The military operation in Ukraine showed that battles are not won by missiles alone


One of the main trends in socio-political discourse in modern Russia has become the search for the so-called "wunderwaffe", a kind of miracle weapon capable of ensuring victory over any, even the most powerful enemy. If we take nuclear weapons out of brackets, then it is customary for us to include high-precision missile weapons, preferably hypersonic ones, so that no missile defense system can intercept them. Say, you can direct missiles at targets, launch and go quietly to drink beer with friends, since the enemy is guaranteed to be demoralized and defeated. But is it really so simple?


Life shows that no, alas, everything is much more complicated. It becomes a bad tradition for the author of these lines to quote his own articles written much earlier. November 19, 2021 on the "Reporter" came out publication under the heading "The defeat of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in 50 minutes will not be enough to defeat Ukraine." In it, we had to comment on the statements of some unnamed source in the Russian Ministry of Defense, who told the Russian media that the Armed Forces of Ukraine, if necessary, could be neutralized in a period of 50 minutes to 10 hours:

To solve such a problem, a "bubble of no access" has been deployed in Crimea, and also on the peninsula and Novorossiysk there are all naval, aviation, artillery and missile and other means.

“Neutralization” was understood as the destruction by a massive missile strike of key objects of the military infrastructure of Ukraine: command posts of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, military units, warehouses with ammunition, fuel and fuels and lubricants, military airfields, etc. It was supposed to disorganize the offensive and defensive potential of the enemy in a period of 50 minutes to 10 hours. Commenting on this statement, back in the fall of 2021, we assumed that in response to this, the West would introduce a tough package of anti-Russian sanctions, start supplying weapons to Nezalezhnaya, and the population of Ukraine would rally around Russophobic ideas. This is provided that Moscow cannot force Kyiv to capitulate.

And what did we see on February 24, 2022? The military operation to force Ukraine to demilitarize and denazify really began with massive missile strikes that were designed to knock out the air defense system, military airfields, ammunition and fuel depots, command posts, etc. And the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation managed to carry out all this with brilliance. Sea-based Caliber cruise missiles were used from ships and, apparently, submarines of the Black Sea Fleet. They hit land targets with Bastion coastal missile systems. Air-launched cruise missiles were attacked by missile-carrying bombers. Judging by the available data, the Russian military did not have any misses, and the high-rise in Kyiv was hit by a Ukrainian missile. Everything worked out as predicted. Nearly.

But then it turned out that battles (and in this case, a military operation to force denazification and demilitarization) are not won by high-precision weapons alone. Stunned and disorganized by the disarming strike, the Armed Forces of Ukraine nevertheless did not scatter, as countless domestic jingoistic patriots were waiting for, who were going to throw Ukrainian military hats. Someone really gave up, seeing the futility of resistance, but a significant part of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and especially the National Guard began to offer fierce resistance.

Like us and predicted, they took refuge in large cities, hiding behind civilians as a "human shield", which drastically complicated the task of the Russian military, who are trying to carry out the operation "in white gloves." Gentlemanship, alas, does not work with ideological Russophobes and those who sincerely believe that they are defending themselves from the “aggressor”.

The task before the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation has now become even more difficult. The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation will not demolish Ukrainian cities to the foundation. If you take them by storm, there will be heavy losses on both sides. Moving deeper into enemy territory, leaving behind partially blocked settlements held by the Ukrainian military, is fraught with a painful stab in the back. The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation do not have a total numerical advantage in manpower over the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

