Why, after the surrender of Kyiv, Russia will have to stay in Ukraine forever


The fourth day of the operation of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation to forcibly transform Nezalezhnaya into a normal country has begun. We will not talk about the military side now, since there are no less important problems that need to be addressed. This is a question of power and how to achieve the stated goals of denazification and demilitarization of Ukraine, and make sure that neo-Nazis do not raise their heads again after a while.


The author was prompted to write this article by a personal message sent to him by someone from the “other side”. Here is his text with minor cuts and spelling corrections so that it can be published:

I have read all the comments with great interest. I laughed out loud. I didn't read more nonsense. There will be no capitulation of Ukraine. You will forever remain occupiers. You will simply put up a figure like Medvedchuk, who will not be accepted by 80% of Ukrainians. He can sign a surrender, but it will not be accepted by the Ukrainians (who do not have the slave mentality of the Russians) nor in any normal country. The moment the Russian troops leave, he will be overthrown. In the meantime, get ready for a partisan movement fueled by people, weapons and money from outside. Economic sanctions will hit your economy, which already depends solely on gas and oil exports, hard. You can't make a microprocessor, decent computer memory, let alone a machine, and so on.

Let's put aside the Russophobic propaganda cliche about a certain "slave psyche of Russians", which true Ukrainians allegedly do not have. If the Polish gentry had heard of such a thing in their time, the Pans would have shrugged their shoulders and would only have laughed. Having finished with all sorts of frank nonsense, let's talk about really serious things.

The fact is that in order to solve the problems of demilitarization and denazification of Ukraine, the government there must be replaced by a pro-Russian one. Denazification will require the comprehensive work of the state and the healthy forces of Ukrainian society for many decades. Probably, 2 or even 3 generations should be replaced, who did not grow up on evil Ukrainian fairy tales written in Ukrainian textbooks. Demilitarization will require joint action by the highest authorities in the country to make appropriate changes to the Constitution and sign agreements on military-technical cooperation with Russia and Belarus, apparently through the Union State.

The problem is that the regime of President Zelensky is still preserved in Ukraine. Literally in a few days, this untalented and inherently extraordinary person turned into a real war criminal. He, as President and Chairman of the Headquarters of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief, bears full responsibility for the shelling of peaceful cities of Donbass, which continues to this day, for the decision to hide the military machinery in large cities of Ukraine, making their fellow citizens a "human shield" from the Russian army, and for the uncontrolled distribution of tens of thousands of automatic weapons, which are already being used against the Ukrainians themselves. In conscience, the main murderers are the former acting. president "bloody pastor" Oleksandr Turchynov and ex-president Petro Poroshenko, but now Vladimir Alexandrovich has made them a worthy company and must share responsibility for the crimes of the post-Maidan regime.

In other words, it makes no sense to negotiate with Zelensky about anything other than complete and unconditional surrender. This all the more increases the need to search for constructive forces in the Ukrainian politicum with whom Moscow could establish a dialogue on the conditions for the subsequent restructuring of the country. There is an acute shortage of such people in Kyiv, but conditionally pro-Russian handshakes policy, whose names we will not name, are still there.

Probably, after the liberation of such a large city as Kharkov, it makes sense to transfer the temporary capital of Ukraine there and create a Transitional Government. It is also expedient to start creating the Liberation Army right now from those Ukrainian military who heeded the call of President Putin to lay down their arms and stop the senseless bloodshed. In the future, control over the liberated territories of Ukraine and the fight against armed gangs and the so-called "partisans" should be transferred to them, releasing the forces of the Russian army for military operations in other regions.

After its successful completion (let's hope that our authorities will not stop halfway, arranging some "Minsk-3", which will be an unforgivable strategic mistake), the question will arise of what to do with Ukraine next. How to make a friendly pro-Russian country out of the liberated Square?

Obviously, a deep reform of the entire state apparatus and law enforcement agencies will be required, from where those who are supporters of the ideas of Nazism and ideological Russophobe will have to be removed before holding re-elections of the President and Parliament. Criminals whose guilt is not in doubt should be prosecuted. As a personnel reserve, it will be possible to use people from the Donbass, who have proved their loyalty to Russia by deed and can take key positions. We will have to re-create the SBU, the police, the Armed Forces of Ukraine, etc. The Ukrainian army will need to be demobilized, sending soldiers home to their families, leaving the symbolic Self-Defense Forces that will serve, guarding not the eastern, but the western borders of the country.

The latter is of fundamental importance, since Russia must receive reliable guarantees that the “Nazi vermin” will not raise its head again after a while. Ukraine will have to sign a number of agreements: on joining the Union State of the Russian Federation and the Republic of Belarus, on joining the CSTO and the Eurasian Economic Union. A document is also needed stating that it is Russia and, possibly, allied Belarus that will be the guarantors of the security of a demilitarized Ukraine. This means that a whole network of military bases with Russian and Belarusian soldiers should appear on the territory of the reformed country. The self-defense forces of Ukraine will have to go under direct subordination to the Unified Command of the Armed Forces of the SG.

Russia will have to stay in Ukraine forever in order to avoid a recurrence of the Maidan and the revenge of the neo-Nazis, which we are already promised now.
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  1. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
    Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 27 February 2022 13: 31
    +16
    Stay forever, form healthy forces and keep the situation in hand
    1. Piramidon Offline Piramidon
      Piramidon (Stepan) 27 February 2022 22: 38
      +5
      Quote: Alexey Davydov
      Stay forever, form healthy forces and keep the situation in hand

      Similar to what was done in the Soviet occupation zone of Germany after the Second World War. Denazification, trial of war criminals, organization of local governments, deployment of military bases and tight control. But later the GDR became our reliable ally
    2. Rusa Online Rusa
      Rusa 28 February 2022 20: 12
      +1
      Stay forever...

