7 March 2022 14: 31
          +2
          Russian BDK off the coast of Ukraine, this is a red herring. All moves are calculated to the smallest detail. In general, only the first stage goes with a very small contingent of the Russian Armed Forces. I would say very meager. The second stage will be larger and more painful for the Nazis and their henchmen. An unenviable fate awaits the Nazis and they will be caught all over the world to bring the sentence into action, and even the United States will not help.
          1. Yuri Neupokoev Offline Yuri Neupokoev
            Yuri Neupokoev (Yuri Neupokoev) 9 March 2022 10: 57
            +2
            I agree in general. The landing force near Odessa should remain on the road for the time being. This shackles the forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Now the main thing for the General Staff of the Russian Federation is to bring out the peaceful people of the south-east of Ukraine to the maximum extent possible and try to protect their own. Plus, fuel and lubricants in the Armed Forces of Ukraine are not endless. Their mobility will be lower and lower. Not all tank farms have been destroyed yet, but it is a matter of time. I don’t know how much the General Staff of the Russian Federation spent on this. But there is no point in dragging it out too much, because even now people are dying without food and water. Further it will be worse. The Nazis won't let them out. Our contingent is now limited. The Armed Forces of Ukraine and the Nazis are resisting more than our General Staff expected (30 years of brainwashing is no joke). NATO information helps very, very much. There are problems. Until we clean up Kharkov, Mariupol and liquidate a large group of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and Nazis in the Donbass, Odessa, Dnepropetrovsk and Kyiv are hardly worth taking seriously (not to mention the western part). And the whole country needs to be cleaned up. Otherwise, there was no point in starting. It will take years and resources to complete denazification, but there is no way without it.
      2. alexneg13 Offline alexneg13
        alexneg13 (Alexander) 7 March 2022 14: 51
        +5
        Quote: Marzhetsky
        What the Russian Navy lacks for a successful naval landing near Odessa

        Perhaps your advice is missing.
        1. Zwain Offline Zwain
          Zwain (Zwain) 12 March 2022 04: 58
          0
          maybe you forgot your ammo at home?
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  3. Crunch Offline Crunch
    Crunch (Crunch) 7 March 2022 11: 05
    +4
    Quote: Bakht
    Russia has an aircraft carrier in the Black Sea. Does it really help?
    Let's assume that Russia has 2 (or even 4 UDC) on the Black Sea. Will this greatly help the landing operation?
    The landing of troops on the enemy coast has always been the most difficult operation. And with active opposition from the enemy, it is hardly possible.

    Did the author hold a candle when considering plans for a landing (or just a DEMONSTRATION of intentions) in the General Staff of Russia? Isn't this demonstration of the silhouettes of ships on the horizon, CLEARLY visible to the naked eye, not a means of fulfilling some plans? Who said that only idiots gathered in the General Staff, to attract attention, and not to do it. To deliberately substitute paratroopers for the accumulating gangs of Ukronatsiks?
    1. Awaz Offline Awaz
      Awaz (Walery) 12 March 2022 08: 41
      0
      I don't know who in the General Staff organizes the operation plan and who makes the final decisions. I also do not know what kind of combat experience these people have, and I no longer know what successful actions our armed forces have carried out in Ukraine over the past two weeks. It's just that nobody really talks about it. But the miscalculations of the General Staff in this operation, which got out, are very few. The most important joint is the underestimation of the enemy. I’ll also say something else: no matter what they tell us on TV that everything is going according to plan, but I think that you will agree that not a single general from the General Staff of the Russian Federation planned that even today Donetsk and Gorlovka would be shelled from Avdiivka. If it was in the plans - well, then I don’t even know what to say ..
      1. Artyom Reshetnyak (Artyom Reshetnyak) 12 March 2022 19: 33
        +2
        not only from Avdiivka. the entire south-north semicircle around Gorlovka is still under fire. the last couple of days have been weaker, but still arrives
  4. Bakht Offline Bakht
    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 7 March 2022 11: 06
    +4
    I remember that at that time some of our readers with a very clever look asserted that Russia would never and nowhere carry out any amphibious landings as unnecessary.

    It's the 12th day of the war. The reality is this. Russia has not yet carried out any amphibious assaults. For uselessness. So you don’t even have to stutter about the landing beyond the seas and oceans. You will have one aircraft carrier or ten. So "some readers" did not have a "smart look", but they were simply smart in themselves.
    soldier
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 7 March 2022 11: 26
      -6
      So "some of the readers" didn't have a "smart look", they were just smart in their own right.

