Denazification of Ukraine: expectations and reality

The fact that the military operation to force Kyiv to peace will be carried out to the bitter end is becoming more and more obvious to absolutely everyone. In fact, in the current conditions, Moscow was simply left with no other choice - to lay down the Armed Forces of Ukraine by order of Zelensky in the first two or three days of the offensive, some kind of “space for maneuver” the current “independent” government would probably have. Now, this option has become completely unrealistic - only the complete defeat of the enemy and unconditional surrender. With all the ensuing consequences for Ukraine.

To the great joy of the residents of this country awaiting release, the Kremlin’s rhetoric in this regard has become somewhat clearer and more unambiguous - on March 4, the press secretary of the President of Russia, Dmitry Peskov, bluntly stated that there could be no question of any “renunciation of denazification” that Kiev had imagined. It inspires and gives hope. However, the question remains open as to how the process, so vital for the country captured in 2014 by the Nazi rabble, will actually take place. Let's be honest - the initial stage of the military operation to liberate Ukraine showed that between the seemingly carefully worked out plans and realities, the distance can be, indeed, "huge size." Ridding this country of the disgusting heritage of neo-Banderism may be many times more difficult than defeating its military formations.

How can it be

In the issue of denazification of Ukraine, there is a possibility of committing very dangerous mistakes, which can be caused by certain misconceptions and, let's call a spade a spade, ideological clichés. The same Peskov mentioned "a huge number of nationalist associations that need to be got rid of." This, as Vladimir Ilyich used to say, is archival! However, it should be understood that by no means should one limit oneself to a legal ban on all sorts of "Bandera cells", the creation of lists of terrorist and extremist organizations, following the Russian model, and similar things. We need an open, public and maximally covered in the media around the world trial on the model of Nuremberg. At the same time, not only criminal organizations and parties whose ideology was Ukrainian nationalism should be subjected to unconditional condemnation and prohibition, but this very ideology as such.

Truly titanic work remains to be done - after all, to condemn Ukrainian nationalism, one will have to talk not only about the events of the Great Patriotic War, but also about the affairs of a hundred years ago. And, nevertheless, this will have to be done - so that the whole world can see and realize that Russia is not fighting against “national consciousness and self-determination”, but uprooting the roots of truly cannibalistic ideas, based on the same misanthropic principles and postulates as those that fueled German Nazism. It is technically possible to close all sorts of "sichi", "kurens" and other neo-Nazi cells, many of which have grown to monstrous proportions in recent years. It will be much more difficult to prevent them from resurrecting some time later - under the guise of completely peaceful organizations. Ukrainian neo-Nazism, which managed to preserve itself during the Soviet era, knows how to mimic and adapt in the most wonderful way.

That is why the work to eradicate it should by no means be superficial and hasty. Not only leaders, ideologists, propagandists of neo-Nazi organizations and formations, but every one of their members, without any exceptions, should go through the court and bear the most severe responsibility. Moreover, completely similar actions should be taken with regard to the participants of the “Euromaidan”, various “volunteers” who supported the ATO and similar individuals. They, it seems, did not take up arms (at least, many of them), but they were the driving force and “nutrient medium” of the entire nightmare that had been going on for 8 years both in the Donbass and in Ukraine itself. In no case should you limit yourself to “cutting off the tops”, because in this case, new poisonous “shoots” will appear very quickly. Another point of concern is the potential danger of returning to the local policies, as well as (sooner or later) and to the state authorities of those who are better and faster than others are able to "repaint" and "change shoes".

I have already spoken about this, and I will repeat it now: Ukraine is a country with centuries-old traditions of opportunism. It was also not enough that those who felt quite well after the coup of 2014 were at the helm of the new country - some in the most "unaffected", and some - outside of it. Convinced that the realities have changed in the most fundamental way, these slippery personalities will certainly try once again to crawl through to positions and new opportunities. All these attempts must be stopped in the most resolute way - otherwise what is being done today will again have to be repeated, and in a fairly near future.

And how it should be

As I have already allowed myself to assert above, the process of true denazification should begin with a colossal lawsuit that will forever send Ukrainian nationalism (in absolutely any forms and manifestations, with all the paraphernalia and symbols) to the dustbin of history, in the company of the NSDAP and other similar things. However, in parallel with this, it is necessary to form new authorities - from the legislative to the executive and judicial. Every single participant of the ATO-JFO, police and SBU officers must go through the most thorough investigation of their actions, and, in the absence of crimes on their conscience that “pull” them to full criminal responsibility, be subject to life-long disqualification. In any case, a ban on serving with weapons in hand. I will make a reservation - in this situation, exceptions are possible (one in tens of thousands approximately). After all, the same “conscripts” were sent to the ATO without asking their consent. The approach should be individual - so as not to repeat the vile things done in 20014-2015 by the “Maidan activists” themselves, who dispersed and “illustrated” all the “power structures”.

