Why the Ukrainian army did not run away at the first shots


The third day of the Russian military operation in Ukraine has begun. Our troops are successfully advancing in the southern and northern directions, a strategically important bridgehead near Kiev has been captured. However, something “unexpected” happened on the eastern flank. The million-plus city of Kharkov, held by militants of radical nationalist groups and the Armed Forces of Ukraine, put up desperate resistance, and the Russian Defense Ministry even had to make significant adjustments to plans for the transfer of additional reinforcements. How did it happen that the Ukrainian army did not run home at the first shots?


In the early days of February 2022, when the recognition of the LPR and the DPR, and even more so a full-scale military operation in Ukraine, seemed to be something purely hypothetical, from the realm of the possible, but unlikely, the Reporter hosted an correspondence discussion between its two permanent observers about the real the combat effectiveness of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and whether they can pose a threat to the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. I would like to recall the key theses that were cited in four publications as arguments.

В article under the title “After the military reform, the defeat of the Armed Forces of Ukraine can cost the Russian army dearly,” the author of these lines expressed his fears that the increase in the number of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to 361 people announced by President Zelensky and their transfer to a professional basis could create big problems for the Russian army in the future and thus more than the militia of Donbass. Dear colleague in response posted Article "False alarm. Why Ukraine will never have a normal army”, where quite convincingly, with specific figures, he substantiated his position stated in the title. As counterarguments, they pointed out, in particular, the deficit of the military budget of the Independent and the moral decay of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

Nevertheless, a feeling of inner unrest prompted the author of these lines to one more ARTICLES under the title "AFU can arrange a semi-guerrilla war for the Russian army," where he tried to specify his concerns. It noted that the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation totally outnumber the Armed Forces of Ukraine in striking power and will dominate in the air, however, the enemy is aware of the alignment of forces, and therefore he can rely not on a direct collision, in which he has no chance, but on a semi-partisan war. Here, it may be appropriate to quote myself, so as not to produce unnecessary entities:

Instead, the Ukrainian army, or rather, what remains of it after pinpoint missile and air strikes by the Russian one, will hide in civilian cities in order to turn them, if not into Stalingrad, then rather into Grozny-2. Part of the military will switch to guerrilla warfare, hitting the stretched communications of the RF Armed Forces. And then what to do with all this, you ask?

Imagine a big city that is gradually turning into a fortified area. On the streets there are barricades and anti-tank barriers, in the entrances of houses, fighters with Javelin anti-tank systems are hiding in order to attack assault tanks and other armored vehicles. Snipers are patiently aiming at the windows. Fighters with MANPADS "Stinger" are sitting in ambushes. Spetsnaz uses underground communications and knowledge of the area. So, what is next? Trying to storm the city with the corresponding losses in personnel? Or then demolish it to the ground? For example, Kharkov? Together with the defenders and civilians who did not have time to escape and were forced to become hostages?

It was also suggested that the problems for the Russian military would be created by specially trained units that switched to the tactics of guerrilla warfare. Oh, how I did not want to be right, and therefore on the opposite Article respected colleague “Myths about Ukrainian partisans: why you shouldn’t believe in them,” the author of the lines deliberately did not give a detailed answer, internally wishing to be mistaken. Alas, but in the near future everything turned out exactly as the disturbing intuition suggested.

Russian troops were indeed able to stun and disorganize the Armed Forces of Ukraine, inflicting a series of pinpoint missile strikes that destroyed key Ukrainian military infrastructure facilities: air defense systems, command posts, communications, fuel, fuel and ammunition depots. Due to superiority in the air, our aircraft quite easily knocked out columns of enemy armored vehicles. The offensive simultaneously along a wide front made it possible to quickly move deep into the territory of Ukraine, freeing more and more new cities. But, unfortunately, everything turned out to be not as simple as we would like.

Having recovered from the first shock, the Armed Forces of Ukraine began to resist, especially the ideologically inflated militants of the National Guard, who will not expect anything good under the new government. As we feared.

