Who shot down a Romanian fighter and a helicopter on the border with Ukraine


One of the most important areas of attack of the Russian Defense Ministry during the operation to denazify Ukraine is the southwestern one. Russian troops are already in the Nikolaev and Odessa regions, gaining control over which means a strategic defeat for Kyiv due to the loss of access to the Black Sea. Thereafter economic the collapse of the Square becomes inevitable in any further scenario. By an amazing coincidence, it was here, in the south of the Odessa region, that very mysterious events unfolded in the last couple of days.


On the evening of March 2, 2022, the MiG-21 Lancer fighter of the Romanian Air Force took off from the 57th air base named after Mihail Kogalniceanu to conduct combat patrols along its borders, but after 13 minutes communication with it was lost. The details of the incident are unknown, but it is established that the Romanian combat aircraft definitely died. An IAR-330 Puma rescue helicopter was sent to search for the fighter, but 40 minutes after the takeoff, it also disappeared. Soon, the flaming wreckage of a rotorcraft was discovered on the coast. All seven people on board were killed.


Yes, the evening did not work out for the Romanian Air Force and Navy, which lost two aircraft at once with a difference of several hours. But then the most interesting begins. Is it a coincidence? Who is to blame for the death of a fighter jet and a rescue helicopter with all the people on board?

On this occasion, there are at least 3 versions that deserve some discussion.

First version. Bad weather


It is known for certain that the commander of the rescue helicopter managed to inform the base that the weather conditions in the search area were very difficult. The video of the burning wreckage of the IAR-330 Puma shows how strong the wind is. It is suggested that the commander could not cope with the control and catch on the blade of a nearby wind generator, which led to a further catastrophe with human casualties.

The version is quite plausible, but it does not explain the previous death of the fighter. It is unlikely that the Romanian Air Force MiG-21 Lancer flew at such a low altitude that it could hurt something. However, nothing can be ruled out.
Meanwhile, there are other hypotheses of what happened.

Second version. "Moscow" attacks?


As you know, the Russian Defense Ministry is currently conducting a large-scale military operation, which, in particular, involves taking control over the entire Sea of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbAzov and the Black Sea. The Russian Navy has concentrated in the Black Sea a large group of large landing ships (BDK), which is called upon to guard the flagship missile cruiser "Moskva". This well-armed Russian ship goes where it wants and does what is necessary, despite boorish advice to go to hell. The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, saving the lives of our marines, is not in a hurry to land troops on the coast. First, Russian aviation must identify and suppress all air defense systems, carriers of the Neptune anti-ship missiles, as well as the last Ukrainian combat aircraft.

Of course, the Ukrainian propagandists did not miss the opportunity to accuse the Russian side of destroying the Romanian aircraft. However, this theoretical assumption is completely refuted by practice.

At first, Romanian aircraft were destroyed over the border area of ​​Romania, not Ukraine. Russia has no interest in dragging a NATO member country into the conflict, so surely "Moscow" would take all measures to try to expel the MiG-21 Lancer by persuasion before resorting to extreme measures.

Secondly, if a Romanian fighter, and even more so a rescue helicopter, were destroyed by a "Russian ship", you can imagine what kind of hysteria would be raised in the West. The anti-Russian information campaign would receive maximum support, and the North Atlantic Alliance would have a wonderful opportunity to start acting actively against our country, up to military methods. However, this does not happen. I wonder why?

Third version. "Ukrainian anti-aircraft gunners"


Not far from Odessa, the 14th radio engineering brigade named after Bohdan Khmelnitsky of the Air Command "South" of the Ukrainian Air Force is located, and there are also three missile divisions of the S-300PS air defense system of the 160th anti-aircraft missile brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Apparently, they are not all destroyed yet. In addition, the so-called terodefenders had a lot of American-made Stinger MANPADS in their hands.

Considering the general level of their training, the assumption looks much more likely that they shot down a Soviet-made Romanian fighter, and then a rescue helicopter that flew to its rescue, mistaking it for Russian ones.