      Maybe, but it's not about you. hi

      Russia has not yet carried out any amphibious assaults. For uselessness. So you don’t even have to stutter about the landing beyond the seas-oceans

      We'll see. smile
  5. 123 Offline 123
    123 (123) 7 March 2022 11: 14
    +5
    What are you writing about? What carrier-based aircraft do you need near Odessa?
    From the center of Crimea to it 300 km. Are you planning to bring the aircraft carrier closer, put it right to the shore?


    The fleet, just being at sea, fetters the forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. They are forced to keep them on the coast and cannot transfer them anywhere. Whether there is a need to carry out a landing is up to professionals.
    In my opinion, there is no need for this.
    A bonus video about the heroism of Ukrainian soldiers, all as one, fell in the fight against the invaders, dying with the name of the president on their lips, but not surrendering. Heroes ... well, you know laughing
    So, the heroic defense of the outpost of Europe. lol

    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 7 March 2022 11: 31
      -4
      What are you writing about? What carrier-based aircraft do you need near Odessa?
      From the center of Crimea to it 300 km. Are you planning to bring the aircraft carrier closer, put it right to the shore?

      Deck - aircraft and helicopters AWACS.
      To the coast at a distance of up to 30 km, put the UDC.
      1. 123 Offline 123
        123 (123) 7 March 2022 16: 18
        +3
        Deck - aircraft and helicopters AWACS.

        Don't regular ones work for you? Deck then why? Look at the map again, next to the unsinkable aircraft carrier - Crimea.

        To the coast at a distance of up to 30 km, put the UDC.

        What for? So that rockets could reach them?
  6. Krapilin Offline Krapilin
    Krapilin (Victor) 7 March 2022 11: 19
    +5
    And who told the author that the landing operation of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation will be before the slamming of the boiler around Odessa by army units begins ?! The landing operation, I think, is not aimed at Odessa - it was and remains just a demonstration, for the constant "fuss with the movements of the defenders." The goal for the marines is Ishmael and the march to Transnistria.
  7. Adler77 Offline Adler77
    Adler77 (Denis) 7 March 2022 11: 19
    0
    It's just a "hand-face"
    You have to be crazy to use an aircraft carrier group in close proximity to the coast.
    Crimea is much more convenient here.
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 7 March 2022 11: 33
      -4
      The presence of an aircraft carrier in the group does not necessarily make it AUG.
      The use of an aircraft carrier to cover the landing and reconnaissance does not mean that it needs to be placed near the coast. stop
      1. alexneg13 Offline alexneg13
        alexneg13 (Alexander) 7 March 2022 14: 39
        0
        For an aircraft carrier group, one dagger is enough. I think that the United States is even a jackal, but they are not completely fools to expose themselves to an inevitable blow, in the event of the West's direct participation in hostilities in Ukraine. What does the dagger get them in the Mediterranean Sea, and today no one has protection from it.
  8. Netyn Offline Netyn
    Netyn (Netyn) 7 March 2022 11: 24
    +4
    This is once again to the question of whether our forecasts come true.

    Yours never come true) And that's good.
    PS I am waiting for a howl from the author about the need for Orthodox AUGs in the Sea of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbAzov to storm Mariupol
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 7 March 2022 11: 27
      -5
      Yours never come true) And that's good.

      As soon as they come true. And that's not good.

      PS I am waiting for a howl from the author about the need for Orthodox AUGs in the Sea of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbAzov to storm Mariupol

      Howling is what one place in your body emits.
  9. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 7 March 2022 11: 25
    -3
    Alas, there is not a single UDC in the Russian Navy yet, and the only remaining TAVKR is under repair. That is why there has been no landing near Odessa for almost two weeks now.

    Yes Yes. That's why. There can be no other reasons. Because the author does not know them.

    This is once again to the question of whether our forecasts come true.

    Yea Yea. Allegedly, there was a clear forecast about Odessa, and it came true. There was no prediction and nothing came true. But as always. General arguments that can neither be confirmed nor refuted.
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 7 March 2022 11: 35
      -4
      Yea Yea. Allegedly, there was a clear forecast about Odessa, and it came true. There was no forecast and nothing came true

      The forecast was not about Odessa, but about the need for aircraft carriers. This follows directly from the text of the article. Have you read it? Got it?

      But as always.

      And you have been here for a long time to keep statistics laughing

      General arguments that can neither be confirmed nor refuted.