Be that as it may, the new country will urgently need the People's Militia and the People's Army. It is they who will have to bear the brunt of the struggle both with the nationalist underground supported by the West (and it will certainly be - no need to build illusions), and with that monstrous banditry and the shaft of ordinary criminality, which are already generated by the insane actions of the agonizing Kiev junta. However, with the police, everything can be quite simple. During the period I mentioned above, just for “service to Yanukovych”, such a number of its employees of all levels were thrown out into the street, which would be enough to create at least the core of new law enforcement agencies.

It will be more difficult with the Security Service - there is practically no “personnel reserve” there. Otherwise, how to explain the "sleeping" two "Maidans" - 2004 and 2014? Either sheer unprofessionalism or deliberate sabotage. Bearing this in mind, as well as the fact that in 2013-2014 it was the police that were, in fact, the only real force that opposed the coup d'état to the last, perhaps we should think about creating a structure with very broad powers similar to the NKVD. With the army, whose generals and senior officers first withdrew themselves from preventing an unconstitutional coup, but then moved together to kill their fellow citizens in the ATO, the personnel situation is approximately the same as with the SBU. But even here, presumably, a solution can be found - however, only with significant support from Russia. There will certainly be many professionals in the civil authorities who are not “covered up” in the crimes of the current regime and will agree to continue working under the new government.

As for the "deputy corps", and starting with those "people's deputies" who sat in the Verkhovna Rada in 2013-2014, they should be thrown out of politics once and for all. Those few who really tried to resist the Maidan and the civil war were either destroyed or forced to flee to Russia. The rest, pretending to be “opposition” for years, did absolutely nothing either to stop the tragedy of Donbass or to stop the process of the country’s slipping towards Nazism. Perhaps they did not vote for particularly odious laws, but they did not resign their parliamentary powers in protest against them. The old "political elite" of Ukraine, which allowed the Nazis and Bandera to come to power, should go into the past forever, as having proved its absolute inconsistency. It is necessary to create completely new political parties and social movements, the purpose of which will be precisely the re-education of the "broad masses of the population", and, above all, young people, in the spirit of denazification. Alas, after 30 years of "nezalezhnosti", and especially the last eight years of unbridled Nazi-Russophobic propaganda, the work will be hellish. But it needs to be done.

Special mention should be made of those personalities who bear the proud title of "oligarchs" in Ukraine. As a matter of fact, they, albeit indirectly (and where - in the most direct way), are involved both in the “Maidan” coup d'état and in the atrocities of the regime established in the country as a result. All their assets should be nationalized, and the funds that can be confiscated should be used to eliminate the consequences of the war in Donbass and the inevitable destruction that is taking place now. An attempt to “negotiate” with them, or, moreover, “use it in their own interests,” would be Moscow’s biggest mistake, which could lead to the most deplorable consequences. By definition, there should not be any "oligarchs" with enormous financial and organizational capabilities in the new country - otherwise, they will inevitably start trying to reformat both the government and the whole country for their own "selfish" interests. And it is far from certain that these attempts will be unsuccessful.

Questions of the administrative-territorial division of the new state (which would be best suited to the beautiful name of Little Russia), its federalization, and so on - these are technical issues. They, of course, quite realistic to solve with the proper participation of Russia, which is destined to be long. “Of course” and in the shortest possible time everything will not settle down here. And it is very important to understand this even before the corresponding processes are launched. At the same time, it should be remembered that the cornerstone here must certainly be the same denazification promised by Vladimir Vladimirovich, without which the rest completely loses its meaning. This process, which after the surrender and disarmament of the Armed Forces of Ukraine must be carried out by forces, for the most part, of local personnel, is destined to become very long. And the toughest. Otherwise it's impossible.
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  1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
    Just a cat (Bayun) 6 March 2022 18: 38
    Ukraine is a country with centuries-old traditions of opportunism.