      Right. The United States, for example, still does not climb out of Iraq and Germany,
      similarly in Japan.
  2. viktortarianik Offline viktortarianik
    viktortarianik (Victor) 27 February 2022 13: 58
    -2
    In order to achieve these goals in Ukraine, Russia must start with itself. According to the constitution, Russia has no ideology - what kind of ideology can we talk about in Ukraine? If already the adult generation considers the Holocaust some kind of holiday and does not know about the Battle of Stalingrad (by the way, Russians, you have not had such a city for a long time), then it is necessary to significantly adjust not only the school curriculum. The Ministry of Culture and GosTV support artists and directors with a clearly anti-Russian ideology. Patriotic (not to be confused with nationalistic) work is not carried out at all. How can you do all this in Ukraine?
    1. Luis Betton Online Luis Betton
      Luis Betton (Vladimir) 27 February 2022 15: 02
      +7
      You would be silent about Stalingad. We remember our history, unlike you, Svidomo. You also do not have Dnepropetrovsk.
      1. viktortarianik Offline viktortarianik
        viktortarianik (Victor) 27 February 2022 15: 41
        -3
        First, I ask you not to poke. Secondly, you should deal with the Yeltsin Center in addition. And thirdly, not everyone in Ukraine is "Svidomye". Fourthly, I advise you to watch Mikhalkov's "Besogon" more often, you will learn a lot of interesting things about yourself, honestly.
        1. Luis Betton Online Luis Betton
          Luis Betton (Vladimir) 27 February 2022 17: 18
          +2
          I watch Besogon, and if you want to communicate in my language, learn it. This is firstly, and secondly, it is written with a hyphen too. In my country, there will be no such lawlessness as in Ukraine, you allowed Svidomo, who are not all, to bring you to your knees. And there is nothing to sit on the Russian portal at all, jump, you are not a Muscovite!
          1. viktortarianik Offline viktortarianik
            viktortarianik (Victor) 27 February 2022 17: 23
            -2
            What can I say. You are trained in literacy, but not in the culture of communication. They do not sit on the portals, many sit on the toilets. And you are right, I am not a Muscovite, I am Russian.
            1. isofat Offline isofat
              isofat (isofat) 27 February 2022 18: 10
              +1
              Victor, believe me, from the side it is clearer who you are. yes
            2. Valentine Offline Valentine
              Valentine (Valentin) 28 February 2022 10: 40
              +1
              I, Viktor, are many years old, and I remember all the first secretaries, general secretaries and presidents of the USSR and Russia, starting with Stalin and up to Putin, and I know many Russians, from the "Russian" Solzhenitsyn, a liar and a bastard, etc. and a Russian Dagestan Magomed Nurbogandov, who, before our enemies killed him, told his guys, "Work, Brothers." According to your statements, it is clear that you are an educated person, and quite adequate, not reflashed by the Nazi-Galician, misanthropic ideology, which at this time , and starting from the so-called "Orange Revolution" of 2004, took deep roots almost throughout Ukraine, and here is a small bunch of adherents of this Austro-Hungarian past and brought forty-million Ukraine to its knees on February 20, 2014, drawing part of your country into a bloody a coup d'etat, but those who disagree with you, into a fratricidal civil war, and I think that you are a smart enough person to know that all this in Ukraine did not start from the Crimea and Donbass, but from the fact that your fellow Galicians were on tanks and with weapons they came to the houses of the inhabitants of Donbass in their hands to teach them mind-reason in their own image and likeness, alien to these people, and they stood to the death against your rabid thugs from Aidars and other national batts, and they survived, survived for eight whole years, and now you have received their "response" for their dead, the blood and suffering of the elderly, women and children, and after all, all these eight years you have lived quite freely in Kiev, Kharkov, and Lviv with Ternopil, and the children of Donbass lived under your shelling in cold and damp basements ..... Putin is a smart person, only he was eight years late with his decision, but now we have what we have - the power in Ukraine is being reformatted, whether a governor general will appear, either the head of the Republic of Ukraine, but they will now be very, very loyal to the Kremlin, Galicia will be given to the Poles, Hungarians, Romanians, and only there your Natsiks will be brought up, as it should, as in the old days, either on a stake, or alive in the ground - I am exaggerating a little, but the fact that they will be reined in there is without a doubt, and Ukraine is a ave the union state will restore itself, the people will grow wiser over time, because not all the Nazis reflashed their brains with their "Banderism", and over time everything will work out, but now our Sergey Kozhugetovich knows what to do, until your complete "recovery" All the best to you, and only Reason will make Ukraine fertile.
              1. viktortarianik Offline viktortarianik
                viktortarianik (Victor) 28 February 2022 16: 02
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                Thanks. I’m also not enough, over 70. Work and life have taught me to be critical of everything, because in any situation, phenomenon, device there are pluses and minuses. I do not want to be a critic, but neglecting the existing disadvantages can ruin all the good things. Because I consider myself Russian, my heart aches for Russia.
    2. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
      A.Lex 27 February 2022 22: 59
      +1
      In principle, the author of the comment (Victor) is right IN SOMETHING. Indeed, we have problems with ideology, with education, with "opinion leaders", and with the "elite" (which is not an elite).
      ... To begin with, ASSIGN SOLOVIEV (as he himself, the parasite threatened) to SMERSH (informational SMERSH). And let him plow - he catches all these dudes, urgants and other sobchakovs (offering them a choice - either a prison or a go-he from the country) ..
  3. wamp Offline wamp
    wamp 27 February 2022 14: 19
    +10
    A lot of things are needed there .... But first of all:

    Scrupulously collect all the materials on the current operation, so that later all the fakes can be brushed aside.
    Conduct public trials of criminals.
    As they said, "luster" all the "convinced" from all authorities.
    Change education - introduce a new ideology!!! The lack of ideology made it easy to impose nationalism.
    To talk openly about the hostile essence of the US and its colonial satellites - no more smoothing or hushing up.
    1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 27 February 2022 19: 47
      -8
      What ideology? It is necessary to build new temples and Yeltsin centers. Especially in Western Ukraine. laughing

      Maidan happened because Ukrainians don't have Stalin. lol
      1. Valentine Offline Valentine
        Valentine (Valentin) 28 February 2022 10: 58
        0
        Quote: gunnerminer
        Maidan happened because Ukrainians don't have Stalin.

