Arms supplies to Ukraine through Poland can lead to irreparable consequences


The European Union and the United States announced their intention to increase the volume of arms supplies to Ukraine. In the near future, the Armed Forces of Ukraine will receive new anti-tank systems, Stinger MANPADS, as well as combat aircraft - MiG-29 fighters and Su-25 attack aircraft from the air forces of the countries participating in the former Warsaw Pact. The weapons will arrive by plane to the territory of Poland, from where they will go by land transport across the Ukrainian border.


Obviously, in such a situation, the Russian military will not be able to remain inactive. Arriving caravans from Poland will be destroyed on the territory of Ukraine after crossing the state border by tactical aviation forces of the Aerospace Forces. However, this scenario gives rise to several theses.

Firstly, if NATO military personnel, for example, Polish ones, are driving trucks, they will inevitably die. Secondly, NATO can go on a provocation and drag the destroyed transport to the territory of Poland, presenting the situation in such a way that Russian planes allegedly hit a convoy outside Ukraine.

Such scenarios could trigger Article 5 of the NATO Charter on Collective Defense. The consequences of such a course of events can become irreparable. It may not come to a large-scale nuclear conflict, but a local clash on the territory of Ukraine between the Western military bloc and Russia is quite possible.

For example, NATO can announce the closure of airspace over at least part of the country, gaining the ability to deliver weapons to the same Lviv by air, and thereby minimizing the possibility of destroying military cargo before it is transferred to the Armed Forces of Ukraine. How Russia will react to such a step is anyone's guess.
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  1. Krapilin Offline Krapilin
    Krapilin (Victor) 28 February 2022 18: 08
    0
    NATO members need it in plain text - and with the indication of borders! – to propose the division of Ukraine, as was the case with the partitions of Poland…
    1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 28 February 2022 18: 34
      -7
      They reject all offers.
      1. Krapilin Offline Krapilin
        Krapilin (Victor) 28 February 2022 18: 40
        -3
        Was it really such a proposal?
        1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
          gunnerminer (gunner miner) 28 February 2022 18: 52
          -6
          Read the news from the end of November 2021.
          1. Krapilin Offline Krapilin
            Krapilin (Victor) 28 February 2022 18: 54
            0
            Where to read? What to read? You can be more specific, please, specifically on the division of Ukraine - who, to whom, when, in what form, and so on ... The news that the cars have accumulated during this time ...
            1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
              gunnerminer (gunner miner) 28 February 2022 19: 03
              -5
              The Russian Foreign Ministry put forward proposals to NATO on a non-aligned state of Ukraine. The answer was negative.
              1. Bakht Offline Bakht
                Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 28 February 2022 19: 20
                +2
                There were no proposals on the division of Ukraine from Russia.
                1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                  gunnerminer (gunner miner) 28 February 2022 19: 28
                  -9
                  The DNR and LNR were separated de facto.
                  1. Bakht Offline Bakht
                    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 28 February 2022 19: 29
                    +6
                    Again. Even now, there have been no proposals on the division of Ukraine from the Russian side.
                    1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 28 February 2022 19: 35
                      -10
                      Not everything is documented.
                      1. Bakht Offline Bakht
                        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 28 February 2022 19: 40
                        +6
                        But of course they told you.
                  2. Krapilin Offline Krapilin
                    Krapilin (Victor) 28 February 2022 19: 40
                    0
                    Yes, this is absolutely accurate and not even discussed.
                    1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 28 February 2022 19: 46
                      -10
                      This is not a meeting of the NATO expert council and not a collegium of the Ministry of Defense.
                2. Krapilin Offline Krapilin
                  Krapilin (Victor) 28 February 2022 19: 34
                  0
                  It is necessary to offer: whoever is behind lace underpants - line up to the west; who is in the Russian World - line up to the east. Like in Korea. Only in the East - Novorossia and Little Russia, and in the West - let them at least call it something ....
                  1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                    gunnerminer (gunner miner) 28 February 2022 19: 51
                    -13
                    The Ukrainian population opposed the outrageous theft. But he was redirected to Russia. They wanted to work as laborers in the EU, for a normal salary. And it turned out how. Beneficiaries USA and China. Instead of spending money on the modernization of enterprises, aviation, fleet, we will spend on an operation that will last at least 10 years. And the People's Republic of China has received the broadest opportunities to dispose of our natural resources. Erdogan quietly grins in the corner, looking at the state of our ground forces, aviation, and navy.
                    1. Krapilin Offline Krapilin
                      Krapilin (Victor) 28 February 2022 20: 02
                      +2
                      Erdogan smirks quietly!? And what, he can say something menacing to Moscow? The Ukrainian population came out on the Maidan against the outrageous theft? So after the Maidan, it received the same theft, only "cubed". 10 years? And what, in the South-East there are no enterprises that will be useful for Russia? Etc…
                      1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                        gunnerminer (gunner miner) 28 February 2022 20: 05
                        -11
                        Erdogan got into Georgia with money, and into the South Caucasus by force. Turkey has not left NATO. In the Southeast, the collapse of the economy. To restore the enterprise, funds and specialists are needed. who fled. We have nothing to offer the Ukrainians, we have thieves in stock for 50 years.
                      2. Krapilin Offline Krapilin
                        Krapilin (Victor) 28 February 2022 20: 20
                        0
                        You might think that in Europe they do not steal? And who told you that there are no "industry" specialists in the South-East? If you were told this and you believed, then you were seriously deceived. The South-East was the industry of the Ukrainian SSR. Now there will be the industry of Little Russia.
                      3. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                        gunnerminer (gunner miner) 28 February 2022 22: 57
                        -5
                        In the EU, they steal in such a way that Serdyukov and Colonel Zakharchenko cannot be stolen in 20 years. But at the same time, they do not forget about shipbuilding, about the aircraft industry, about the Armed Forces and about healthcare. There is no more industry in the East of Ukraine. Restoring it will require funds and personnel. Which are not.
                      4. alexey alexeyev_2 (Alexey Alekseev) 1 March 2022 04: 51
                        0
                        Come on, lie then. In our village every Saturday, traders from the Donbass come to the market. They sell refrigerators, televisions, washing. machines. Electrical goods.. We started to deliver grubs tongue
                      5. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                        gunnerminer (gunner miner) 1 March 2022 09: 32
                        -5
                        They trade in stolen humanitarian aid.
                      6. alexey alexeyev_2 (Alexey Alekseev) 1 March 2022 17: 43
                        0
                        I would have kept quiet. I would have gone smart
                  2. Krapilin Offline Krapilin
                    Krapilin (Victor) 1 March 2022 09: 45
                    0
                    Armed forces? Today, unlike in the 17th, 18th or 19th century, NOT ANY OF THE European countries IS ABLE TO INDEPENDENTLY fight against Russia. And they can’t even “in a heap” ...
                    Shipbuilding? Who in the world today, except Russia, is able to build a nuclear icebreaker fleet?
                    The medicine? In the EU, its quality for a patient completely depends on the thickness of the wallet of this patient - it does not represent any social paradise for EU citizens as a whole. In addition, the level of medicine in the EU polarly differs on a "regional basis": one thing, for example, Germany and a completely different thing, for example, Portugal.
                    The EU is not milky rivers along the jelly banks that you dream about in your dreams. There their problems - through the roof. And immigrants strengthen them every day ...
                  3. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                    gunnerminer (gunner miner) 1 March 2022 11: 28
                    -5
                    Armed forces? Today, unlike in the 17th, 18th or 19th century, NOT ANY OF THE European countries IS ABLE TO INDEPENDENTLY fight against Russia. And they can’t even “in a heap” ...