    The name Little Russia does not suit them. nothing to cast a shadow on Russia. Judah as a name suits them better.
    And one more thing - the Ukrainian sowing campaign was disrupted for a couple of years. There is no fuel, bridges and roads are blown up, fields are mined. The whole world is waiting for hunger, and Ukrainians especially. Who will feed a couple of years 30 million?
  2. Valentine Offline Valentine
    Valentine (Valentin) 6 March 2022 18: 54
    I have already asked the members of the forum this question - what should we do with Western Ukraine-Galicia, 8 million people, a hotbed of Bandera Nazism, several thousand of which brought Ukraine to its knees forty million by committing a coup d'état on February 20, 2014 and unleashing a civil war in the country. And do not blame Crimea and Donbass for this, and even more so Russia, but only those who are friends with brains can understand this, and even under the USSR, the inhabitants of Western Ukraine, with rare exceptions, simply fiercely hated the entire USSR with its people, and now even more so when thousands of coffins with "warriors of light" go there. Judas Khrushchev deliberately did not finish off the remnants of the OUN-UPA, having rehabilitated them in 1955, and now we are reaping the fruits of his betrayal on his part to our country, and the surrender of Crimea to Ukraine is also from the same "hopak". We will never live together now, but we don’t need such a neighborhood, and now what do you order us to do with these "non-brothers"?
    1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
      Just a cat (Bayun) 6 March 2022 19: 02
      It's a difficult question. Over the centuries, they have jumped against Russia more than once, and after each punishment, an artificial selection occurs. The violent and brave are killed, the cowardly and vile remain. Further we go, worse it becomes.
  3. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
    gunnerminer (gunner miner) 6 March 2022 19: 24
    What forces and means to ensure the process of denazification? How to work with local youth? What to offer her? Filtration commissions and special courts will have to be organized.
    The most difficult will be the problem of reformatting the consciousness of pre-conscription youth, requiring new textbooks, programs and mentors capable of putting completely different values ​​into the minds of such youth. Such a program must be developed now and people must be prepared for their implementation. And here the horse did not roll. On what legal basis should these procedures be carried out and the perpetrators brought to justice? Who will deal with all this in Ukraine? Reveal Bandera?
    1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
      Just a cat (Bayun) 6 March 2022 19: 30
      How to work with local youth? What to offer her?

      shovel or brush, manure or strawberries.
      Russia has been working with them since the 17th century and all to no avail.
    2. hig Offline hig
      hig 6 March 2022 19: 48
      We are reviving SMERSH and the NKVD, For efficiency - "troikas". Materials have accumulated - the hand will get tired! Under the root, and mercilessly!!! For if WE do not them, in 30-50 years THEY will us! Previously, it is very desirable to clear two islands of the Saxons and carry out land reclamation and landscape work - to build a strait connecting the Pacific Ocean with the Atlantic, between Mexico and Canada, which, in turn, should also be cleared of banderia. In general - work for a hundred years!
      1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
        Just a cat (Bayun) 6 March 2022 19: 52
        or simply not help at the expense of Russia with grain ... the whole West will be "fun".
      2. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
        gunnerminer (gunner miner) 6 March 2022 21: 04
        Who will revive these organizations? Those who, at the graduation from an educational institution, drove around the metropolis on Gelendvagen? Empty slogans.
  4. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
    Just a cat (Bayun) 6 March 2022 20: 00
    The Russian army should not rush to liberate the regional centers of Ukraine - it is better to wait until the repressions of American mercenaries and neo-Nazis cause hatred on the part of the civilian population, duped by Bandera propaganda.

    State Duma deputy from United Russia Yevgeny Fedorov stated this on the air of the Belorusinfo channel.
    “This is a patriotic war, and in Ukraine they don’t understand this. This means that maybe there is no need to hurry, to quickly liberate the centers of cities. Until they understand. Then we should carry out denazification. It’s only better that fascism be expelled from the brains by the repressions of the Americans on the territory of Ukraine than we will persuade our population later.

    Now there is a process of bloody education of the inhabitants of Ukraine by the US occupiers, the Nazis. Bloody education in them of patriotism.

    As in the Great Patriotic War, the soldiers had a motivation - revenge. Not only for the freedom of the Fatherland, but also the motivation for the burned house, the murdered family. This motivation is now being formed in Ukraine by the fact that the centers of cities have been seized by the Nazis and the Americans, who are shooting civilians. And thus they form in their brains an understanding of who is the occupier and who is the liberator,” the deputy summed up.
  5. AND Offline AND
    AND 6 March 2022 20: 57
    Quote: gunnerminer
    What forces and means to ensure the process of denazification? How to work with local youth? What to offer her? Filtration commissions and special courts will have to be organized.
    The most difficult will be the problem of reformatting the consciousness of pre-conscription youth, requiring new textbooks, programs and mentors capable of putting completely different values ​​into the minds of such youth. Such a program must be developed now and people must be prepared for their implementation. And here the horse did not roll. On what legal basis should these procedures be carried out and the perpetrators brought to justice? Who will deal with all this in Ukraine? Reveal Bandera?