        The Maidan happened because they had Khrushchev, who rehabilitated all this trash in 1955, and there is Bandera, and after all, your Nazis have been waiting for this moment since 1939.
        1. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
          steelmaker 28 February 2022 11: 17
          -1
          they had Khrushchev,

          It was 1991 and there was EBN! Everything else is second.
          1. Valentine Offline Valentine
            Valentine (Valentin) 28 February 2022 11: 42
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            Quote: steel maker
            It was 1991 and there was EBN! Everything else is second.

            I worked in Norilsk for a long time back in the USSR, and residents from Western Ukraine often came to us to earn extra money for the season, and I somehow got into a conversation with one of them over a glass of tea with bacon, and he laid out this for me - they were accustomed to the fact that sooner or later, but they, i.e. Ukrainians, will still fight with the Soviet Union, and that it is in their blood and given to them with mother's milk. I thought he was joking, the next morning I asked him about this, and he glared at me like a wolf, and said that he was drunk, and did not remember what he was drilling, and after 50 years, it turned out into what, so except Judas Nikitushka, no one is to blame here.
        2. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
          gunnerminer (gunner miner) 28 February 2022 12: 32
          -4
          There is no Stalin on them. They do not want to be part of Russia. Yesterday in the Northern capital there was again a demonstration of young people who wanted to be drafted into the Ground Forces and to engage in the denazification of Ukraine. It's more important than tik tok, loans, fancy gadgets,
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    2. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
      A.Lex 27 February 2022 23: 15
      0
      This is all of course ... But can we start with ourselves? "Besogon" last watched or again religion does not allow? What does it say about our "education" if some kind of juvenile mold began to appear, that he is more learned than a teacher, if he read PONSENKOV HIMSELF (this one ...). Moreover, he began to blackmail both the teacher and the DIRECTOR, EVEN REACHED THE VILLAGE ADMINISTRATION!!! What's this? Is this a normal education?
      Let's go further: since when should a country waging war against the Nazis have to endure in its rear (!!!) speeches in support of THESE MOST NAZIS???
      Not enough of this?
      Well, if this is the norm for everyone for you, then why are we hypocritical with Victory Day ??? For me - so (for starters) 5 years for undermining state sovereignty WITH aggravated! And finally, to take up domestic politics, saying once and for all - what is white and what is black. ASK those who do not agree to voluntarily leave the country (until they equip the "philosophical ship"), and the rest - do not blame me, you will get it to the fullest!
      Something like this... For starters...
      1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
        gunnerminer (gunner miner) 28 February 2022 12: 35
        -5
        "Besogon" is doing its job. Thanks to him, the mobile reserve of Russia is not exhausted. Kudrin, Khakamada, Chubais, join N. Mikhalkov. laughing
      2. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
        steelmaker 28 February 2022 13: 52
        -1
        Those who do not agree ASK VOLUNTARY TO EXIT THE COUNTRY

        Have you read the constitution? Article 13 part 2 No ideology can be established as a state or obligatory one.
        1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
          A.Lex 28 February 2022 19: 22
          0
          I do not see the problem:

          Do not hold on to the charter, like a blind wall, for the orders are written there, but there are no times and cases, for this reason it is necessary to have reasoning

          The same is with the Basic Law - the time has come, so it's time to make ADDITIONS. Already done recently? And more can be done!
    3. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
      steelmaker 28 February 2022 11: 13
      -3
      There is a lot to be done there.

      For 30 years this has not been done, but done exactly the opposite. I say: "Putin needs to have either a cook or a taxi driver in his consultants." Then what you say will come true. In the meantime, he has Kudrin, Chubais, Nabiulina, etc. the best consultants.
  4. alexneg13 Offline alexneg13
    alexneg13 (Alexander) 27 February 2022 14: 24
    +13
    No Ukraine, only Little Russia and New Russia. Ukraine was invented by the Poles and this misunderstanding must be ended once and for all.
    1. Olissa Offline Olissa
      Olissa (Olga) 27 February 2022 16: 27
      +5
      "Ukraine" is the designation of the territory. This "locality" was simply conventionally called this "locality", and gradually the name was transferred to, supposedly, the country. There was no talk of any "state" at all. But, come on, you))))) They imagined))))
      1. alexneg13 Offline alexneg13
        alexneg13 (Alexander) 28 February 2022 15: 11
        +2
        A bit of history. Three rivers originate on the Valdai Upland: the Volga (the old name is Velikaya dew), the Dnieper (Malaya dew) and the Western Dvina (White dew). Hence the names "Great Russia", "Little Russia" and "Belorussia", in the modern interpretation: Russia, Belarus and Little Russia (Ukraine - the name thrown by the Poles). So this trinity cannot be broken, no matter how hard neither the Normans nor the Anglo-Saxons tried, and they will not be able to do this - this is laid down by Nature itself.
      2. Alexander Voitsekhovsky (Oleksandr Voitsekhivsky) 3 March 2022 19: 26
        0
        And you, dear, probably forgot that Russia as a separate state also exists, like Ukraine - for 30 years. Don't get lost in history. There are internationally recognized borders. Violated - get war, sanctions, etc.
    2. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
      steelmaker 28 February 2022 14: 39
      -1
      Your words, yes to Putin's ears! Now the negotiations will show how cool Putin is.
  5. Joker62 Offline Joker62
    Joker62 (Ivan) 27 February 2022 14: 24
    +11
    Quote: viktortarianik
    In order to achieve these goals in Ukraine, Russia must start with itself. According to the constitution, Russia has no ideology - what kind of ideology can we talk about in Ukraine? If already the adult generation considers the Holocaust some kind of holiday and does not know about the Battle of Stalingrad (by the way, Russians, you have not had such a city for a long time), then it is necessary to significantly adjust not only the school curriculum. The Ministry of Culture and GosTV support artists and directors with a clearly anti-Russian ideology. Patriotic (not to be confused with nationalistic) work is not carried out at all. How can you do all this in Ukraine?