                    Because the United States and drove them into NATO.

                    Shipbuilding? Who in the world today, except Russia, is able to build a nuclear icebreaker fleet?

                    Now nobody. Except the Finns. Part of the nuclear icebreakers of the USSR and Russia were built in Finland. The disadvantage of icebreakers is their narrow specialization. They do not carry goods in commercial quantities. Especially general cargo, containers, liquid cargo. Income is generated by maritime trade, based on the operation of container ships, tankers, car carriers, bulk carriers. Russia does not produce them. Tankers (oil, gas carriers, chemical carriers) under construction, with the help of South Korean welders, technicians, engineers. Approximately 200 people at the Zvezda plant in Primorye. There is no export of these new buildings.
                    The unsuccessful health care reform in Russia has lowered the level to the European one.

                    The EU is not milky rivers along the jelly banks that you dream about in your dreams. There their problems - through the roof. And immigrants strengthen them every day ...

                    We have even more problems in a day than in the EU. The United States and China benefit.
                  4. Krapilin Offline Krapilin
                    Krapilin (Victor) 1 March 2022 11: 35
                    0
                    To drive away does not mean to fight ...
                    How many icebreakers has Finland built on "OWN" nuclear reactors?
                    The issue of transportation, if they bring benefits, is closed by freight.
                    When interest, for example, in transportation decreases or closes, then the freight ends or is curtailed. The ships are put on the "joke". As it was with a huge fishing trawler fleet built for the USSR in the same Poland. And the Polish shipyards "lay down" ...
                    Over the course of the day, EVERYONE had more problems ...
                  5. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                    gunnerminer (gunner miner) 1 March 2022 11: 54
                    -5
                    War takes many forms. In the DRA, NATO successfully demonstrated one of these forms. Together with China. Most of the weapons were supplied by the PRC, along with advisers.

                    The reactors were not Finnish. The operation of the Northern Sea Route has lost its relevance. There was no queue of foreign shipowners until February 25.02.2022, XNUMX, due to the high cost of navigation, and now there will be even more so.

                    As it was with a huge fishing trawler fleet built for the USSR in the same Poland. And the Polish shipyards "lay down" ...