The Armed Forces of Ukraine somehow struck at a military airfield in the Russian Millerovo (someone is talking about Tochka-U, and someone is talking about a drone). Fortunately, most of the aircraft at that time were on a sortie and survived. The Ukrainian security forces themselves switched to the tactics of "defending" big cities. We deliberately put this word in quotation marks, since these frank non-humans covered themselves with civilians, like a human shield, preventing the Russian military from working fully. The main problem point turned out to be, oddly enough, the Russian city of Kharkov, which we cited as an example. Coincidence, foresight, or just good analytics?

Alas, the soldiers and National Guardsmen who have settled in large cities are not in a hurry to scatter. Ukrainian tanks, MLRS and even ultra-long-range "Peonies" are hidden in the residential area of ​​​​Kharkov, from where they are shelling Russian positions with almost impunity. Kyiv began distributing weapons to everyone, without even asking for the passport details of those who receive machine guns. Now the not quite adequate population has at least 18 Kalashnikovs in their hands. The shooting has already begun, and the “heroes” are shooting without understanding, often their own compatriots. The post-Maidan authorities, apparently, have already resigned themselves to defeat and are now deliberately turning Ukraine into a real Ruin, filled with numerous bandits with machine guns who will do harm to the "occupiers" to the best of their mind.

What remains to be done by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation?

It is necessary to bring the matter to a logical result: to occupy key facilities on the territory of Nezalezhnaya and force Kyiv to complete and unconditional surrender with the indispensable disarmament of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the dissolution of the National Guard. After all the "heroes" and "partisans" will have to be caught, and the system of material incentives for reliable information about them can help in this. It will also be necessary to multiply the criminal liability for illegal possession of firearms and at the same time to appoint a monetary reward for the delivery of barrels.

Alas, there is no easy walk. It will take a long time to sort out these problems, because too much time has been wasted. The military operation was late for 8 years.
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    2. svoroponov Offline svoroponov
      svoroponov (Vyacheslav) 26 February 2022 15: 07
      +4
      If your neighbor asks you to help you today and tomorrow he publicly says that he will stab you and shows you a knife, then what will you do. You won’t be able to run away, because you live nearby, and your family. It means only to deprive the fool of a knife.
      Here it is.
      And Putin is a great man. He has already entered the history of Russia as a creator. And you were quietly born, you will spend your life uselessly and just as quietly depart to the forefathers. What lived, what did not live. That's why you probably have envy of the Great Man.
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      2. ALEXANDER VILYANY (ALEXANDER VILYANY) 26 February 2022 15: 19
        -4
        If possible, clarify your position on the sale of electricity to Ukraine,
        Why did they save Ukraine's energy sector from collapse in December?
        1. Morgan Offline Morgan
          Morgan (Miron) 26 February 2022 23: 30
          +1
          Ukraine has already made a trial switch to Europe i.e. disconnected from Belarus and Russia, and as far as I know successfully
          1. svoroponov Offline svoroponov
            svoroponov (Vyacheslav) 28 February 2022 23: 16
            0
            There is one problem with disabling. Ukraine hopes to sell excess energy to Europe. Europe often experiences a shortage, there, in those areas of European states, there is a lack of capacity. Well, what will happen if Ukraine itself does not have enough electricity? Europe will not help much with consumption peaks, there is not enough there. And Ukraine has a shortage every year. And yet, Europe does not have a unified energy supply system. There energy is fragmented.
            And if the countries of Russia, Belarus and Ukraine have a ring and the possibility of redundancy in the direction, then there is no such thing in Europe. Even Tribaltika thought about it, although she also wanted to. Well, the icing on the cake is spot prices, which always, while I live in Europe, are 3 to 5 times higher than Russian ones per kilowatt.
  2. viktortarianik Offline viktortarianik
    viktortarianik (Victor) 26 February 2022 12: 25
    0
    Even if Kyiv announces surrender, these militants will not surrender, they have nothing to lose, and they know how to fight.
    1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
      Just a cat (Bayun) 26 February 2022 12: 31
      +9
      while they are fighting in Kyiv with children and stalls, looting.
    2. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
      Ulysses (Alexey) 26 February 2022 17: 38
      +2
      Even if Kyiv announces surrender, these militants will not surrender, they have nothing to lose, and they know how to fight.