    Quite right! It is also necessary to prohibit the issuance of Russian citizenship to Asians from Central Asia. They have their own mentality, and let them restore their country, where they come from!
    And as for the Slavic people who are fleeing from Central Asia, there should be no bureaucratic red tape. Accept and help about getting settled - with housing and work.
    1. Grandpa Wow Offline Grandpa Wow
      Grandpa Wow (Nikolai) 27 February 2022 16: 30
      +4
      That's right, and all these Bandera and Hutsuls should not be allowed into the territory of Russian cities, such as the hero city of Odessa! Let the Poles be friends with them!
    2. Cambustiologist Offline Cambustiologist
      Cambustiologist (Valery Volkov) 27 February 2022 22: 38
      +1
      Not to accept and help with work, but to return Russian lands. Do you know when, for example, Kazakhstan appeared. It used to be autonomy within the RSFSR. In the 30s, Kazakhstan became a union. How do you like that?
      1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
        A.Lex 27 February 2022 23: 17
        0
        At first they were generally Kyrgyz (everyone was a crowd, then we, Russians, began to separate them and call them).
  6. Sergey Pavlenko Offline Sergey Pavlenko
    Sergey Pavlenko (Sergey Pavlenko) 27 February 2022 15: 13
    +6
    I really hope that there is enough information left in the archives about how all these "partisans" were exterminated after the Second World War. Yes, and from our relevant authorities, I think. there will also be information about who and what has been doing in the last 8 years in Ukraine. Therefore, all these heroes and their posts will be blown away very quickly when the matter of denazification touches them personally .... Well, whoever doesn’t accept the idea of ​​eliminating the Nazis-those at the mercy of trained people from Chechnya, and they will certainly sort out these shortcomings very quickly ..., only there is one problem - toilet paper is enough in Ukraine for all these heroes. ..
    1. viktortarianik Offline viktortarianik
      viktortarianik (Victor) 27 February 2022 15: 48
      -2
      Many people have a strange desire - to blame all the "dirty" work on the Chechens. Do you seriously consider Chechens only executioners and murderers? And you yourself will step aside, will you watch and applaud?
      1. Olissa Offline Olissa
        Olissa (Olga) 27 February 2022 16: 30
        +3
        Not "executioners and murderers", but SANITARIES. And our Armed Forces will not go anywhere, they will solve their tasks.
        1. viktortarianik Offline viktortarianik
          viktortarianik (Victor) 27 February 2022 16: 47
          +2
          In any medical institution, all the dirty work is done by the MEDICALLY, for some reason, surgeons and even nurses are not very trusted. In the fight against Nazism, EVERYONE should be orderlies. And some see Chechens in the role of orderlies. What, orderlies are appointed on a national basis? Don't you think that this is already a manifestation of Nazism?
  7. Jacques sekavar (Jacques Sekavar) 27 February 2022 15: 16
    -2
    The election promises of Pan Zelensky are very different from the real actions of President Zelensky - this is a deception, a deception of everyone and everyone who voted for him and to conduct any negotiations with a deceiver is more expensive if he himself is not the same deceiver.

    The Russian Federation has no territorial claims, because the Russian troops will be withdrawn from the territory of Ukraine after the completion of the operation, a fact.
    The question is what will remain of Ukraine, and this depends on whether the Russian troops will go to the very western border of Ukraine or not.
    If not, due to the threat of guerrilla warfare and heavy human losses, then with a high degree of probability, several state formations will be formed on the territory of modern Ukraine - “western Ukraine” with the capital in Lviv, “central Ukraine” with the capital in Kyiv and already recognized by the Russian Federation as independent state formations DNR-LNR.

    Another question is the actions of the Russian Federation after the completion of the operation in Ukraine in terms of achieving the Three main goals - Non-expansion of NATO, Non-deployment of strike assets and Return to the borders of 1997, because the operation of the Russian Federation in Ukraine, in principle, does not solve the set goals.
    This is all the more important in view of the growing political, economic and military threat - the issue of Sweden and Finland joining NATO, the mobilization of NATO military resources, the strengthening of NATO's eastern flank, incl. and due to the transfer of troops from across the ocean, the deployment of military infrastructure and the strengthening of the military potential in the Baltic state formations and the deployment of strike systems on their territory.