Undoubtedly, a place in Hell has long been prepared for Ukrainian anti-aircraft gunners, next to Ukrainian artillerymen. The gloomy silence of Bucharest on this issue is a very eloquent confirmation of this hypothesis. For Romanians, against the backdrop of the Russian operation on the territory of Ukraine, it is extremely unprofitable to recognize this fact, thereby substituting the “allied” Kyiv. In addition, it is very likely that the US and Europe asked Bucharest to turn a blind eye to this incident, perhaps even promising some kind of material compensation.
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  1. Bulanov Offline Bulanov
    Bulanov (Vladimir) 4 March 2022 15: 00
    +15
    First, NATO brought Stingers to Ukraine, and then they wonder why their plane and helicopter were shot down near Ukraine. The boys trained. Wait, more civilian aircraft will start shooting down in the EU. It is still brothers in arms from the Middle East who have not joined the war against the "evil capitalists." But when they cooperate with the national battalions, those who sow the wind will begin to reap the whirlwind.
  2. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 4 March 2022 15: 51
    +13
    At the end of the war, crowds of residents of the former Ukraine will pour into the EU. Among them there will be a large number of people with weapons and who know how to use them. And since these refugees will not have much work and money, and they will have very much envy, these "refugees" will begin to do justice as they understand it.
    I don't feel sorry for the Europeans. What they gave birth to, let them disentangle it.
    1. gorskova.ir Offline gorskova.ir
      gorskova.ir (Irina Gorskova) 9 March 2022 22: 04
      0
      Gushed. Germany is already excited.
  3. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
    gunnerminer (gunner miner) 4 March 2022 15: 58
    -23
    We just lacked the intervention of the Romanian military in combat and information operations. At sea, in the air, on land. If the Russian grouping consisted of 500-700 thousand military personnel, and were armed as they painted on the forums, it would be possible to act with such frightening methods.
    1. General Black Offline General Black
      General Black (Gennady) 4 March 2022 16: 47
      +7
      Do you doubt the capabilities of the Russian grouping, Rebbe Gunnerminer?
      1. potap6509 Offline potap6509
        potap6509 (Potapov Yuri) 4 March 2022 17: 47
        +11
        He doubts everywhere, the work is such, because the troll, that here, that on bmpd, there it is vines, otherwise they won’t pay money.
        1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
          gunnerminer (gunner miner) 4 March 2022 18: 07
          -14
          Only the mentally unstable have no doubts.
          1. General Black Offline General Black
            General Black (Gennady) 4 March 2022 20: 54
            +3
            Tell your favorite white camel about your mental instability.
    2. sgrabik Offline sgrabik
      sgrabik (Sergei) 4 March 2022 17: 34
      +1
      gunnerminer (gunnerminer), they fight not by number, but by skill, I hope you remember who said that.
      1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
        gunnerminer (gunner miner) 4 March 2022 18: 06
        -14
        Agree. But the skill must be supported by facts, and the wide use of the most modern technology. The Turks in Karabakh, in Idlib, UAVs and self-propelled guns used dozens. And not as the only Orion.
        1. Igor Aviator Offline Igor Aviator
          Igor Aviator (Igor Aviator) 4 March 2022 20: 40
          +8
          Quote: gunnerminer
          But the skill must be supported by facts, and the wide use of the most modern technology.

          Certainly! that is why NATO categorically "urinates" even to cough in the direction of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, and in particular - in the direction of a special operation. It is not for nothing that they categorically deny not only the possibility of intervention, but also deny even the theoretical possibility of "closing the sky" by NATO forces. Fully screwed up! Even the top NATO commanders recognize the backwardness of the NATO Armed Forces compared to the RF Armed Forces. True, they gain sanity and courage to say this after losing their financial dependence on NATO.
          1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
            gunnerminer (gunner miner) 5 March 2022 00: 11
            -10
            30 NATO countries are fighting with the hands of their mongrels. We fight with our elite - military personnel. NATO throws out expired weapons.

            Even the top NATO commanders recognize the backwardness of the NATO Armed Forces compared to the RF Armed Forces.

            laughing lol

            True, they gain sanity and courage to say this after losing their financial dependence on NATO.

            How to lose it if the captains of Russian business and economy live in NATO countries and have NATO citizenship!
    3. Valentine Offline Valentine
      Valentine (Valentin) 4 March 2022 18: 10
      +7
      And when you sleep, Gunnerminer, and then, if you don’t come home, you sit there.
      1. Dingo Offline Dingo
        Dingo (Victor) 5 March 2022 08: 41
        +2
        They have a brigade ... On a shift schedule ... laughing
    4. Igor Aviator Offline Igor Aviator
      Igor Aviator (Igor Aviator) 4 March 2022 20: 57
      +4
      Quote: gunnerminer
      If the Russian grouping consisted of 500-700 thousand military personnel, and were armed as they painted on the forums, it would be possible to act with such frightening methods.