      For the last 2 weeks, all my previous predictions from 2018 are coming true, unlike the nonsense that some others have written.
      1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 7 March 2022 11: 58
        0
        The forecast was not about Odessa, but about the need for aircraft carriers.

        Excellent forecast. About need. You probably also made a prediction about the need for an army or navy. And most importantly, of course, confirmation of the forecast. Today it immediately became clear to the whole world that aircraft carriers are needed. Nothing without them.

        Damn, yes, I can make dozens of such forecasts a day and find hundreds of confirmations.

        And you have been here for a long time to keep statistics laughing

        First, I registered in January of this year. I've been reading it for a couple of years now.
        Second, you write a lot. Because statistics are easy to keep.
        I can't say anything about 2018. But since the beginning of this year, I don't like your ideas and lines of thought at all. You don't make predictions. Basically there are all sorts of suggestions or wishes. Reading you is good for developing critical thinking.

        unlike the nonsense that some others have written.

        Yes, they write a lot of nonsense. You are not part of the elite of writers of nonsense.
        But I don't know if that makes you happy or not.
        1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
          Marzhecki (Sergei) 30 March 2022 14: 39
          0
          You don't make predictions. Basically there are all sorts of suggestions or wishes. Reading you is good for developing critical thinking.

          Sure sure.
  10. kriten Offline kriten
    kriten (Vladimir) 7 March 2022 11: 52
    -1
    They were not ready not only in Odessa, but also in many other places. The enemy is moving large continents of troops with equipment, and in our country, with supposedly complete air supremacy, there is nothing to hit them with. There's a mistake on a mistake and an error drives.
  11. Alexander Klevtsov (alexander klevtsov) 7 March 2022 13: 20
    0
    We need to wait with the landing ...
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  13. kriten Offline kriten
    kriten (Vladimir) 7 March 2022 16: 32
    0
    The first thing that is always missing is the mind!
  14. Yuri 5347 Offline Yuri 5347
    Yuri 5347 (Yuri) 7 March 2022 19: 09
    0
    ... we don't need to sing war songs about aircraft carriers in this particular case! We have a cool, huge (not like the US 100 thousand tons each) aircraft carrier - Crimea. If you want an aircraft carrier 100 km from Odessa, this will not work, or rather, it will expose it to the Neptunes. We have an aircraft carrier in the Black Sea and it is where it needs to be.
  15. asr55 Offline asr55
    asr55 (asr) 7 March 2022 21: 01
    +1
    The special operation in Ukraine is proceeding according to a clearly planned scenario. What the Russian Navy has shown or not shown is picking your nose on the couch. After I think everything will be analyzed by specialists and it will be clear what mistakes were. And now the message of the author is not clear. Well, he wants it so it's his business.
  16. IMHO Offline IMHO
    IMHO (nikitoss) 7 March 2022 23: 03
    +1
    And we dream of landing, landing, landing ...
    Everything has its time. A sufficient number of landing craft are waiting in the wings. Be sure to bang, but then! The aircraft carrier Crimea, everything that is needed from it will take off and fly without any UDC, aircraft carriers, and so on. Do not shake the air with aircraft carriers, they will never be in Russia!
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 30 March 2022 14: 37
      0
      Do not shake the air with aircraft carriers, they will never be in Russia!

      TAVKR Admiral Kuznetsov has been around for a long time.
  17. Pavel57 Offline Pavel57
    Pavel57 (Paul) 7 March 2022 23: 18
    0
    Crimea is an unsinkable aircraft carrier.
  18. Igor Viktorovich Berdin 8 March 2022 00: 08
    0
    The only thing I don’t understand is how we are going to fight with the USA and NATO if we cannot free Odessa from banderlogs, which, as we are told, have already been practically defeated. Why can’t we destroy the entire coastal defense with missiles, plow the entire coast to destroy mines?
    1. VID 2 Offline VID 2
      VID 2 8 March 2022 18: 51
      0
      plow the entire coast to destroy mines