    As Vladimir Putin said, this will have to be decided today, now. Because the Russian Federation is at the peak of its power, which will gradually melt under the influence of sanctions, and if the Russian Federation is not considered at the peak of its power, then certainly no one will perceive its concerns later.
  8. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
    Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 27 February 2022 15: 19
    +2
    The author has already said everything correctly.
    There are some mistakes we can't make:
    1. It is impossible, even close, to let the West, with its numerous democratic institutions and organizations, into these processes
    2. It is impossible to allow existing (even the most "healthy") domestic political forces to participate in these processes and delegate part of the functions to them. The West will definitely use these forces, their representatives, as a loophole, an opportunity to seize control
    1. Grandpa Wow Offline Grandpa Wow
      Grandpa Wow (Nikolai) 27 February 2022 16: 27
      0
      Come on! Let Bandera do what they want with Europe, or Europe with them! Let them walk in skirts, LGBT suit their European ones! Europe needs them so much (like a saddle for a cow)! We actually free the old Russian cities from the Nazis, and the Russian population will be able to defend itself! :)
      1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
        A.Lex 27 February 2022 23: 20
        +2
        Those. give back the land? And to work on re-education - let others do it? Is it okay that we ourselves abandoned this work back in the USSR, forgiving all this nationalist riffraff and releasing it from prisons ????
    2. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 28 February 2022 01: 28
      -6
      Why have they allowed the West? And his open and secret friends? Remind about failed national projects and May 2012 decrees?
      1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
        A.Lex 28 February 2022 19: 24
        0
        Everything has its time.
        1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
          gunnerminer (gunner miner) 28 February 2022 19: 34
          -6
          For 17 years I have been actively going to events in Ukraine. Postponing the decision leads to more and more losses, especially for Russia.
          1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
            A.Lex 10 March 2022 16: 02
            0
            Nothing, nothing ... Everything will reach your hands. The statehood of Russia is more than a thousand years old. The historical extension of our statehood allows us to go about our business SLOWLY - with feeling, alignment and understanding. But when we start to rush, then there are all sorts of revolutions, misunderstandings and civil conflicts. Therefore, we will do it ON TIME, i.e. when we need to. And not when countries with historical statehood need LESS than the HISTORY OF THE GREAT THEATER in Russia.
  9. dub0vitsky Offline dub0vitsky
    dub0vitsky (Victor) 27 February 2022 15: 47
    0
    Somehow I stopped recognizing the author. Or maybe I didn't see it well before? But in this article, I completely agree with him. I will add that maximum diplomatic and other special efforts should be made to encourage Poland to "defend" Lviv from, well, let's say, from the Martians. Push the Hungarians, Romanians, Slovaks, they also have their own interests there. They won't get another chance. In the end, the Entente, occupying the Russian outskirts in 18-20, pursued good goals - to protect the territory of its ally from the invasion of Germany.
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    2. Yuriy_666 Offline Yuriy_666
      Yuriy_666 (Yuri) 27 February 2022 17: 32
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      I think that it will not be particularly necessary to push the Poles, Hungarians and Romanians away: the same Romanians are sleeping and seeing the return of northern Bukovina. But it’s better for us to get rid of these “Polish” territories - let the Poles now suffer from the local Nazis, who massacred Polish residents in the 1930s and 40s in whole villages.
    3. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
      A.Lex 27 February 2022 23: 21
      +2
      Partly agree, partly not. There is nothing to scatter the land ... Just those who come from these territories should NEVER BE ALLOWED INTO POWER STRUCTURES.
  10. dub0vitsky Offline dub0vitsky
    dub0vitsky (Victor) 27 February 2022 15: 56
    +4
    Quote: Jacques Sekavar
    The Russian Federation has no territorial claims, because the Russian troops will be withdrawn from the territory of Ukraine after the operation is completed, a fact ....

    Complete nonsense. The territory of Germany after the Victory, Poland, Czechoslovakia, did not join the USSR, however, the administration, the government was controlled. And there were our troops. Let them stand now, no one chained them there forever. Today we bite our elbows for taking everything out, and without compensation that guarantees safety. So why repeat the same mistakes?
  11. dunce123 Offline dunce123
    dunce123 (Charlie) 27 February 2022 16: 08
    -2
    those who brewed this mess and quite consider the dividends from the "Svidomaya Nenka" project have a clearly working doctrine: "divide and conquer"! Well, or, as the more cynical Anglo-Saxons from the Potomac say, "the policy of controlled chaos"! So far, the British are doing everything! And the finances of the "Russian oligarchs" are kept at home - and they are dirtying on all information fronts, very successfully!
  12. Grandpa Wow Offline Grandpa Wow
    Grandpa Wow (Nikolai) 27 February 2022 16: 22
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    Yes, separate Galicia from Russian cities and things will go! Let the Poles deal with Bandera, and Kharkiv, Donetsk, Luhansk, Odessa and other cities will live with Russia! Well, and strengthen the border with Galicia! Let the Bandera people sit in their stumps!
  13. yo yo Offline yo yo
    yo yo (Vasya Vasin) 27 February 2022 16: 30
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    It is felt that the renewed Ukraine of Russia will cost dearly
    In terms of monetary value.
    For the primary support of Ukraine
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 27 February 2022 16: 58
      +3
      Nonsense. We don't owe them anything. They will feed themselves.
      1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
        gunnerminer (gunner miner) 28 February 2022 01: 26
        -7
        With a collapsed economy? With Western sanctions? With a mass of hostile personnel?
  14. 1_2 Offline 1_2
    1_2 (Ducks are flying) 27 February 2022 18: 07
    +3
    first of all, it is necessary to return the historical name "Little Russia" in order to knock out the stool of Ukrainianism from under Svidomo Russophobes, they must understand that they live on Russian soil, and not on the land of the State Department and Europe.
    all Svidomo Russophobes cannot be reforged into the plane of the Russian world, as well as individual Russian Jews to Bandera like Makarka and Bykov-Silbertrud, so Russian society must be protected from Russophobic "cancer cells", there are two ways: to rot in the camps like Stalin or to kick out like Brezhnev to Israel. if this is not done, that is, if the 5th column is not "cut out", all efforts for denazification, or rather deionization, will be in vain, but the West and Israel may refuse to accept them, then for these freaks (deprived of Russian citizenship) a reservation must be created within the boundaries of one region ( you can give Lviv - Lviv Special Reservation), then let the Poles decide their fate))