It turns out that conflicts are not won by high-precision weapons, even cruise missiles, even hypersonic ones. We need conventional weapons: numerous tanks, self-propelled guns, MLRS, helicopters, aircraft, reconnaissance and strike UAVs, loitering ammunition, etc. We need a large and well-trained army. We need a reliable rear and logistics. We need a military-industrial complex equipped with modern high-tech equipment, capable of mass production of new weapons to replace those knocked out in battles. "Caliber" and promising "Zircons" can provide significant support to the troops, inflicting pinpoint strikes on the enemy's military infrastructure, but then you still have to fight for real, on the ground, in mud and blood.
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  1. qtfreet Offline qtfreet
    qtfreet (Stephen Hawkins) 28 February 2022 11: 38
    -2
    That is, is defeat in this operation guaranteed? Or is there still a chance of success?
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 28 February 2022 11: 41
      +1
      There is a good chance. The main thing is that politicians do not interfere with the military, do not stop, do not stop.
      The price will just be high. In 2014 it would be bloodless or almost bloodless. Now it is g..but it will take decades to rake.
      1. Dukhskrepny Offline Dukhskrepny
        Dukhskrepny (Vasya) 28 February 2022 11: 44
        -1
        Will society survive? It was Stalin and the janitor who made up one whole. And what do Putin, his capitalist ministers and the hard worker have in common?
        1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
          Marzhecki (Sergei) 28 February 2022 11: 48
          +13
          I do not know. Now all internal contradictions are aggravated. I myself heard how the aunts in transport almost grappled because of Ukraine. If you lose, it will be complete ...
          Once they started to do it, it is necessary to bring it to the result: complete surrender and indirect occupation.
          1. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
            steelmaker 28 February 2022 11: 53
            -12
            should be brought to a conclusion:

            Putin has been begging for negotiations from Ze for several days. And what result do you expect? The military is constantly stopped and demanded a respectful attitude towards the enemy. Soon they will hit in the back!
            1. alexneg13 Offline alexneg13
              alexneg13 (Alexander) 28 February 2022 15: 00
              +4
              you did not confuse anything? It's your pianist who keeps begging for negotiations in the hope of suspending the denazification operation for redeployment. The military operation itself is designed for 2 weeks and so far we are moving ahead of schedule, and then a police operation will begin to eliminate the Natsiks and Bandera sofa fizdabols by Chechen police units. All identified (Today Konashenkov said this): names, addresses, telephones, IP and other trifles. Next, they will deal with traitors on the territory of Russia.
            2. ksa Offline ksa
              ksa 28 February 2022 16: 25
              +2
              I also think: how to negotiate denazification with the Nazis?
              1. gosha.gosha60 Offline gosha.gosha60
                gosha.gosha60 (George Yarygin) 28 February 2022 18: 35
                0
                Head on the block.....
              2. Rusa Online Rusa
                Rusa 28 February 2022 19: 28
                +2
                ksa, "negotiate" as A. Kadyrov said, by recycling.
            3. helmsman Offline helmsman
              helmsman (Helmsman) 22 March 2022 21: 27
              0
              ha ha ha. Really lifted my spirits.
      2. qtfreet Offline qtfreet
        qtfreet (Stephen Hawkins) 28 February 2022 11: 55
        0
        Quote: Marzhetsky
        There is a good chance. The main thing is that politicians do not interfere with the military, do not stop, do not stop.
        The price will just be high. In 2014 it would be bloodless or almost bloodless. Now it is g..but it will take decades to rake.

        Quote: Yuri Podolyaka
        It must be understood that the Russian troops will simply not be able to advance at such a pace indefinitely. Well, this is physically impossible from the point of view that the modern army is primarily logistics. The advanced detachments have already broken away from their main bases by several hundred kilometers (this applies to the Zaporozhye region) and, according to any laws of the development of any military operation, they will stop sooner or later anyway.

        As I understand it, after a group of Ukrainian troops in the Donbas region is surrounded, as well as Russian troops approach Kiev, there will be no quick movements for some time. Because:
        a) It will be necessary to destroy the surrounded enemy, or take prisoner;
        b) The rest of the parts will need to arrange logistics.

        This is the law of any military operation.
      3. Dart2027 Offline Dart2027
        Dart2027 28 February 2022 18: 52
        0
        Quote: Marzhetsky
        In 2014 it would be bloodless or almost bloodless.