                    The fishing fleet of the USSR and Russia was not stolen by the Poles. At the Stochnia Zatoka shipyards in Gdansk, up to 20 Russian ships are repaired annually (trawlers homeport Murmansk, bulk carriers of the Cola Shipping company). They even bring tankers under the US flag. In May 2009, I saw Russian former scientists "Akademik Berg" and "Akademik Ioffe" there. Russian civil ship repair does not justify the hopes of shipowners. Ships have been repaired for years, very expensive. More expensive than at the Norwegian shipyards Kimek or Kverner. Therefore, the Union of Fishermen of the North bases and repairs its vessels in Norway, in Kirkenes, in Tromso.
                    Polish shipyards have lost Soviet and Russian orders for new buildings. Went to repair. They repair, among other things, gas carriers of such shipowners as Synergy (Italy) and Anthony Veder (Netherlands). Moreover, complex gas carriers - ethylene carriers. The temperature of the cargo being transported is minus 103 Celsius.
                  6. Krapilin Offline Krapilin
                    Krapilin (Victor) 1 March 2022 14: 08
                    0
                    Here you yourself "answer" everything yourself - for the economy today is a "mutual" and "multi-vector" thing. And sometimes different countries sit on the same logistics and production "bitch" ...
                  7. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                    gunnerminer (gunner miner) 1 March 2022 23: 08
                    -4
                    Russia is alone. He doesn't even have reliable companions. Thanks MFA.
                  8. Krapilin Offline Krapilin
                    Krapilin (Victor) 2 March 2022 09: 03
                    0
                    Yes, Russia is one. Millennia. So what? And why does Russia need treacherous fellow travelers when it has two of the most reliable allies: its Army and its Navy?
                  9. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                    gunnerminer (gunner miner) 2 March 2022 10: 38
                    -4
                    Why did you recently seriously reduce the army and navy?
  2. Valery B. Offline Valery B.
    Valery B. (Valery Bogo) 1 March 2022 21: 12
    0
    Erdogan shits in diapers and compares his operation with Russian
  • svoroponov Offline svoroponov
    svoroponov (Vyacheslav) 28 February 2022 23: 03
    +2
    The Ukrainian population did not oppose the theft. If they did, then please tell us where and when.
    A Ukrainian in life is a kurkul, which means greedy, ,, if I give it, I’ll bite it ,,. I studied there for 4 years with Ukrainians and I know this audience very well. But this was still under the USSR, and during independence, their unbearable character unfolded in full breadth. I have distant relatives there, they asked us to have children in the summer in Russia, it was in 2000, they stayed. Two more weeks was enough for the rest of my life. Nothing has improved in their character since the times of the USSR. They also decided to rob us upon departure. Simply, knowing such an audience from this country, I checked and seized this thing.
    1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 28 February 2022 23: 31
      -7
      If they performed, then please tell us where and when.

      Read the news of the Russian media of those years. You have suffered greatly from the characters of the Ukrainians.
  • Fourth Horseman Offline Fourth Horseman
    Fourth Horseman (Fourth Horseman) 1 March 2022 06: 50
    -1
    As usual, but Katz offers to surrender.
    Ugh. Slime.
    1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 1 March 2022 09: 33
      -6
      Nice to meet you. Too much self-criticism.
    2. Fourth Horseman Offline Fourth Horseman
      Fourth Horseman (Fourth Horseman) 1 March 2022 14: 40
      -1
      Also a shooter. Like a schoolboy.
  • Piramidon Offline Piramidon
    Piramidon (Stepan) 1 March 2022 10: 38
    +2
    gunnerminer, why do you always say "we", "our", but do not explain "our" - is it whose, NATO or Ukrainian? "We" - who is this, Svidomo lads or snotty bulks? You explain.
    1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 1 March 2022 11: 32
      -6
      We, ours, because a Russian citizen living in the Leningrad region. We are Russians with you. under the same social conditions. Perhaps soon we will wear one uniform, and ride in one BMP, or in an armored personnel carrier.
    2. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 1 March 2022 23: 19
      -4
      Who to explain? Pre-conscripts? "Warriors" grandmother? Didn't hold a plastic AK?
  • Krapilin Offline Krapilin
    Krapilin (Victor) 28 February 2022 19: 30
    0
    Yes, not a bloc - this is already yesterday, because "unitary" Ukraine is already on the verge of collapse. More precisely, it is already being destroyed ... The only question is how to properly break it up territorially so as not to quarrel with "partners", and wipe this formation from history ...
    1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 28 February 2022 19: 43
      -10
      The collapse of Ukraine will only add to the problems of the Russian population. In Ukraine, there may even be Somalia. The political leadership will sit in Lvov (and then in Warsaw), and talk about the partisan war, and about the atrocities against the occupiers. If the Government of Russia creates some kind of collaborationist "government of the federal Ukrainian republic", the territory of Ukraine will be a war zone. Since no one will recognize the "Assad government". And Zelensky in exile will enter both NATO and the EU, and then military assistance will be provided legally. And if the Westerners connect their electronic warfare and drones (which they will sell to the "Ukrainian government in exile"), then the Russian army will have a hard time. What is Putin to threaten with a red button?
      The USSR lost Afghanistan in such a situation. And Russia is not as united as the Soviet population, its military-industrial complex is only a fragment of the Soviet one.
      1. Krapilin Offline Krapilin
        Krapilin (Victor) 28 February 2022 19: 53
        0
        What are the problems for the Russian population, if in the western regions - Rivne, Volyn, Ivano-Frankivsk, Lvov and other "a la Bandera" - which is not there? Yes, even if the Poles and Hungarians thin them out - it would be nice. The problem will be in keeping Ukraine within its current borders - without the LPR and DPR - with the signing of some documents “about non-NATO” there. And what about Assad? Each case is a case in itself. BORDER. What kind of drones? What kind of war? A lot of war between the same Koreas?
        1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
          gunnerminer (gunner miner) 28 February 2022 19: 58
          -8
          What are the problems for the Russian population, if in the western regions - Rivne, Volyn, Ivano-Frankivsk, Lvov and other "a la Bandera" - which is not there?