    Little Russia should be part of Russia, as it always was before the October Revolution,
    who does not agree with this to be evicted to LSR))
  15. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 27 February 2022 18: 39
    -1
    "to stay forever" is too broad a concept.
    Sitting on a comfortable chair, you can paint a lot of options for the security forces and managers of the LPR, DPR, FSB, Armed Forces and the Russian Federation.
    But this will have nothing to do with life, because. roles are written in the Kremlin, in the General Staff and similar organizations.
    Maximum - they will merge the information about the decision already made. (like Zhirik, so that no one takes seriously)
    1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 28 February 2022 01: 25
      -5
      The security forces in Russia are not very good at putting things in order. In a peaceful environment. Temporary departments of internal affairs, in Chechnya, were able to do a lot while sitting barricaded?
  16. NikolayN Offline NikolayN
    NikolayN (Nikolai) 27 February 2022 20: 36
    +1
    Difficult question. It's not for us to decide. TV played a leading role in the nazification of Ukraine. Well, the Ukrainian character. We really wanted freebies. The West led them very subtly. The most effective method would be total dwelling. Complete dependence on the Russian economy.
    1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 28 February 2022 01: 23
      -6
      They didn't want freebies. That's why they rushed to work in the EU, in the UK. They wanted to live without thieves. But they were deftly turned against Russia.
      1. Grandpa Wow Offline Grandpa Wow
        Grandpa Wow (Nikolai) 3 March 2022 22: 03
        0
        Oh is it? I lived there! Rapid accession to the EU and European salaries right away! So we wanted, but we got what we have! A freebie for a Ukrainian is everything!
      2. NikolayN Offline NikolayN
        NikolayN (Nikolai) 3 March 2022 22: 39
        0
        Well, yes, and this is endless give, give, give.
  17. Andrey Andreev_2 (Andrey Andreev) 27 February 2022 20: 44
    0
    Has anyone thought about how the people of Ukraine will react to the presence of Russians? When real numbers appear in payments for housing and communal services, when gas / electricity will be at Russian prices, when there will be no problems with the security of the state and there will be work (due to the resumption of old industrial relations), when pensions will be paid and it will be possible to speak any language, etc. . Ukrainians have already eaten enough of European freedom! I think that any sane person will support the new model)))
    1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
      A.Lex 27 February 2022 23: 23
      0
      We'll see. Definitely - EVERYONE will not be happy. Because some will be deprived of freebies. And it hurts them.
    2. Mordvin 3 Offline Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 (Vladimir) 27 February 2022 23: 26
      +1
      Quote: Andrey Andreev_2
      there will be work (due to the resumption of old industrial relations)

      There will be no work.
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  19. Denis radish Offline Denis radish
    Denis radish (Denis Moroz) 27 February 2022 22: 03
    +2
    That right-wing commentator is partly right. in the fact that there will always be full of such "deficiencies" that will take revenge and subdue
    1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
      A.Lex 27 February 2022 23: 24
      +1
      And that's for sure!
    2. Grandpa Wow Offline Grandpa Wow
      Grandpa Wow (Nikolai) 3 March 2022 22: 11
      0
      Well, now there will always be those who will hunt them down and finish them off! Donetsk fierce hatred for more than one generation will hang over every pravosek! Now rebuff will always be given, no matter where this dirt comes out! I teach my children to shoot with a rifle! Maybe it's bad, but I'm so calm! And many children who survived shelling in Donbas know their enemies!
  20. Roma Phil Offline Roma Phil
    Roma Phil (Roma) 27 February 2022 22: 48
    -2
    It was smooth on paper, but forgot about the ravines.
    Are there many "pro-Russian" forces left in Ukraine? Especially after this invasion. Even 5-10 days ago, even, it would seem, in the pro-Russian Kharkiv, there might have been a third of the population loyal to Russia, and now it is hardly 5%. . Especially since Russia is attractive to them ? Economic success? The standard of living? Authority in world politics?
    The faces of Ukrainians are turned to the West. Even if it is possible to create a confederation of 3-4 federations, then those federations that will receive more economic assistance from the EU and a promise to accept them into the EU will be an example of a prosperous future for other federative republics.
    1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
      A.Lex 27 February 2022 23: 29
      +1
      Yes, it is clear that work is not an open end! .
    2. Grandpa Wow Offline Grandpa Wow
      Grandpa Wow (Nikolai) 3 March 2022 22: 20
      0
      Well, you think so! I have friends in Kharkov: they are simply afraid of Ukraine! And they don't like her at all! They only need security from Ukraine! And from Europe you will get the maximum shit with horseradish! Provided that Europe survives, which is highly doubtful!
  21. Roma Phil Offline Roma Phil
    Roma Phil (Roma) 27 February 2022 23: 05
    -1
    Even the pro-Russian online newspaper "Strana ua" is becoming more and more anti-Russian every day.
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  23. rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
    rotkiv04 (Victor) 27 February 2022 23: 41
    +1
    Sergey, everything that you wrote is ideal, of course, I would very much like it to be so, but I'm afraid everything will be different
    1. Roma Phil Offline Roma Phil
      Roma Phil (Roma) 28 February 2022 00: 12
      -1
      Optimists underestimate the likelihood of adverse
      events and overestimate the likelihood of favorable ones.