    Do not miss "(his own)" past your ears. Special courts are for you, there will be euros for Bandera propagandists. The nonsense of your headquarters of Euro-American bots can be seen from a kilometer away. Whose Crimea? You are a patriot of what, whom? Why do you have everything always bad and only about the Russian Federation?
    1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 7 March 2022 04: 11
      Why do you have everything always bad and only about the Russian Federation?

      Well, maybe because Himler is an enemy of Russia?
      Why are you straining your intellect to find another reason, not so obvious?
    2. Avarron Offline Avarron
      Avarron (Sergei) 7 March 2022 10: 10
      Where did he misspelled in the quoted text? In this case, everything is correct. Leave your leavened jingoistic patriotism to the Ragul, who galloped, galloped and galloped.
  6. Andy27 Offline Andy27
    Andy27 (ANDREW) 6 March 2022 22: 48
    Something I don’t understand at all how, in principle, it is possible to carry out a “reformatting” of Ukraine. This requires to be an economically and socially attractive state, which the Russian Federation certainly does not seem to Ukraine for. The world is ruled by loot, if we offered them pensions and salaries of 1000 bucks, then, of course, everyone would gladly agree to forget Shukhevych and Bandera, well, except for the stubborn Westerners.
    1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 7 March 2022 04: 08
      For those who have no valuables other than money, let me remind you - in addition to the gingerbread, there is a whip.

      For especially stubborn people, the death penalty will be restored. Yes, and there are enough mines beyond the Urals.
      Russia has no need to buy the Galicia. It is more important to secure Russia.
      Those who do not want to live in peace with us will not live at all.
      Or will exist in the far North of Russia.
  7. The denazification of Ukraine is in full swing. The country is self-purifying on the machine. Who do you think, who are these one and a half million refugees abroad? These are Bendera people who are afraid of Russian justice! The documents of the SBU and the national battalions are already being raised, the cabinets of the TFR with criminal cases from 2014 are being opened. And when our grouping of troops, stationed in the west of Belarus, moves to Lvov, then 5 million impudent, boorish, redneck Westerners will pour into Europe. Already they will recoup for all the Maidan. And the "civilized" already have serious problems due to crossbows in the leg in the form of Russian sanctions: too expensive energy, a shortage of jobs, a lack of mineral fertilizers for the sowing season (and Moscow generally banned the export of fertilizers for the whole year), and therefore a serious rise in the price of food and life. And then such aikido from Putin! It turns out that in war, as in the theater, one must be able to pause. Our paratroopers are standing on the roads of Odessa, cities are surrounded with ukrovoyaks hiding in them. Ours are in no hurry to take them - the Bendera people are educating the population so that the Russians are met as liberators. Cynically? But fair.
  8. kriten Offline kriten
    kriten (Vladimir) 7 March 2022 16: 30
    Expectations were rosy, judged by the analysis of the supposed situation in Ukraine presented by sycophants. Today it has become clear to the authorities that everything is not at all like that. Judging by the fact that now - there has been a temporary confusion, they are gathering thoughts, and what to do next with the hostile population. Yes, and they analyze the mistakes, which turned out to be quite a few during the conduct and preparation of the operation.
    1. Valentine Offline Valentine
      Valentine (Valentin) 8 March 2022 10: 23
      There are not stupid people in our General Staff who have gone through more than one "hot spot", so they have a good idea of ​​​​what and how, otherwise you wanted it right away, with a cavalry swoop, and into kings. Washington has long known that Russia anyway, sooner or later, but will "persuade" Ukraine to peace, with its invasion, which he rang for almost half a year, and the Nazis managed to strengthen themselves and arm the army at the expense of our "partners", but .... our military took a different path, introducing our troops on a wide front, and not just on the front of the LDNR, where the main grouping of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the national battalions is concentrated. Kharkov is in complete blockade, Kyiv is surrounded, active battles are going on in the center of Mariupol, and the national battalions hastily flee from the city, not far off is the entrance of our troops to Odessa and their connection with Pridnestrovie, and there it’s not far to the border of 1939, and let the Poles deal with Galicia
  9. Xuli (o) Tebenado 10 March 2022 08: 50
    This, as Vladimir Ilyich used to say, is archival!

    And this is a wonderful example.
    Vladimir Ilyich never said or wrote such a thing. He wrote: "Archival."Архиважно

    The author studied "little by little, something and somehow ...".
  10. student1 Offline student1
    student1 (student1) 14 March 2022 10: 27
    Ideological work through all possible channels. Courts, voluntary-compulsory labor at the "construction sites of the century", a lifetime ban on a number of professions.