          The consequences of economic sanctions will set back the level of consumption of the Russian population by about 40 years. Well, if it does not reach the program - Oil and gas for medicines and food. Like for Iraq. Assad as a fresh example.
          Peace between the Koreas is maintained by US troops in Okinawa and within Korea. Both Koreas are recognized by the UN. With Ukraine, this number will not work.
          With UAVs, we have the same thing.
          1. Krapilin Offline Krapilin
            Krapilin (Victor) 28 February 2022 20: 15
            0
            Well, for now, BLA-BLA is from you. Has the queue at the pharmacy already taken to change bread for valerian? If, in your understanding, modern Russia is the level of Iraq in the time of Hussein, then why such a weak comparison? Let's start with the Time of Troubles in 1613...
            If the Americans are "supporting" South Korea so that the North, like, does not hooligan, then why did you decide that Russia would not prop up Little Russia so that the Ivano-Frankivsk principality would not hooligan? If you personally are already scared - then the world is great - welcome to all four sides. Or do you want to scare me? So empty chores, because the “analyst in horror” of you is just as terrible, only “in terms of the quality of frightening” ...
          2. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
            gunnerminer (gunner miner) 28 February 2022 22: 54
            -6
            NATO will try to bring Russia to the level of Iraq, the times of S. Hussein. Russia will have more important problems than help from the LDNR.
          3. Krapilin Offline Krapilin
            Krapilin (Victor) 1 March 2022 09: 47
            0
            Is this your daily prayer?
    2. Avarron Offline Avarron
      Avarron (Sergei) 28 February 2022 20: 13
      -2
      This time he says everything correctly, it seems. Ze will flee to Poland and remain the legitimate president of Ukraine, which NATO countries recognize within its current borders, including the LDNR.
      He will calmly submit an application to NATO on behalf of all of Ukraine, and judging by current events, he will receive a consensus. And then Article 5 of the NATO Charter automatically turns on and Russia finds itself in a state of war with the bloc, which, in the course of several years of Ze’s being in exile, will accumulate forces and reserves.
      As I said, Putin now has no option other than a single space from Lisbon to Vladivostok.
      1. Krapilin Offline Krapilin
        Krapilin (Victor) 28 February 2022 21: 02
        0
        NATO can recognize anything - this is the first thing. Although the life of NATO allies on Mars ...
        Secondly, who told you that NATO is seeking war with Russia because of the recognition/retention of Zelensky as a legitimate president?
        Thirdly, Russia is still at war with Japan, as the "successor" of the USSR. So what?
        Fourthly, NATO also has no options but to divide Ukraine. The only question is HOW to share.
        Fifth, if Russia leaves Ukraine along with the LPR and DPR, who will restore the infrastructure and drag this suitcase without a handle? And when he leaves, he will warn that any movement to build up military potential will be stopped by Caliber in places of such buildup - pointwise and selectively.
        Sixthly, the public flogging of today's Ukraine is a demonstration of the fact that it will be possible to flog Europe in the same way by adding - for control - tactical nuclear weapons.
        Seventh, so far from NATO, as a military bloc, so far there are only sounds. Where are you doing?
        Eighth, don't confuse NATO with the economy of a united West as a means of putting pressure on Russia. But the whole economy is now transnational. And the angle of incidence (pressure) is equal to the angle of reflection (self-pressure-in-the-reverse-side).
      2. akarfoxhound Offline akarfoxhound
        akarfoxhound 1 March 2022 00: 12
        0
        I would also add - when is the presidential election in Banderstadt? Something he can’t be an eternal exile
      3. Krapilin Offline Krapilin
        Krapilin (Victor) 1 March 2022 08: 54
        0
        And there will be no more presidential elections in "unitary" Ukraine - part of the territories of the South-East under the patronage of Russia begins to "federalize", which is the final point of the demilitarization and denazification operation.
      4. akarfoxhound Offline akarfoxhound
        akarfoxhound 1 March 2022 11: 32
        0
        I'm talking about the duration of Zelibobik's legitimacy, even under the old conditions
      5. Krapilin Offline Krapilin
        Krapilin (Victor) 1 March 2022 14: 10
        0
        The conditions are completely different. This must be comprehended. Another RE-AL-NESS came on February 24, 2022. And many "patterns of the past" are no longer relevant ...
  • zzdimk Offline zzdimk
    zzdimk 28 February 2022 18: 24
    +1
    Somewhere there were footage of the use of the "sun". It can be reviewed - after it, DNA cannot be determined.
    1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 28 February 2022 18: 33
      -14
      CBT did not show itself on the Syrian bridgehead. Especially if the enemy has created high-quality engineering structures.
      1. Dart2027 Offline Dart2027
        Dart2027 28 February 2022 18: 50
        +1
        Quote: gunnerminer
        Especially if the enemy has created high-quality engineering structures.