      I don’t know whose words these are, but I remember them ..
      It would be good for Mr. Marzhetsky to remember them.
      1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
        Marzhecki (Sergei) 28 February 2022 05: 34
        +1
        I am not an optimist, but a realist. I just write about what is worth doing, in my opinion. You may not listen to me.
    2. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 28 February 2022 01: 20
      -6
      On earth, things will look different. In the GDR, and in the FRG, denazification was supported by the garrisons of the USA, France, Great Britain, and the USSR. Thousands of local social democrats, communists, etc.
    3. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 28 February 2022 05: 35
      +3
      Everything can be. The operation was late for 7-8 years. The fact that she was needed, I wrote on VO back in 2014 and 2015. On the Reporter he constantly wrote that the more time nothing is done, the later the price will be higher.
      Because everything will be hard and bloody. You know who is to blame for this.
      But it's better to cut a gangrenous leg than to bury the whole body later ... IMHO.
  24. dub0vitsky Offline dub0vitsky
    dub0vitsky (Victor) 28 February 2022 00: 22
    0
    Quote: A.Lex
    Partly agree, partly not. There is nothing to scatter the land ... Just those who come from these territories should NEVER BE ALLOWED INTO POWER STRUCTURES.

    Yes, what are you talking about! As if a passport indicating the place of birth plays some role. Aren't there bastards? There are people who left the USSR, but in front of them I am ready to stand at attention, holding a cap in my hands. And there are mine, which I would hang with great pleasure, moreover, on two birches at once.
    1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 28 February 2022 01: 37
      -5
      One gets the impression that the military operation in Ukraine was planned by officials who live in the past eight years ago. And who deceived themselves, believing their own propaganda. Self-deception is insidious. Not to lose ideologically a second time. Stalin once farsightedly acted, who planned to occupy Finland. But making sure that the Finns stubbornly resist, and the Cold War begins, he made peace with Finland, satisfied with the annexation of Vyborg, Petsamo, the Sredny Peninsula. No one is ashamed to learn from anyone - including Stalin. It's a shame to be ignorant.
  25. dub0vitsky Offline dub0vitsky
    dub0vitsky (Victor) 28 February 2022 00: 33
    +1
    Quote: Roma Phil
    It was smooth on paper, but forgot about the ravines.
    Are there many "pro-Russian" forces left in Ukraine? Especially after this invasion. Even 5-10 days ago, even, it would seem, in the pro-Russian Kharkiv, there might have been a third of the population loyal to Russia, and now it is hardly 5%. . Especially since Russia is attractive to them ? Economic success? The standard of living? Authority in world politics?
    The faces of Ukrainians are turned to the West. Even if it is possible to create a confederation of 3-4 federations, then those federations that will receive more economic assistance from the EU and a promise to accept them into the EU will be an example of a prosperous future for other federative republics.

    They've gone crazy. Set an example of grandeur that arises in a country that has joined the EU. A community with overproduction of very many goods, cut by quotas, with prohibitions on selling above the allowed limit. What idiot needs competition, all the more so. aggravated by the infusion of a poor structure, ready to work for a pittance. Here, your own employees will be delighted. You weren't taught by Moscow Tajiks, Armenians, Azerbaijanis, who already seem to fill all the nooks and crannies? Ukrainians were needed as a hammer against Russia. There, at the borders of the unruly. And inside, at their doorsteps, what the hell are they for? The ruined agriculture of Greece. The Greeks were paid loot for every olive tree cut down. Now there is no Greek butter, but Italian butter is everywhere. Worst quality and expensive. Competitor destroyed. Bulgarian agriculture. Estonians are not allowed to sell the products of their farms because the seeds used were not certified. For yourself, please. But what will the farmer use to buy fuel for equipment if he cannot sell the potatoes. grain, pork? It does not have the right to breed a certificate. Only buy. Where? Of course, in the Netherlands.
    1. Roma Phil Offline Roma Phil
      Roma Phil (Roma) 28 February 2022 02: 20
      0
      Quote: dub0vitsky
      They've gone crazy. Show an example of splendor that arises in a country that has joined the EU

      Yes, it's all right. Of course, there is no grandeur of the poor countries in front of this Union.
      But you tell the Ukrainians who sleep and see themselves in the EU. And look on YouTube (and you can also on Ukrainian sites) what is happening on the Ukrainian-Polish border. They say the queues at the checkpoints stretched for 20 km. And in front of the customs itself, there is pandemonium, a crush of those who suffer to get into the longed-for and, in their view, paradise Europe, where lace panties are distributed to everyone for free.
      After all, all these suffering people are not fleeing from the war at all, most of them lived hundreds of kilometers from hostilities, and they and their children endure two or three days of torment on their feet. They even say there is no place to sit down, no toilets, nowhere to put the children. And they endure all these torments, just to get a residence permit in the EU countries under the guise of refugees.
      And Russia for them, quilted jackets, living in the same (or even worse) poverty, from which they seek to escape.
      8 years of anti-Russian propaganda, sounding from every iron, have done their job. This generation of people is lost for Russia.
  26. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
    gunnerminer (gunner miner) 28 February 2022 01: 18
    -5
    As a personnel reserve, it will be possible to use people from the Donbass, who have proved their loyalty to Russia by deed and can take key positions.

    Golden personnel reserve of the President on the side? But what about the New People party? MGER? Commissars of Ours?
    With the border with Romania, Hungary and Poland not blocked, there is no question of any demilitarization.

    Ukraine will have to sign a number of agreements: on joining the Union State of the Russian Federation and the Republic of Belarus, on joining the CSTO and the Eurasian Economic Union.

    There will be no agreement on forests, steppes, and mountains to run with dogs and weapons. We need thousands of trained, not corrupt, motivated people. I remember the Tsapki, who operated for several years with the connivance of the Cossacks and law enforcement officers. And here the enemy is qualified. With foreign support.
  27. Valera75 Offline Valera75
    Valera75 (Valery) 28 February 2022 02: 44
    +2
    Quote: A.Lex
    In principle, the author of the comment (Victor) is right IN SOMETHING. We really have problems with ideology, and with education, and with "opinion leaders", and with the "elite" (which [email protected]#$I'm not the elite).