        Even then, the Armed Forces of Ukraine very easily fit into the "new" Ukraine, and most of the population lived in the expectation that they would now be accepted into Europe and they would live like in Germany.
    2. Rusa Online Rusa
      Rusa 28 February 2022 19: 17
      +1
      Can the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation successfully apply thermobaric
      or laser weapons.
      And most importantly, we must act quickly, as A. Kadyrov said.
  2. Dukhskrepny Offline Dukhskrepny
    Dukhskrepny (Vasya) 28 February 2022 11: 42
    -11
    It looks like the blitzkrieg is "delayed." Weapons and people went to Ukraine from the West
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 28 February 2022 11: 44
      +6
      It is necessary to move from words of threats to Western partners to business. To not interfere.
      1. Rusa Online Rusa
        Rusa 28 February 2022 19: 21
        +1
        Our liberals only have negotiations, conversations ... Blah blah blah
        They will screw up any business.
    2. Bulanov Offline Bulanov
      Bulanov (Vladimir) 28 February 2022 11: 53
      +2
      And what, VKS does not control the sky?
      1. Igor Aviator Offline Igor Aviator
        Igor Aviator (Igor Aviator) 28 February 2022 12: 22
        0
        Quote: Bulanov
        And what, VKS does not control the sky?

        Now yes! We read in the next thread:

        After the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation announced that it had achieved complete superiority in the airspace of Ukraine, several VKS Su-34 bombers were first seen in the sky over the Kharkiv region. The presence of Russian tactical aviation will make it possible to quickly identify columns of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and nationalist battalions and effectively destroy them with targeted and accurate fire.
  3. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 28 February 2022 11: 56
    -4
    IMHO, there was no discus.
    There were hurray-cap-throwers; those who want to reason with them are those who are disgusted by lies; and trolls on both sides.
  4. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
    steelmaker 28 February 2022 11: 59
    -6
    I watched the news today, Gorlovka is being shelled from all calibers. The fact of the matter is that first the rockets, and everything else later. But we do not have enough missiles, not enough for the whole of Ukraine. Russia can make 300 Calibers a year, the USA 15 thousand of its Tamahawks.
    1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 28 February 2022 15: 43
      -6
      There were not enough missiles for the former SAR either. And our 3M14s are only a third cheaper than the Tomahawk KR. And inflation will add more. Tomahawks approximately 5 thousand units. In varying degrees of technical readiness.
  5. Nikolay Moroz Offline Nikolay Moroz
    Nikolay Moroz (Nikolay Moroz) 28 February 2022 12: 07
    +12
    The US took IRAQ, burning everything in its path .. three weeks .. and the Russians destroyed the infrastructure of a rather powerful and motivated army UA WHERE TO 400T. we were already in Kyiv on the first day of the operation .. and if we had followed the path of American terror, then this war would have ended on the third day ... but the author is silent about the humanitarian action that the Russian Federation is conducting .. before us is not an enemy, but the stupid brains of relatives. .washed for 30 YEARS ..WESTERN CIVILIZATION.
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  6. Yuri Nemov Offline Yuri Nemov
    Yuri Nemov (Yuri Nemov) 28 February 2022 12: 19
    +2
    I think the people's militia of the DPR and LPR will be engaged in cleaning up the cities, they have long-standing scores with the Nazis. Methodically, city after city...
    1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 28 February 2022 12: 25
      -4
      Such events will require tens of thousands of employees, hundreds of trucks, special vehicles, fuel, and mountains of ammunition.
  7. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
    gunnerminer (gunner miner) 28 February 2022 12: 23
    -6
    Conventional weapons are needed: numerous tanks, self-propelled guns, MLRS, helicopters, aircraft, reconnaissance and strike UAVs, loitering ammunition, etc. We need a large and well-trained army. We need a reliable rear and logistics.

    They have only recently been drastically reduced. Hundreds of billions of rubles were spent on the reduction of parts, connections. Including not the reduction of military educational institutions. Now there is a need for reduced universities, and for connections, in parts. A strange approach to the conduct of military construction.
  8. shinobi Offline shinobi
    shinobi (Yuri) 28 February 2022 12: 35
    +2
    I do not understand the optimism, as well as the pessimism of some, on the first day of the operation. The development of events shows that everything is going a little faster than planned, but darker within the framework of the plan that was known back in that year in the fall. It’s just that the West is so self-confident that it just didn’t even take in calculation of the military version of Moscow. It was assumed that the Armed Forces of Ukraine would begin a sweep and by the time Russia responded, there would be no one to save. And the collective west would come to the invasion as a peacekeeper of the savior of all NATO. It didn’t work out. advanced "offensive weapons of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, NATO was shocked and decided not to get into a fight. Although initially the scenario was different. After the bag closes in the Donbas, the Armed Forces of Ukraine will either lay down their arms or gouge it with art and aviation. As it was already in the domestic and vdebaltseve with Ilovaisky. There is nowhere to hurry. Those who dug in in the cities will not last long without supplies.
    1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 28 February 2022 12: 45
      -10
      NATO's indecisiveness, and its effort to avoid conflict, has been overestimated by political scientists and media professionals.