        And it is not intended for this, but to cover the column on the road - that's it, nothing will remain.
        1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
          gunnerminer (gunner miner) 28 February 2022 18: 54
          -10
          TOS was created to destroy zones contaminated with biological munitions. While the complexes are delivered to positions, deployed, prepared, the columns will have time to escape. The firing range is scanty - 6 km. Installations require protection of at least a battalion, if damaged by fragments and bullets, they are unsafe for calculations.
          1. Bakht Offline Bakht
            Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 28 February 2022 19: 22
            0
            Designed to disable lightly armored and automotive vehicles, set fire to and destroy structures and buildings, destroy enemy manpower located in open areas and in fortifications, fragments, a shock wave created on the target area during the massive use of unguided rockets in thermobaric and smoke-incendiary equipment.
            1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
              gunnerminer (gunner miner) 28 February 2022 19: 31
              -10
              On the Syrian bridgehead, did not learn how to implement

              terrain and in fortifications, fragments, shock wave

              Engineering structures were widely used by opposition groups. They were destroyed by other means. And the maximum range of 6 km makes it difficult to covertly deploy TOC to strike.
          2. kapitan92 Offline kapitan92
            kapitan92 (Vyacheslav) 28 February 2022 20: 51
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            Quote: gunnerminer
            TOS was created to destroy zones contaminated with biological munitions.

            Appointment TOS-2 Tosochka
            The combat use of the new flamethrower system is the destruction of tunnels, caves, field fortifications, buildings, bunkers using shells with a thermobaric or incendiary warhead.

            Quote: gunnerminer
            While the complexes are delivered to positions, deployed, prepared, the columns will have time to escape

            laughing Do you think they are trailed or on a cart?

            Quote: gunnerminer
            The firing range is scanty - 6 km.

            It is quite enough to turn 1 hectares into dust in 30 salvo - 7 seconds. The latest modification of shots 10km.

            Quote: gunnerminer
            Installations require protection of at least a battalion, if damaged by fragments and bullets, they are unsafe for calculations.

            This is total bullshit! hi
            1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
              gunnerminer (gunner miner) 28 February 2022 23: 01
              -8
              The combat use of the new flamethrower system is the destruction of tunnels, caves, field fortifications, buildings, bunkers using projectiles with a thermobaric or incendiary warhead

              In practice, it did not work out against a mobile and strong enemy.

              Do you think they are trailed or on a cart?

              Only on perfectly level ground. If the container has a slight slope, the projectile does not fly towards the enemy.

              It is quite enough to turn 1 hectares into dust in 30 salvo - 7 seconds. The latest modification of shots 10km.

              Tell pre-conscripts of younger age. In a lesson in courage. In the former ATS, this method of firing did not work.
              1. kapitan92 Offline kapitan92
                kapitan92 (Vyacheslav) 1 March 2022 21: 02
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                Quote: gunnerminer
                Tell pre-conscripts of younger age.

                I tell you, you are on the same level with them!
          3. Dart2027 Offline Dart2027
            Dart2027 1 March 2022 07: 45
            0
            Quote: gunnerminer
            While the complexes are delivered to positions, deployed, prepared, the columns will have time to escape.

            There are not so many roads along which these columns can be led, so an ambush can be organized.
            1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
              gunnerminer (gunner miner) 1 March 2022 09: 13
              -7
              Too bulky objects to quickly and covertly organize ambushes. To do this, you need to have a combat-ready ESUTZ system, the ability to receive and display information on maps in the battalion in real time.
              1. Dart2027 Offline Dart2027
                Dart2027 1 March 2022 14: 42
                0
                To do this, you need to have maps and normal intelligence.
      2. Bakht Offline Bakht
        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 28 February 2022 19: 26
        +2
        You were there? Share a photo or link

        especially successfully, a heavy flamethrower was used against terrorists who had settled in underground shelters

        https://rg.ru/2018/05/18/voennye-rasskazali-ob-opyte-primeneniia-solncepeka-v-sirii.html
        1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
          gunnerminer (gunner miner) 28 February 2022 19: 33
          -11
          This source has nothing to do with military personnel who visited the former SAR. Underground shelters and other engineering structures were destroyed by other means.
          1. Bakht Offline Bakht
            Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 28 February 2022 19: 40
            +2
            This source provides information

            on the former head of the headquarters of the Russian group in Syria, Alexander Lapin