      Can they fight with aviation, missiles and long-range artillery ??
      If only by going into urban areas and hiding behind civilians.
      So far, pockets of resistance are basically blocking and moving on.
      They will go out into the open field, they will be destroyed.
      And you can’t sit behind the peaceful people all your life either.
  3. Opozdavshiy Offline Opozdavshiy
    Opozdavshiy (Sergei) 26 February 2022 12: 32
    +16
    It is strange that the author simply does not notice the obvious fact.
    Namely, the fact that the Ukronazis will consolidate armed resistance primarily in cities with mass support for Russia. Only in Russian Kharkov can they really hope to hide from Russian tanks behind the backs of the Russian population. It's the same in Odessa. Tactically, this is a pretty good decision. But strategically, this essentially means the inevitable physical destruction of this military contingent. Let it be delayed, but no one will forget or forgive such pranks for them. And Russia, of course.
    1. sweeper Offline sweeper
      sweeper 26 February 2022 13: 37
      +11
      Sergei, the Ukronazis have consolidated armed resistance in Kharkiv not only because it is a city with mass Russian support. Ukronazi Beletsky and his shobla have long settled in this city. Back in 2002, in one of the restaurants in Kharkov, I tried to denazify this scum that had settled on me only because I spoke Russian with a Far Eastern "accent." It ended up that after indemnifying the owner of the restaurant for the cleansing of the territory by me, I was given 24 hours in court to leave the territory of their (their! Do you understand that? - their country, the country for which my grandfather gave his life, fighting with Bandera, protecting the villagers from them on a farm near Vinnitsa.
      Although Kharkiv is Russian-speaking (mostly), the Nazis who have settled in it will defend themselves to the last. They don't have a choice.
      1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
        Marzhecki (Sergei) 26 February 2022 19: 28
        +5
        I hope the Nazis will stay there. If you understand what I mean.
        1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
          Volkonsky (Vladimir) 26 February 2022 22: 21
          +2
          Sergey, we have been fighting for three days already, and the Kharkiv Armed Forces of Ukraine have almost no losses, my friend works in the Kharkiv city hall in one of its divisions, he is a former doctor, he called his former fellow friends and asked if they had many 300s. Believe it or not, there is only one. And he spoke with the chief physicians of the 4th and 30th hospitals, these are the main hospitals of the city (emergency ambulance and orthopedic). How so? Today was a real pitch hell, the barrel artillery, armored combat vehicles and MLRS worked without stopping. Where are the wounded? Are they all 200s? and in the meantime, food and drinking water are running out in the city - there is no solarium to bring it up, everything is for the front, everything is for victory, shops do not work, pharmacies, ATMs too. Who is guilty? Putin! We are losing the support of the previously loyal masses. Previously, they were 70%, right now, a maximum of 15%. For the rest, Putin attacked them. And I can't prove them otherwise. The brain is blocked. All my logic is shattered by real facts - Russian troops entered their country. Putin was late with this war for at least 8 years, now the Ukrainian army is not the same, and the people are not the same, but brainwashed. Here the Patriotic War began for them and it is difficult for me to prove to them that Putin is right and you are wrong. This is if in 1941 I told the Soviet people that Hitler was a liberator from Stalinism. I ask the moderators to delete my post, but after sergey answers.
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          2. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
            Marzhecki (Sergei) 27 February 2022 17: 08
            0
            What is your answer here. Time is gone. The price will be very high.
          3. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
            Marzhecki (Sergei) 27 February 2022 18: 14
            0
            We must not interfere with the military to do their job. Then things start to change, little by little. You just need to have a constructive image of the future and bring it closer. IMHO.
        2. svoroponov Offline svoroponov
          svoroponov (Vyacheslav) 28 February 2022 23: 25
          0
          If people believe that Russia is forever, then the Nazis will be finished. Now many people are just afraid.
    2. Semyon Sukhov Offline Semyon Sukhov
      Semyon Sukhov (Semyon Sukhov) 4 March 2022 12: 36
      0
      "won't forget and won't forgive" - ​​forgive, forgive ... After all, if these ghouls are brought down on the spot, then the losses of the civilian population will be even higher ... After all, a suicide bomber has nothing to lose ... But you can’t let them go either - they will produce last ones .. 10 years + castration...
  4. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 26 February 2022 12: 43
    +1
    Quote: Opozdavshiy
    Tactically, this is a pretty good decision. But strategically, this essentially means the inevitable physical destruction of this military contingent. Let it be delayed, but no one will forget or forgive such pranks for them. And Russia, of course.