      .And looking at how the Russian Armed Forces literally ground the "advanced" offensive weapons of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in just a few hours, NATO was shocked and decided not to get into a fight.

      Where did you grind? Soviet rubbish that the command of the Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine did not guess to hide and disperse? It probably could not have occurred to him that it was possible to launch an operation on a bridgehead the size of France with modest forces. Without reserves and building forces. Then why does the Russian side insist on negotiations with Zelensky? He doesn't decide anything.
      1. shinobi Offline shinobi
        shinobi (Yuri) 28 February 2022 12: 47
        +2
        Who insists? Russia? Do not quote Ukrainian nonsense.
        1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
          gunnerminer (gunner miner) 28 February 2022 14: 58
          -8
          Read carefully the Russian media and Channel One.
          1. shinobi Offline shinobi
            shinobi (Yuri) 1 March 2022 02: 05
            +1
            It's up to you to be careful.
    2. Rusa Online Rusa
      Rusa 28 February 2022 19: 34
      0
      There's really nowhere to rush...

      What about civilians in cities? Or have you already written it off?
      1. shinobi Offline shinobi
        shinobi (Yuri) 1 March 2022 02: 06
        0
        Civilian? Cities? After the surrender, we will deal with them.
        1. Rusa Online Rusa
          Rusa 1 March 2022 14: 56
          0
          And before the capitulation, in your opinion, without supplies, they will be held hostage by the radicals and Nazis. Not the fact that from this all the inhabitants of the cities will remain alive.
          1. shinobi Offline shinobi
            shinobi (Yuri) 1 March 2022 17: 51
            0
            They are held hostage anyway. There is one BUT! As long as the radicals are relying on state support and the Armed Forces of Ukraine, it will be difficult to kill them. Without it, they will quickly fall into a state of small gangs on the principle of every general to themselves and grapple with each other. Examples of such darkness. Let's kill them one by one.
  9. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
    gunnerminer (gunner miner) 28 February 2022 12: 40
    -11
    The Soviet military-industrial complex was also unable to achieve a balance in the Armed Forces.
  10. kriten Offline kriten
    kriten (Vladimir) 28 February 2022 12: 50
    +3
    If only they understood that there is no war without victims. And in the war you need to win, and not worry about the victims of the enemy.
  11. cooper Offline cooper
    cooper (Alexander) 28 February 2022 13: 13
    +5
    ... they took refuge in big cities, hiding behind civilians as a "human shield", which drastically complicated the task of the Russian military, who are trying to carry out the operation "in white gloves"