            You don't provide any links at all. Except for myself, my love.
            1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
              gunnerminer (gunner miner) 28 February 2022 19: 45
              -10
              Links do not fight. And people. If TOS would have been, as RG says, the war in the former SAR would have ended by the spring of 2017.
      3. svoroponov Offline svoroponov
        svoroponov (Vyacheslav) 28 February 2022 22: 47
        0
        In mountainous and wooded areas he worked for URA. It’s just that there are few of them in service in Syria, only a few pieces. And the range of fire did not exceed 6 km. Now it is already working at 9 km and on tests - a new ammunition - up to 16 km. In addition, they, the slippers, fell in love with tunnels at a decent depth, but they couldn’t be reached from the TOS there .. Therefore, they used the TU-204 with special equipment to probe and identify these tunnels and with the help of concrete-piercing bombs or high-precision projectiles at the exits, turned them into brotherly graves.
        1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
          gunnerminer (gunner miner) 28 February 2022 23: 29
          -7
          Didn't work as expected. At the slightest slope of the launcher, the shells did not fly in the direction of the enemy. An attempt to use TOS during the assault on the village of Kosmomolskoye in 2000 did not produce results. As always, the infantry went to the machine guns.

          Therefore, TU-204 was used with special equipment for probing and identifying these tunnels

          A fable for dummies.

          The fact is that these vehicles are quite vulnerable: you need to get quite close to fire a salvo, and the ammunition load cannot be completely secured - an enemy attack on the Sunshine with fire from rapid-fire cannons or grenade launchers can lead to spontaneous firing of rockets, which means crazy damage to your own parts.

          That is why the combat units in which the Pinocchio was armed had the strictest order: to enter the firing line only accompanied by tanks and leave the position as quickly as possible after the shot. And the side guides, three on each side, were usually left unloaded in order to somehow protect the ammunition load ...
      4. akarfoxhound Offline akarfoxhound
        akarfoxhound 1 March 2022 00: 17
        0
        In fact, vacuum is imprisoned for opening engineering structures. It is ineffective only in high altitude conditions - rarefied air. It was our ODABs in Afghanistan who smoked spirits from pillboxes. If in the mountains - just a cracker effect
        1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
          gunnerminer (gunner miner) 1 March 2022 09: 35
          -6
          In the DRA, military personnel were engaged in smoking.
          1. akarfoxhound Offline akarfoxhound
            akarfoxhound 1 March 2022 11: 30
            +1
            And my dad, as part of the 200 OSHAE from Bagram on the Su-25, turns out to be the ODAB spirits in the same Bamiyan processed as a civilian castle commander? Interesting interpretation of the story, even funny
            1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
              gunnerminer (gunner miner) 1 March 2022 11: 35
              -6
              Hiding behind older relatives is the lot of pre-conscripts. You are discussing something about which you have not even a remote idea. According to the text.
              1. akarfoxhound Offline akarfoxhound
                akarfoxhound 1 March 2022 16: 02
                +2
                Those. there is nothing to say, judging by your text.
                It's not for you to judge the performances - definitely! And this is your lot.
                And you are a pre-conscript or not - on the side!
                And I understand combat aviation in any way better than your person. Not only my father, but also I have already served as a front-line aviation pilot to the "limit", with a considerable level and experience.
                And for your hurt ego, so as not to rebuild the frequencies of your "combat" working wave - complain to the grandmothers at the entrance, they will accept and understand wink
                1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                  gunnerminer (gunner miner) 1 March 2022 23: 15
                  -4
                  Ring "medals" too loudly. Pilots flying from "landing" to "landing".
                  1. akarfoxhound Offline akarfoxhound
                    akarfoxhound 2 March 2022 13: 41
                    0
                    You would decide on your own little head, then someone else's opinion of the "older relative" does not suit you, then the personal one is too "medal". Peace to your mind while smelling your own ego wink
  • gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
    gunnerminer (gunner miner) 28 February 2022 18: 31
    -10
    Obviously, in such a situation, the Russian military will not be able to remain inactive. The nailing caravans from Poland will be destroyed on the territory of Ukraine after crossing the state border by the tactical aviation of the Aerospace Forces.