    Yes, they have no chance. The point is to hold on only if help comes from NATO. But she won't come.
    So they will drag away a bunch of people to the other world with nonhumans.
    1. Valera75 Offline Valera75
      Valera75 (Valery) 26 February 2022 13: 04
      +1
      Yes, they have no chance. The point is to hold on only if help comes from NATO. But she won't come.
      So they drag with them a bunch of people to the next world nonhumans

      unfortunately, most likely it will be so, they know that a tribunal awaits them and that when they are squeezed into a ring by one of the soldiers, having the opportunity to capture a Nazi, they will send a bullet in his forehead, attributing it to resistance, no one will even figure it out. They understand all this and, in my opinion, they will resist to the end, they have no future, only captivity and a term of 20 years to life or death, the third is not given.
    2. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
      Just a cat (Bayun) 26 February 2022 13: 11
      +6
      freedom has its price. no matter how cynical, but they pay for it with blood. Everyone went through this except Ukrainians. Putin did not compete with the United States - who will feed the Ukrainian more until he bursts and run at the first whistle. It's time to wipe your own ass. Gave 8 years to rethink. rethinking of the majority did not happen, degraded completely. They went to this for a long time and purposefully, it's time to pay. now for the chosen Kravchuk, Kuchma, Yushchenko and others, they will bury their children.
  5. ALEXANDER VILYANY (ALEXANDER VILYANY) 26 February 2022 12: 52
    -4
    And to all the leavened SOFA patriots ....
    I still don’t understand why they sold electricity, carried out gas transit in exactly the volumes necessary to provide technical support for raising the gas UGS of Ukraine to another SHAKHER-MAKHER ...... and then they decided to start a war ???
    Even the manager of the house in the diamond hand Mardyukova understood that it was enough to turn off the gas to convince ...... (and here again the ZURABOVSK business)
    1. svoroponov Offline svoroponov
      svoroponov (Vyacheslav) 28 February 2022 23: 27
      0
      For what and for what ... We concentrated.
  6. Alsur Offline Alsur
    Alsur (Alexey) 26 February 2022 12: 56
    +6
    Walks do not work, because the RF Armed Forces protect cities and civilians, therefore slowly, and not because of strong resistance.
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 26 February 2022 13: 09
      +3
      So there is no resistance precisely because they do not take cities where resistance will be strong.
  7. Mikhail L. Offline Mikhail L.
    Mikhail L. 26 February 2022 13: 13
    +3
    Can't take an easy walk?