    Here is the author's answer to himself. Theoretically, yes, everything could be completed in a day or two - to bury the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the national battalions and Ukrainian statehood.
  12. Troy Henry Offline Troy Henry
    Troy Henry (Henry) 28 February 2022 13: 30
    +1
    What kind of smart guy is this? it’s clearly said that this is not a war, but local operations, if there was a war, then the enemy’s manpower would also be knocked out with missiles, otherwise they don’t hit the military unit with personnel, columns and infrastructure
    otherwise they would have cleaned it to zero, so there is no need for la-la
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 28 February 2022 14: 04
      -1
      Yeah smarter than you hi
    2. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 28 February 2022 15: 02
      -6
      A local operation without RTR aircraft and optical reconnaissance, without AWACS and U with AFAR is not effective. Especially with weak logistics, with defenseless columns, with mediocre motivation of personnel. War in all its glory. Would, yes if only.
  13. Yuriy88 Offline Yuriy88
    Yuriy88 (Yuri) 28 February 2022 13: 55
    +1
    firstly, I’ll note .. Here on this resource there are full-time trumpeters .., they often flicker in Afftor articles .. Second, to the topic .. Why do we need some kind of "complete victory" at all ?! who and what needs to be proved, why storm cities with a population of several hundred thousand people ?! The main task is to pull out the teeth of the reptile, knock them out and the territories of the LDNR (future territories of Russia!) Release, designate, maybe a corridor to the Crimea and water! ALL! Let the rest be overgrown with grass, even in a camp field .. Do it and leave .. No "pro-Russian government" will destroy the Bandera mentality of most of Ukraine .. Let them live with Him, but there will be fewer teeth .. And, experience .. huge the experience of Our Army, if you go to a rehearsal before Europe .. And where to teach, how ?! Syria is too primitive, but everything is here ..
    1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 28 February 2022 15: 05
      -4
      The remaining territories, with an uncontrolled border, will be the new Idlib, only at our side. And across the borders with Slovakia, with Romania, in Hungary. with Poland, caravans with wild geese, with MANPADS, with grenade launchers, with ammunition will tumble down.
  14. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 28 February 2022 14: 08
    +4
    firstly, I’ll note .. Here on this resource there are full-time trumpeters .., they often flicker in Afftor articles .. Second, to the topic .. Why do we need some kind of "complete victory" at all ?! who and what needs to be proved, why storm cities with a population of several hundred thousand people ?! The main task is to pull out the teeth of the reptile, knock them out and the territories of the LDNR (future territories of Russia!) Release, designate, maybe a corridor to the Crimea and water! ALL! Let the rest be overgrown with grass, even in a camp field .. Do this and leave .. No "pro-Russian government" will destroy the Bandera mentality of most of Ukraine .. Let them live with Him, but there will be fewer teeth ..

    It's not a big deal. The rest of the territory will accommodate NATO contingents and attack missiles. The Rubicon has been crossed.
  15. viktortarianik Offline viktortarianik
    viktortarianik (Victor) 28 February 2022 15: 42
    +4
    Rockets, tanks, planes, ships. In any war, the final point is put by the ideologically motivated infantry.
  16. Oleg Gorshkov Offline Oleg Gorshkov
    Oleg Gorshkov (Oleg Gorshkov) 28 February 2022 16: 50
    0
    It's not about the prodigy, it's about the unattainable complexity of the task. Precision weapons, I believe, proved to be quite good, judging by the videos, the accuracy is simply phenomenal. But the task was set such as no one had ever set before their soldiers: to break the resistance with the minimum possible casualties among civilians. And this despite the fact that the Nazis dress up in civilian clothes and shoot from the tuck. The impossibility of the free use of fire support (aviation, artillery) due to the covering of the Nazis by civilians. Surgical picking out bandits from residential areas leads to heavy losses among the soldiers. With the American lack of morality and humanity, everything would have been cleaned up with much fewer losses.
    1. Avarron Offline Avarron
      Avarron (Sergei) 28 February 2022 20: 03
      0
      How is it that no one has set such a task? How did Stalin save Vienna? This is exactly the task I set. And Prague, if I remember correctly.
  17. FGJCNJK Offline FGJCNJK
    FGJCNJK (Nikolai) 28 February 2022 17: 13
    0
    I offer a very simple and completely safe way to neutralize bydloukrov. In the direction of the blowing wind, spray a gas that will make the civilian population fall asleep for a couple of hours as well. A couple of hours later, a completely harmless awakening, but there are handcuffs on the hands of the rednecks. The civilian population, without any harm to health, calmly wakes up in their beds. It must be assumed that Russia has such gas developments.
    1. Avarron Offline Avarron
      Avarron (Sergei) 28 February 2022 20: 02
      0
      It was also an idea. I didn’t see something on the VSU and Nazis bags with gas masks in the videos from the cart.
  18. Rico1977 Offline Rico1977
    Rico1977 (Alexander) 28 February 2022 17: 19
    +1
    don't talk nonsense. Nobody thought so. All this was clear from Iraq, and even more so from Afghanistan.
  19. EpIvIaK Offline EpIvIaK
    EpIvIaK (Ian) 28 February 2022 17: 26
    0
    Unfortunately, it is true that, figuratively speaking, hiding behind women's skirts (APU, etc.), they have secured themselves at the moment. It was America who bombed whoever she needed more boldly, right down to the atomic bombs. Or Hitler. And the Russian Federation has a difficult task in these conditions.
    But even that side is not yet aware of the destroyed infrastructure, military installations, bridges, etc. The hangover will come later
  20. Pilot Offline Pilot
    Pilot (Pilot) 28 February 2022 18: 46
    +5
    If you stop, then the Saxons will stuff them so that they can only be erased with nuclear weapons. Today this is just the last chance to insect this Bandera bastard.
    1. Avarron Offline Avarron
      Avarron (Sergei) 28 February 2022 20: 01
      0
      Rather, the Saxons will have to be erased. It is not for nothing that the CCC was transferred to a "special" mode of service.
  21. Bakht Offline Bakht
    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 28 February 2022 19: 08
    +2
    Amers have a slightly different view of things. Bombing opens the door to peace.