    Who even appointed Urgant, Sobchak, Slepakov and others as an elite? Ordinary jesters and television hucksters are their name.
  28. Alexpan Offline Alexpan
    Alexpan (Alexpan) 28 February 2022 10: 56
    0
    Quote: Wamp
    To talk openly about the hostile essence of the US and its colonial satellites - no more smoothing or hushing up.

    This is the most important thing. Let it be called brainwashing, it will have to be done anyway. Take Sweden for example. There, Russophobia has been embedded in the public consciousness since childhood - through school, television, art, cinema, and family. A normal Swede is a Russophobe and f * policy of everything American, whether it's mass culture or war crimes, everything American is perceived as one's own. In Ukraine, anti-Americanism will have to be introduced from childhood.
    1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 28 February 2022 12: 38
      -5
      The Swedes have long been asking for denazification. After its completion in Ukraine, we will go to carry out a special operation in Sweden. What's more, it's not far. laughing
  29. dub0vitsky Offline dub0vitsky
    dub0vitsky (Victor) 28 February 2022 12: 44
    0
    Quote: Roma Phil
    But you tell the Ukrainians

    It's useless. Let them climb, let them beat them on the borders of the muzzle. They deserve it. Truth is not transmitted. She comprehends.
  30. wolf46 Offline wolf46
    wolf46 28 February 2022 14: 18
    0
    Russia-Ukraine talks have officially started (c)

    I hope that the Russian delegation will adhere to the previously named conditions (to lay down their arms) - for their failure.
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  31. Krapilin Offline Krapilin
    Krapilin (Victor) 28 February 2022 18: 03
    0
    ... Why, after the surrender of Kyiv, Russia will have to stay in Ukraine forever ...

    What does the “surrender” of Kyiv mean? In what form will they bring the keys to the city? Who will be given? The armed forces capitulate. Or they partially do not capitulate and go to the partisans ...
    Stay forever - as who? "Occupants"?
    It will also be impossible to do the Kiev region as part of Russia.
    It's not hard to get into a war. It's hard to get out...
    No matter how ridiculous it may seem, but all the hope is that NATO will begin to send in its troops to save the "western regions" from the type of Russian "aggression" and the troops will meet on the Dnieper, as it was already on the Elbe in 1945 ... And from Kyiv I will do something like West Berlin with "special status".
  32. cooper Offline cooper
    cooper (Alexander) 28 February 2022 20: 25
    0
    Ukraine will have to sign a number of agreements: on joining the Union State of the Russian Federation and the Republic of Belarus, on joining the CSTO and the Eurasian Economic Union

    Yes, God forbid. This means only one thing - Russia (or rather, the Russian people) to take permanent maintenance of these territories with an inadequate population. Simply put, to hang on the neck, which, of course, will not withstand such a permanent ballast. Author, think what you write.
  33. Oleg Orekhov Offline Oleg Orekhov
    Oleg Orekhov (Oleg Orekhov) 1 March 2022 08: 16
    +1
    They lived all their lives under someone) and they don’t have a slave psychology. It’s much worse when it’s idiotic. And this is the reason for all the hell that’s going on in Ukraine. Foaming at the mouth, they just screamed for all 30 years how independent they were, they sold everything, they ruined everything, and there was nothing left but to bark at Russia like dogs. Well, komon. Result. Just the most slavish individuals most of all yell how independent they are. Yes, and then let him not speak for everyone.
  34. GreatGeorge Offline GreatGeorge
    GreatGeorge (Grzegorz) 1 March 2022 18: 20
    0
    Guys, I translated that in english but, please "denazification of Ukraine" really? Putin goes point by point the scenario of Adolf. Take a look:
    https://www.britannica.com/place/Sudetenland
    Why do you think the world reacted so definitely? Because all the politics knew what happened when in Monachium their granadfathers agreed to let the dictator take over an innocent state. They learn from history.
    The question you need to ask yourselves: When are we going to wake up. In 1939 or in 1945? Sure nobody's stupid enough to invade Russia. But how will Russia look in 2-3 years when Putin keeps following Adolf's steps?
  35. oberon2000oberon (Evgeny Tikhonov) 4 March 2022 19: 39
    0
    First of all, because this is Russian land. It was ours for centuries until it was alienated by the betrayal of the "elites" in 1991.
  36. Kazimir Prutikoff (Kazimir Prutikoff) 8 March 2022 23: 09
    0
    If demilitarization can be carried out quickly enough, then denazification will take a very long time - 20-30 years.
  37. Mikhail Novikov Offline Mikhail Novikov
    Mikhail Novikov (Mikhail Novikov) April 20 2022 10: 05
    0
    It will not be an occupation, but a denationalization operation. There will most likely be nothing to occupy there. The eastern regions form the federal state of Novorossiya with its capital, apparently, in Donetsk. The West will be divided between Romania, Hungary, maybe Austria and, of course, Poland (I wish the Poles "all the best" with Bandera). And Little Russia will remain (of course, without access to the sea) as part of three or four regions with the capital, most likely somewhere in Poltava, and for strict observance of the neutral status it will be surrounded by a concrete fence. Kyiv, which was a Russian city even in post-Soviet times, is also likely to be annexed to Novorossiya.
  38. yakisam Offline yakisam
    yakisam (Alexander) 2 July 2022 14: 04
    0
    Still a very interesting article.
    Particularly interesting because its author, clearly an intelligent and knowledgeable person
    I seriously forced myself to close my eyes to reality and start discussing what was offered to him.
    political fantasy
    When I wrote this on February 27, I got banned
    I am writing this on July 02 and I am sad. Everything was wasted :(
    It is interesting what the author wants to say today - after all, he is clearly not. Judging by the article, smarter than me
    Will wait. Plus I don't clean.