    Moreover, the respected Author "I haven’t drunk yet, but already a scuba!".
    Is the disarmament of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the dissolution of the National Guard a solution to the problem and can nullify anti-Russian sentiment in Ukraine?
    It follows from V. Putin's speech that Russia is fighting for its historical survival. She can be understood.
    But at the same time, it kills the dream of Ukrainians to become part of the prosperous West, without offering a tempting alternative.
    (How realistic such a dream is is another question!)
    Hence the inevitable "unexpected" resistance.
    A dream cannot be destroyed by force!
    1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
      Just a cat (Bayun) 26 February 2022 13: 29
      +2
      on the other hand, it is possible to destroy their sense of their own greatness, which has been cultivated for almost centuries ... Previously, they did not wait for eight years. The Ukrainian crap one's pants - they immediately wiped their ass. always full, warm. They didn't even consider other options. now they will know that their place is at the end of the car by the toilet.
    2. svoroponov Offline svoroponov
      svoroponov (Vyacheslav) 26 February 2022 15: 20
      +4
      What dream? We have guys from Ukraine working here and would listen to what they say about this “European” dream. We thought you had law and democracy working here, but in fact it’s the same as ours: the lies of the authorities, the deception of workers by businessmen, if you hint at something, consider yourself out of work. Corruption at all levels, like ours, only covered by the law. The police, which you will not get if necessary, and so on.
      And work in Poland is generally chaos.
      1. Mikhail L. Offline Mikhail L.
        Mikhail L. 26 February 2022 15: 51
        0
        ...I propose not to listen to the "objective" statements of those working in Russia, but to go to the Ukrainian site and "listen" to what they say there!
  8. Nikolay Moroz Offline Nikolay Moroz
    Nikolay Moroz (Nikolay Moroz) 26 February 2022 13: 15
    +1
    The United States took Iraq for three weeks .. crushing and burning everything in its path .. and then two days passed and in my opinion everything is fine .. where to rush .. hunger is not an aunt .. when they realize that no one is going to occupy them, they will surrender. and the Chechens in this will help.
    1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
      Just a cat (Bayun) 26 February 2022 13: 31
      +1
      Russian troops are already near Lvov.
  9. Denis radish Offline Denis radish
    Denis radish (Denis Moroz) 26 February 2022 13: 17
    0
    nothing. at the second stage it will be possible to pass, with the correct agitation. work with the population, to pinpoint strikes on fortified areas in cities. peaceful, truly peaceful, will scatter themselves from such "fortifications".
    and "sacred, innocent victims" in app. the media will be one hell.
  10. AND Offline AND
    AND 26 February 2022 13: 24
    -1
    Quote: ALEXANDER VILYANY
    And to all the leavened SOFA patriots ....
    I still don’t understand why they sold electricity, carried out gas transit in exactly the volumes necessary to provide technical support for raising the gas UGS of Ukraine to another SHAKHER-MAKHER ...... and then they decided to start a war ???
    Even the manager of the house in the diamond hand Mardyukova understood that it was enough to turn off the gas to convince ...... (and here again the ZURABOVSK business)

    Not understanding this does not mean that ordinary people should sit without gas in Ukraine.
    1. ALEXANDER VILYANY (ALEXANDER VILYANY) 26 February 2022 13: 46
      0
      Better some time without gas than forever in the grave .......
  11. Alsur Offline Alsur
    Alsur (Alexey) 26 February 2022 13: 28
    +4
    Quote: Marzhetsky
    So there is no resistance precisely because they do not take cities where resistance will be strong.

    Not that the resistance will be strong or the city cannot be taken. The second Chechen one showed that there was no need to storm Grozny at all. They surrounded, blocked the delivery of ammunition and they themselves will leave, at that moment they will be worked out.
  12. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
    gunnerminer (gunner miner) 26 February 2022 13: 30
    -4
    The disregard for the formation, for the protection, for the defense of convoys, which has become traditional in the Russian army, migrated from the SA. The protection of traffic routes will require a significant detachment of forces, including helicopters on duty, commandant service, and escort units. A motorized rifle battalion is needed to block the route. Single and lagging vehicles will be easy prey for attackers. And helicopters do not always help if their crews are frightened by the Stinger MANPADS.

    After all the "heroes" and "partisans" will have to be caught, and the system of material incentives for reliable information about them can help in this.

    The most effective way to fight partisans.
    1. Egor Kalitaev Offline Egor Kalitaev
      Egor Kalitaev (Egor Kalitaev) 27 February 2022 19: 15
      -1
      Well, you give the country coal! What kind of partisans can be where they do not have the support of the local population? They are formed from it and feed on it. Let the modern Afghan partisans who expelled the USSR and the USA, fully equipped and armed to the teeth, become an example for you.
      For some reason, they failed to buy an ideological enemy for "material incentives". How so?
      1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
        gunnerminer (gunner miner) 27 February 2022 19: 56
        -5
        NKVD and MGB, 10 years fought with partisans in the Baltic states, in Ukraine. Including bribery of informers.
  13. Rinat Offline Rinat
    Rinat (Rinat) 26 February 2022 13: 36
    0
    Why didn't the Ukrainian army run away at the first shots?
    Inappropriate question.
    Counterquestion. And why did the Ukrainian army have to run away at the first shots? Does the author hold people for shnikov?
    1. svoroponov Offline svoroponov
      svoroponov (Vyacheslav) 26 February 2022 15: 23
      0
      That's right, but where to run from the environment. Shooting everywhere,,,,,,,
    2. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 26 February 2022 16: 52
      0
      Counterquestion. And why did the Ukrainian army have to run away at the first shots? Does the author hold people for shnikov?