    But it is, of course, "different".
    1. Rusa Online Rusa
      Rusa 28 February 2022 19: 44
      +2
      I do not remember that, "opening the door to the world," the Americans bombed, for example, England, Canada, or their cities. Mostly cities and villages of other countries.
      There is, indeed, "other". After all, Russians and Ukrainians are essentially one people and have lived together since ancient times.
    2. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 1 March 2022 09: 23
      -7
      They compensate for this negative with the high standard of living of their citizens.
  22. Avarron Offline Avarron
    Avarron (Sergei) 28 February 2022 20: 00
    -2
    Somewhere in the comments to Volkonsky's article, I already said that the war is not won by what flies fast, but by what slowly walks and digs deep.
    I will also say that not a single army can fight against a whole people, and even against half of the people, and in Ukraine half of the people are for the Nazis, as I understand it.
    Sadly, neither god, nor tsar, nor hero will help Ukraine. Well, the tsar helps, of course, but the inhabitants of Ukraine themselves must complete the job. Whatever one may say, but leave Russia, and a civil war will immediately begin.
    Got the machine gun, dear author?
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 1 March 2022 07: 16
      0
      Got the machine gun, dear author?

      In Russia, machine guns are not handed out to anyone. Are you smart?
      1. Avarron Offline Avarron
        Avarron (Sergei) 1 March 2022 18: 27
        0
        I addressed you correctly, as far as I understand. I read somewhere, it seems that you are from Kyiv, that's why I asked.
    2. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 1 March 2022 09: 25
      -6
      The best tactic in this operation would be the rising standard of living of the Russian population. And ideological. But there is no such level.
      1. Avarron Offline Avarron
        Avarron (Sergei) 1 March 2022 18: 30
        0
        Maybe you can tell me how to raise this standard of living for the Russians? The Russians do not want to defend their rights, they do not demand higher wages, they do not hold strikes, they do not unite in trade unions, they do not create artels and cooperatives.
        And if by a stupid decision of the Government to raise the minimum wage, well, the Russians will immediately rush to buy imports, thereby withdrawing money from the country, as a result, they will again be left with a bare bottom.
        Give your competent proposals, not Wishlist.
        1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
          gunnerminer (gunner miner) 1 March 2022 19: 38
          -7
          Now the standard of living for the Russians cannot be raised. If only not to drop too sharply. There are no trade unions.
  23. opportunist Offline opportunist
    opportunist (dim) 28 February 2022 20: 07
    -1
    I can't understand why they shifted the entire center of gravity to the occupation of Kyiv, as if the Nazi American regime would somehow justify itself. Just go and get the lands of Novorossiya. Close their access to the Azov and Black Seas, and the job is done.
    1. Avarron Offline Avarron
      Avarron (Sergei) 1 March 2022 20: 19
      +1
      It is necessary to pick out Turchinov, Yatsenyuk and other Yaroshi. If you just get the lands of Novorossia, in six months in the remaining Ukraine you will get embittered, pumped up with the latest NATO weapons, including, perhaps, tactical nuclear, bantustan, Ukroreich 2, burning with a thirst for revenge.
      Do you think someone will keep him chained in this case? Nobody will hold.
      Only by physically eliminating the threat, by obtaining legal guarantees of Ukraine's neutrality, by carrying out the denazification of the formation, by uprooting the fangs, it will be possible to say that the goals set have been achieved, and this is at least for ten years.
  24. tramp kapoor Offline tramp kapoor
    tramp kapoor 28 February 2022 20: 42
    0
    No need to enter all cities and villages. We must follow the path that Comrade Stalin has always followed. It is enough to enter and clear the largest city, for example, Kharkov. What is being done. Announce in it the creation of a new state, which would include the entire left-bank Ukraine, for example, the Donbass. Create a people's government. Conclude a peace treaty with Russia. Inform all military units located on the territory of Donbass about the truce and that resistance on their part is outlawed. Allow only food convoys to enter the blocked cities and wait for the local population to start fighting the stubborn patriots. Luckily they were given weapons. And they are no longer unarmed, as before. Let them taste all the charm of anarchy. No need to rush. Nothing else. And why. And do not pay attention to the howl of Western countries. "This" must be clearly and precisely said that we are at war with Nazism, as you were before with terrorism. This was the work of our grandfathers, and now it is our duty to finish off this hydra. Anyone who will help the Nazis, we will consider accomplices of Nazism. With all the consequences...