      What are you going to "plow"?
      If rockets are an expensive pleasure. Back in 1943, the Wehrmacht used special radio-controlled tanks: the Goliath, heavy rollers were attached to ordinary tanks. Now there is a robot - a miner "Uranus", but all these are GROUND means, and the entire coast is closed from landing
  19. Moray Boreas Offline Moray Boreas
    Moray Boreas (Morey Borey) 8 March 2022 06: 41
    -2
    I am surprised at the enthusiasm of many authors on this resource! We sing a song to the madness of the brave! Here, the author composed and published the material .... and for this, critics in a rude form and in all poses shoved him in the nose, and in the mouth, and under the tail ... and after that, the poor author also fights off this criticism, as from annoying pigeons ... there is not a single post that grateful readers do not cheat on it! Bravo! Let's sing a song....
  20. Vladimir Daetoya (Vladimir Daetoya) 8 March 2022 07: 12
    +1
    And what about aircraft carriers? Our aircraft carrier Crimea is 300 km from the Odessa coast. And how far could an aircraft carrier approach, given that the range of Neptune is 280 km?
  21. lomograph Offline lomograph
    lomograph (Igor) 8 March 2022 08: 21
    0
    It's good that Zhukov is not here. He would not have waited and would have thrashed the entire landing force long ago, as near Leningrad.
  22. Alemax Offline Alemax
    Alemax (Ivan) 8 March 2022 09: 38
    +2
    Marzhetsky. My friendly advice to you is to stop writing about the problems of the fleet. They are not there at all and not in that.
    And do not write about landing operations. You know nothing about them beyond the level of Wikipedia.
    1. Uralean Offline Uralean
      Uralean ( Evgeniy) 12 March 2022 22: 03
      +1
      Quote from Alex
      Marzhetsky. My friendly advice to you is to stop writing about the problems of the fleet. They are not there at all and not in that.
      And do not write about landing operations. You know nothing about them beyond the level of Wikipedia.

      Quite right! And I have the same opinion!
    2. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 30 March 2022 14: 36
      -1
      I'll do without your advice. And you are not my friend or comrade.
  23. Alex 252 Offline Alex 252
    Alex 252 (Alexander) 8 March 2022 12: 28
    +1
    In Russia we have excellent hovercraft all-terrain vehicles - the Arctic. The latest modification just takes on board a landing platoon. They are not afraid of anti-tank mines, as they do not exert pressure on the ground. Water speed over 100 km/h. An ideal means for landing troops ... but for some reason the MO is not at all interesting!
  24. VID 2 Offline VID 2
    VID 2 8 March 2022 18: 38
    0
    In fact, an aircraft carrier in the Black Sea is an elephant in a china shop. And the "Mistrals" just came up
  25. VID 2 Offline VID 2
    VID 2 8 March 2022 18: 54
    +1
    Quote from Lomograf
    It's good that Zhukov is not here. He would not have waited and would have thrashed the entire landing force long ago, as near Leningrad.

    We have every third Suvorov, and every second at least Bagration
  26. Russia has 15 unsinkable aircraft carriers on the Black Sea near Odessa - Crimean military airports - at a distance of 300 to 500 km from the landing point. So it's not about aviation support. Here and auto-denazification (the flight of Bandera from the city), and the withdrawal of significant forces from the main front, and, probably, other factors that we are not yet aware of.
  27. Essex62 Offline Essex62
    Essex62 (Alexander) 9 March 2022 03: 51
    +1
    Quote: 123
    Deck - aircraft and helicopters AWACS.

    Don't regular ones work for you? Deck then why? Look at the map again, next to the unsinkable aircraft carrier - Crimea.

    To the coast at a distance of up to 30 km, put the UDC.

    What for? So that rockets could reach them?

    Mr. Marzhetsky dreams of landing troops at the other end of the balloon. Directly impudent Saxon inclinations. fool Expansion and all that stuff laughing
  28. Evgeny Moshchenov (Evgeny Moshchenov) 9 March 2022 20: 08
    -1
    What a shame, during the Second World War they didn’t land on such shores, but now it means something is missing ...
    1. Uralean Offline Uralean
      Uralean ( Evgeniy) 12 March 2022 22: 00
      0
      Interesting, what are you ashamed of? To you, that it has already been announced that there will be no landing on Odessa, or will it be vice versa? Or are you already ashamed?
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  30. Uralean Offline Uralean
    Uralean ( Evgeniy) 12 March 2022 21: 52
    0
    Interestingly, the author of the article reflects, and gives out his judgments with aplomb, for the place of the General Staff of the Russian Federation. Why, in his opinion, Russia did not land troops in the Odessa or Nikolaev region. Does he know the plans of the General Staff? Why is the author so confidently rhetoric and evaluative actions on the actions of the Russian troops on land and the fleet at sea? Here the author writes:

    So, let's fast forward to the Black Sea, where for the second week now the Russian Navy has been unable to carry out an amphibious assault near Odessa. Why can't? It would seem that the most convenient theater of operations, next to its own base of the navy in the Crimea. There is a total superiority over the enemy in the air due to the base aviation ...