      Cool. I, in my opinion, the only one on the Reporter who wrote that they will not scatter. And they didn’t run away, after all, not all of them, anyway.
      And everyone else thought that they would run after the first shots. So it goes.
      1. Shmurzik Offline Shmurzik
        Shmurzik (Seymslav) 26 February 2022 23: 29
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        I, in my opinion, am the only one on the Reporter who wrote that they will not scatter

        That's right ...- and as it gets tougher, everything will only get worse. Soon those who were hiding from every whistle of flying ammunition will be fired upon, and in a week they will not represent another life and will go into battle as if to work ... Such is the reality of war - a person gets used to everything: survive, fight and live with it ...
        It is easy to fight when there is a front line and there is a visible enemy. In this war, the strategists succumbed to propaganda that the Russian Armed Forces would be greeted with flowers and fireworks (Kharkov is an illustrative example), and they would be delighted that the current Ukrainian government would be thrown off and the hugs would come ... What naivety - they themselves are the same power and chose...
        In my opinion, it was stupid to break into the gap, leaving undestroyed units behind
        Armed Forces of Ukraine , National Guards , National Battalions ... It 's stupid to stretch communications : the wounded must be taken out , ammunition , fuel , provisions must be brought up and again returned empty for them . A cordon cannot be set up along the entire road, and if you consider in how many places a deep wedging has occurred, then no and no one's army will be enough to supply and protect it. It's already on the internet
        a video of how young people burn equipment that has broken through to the outskirts of Kyiv, using only bottles of gasoline, and all without a firearm (yet) ... Do Grachev's laurels really haunt someone, and the lessons of the tank assault on Grozny did not teach anything ??? ? It may be true that the air defense and air force of Ukraine have been destroyed, but, very soon, MANPADS systems, of which an unlimited number in warehouses will spread around the country, as well as those same javelins and others like them, as well as riflemen ...
        As many rejoice at more and more destroyed vsuushniks, there will be more and more embitterment of the locals and alienation of even those who may even have sympathized with the introduction of troops ...
        It is stupid to show a video with the appeal of the special forces that they came to liberate
        Ukrainians from their power, the power they have elected
        and which has suited them so far, how the people of this country can get rid of objectionable rulers has already shown ukromaydan ...
        It’s easy to get drawn into a war, but it’s hard to get out of it, all the more so without losing face ...
  14. Siegfried Offline Siegfried
    Siegfried (Gennady) 26 February 2022 13: 46
    +1
    It should be borne in mind that the APU was mainly those who were well brainwashed. Adequate did not want to serve in the army, to fight against the Donbass. Of course, not everyone in the Armed Forces of Ukraine is like that, there are simply patriotic ones.
    Until now, the fire impact on the Armed Forces of Ukraine has been restrained. They hoped for an understanding of what regime they serve. The Armed Forces of Ukraine cannot lay down their arms too quickly, the whole world is watching and it would certainly be humiliating to surrender quickly. But to fight further is a sacrifice, and this must also be understood. But the main thing is to understand the reason for the invasion. The lawlessness of nationalists and the war against Donbass is a challenge to Russia. You can say a direct invitation.

    In the Donbass, the fire impact on the Armed Forces of Ukraine is the least, although it would seem that everything could have been swept away in half a day. This is possibly due to the fact that the too rapid liberation of Donbass would put the further conduct of the operation in doubt, because. the goal to stop the shelling of Donbass would be achieved. It can be assumed that today the fire impact on the units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will be increased many times over, with the aim of defeating and dispersing.

    Russia has a great potential of irregular, well-trained combat groups - PMC Wagner. Chechen battalion "Vostok" near Kiev. In the end, the national battalions and the Armed Forces of Ukraine will sit in the cities and hide behind civilians. And the Fuhrer will shout - protect me.