    With the absence of reconnaissance aircraft and heavy UAVs, it will be impossible to open these caravans. OKSVA's experience in the DRA has been abandoned. And recently, all GRU special forces brigades have been reduced.
  • Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
    Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 28 February 2022 18: 40
    0
    Afraid of wolves - do not go to the forest.
    Risk is part of a successful strategy on the battlefield. The possibility of provocations and other obstacles should not block the road to victory over the enemy
    1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 28 February 2022 19: 00
      -8
      When the risk is not secured by anything, as during the storming of Grozny, the result is doubtful, there are many useless victims, and the rating of politicians drops sharply. Especially when the attackers are in the minority, and armed with not the most modern weapons. China and the United States, having overwhelmed the Mujahideen DShK, ZGU, MANPADS, nullified the efforts of the crews of attack and army aviation. OKSVA was forced to involve Long-Range Aviation (Tu-16, Tu-22M3), Luna OTRK crews in strikes. Which led to the mass death of civilians.
  • Mikhail L. Offline Mikhail L.
    Mikhail L. 28 February 2022 18: 53
    +1
    ...To be afraid of wolves - do not go into the forest!
    ... Did V. Putin not warn about the inadmissibility of interference in a conflict situation?
  • AND Offline AND
    AND 28 February 2022 19: 10
    +3
    Quote: gunnerminer
    When the risk is not secured by anything, as during the storming of Grozny, the result is doubtful, there are many useless victims, and the rating of politicians drops sharply. Especially when the attackers are in the minority, and armed with not the most modern weapons. China and the United States, having overwhelmed the Mujahideen DShK, ZGU, MANPADS, nullified the efforts of the crews of attack and army aviation. OKSVA was forced to involve Long-Range Aviation (Tu-16, Tu-22M3), Luna OTRK crews in strikes. Which led to the mass death of civilians.

    Brevity, the sister talent of the euro propagandist. The risk is not guaranteed, as during the flight of America from Afghanistan. Your strong point, the main thing is to escape in time.
    1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 1 March 2022 09: 15
      -6
      OKSVA also fled, in February 1989. Moreover, unlike the Americans, he did not leave hundreds of prisoners with the local population.
  • Vladimir Daetoya (Vladimir Daetoya) 28 February 2022 19: 31
    +3
    If NATO had the desire to attack Russia, they would not expect provocations. For a long time they have not hovered over the facts, but simply come up with them and publish them to the whole world, and the UN takes them at face value.
  • dub0vitsky Offline dub0vitsky
    dub0vitsky (Victor) 28 February 2022 19: 42
    0
    Every question has a built-in answer. This means that you need to bomb at some distance from the border, and guard the approaches, preventing the broken ones from being dragged abroad. For example, at a distance of 50 km, this will no longer be possible. And the tool designed for such work is easy to distinguish and destroy too.
  • dub0vitsky Offline dub0vitsky
    dub0vitsky (Victor) 28 February 2022 19: 43
    0
    Quote: Mikhail L.
    ...To be afraid of wolves - do not go into the forest!
    ... Did V. Putin not warn about the inadmissibility of interference in a conflict situation?

    Yes. Be afraid of wolves - do not drink vodka with wolves.
  • dub0vitsky Offline dub0vitsky
    dub0vitsky (Victor) 28 February 2022 19: 47
    0
    Quote: gunnerminer
    Obviously, in such a situation, the Russian military will not be able to remain inactive. The nailing caravans from Poland will be destroyed on the territory of Ukraine after crossing the state border by the tactical aviation of the Aerospace Forces.


    With the absence of reconnaissance aircraft and heavy UAVs, it will be impossible to open these caravans. OKSVA's experience in the DRA has been abandoned. And recently, all GRU special forces brigades have been reduced.

    Caravans can be destroyed without looking into the car body. A couple of pieces, and the rumor will stop the movement of civilian cargo. Risk takers are potential arms carriers. And there is nothing to mess with them. Dreamed of a Russian invasion? How long have they been trending about this? Dreams come true, so you need to dream wisely too. Not everything is possible, without consequences.
    1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 28 February 2022 19: 54
      -9
      Caravans can also be launched from Romania, from Slovakia, from Hungary.

      Caravans can be destroyed without looking into the body of a car

      Why don't we follow such a path in the former SAR? It was the same in the DRA.
  • innuendo.od Offline innuendo.od
    innuendo.od (Slav Slavych) 28 February 2022 21: 18
    0
    There, everything around will be so plowed up that there will be nothing to "drag away".
  • Hayer31 Offline Hayer31
    Hayer31 (Kashchei) 28 February 2022 21: 39
    +1
    On this occasion, they say the wolf is afraid of the forest, do not go, or the best citizens (Russian soldiers) will be killed with this weapon
  • akarfoxhound Offline akarfoxhound
    akarfoxhound 1 March 2022 00: 22
    +2
    Quote: gunnerminer
    And recently, all GRU special forces brigades have been reduced.