    1. Avarron Offline Avarron
      Avarron (Sergei) 1 March 2022 18: 33
      0
      Food convoys will immediately be raked in by stubborn Nazis. The rest will be forced to dig trenches for a bowl of oatmeal.
      I understand that you know better than Putin what to do, but here's the annoyance, the army, the MTR and Kadyrov are subordinate to Putin, and not to you, otherwise you would have fought.
    2. Avarron Offline Avarron
      Avarron (Sergei) 1 March 2022 18: 36
      0
      And of course, the rest of the territory of Ukraine will run to bow to you, seeing that you occupied Kharkov with huge losses. Of course, they won't be pulling out harnesses and litaks from all over the world to kick your ass, but will raise their paws up.
  25. NikolayN Offline NikolayN
    NikolayN (Nikolai) 28 February 2022 20: 58
    0
    Somehow everything is difficult for you. Tanks, self-propelled guns, etc. Of course they are needed to get to the place. Turn off the power to the city and even the water supply will stop working and, most importantly, the sewage system. You can somehow live without heat, but without sewerage - go out to build.
    1. Vladimir Daetoya (Vladimir Daetoya) 28 February 2022 22: 13
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      Why do they need sewers? They have been spitting at the Russians for 30 years already.
      1. NikolayN Offline NikolayN
        NikolayN (Nikolai) 1 March 2022 18: 59
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        Fans will also stop throwing their shit around. Well, nothing. In Kyiv, the Dnieper is like the Seine in Paris.
    2. Avarron Offline Avarron
      Avarron (Sergei) 1 March 2022 18: 34
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      Handsome. In the best traditions of the Americans and the Waffen SS.
  26. Vladimir Daetoya (Vladimir Daetoya) 28 February 2022 22: 11
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    Before embarking on forcing brother Cain to repentance, it would be necessary to nullify our inner traitors. Without having cleansed ourselves, without demonstrating how it is possible to live in the spiritual unity of the Russian world, what can we ask of the brothers in Ukraine who betrayed this world?
  27. Krapilin Offline Krapilin
    Krapilin (Victor) 28 February 2022 22: 22
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    ... The military operation in Ukraine showed that battles are not won by missiles alone ...

    Does the author know the final goals of the operation? How and in what way will "winning" the battle manifest itself? But the order to conquer Ukraine has not been received. The wording demilitarization and denazification is for the “media picture”. These words say little in essence, but in terms of meaning they are loudly forced to arrange verbal battles around them.
    In the DPR and LPR themselves, the Russian army has not yet committed a cleansing operation. The guys from the people's militia tied up with a fight what stands at their border. It is they who, alas, bear the maximum losses.
    The Russian army is actually resetting the military infrastructure of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. And "nightmare" Kyiv.
    Inside the encircled cities, the Armed Forces of Ukraine collide with the local population. There are no pictures of the fact that the population of the same Kharkov or Kyiv carries dumplings and vodka on snow-white towels to the positions of the Veseushniks.
    Talking about winning in 5 days is nonsense. In terms of time, it is the military phase with a margin laid down for a month, maybe two. Then a police operation begins with a partial, and then an ever-increasing reliance on local cadres. There is only one motivation for these personnel: we (the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation) will leave, because we will not occupy you - and then the Nazis and their henchmen will tear you apart. So start ripping them yourself while we're here.
    The fact that within a month the infrastructure of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will be rolled into rubble is beyond doubt. There will be no money to buy new aircraft, new artillery, new armored vehicles, and so on. And if Europe gives them - immediately equipment - then the "Caliber" will fly in again. And these are direct losses.
    Will there be many who want tomorrow among today's still stubborn Ukrainian youth to go to serve in the army, after the units of the RF Armed Forces leave for places of permanent deployment? No. More people will "hang" or leave Ukraine. And so on and so forth in aggregate.
  28. Vladimir Daetoya (Vladimir Daetoya) 28 February 2022 22: 31
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    Quote: opportunist
    Just go and get the lands of Novorossiya. Close their access to the Azov and Black Seas, and the job is done.