    I would like to ask the author - do you know exactly why the ships of the Black Sea barrage on the traverse of Odessa, but do not accept landing ashore? What was reported to you from the General Staff? Since you write from yourself, and lead readers into unnecessary verbal debates? And you can not imagine that, for example. Not any landing for this period of time by the General Staff was planned at all? And barrage of ships on the traverse of Odessa-Crimea serve other purposes. For example, to keep in suspense, Groupings of troops of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, to protect the Odesa region, and the Nikolaev region, distracting them from the actions of the Russian Troops in the Kherson region. And the Zaporozhye region of Ukraine, which punched a corridor from the Crimea and put its fortified areas in the steppes of Tavria. By these actions, the Russian Navy, without incurring large costs and losses, was able to prevent the transfer of part of the troops from the fortified areas of Nikolaev and Odessa to Kherson. It's like one of the tasks. Another task, as I see it, is to show NATO, its decisive intentions, and not to give the NATO fleet, from Varna and Constanta (Romania), to have a desire to transfer assistance to Ukraine (both military and material. Cutting off from all supplies. And at a constant expense resources, try not to allow them to be replenished. "Building up in their fortified areas of forces and means, not only to capture the southern coast of Ukraine, but also to guarantee the retention of these territories, with the possibility of logistics for the supply of rear units and supplies. So, logically, here one can only argue why and how. But when waging war, this is not only not a thankful, but often harmful business.Because your innocent vision of some kind of operations (in some areas of the Theater of Operations ii) may be accepted by readers (not trained readers) as valid. And it spreads in the form of rumors, based on supposedly valid actions confirmed by the General Staff of the Russian Federation. It would be better to refrain from predicting any expected actions by the Russian troops. For they are known only in the Headquarters of the troops. And orders to the troops are classified as secret. About the place, time of the operations. What forces and means they should be carried out. But the authors of the reporter are not involved in these secret orders. Of course, one can argue at the end of some operations, and judge, on the bench, the command made the right decision, or the wrong one, based on the results of the battles. But only after, and not before .. Of course, if you do not have a task from the command, about disorienting the enemy who reads your articles and will prepare for defense according to your stories.
  31. Uralean Offline Uralean
    Uralean ( Evgeniy) 12 March 2022 22: 05
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    Quote: Morey Borey
    I am surprised at the enthusiasm of many authors on this resource! We sing a song to the madness of the brave! Here, the author composed and published the material .... and for this, critics in a rude form and in all poses shoved him in the nose, and in the mouth, and under the tail ... and after that, the poor author also fights off this criticism, as from annoying pigeons ... there is not a single post that grateful readers do not cheat on it! Bravo! Let's sing a song....

    Well, what do you deserve. Don't judge here.
  32. Vladimir1155 Online Vladimir1155
    Vladimir1155 (Vladimir) 13 March 2022 21: 59
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    obviously the author is distorting, an aircraft carrier and, in general, aircraft carrier and helicopter cover in the Black Sea is not a problem for Russia (Crimea is ours), and landing is impossible against a not very strong country, which confirms my theses 1 the obsolescence of the idea of ​​large surface ships as such, visible in all ranges, vulnerable and slow-moving 2 the impossibility of strategic landings against at least some armed country 3 the stupidity of admiration for carrier-based aviation, and even an exaggeration of the general capabilities of aviation to support surface ships, the concept of which is outdated 4 the problem of landing near Odessa is too large size of the BDK and UDC, they are like elephants are visible to everyone and impermissibly vulnerable, they cannot be protected by either aviation or frigates, 5 the future of the amphibious assault is the small ships Chamois Dugong, high-speed and inconspicuous, with increased landing speed 6 the war in Ukraine showed what experts have long known, about which we wrote repeatedly, modern warfare is a war of disguises, principles "hit escaped", "discovered destroyed", in this war, high-speed and invulnerable aircraft and missiles, drones, crawling tanks hiding in greenery and other land equipment supported by electronic warfare helicopters, aircraft and missiles come first, and at sea these are submarines, submarines once submarines, secretive and well-armed ... and surface ships are only auxiliary and no more than a frigate
  33. asr55 Offline asr55
    asr55 (asr) 3 May 2022 20: 54
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    "Ukrainians" will brew with some fakes. What a people.