    Hello, but in our city the men do not even know that they are not! They foolishly with this bright name are still traveling - wherever the Motherland sends ... repeat
    1. faiver Offline faiver
      faiver (Andrei) 1 March 2022 01: 24
      +2
      you listen to him (read) more, he will tell you something else, his middle name is Hans Christian Andersen ...
    2. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 1 March 2022 09: 16
      -6
      The GRU detachment sharply differs in size, composition of weapons, the set of tasks to be solved, the communications system, and the brigade. For the worse.
  • Dust Offline Dust
    Dust (Sergei) 1 March 2022 06: 08
    +2
    He laughed heartily.
  • Probkin Vasya Offline Probkin Vasya
    Probkin Vasya (Hole Vasya) 1 March 2022 07: 44
    +1
    it is necessary to warn and shoot down everything that carries weapons to Ukraine
  • Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 1 March 2022 08: 11
    0
    With the statements made by NATO representatives, it is possible and necessary to destroy aircraft and other equipment where it is now. In particular, destroy aircraft at airfields in Bulgaria, Romania, Poland, etc.

    And let Europe think - is the former Ukraine worth a nuclear war?
    It just doesn't make sense to wait and be afraid of an aggravation. NATO makes its move - Russia must adequately respond.

    Common sense says that enemies should be destroyed wherever possible.
    Borders shouldn't get in the way.
    Considerations of legality should not interfere. We've been outlaws for a long time.
    Europe should be afraid of us. In the meantime, she is sure that she does not risk anything and her hands are untied.

    Impunity - corrupts.
    1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 1 March 2022 09: 18
      -7
      With the statements made by NATO representatives, it is possible and necessary to destroy aircraft and other equipment where it is now. In particular, destroy aircraft at airfields in Bulgaria, Romania, Poland, etc.

      Is the intestine thin? Not finished with the APU? Are there enough means and forces for delivery? Who reduced strike aviation divisions in 2000-2012? Zelensky or Bondarev?
  • kriten Offline kriten
    kriten (Vladimir) 1 March 2022 09: 42
    0
    We have planes. It is necessary to bomb without waiting for unloading.
  • Marjane Offline Marjane
    Marjane (Marian) 1 March 2022 09: 47
    0
    Quote: Bakht
    Again. Even now, there have been no proposals on the division of Ukraine from the Russian side.

    Our people have publicly stated that they are not going to lead the country and the Ukrainians themselves will determine which country to be part of. But perhaps it is necessary to hold a referendum on changing the constitution on a federal structure with the right to secession. It will take a lot of time to organize everything. How to negotiate this now when no one offers a constructive dialogue
    1. shiva Offline shiva
      shiva (Ivan) 1 March 2022 10: 30
      0
      Well, in general, everything was quickly organized in Crimea. Printing papers is still easier than tens of tons of ammunition)
  • consultant Offline consultant
    consultant (Vladimir) 1 March 2022 15: 34
    +1
    Poland denies sending planes https://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/13914225
    Even earlier, Bulgaria denied their delivery.
  • aquarius580 Offline aquarius580
    aquarius580 1 March 2022 15: 42
    -1
    In general, it is now for a long time, yes. War in the center of Europe for ten years ahead.
  • Roma Phil Offline Roma Phil
    Roma Phil (Roma) 1 March 2022 17: 46
    0
    William Taylor, an American diplomat, said that the US military is learning from the Ukrainian army how to fight the Russian Federation.
    The US military learns from Ukrainian soldiers and officers about military tactics and Russian military equipment. They are interested in ways of delivering military equipment to Ukraine. They are interested in the actions of the Russians that precede the attacks. Interested in methods of military operations in urban environments.
    Understanding how the Russians operate and fight is very important to us, says Taylor
  • shinobi Offline shinobi
    shinobi (Yuri) 1 March 2022 17: 59
    0
    Sorry! So this is the whole point of the scam! Draw NATO into the conflict. And if the Germans and the French try to sit aside, the Poles are digging the ground with their hooves. While they are digging. It’s not for nothing that our triad has been put on standby. And the NATO people didn’t like it very much.
  • cooper Offline cooper
    cooper (Alexander) 2 March 2022 12: 48
    0
    so-called. NATO is show-off. These uhari are incompetent against a more or less serious opponent. We need a good demonstrative blow to their teeth and the rainbow-colored military alliance will be blown away.
  • skeptic Offline skeptic
    skeptic 2 March 2022 23: 43
    0
    Lord! Putin has clearly said that any intervention is fraught with a nuclear strike. Next, let them try.
  • sapper2 Offline sapper2
    sapper2 (Minesweeper2) 3 March 2022 14: 13
    0
    If you go around and complain, of course there will be provocations ... You have to beat and not pay attention .... These are their problems .... They undertook to supply weapons, be prepared to answer.
  • Vladimir Mamkin Offline Vladimir Mamkin
    Vladimir Mamkin (Vladimir Mamkin) 3 March 2022 14: 16
    +1
    I don’t think that the Poles will want to disappear from the map of the Earth, is there anyone left with brains?
  • Marjane Offline Marjane
    Marjane (Marian) 4 March 2022 12: 05
    +1
    Quote: shiva
    Well, in general, everything was quickly organized in Crimea. Printing papers is still easier than tens of tons of ammunition)

    Crimea had the right to self-determination by law on the basis of a referendum. Under international law, there is nothing to complain about.