      What for? If the set goals are quite possible to achieve with forces (for a moment:) equal, or even slightly smaller, to the grouping of Ukrainian forces, simply due to higher mobility, better equipment, armament and situational awareness. and most importantly - several orders of magnitude better leadership. Even in NATO, they note the highest quality of planning, incomparably implemented logistics and excellent implementation of the operation. Until now, according to the immutable rule of the successful implementation of an offensive operation, the concentration of forces was not less than 3-5 times greater than the enemy forces. And then - bam with equal forces - and there is no APU! All difficulties and losses are caused by the unconditional observance of the requirement to save the civilian population and infrastructure. By the way, the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are more than five times higher than the losses of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. At the same time, the losses of the National Corps and National Brigades are not taken into account and are not taken into account in view of the rule "Nazis should not be taken prisoner."
      1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
        gunnerminer (gunner miner) 5 March 2022 00: 26
        -11
        In order to achieve the goal with equal forces, it is necessary to surpass the enemy in reconnaissance, in weapons, in ammunition, in communications and control. Modern weapons and weapons, as can be seen from the news we have on the Army forum. The ESUTZ system is still not combat ready. It has been in use for 15 years. The deputy NGSH for communications is under investigation for falsified radio stations. Deputy GK VKS in the next cell, for the same wooden electronic warfare devices. Intelligence is frankly weak, especially military. There are no reconnaissance aircraft, AWACS and U aircraft, no electronic warfare aircraft. There are only two RTR Tu-214R aircraft for all military districts. The customer was never delivered. UAVs in scanty numbers. Impact UAVs are only two samples. And it should be 50, at least. There is nothing to support the landing of the Marine Corps from the sea. There is no strike aircraft. Planning is weak. Columns without protection and without helicopter escort, without technical short circuit. No columns means no logistics. There is no logistics, which means that the ammunition supply is lame, which means that the moderately wounded will be in the sanrote, in the medical battalion later than in 12 hours.
        Krasnopol shells of all modifications are not used, like Kitolov. And about the shooting
        they are out of the question with corrections from UAVs. Communication and combat control of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is not broken. Since the Aerospace Forces and the Navy have a modest stock of 3M14 missiles at their disposal.
        The Turks in Idlib and in Karabakh demonstrated a network-centric war. We show the war of the 70s.

        And then - bam with equal forces - and there is no APU

        Even after 8 days they did not reach Odessa, Lvov. They did not surround Kharkov, Odessa, and other large settlements. There is no APU, right?

        About the preservation of infrastructure, talk for pre-conscripts of the youngest age.
        We fought for more than 6 years against terrorism on the distant approaches. And Nazism suddenly appeared on the near approaches. Where did the GRU miss? There or here?
  4. boris epstein Offline boris epstein
    boris epstein (Boris) 4 March 2022 17: 10
    +3
    By plane. Version four. It could crash down simply because of its age. MiG-21s were used back in the 70s of the 20th century in Egypt and Vietnam. How old is he, the sufferer, then?
    1. potap6509 Offline potap6509
      potap6509 (Potapov Yuri) 4 March 2022 17: 54
      +1
      He (the plane) has a lot of modifications, we removed it in Russia in the year 94, probably, maybe I'm lying, he is still in service, mainly the Middle East, Africa, for spare parts, escort is still going on.
      1. boris epstein Offline boris epstein
        boris epstein (Boris) 4 March 2022 19: 36
        0
        Withdrawn from service in 1994. Total-28 (twenty-eight) years. Spare parts, spare parts, but the airframe itself? Moreover, according to the FAI rules, ONLY the manufacturer has the right to repair the aircraft, otherwise it will not be certified and will not be allowed to fly. And if the Romanians, without technical documentation and flaw detection equipment, repaired it themselves? You never know what they could screw up.
    2. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 4 March 2022 18: 54
      +3
      And the helicopter follows. The day is just like that.
      1. boris epstein Offline boris epstein
        boris epstein (Boris) 4 March 2022 19: 29
        +2
        The cause of the death of the helicopter could be one, the cause of the death of the aircraft could be completely different. Up to poor professional training of pilots and mistakes of meteorologists. .An example is a birch tree that “ran over” to the Polish plane with the government. Bashirov and Petrov were not yet there.
        1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
          Marzhecki (Sergei) 5 March 2022 06: 51
          0
          Well, I say. Such a bad day.
  5. Ash cat Offline Ash cat
    Ash cat 4 March 2022 17: 28
    +1
    There, it seems, something happened to the Estonian dry cargo ship ..
    1. Igor Aviator Offline Igor Aviator
      Igor Aviator (Igor Aviator) 4 March 2022 20: 27
      +3
      Quote: Ash cat
      There, it seems, something happened to the Estonian dry cargo ship ..

      Excuse me... The Chapel... I also... ruined it? (from) lol
      1. Dingo Offline Dingo
        Dingo (Victor) 5 March 2022 08: 47
        0
        Yes, yes ... and cut down the forest in the Sahara ... They cut it down together ... drinks
      2. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
        gunnerminer (gunner miner) 5 March 2022 14: 50
        -4
        You overslept the chapel. For 15 years. Now, in the context of sanctions and covid, you are making strong efforts to eliminate the consequences of innocence.
  6. Sr Sk Offline Sr Sk
    Sr Sk (Sr Sk) 5 March 2022 11: 57
    -1
    Again, storytellers appeared with their own versions. That serious analysts ran out to write on serious topics?
  7. shiva Offline shiva
    shiva (Ivan) 5 March 2022 13: 27
    0
    When will the matches be taken away from the skakuas?
    Which one is already in the account? Eighth, tenth, if together with two of our civilians, one Dutch, two Romanian military and a bunch of our own from friendly fire?