    This is just the most dead end exit. Nothing else can be taken away. We must leave everything to them. Restored within the borders of the regions of the republics to give self-determination. It's easy, but denazification measures don't look realistic. Not only the Nazis, but the majority of Ukrainians are insane. When they feel offended, their brains are completely turned off, and wild instincts are connected.
  29. Navigator Offline Navigator
    Navigator (Andrei) 28 February 2022 23: 06
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    if we had entered Ukraine in 2014, everything would have been different. And now the population of 404 is all 90% against us. We will crush Ukrainians, fill them with mountains of corpses of our boys. There are many more of us. And then what? We will have to be occupiers, because as soon as we leave, everything will return to normal, plus the deep hatred of the local population. This is a dead end. On the one hand, everything was right. We were forced into it. But in the end, everything will be much worse. Poverty, extinction, hatred of the entire world community. There is little hope for China. He supported sanctions against Russia. One pleases. We are not used to. All our lives we have lived in a deep prison. It's already at the genetic level. And the oligarchs will be touched by the udder. It seems like a trifle, but still nice. Most of all, I feel sorry for the boys who were thrown there. We have already gone through all these fairy tales that there are only contract soldiers there. A lot of videos taken by our prisoners confirm this. stalemate situation. And it's so bad, it can no longer be tolerated, and war is also terrible and wrong. We live in bad times.
    1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 1 March 2022 09: 29
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      Yes, in 2014, most of the tasks in Ukraine would have been solved by KAMAZ with vodka, 20 boxes of stew, 20 thousand dollars in cash, for informers and titushki. And now we are paying with the blood of our elite, the military personnel of the Russian army. Did Zolotov's grandson arrive from London for military registration?

      And the oligarchs will be touched by the udder.

      This is out of the question. KSF Marines landing in Florida is more likely than trying to touch.
  30. Denis radish Offline Denis radish
    Denis radish (Denis Moroz) 1 March 2022 02: 21
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    how are they not winning? in this case, the problem is solely in considerations of humanity. otherwise, now there would be no one on that territory to discuss - silent ashes would remain from the cities, and we would really become like the same fascists.
    1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 1 March 2022 09: 36
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      Humanity at the expense of the life and health of the Russian infantry.
  31. sapper2 Offline sapper2
    sapper2 (Minesweeper2) 1 March 2022 11: 52
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    The territory is considered unoccupied until a soldier sets foot there ....
  32. Alex Celt Offline Alex Celt
    Alex Celt 1 March 2022 18: 46
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    The losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are simply catastrophic - about 10 thousand killed and about 15 thousand wounded, the losses in armored vehicles and ARTILLERY of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are more than 30%, and the Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is destroyed by 80%, but there are still BAYRAKTARS, well, maybe 20-30 pieces (if they don’t come replenishment). jivelins and other Western weapons are dangerous, so far the Armed Forces of Ukraine still have a lot of them, and all of them are concentrated in cities, especially in large ones. So it’s too early to shout about the defeat, more than 70% of the entire personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is concentrated in cities, and this is more than 150 thousand (!) Fighters, plus the same number of militias. So if you do not find a solution to this problem, even the conclusion of a peace treaty will not achieve the goals set by the command of the Russian Army!
  33. Vyacheslav Moscow 2 March 2022 21: 35
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    The military operation in Ukraine showed that battles are not won by missiles alone...

    - yeah, we need a construction brother to clean up construction debris.
  34. Russian Community (Russian Community) 5 March 2022 13: 38
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    the author is off topic
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