    This operation is similar to the end of the German Reich, the year is 44-45. The Fuhrer shouts from the bunker about total war, the gendarmerie grabs everyone on the streets and puts them under arms. Parts of the SS during the retreat carry out the tactics of "scorched earth".
  15. Yuri 5347 Offline Yuri 5347
    Yuri 5347 (Yuri) 26 February 2022 13: 57
    +1
    ... that's right, there will be problems, the decision was postponed for 8 years, but it can't be postponed
  16. Shmurzik Offline Shmurzik
    Shmurzik (Seymslav) 26 February 2022 14: 17
    +1
    Eh, Marzhetsky, Marzhetsky ... I envy the idealists ...
    I will express my own gradation of the inhabitants of any country ...
    1. A resident of his country is apolitical, for the most part patriots who do not show themselves until it is hot, or maybe they will not show at all ...
    2. Citizens who go to all elections are normal patriots.
    3. Patriots of their country are nationalists...
    4. Ardent patriots - nationalists - racists ...
    5. "Inveterate" patriots - fascists ...
    I don’t think that anyone will deny that the Nazis are patriots of their country (to the detriment of others, of course).
    Therefore, this whole mass will resist waking up after the first shock ... And the further, the more - losses will increase: from loved ones to a disturbed habitual way of life ... The more life worsens (and it will worsen), the more embitterment will be and the fear of losing something...
    It is foolish to be sure that you are bringing the light of knowledge and they are waiting for you with bread and salt - insight is sometimes bitter ... - Captain Cook will not let you lie ...
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 26 February 2022 19: 32
      0
      I am a realist, not an idealist. I am not going to bring light and happiness to Ukrainians. I care about my country and its interests.
  17. Valentine Offline Valentine
    Valentine (Valentin) 26 February 2022 14: 19
    0
    Tactically, our General Staff is doing everything right, destroying almost the entire military infrastructure of Ukraine, and blocking almost all major cities, and by evening, or tomorrow morning, all food bases and refrigerators will flow in Ukraine without destroyed power substations and their communications, the whole mobile and satellite communications, which are already on the wane in the troops of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and are blocked by our electronic warfare, so the Ukrainian agony will not last long - the life of our military is more expensive than any haste, and Kozhugetovich knows this very well.
    1. Sea pan cake Offline Sea pan cake
      Sea pan cake (SeaPancake) 26 February 2022 21: 06
      0
      No matter how it is, and everything is correct, but here are the paratroopers who surround Kyiv, which, as it were, does not mean that they will sit there for a long time on a dry ration, all the more soon crowds of demons from Galicia will rush into Kyiv and beat them in the back =(
  18. Bulanov Offline Bulanov
    Bulanov (Vladimir) 26 February 2022 14: 34
    +6
    Why the Ukrainian army did not run away at the first shots

    When NATO began to conduct a military operation in Yugoslavia, they first of all suppressed television repeaters. Why the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation do not do this is not clear. An ideological war is sometimes more effective than a conventional war.

    "Never lie so much as during the war, after the hunt and before the election." Bismarck.

    On Ukrainian channels, which have not been turned off even in the settlements occupied by the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and the Armed Forces of the LDNR, the Ukrainian media are still calling for resistance to the Russians. Moreover, in Russia itself, media such as Dozhd and Ekho Moskvy, a channel subsidized by the Russian authorities, are calling not to fight against Ukraine and get out. How such appeals from the heart of Russia Moscow can affect the morale of Russian soldiers, one can only guess.
    1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
      Just a cat (Bayun) 26 February 2022 15: 00
      -1
      MOSCOW, 26 February. /TASS/. Roskomnadzor demanded that several Russian media outlets, including Ekho Moskvy and Novaya Gazeta, restrict access to unreliable information about the actions of the Russian military in Ukraine. This was announced on Saturday in the department.
      "In accordance with the requirement of the Prosecutor General's Office of the Russian Federation, Roskomnadzor sent notifications about the need to restrict access to false information to the resources of Ekho Moskvy, InoSMI, Mediazona, New Times, Dozhd, Svobodnaya Pressa, Krym.Realii ", Novaya Gazeta, Journalist, Lenizdat," Roskomnadzor said. Some of these resources - Mediazona, Dozhd, Krym.Realii - are recognized as foreign media agents.

      As explained in the department, these resources "under the guise of reliable messages posted socially significant untrue information about the shelling of Ukrainian cities and the death of civilians in Ukraine as a result of the actions of the Russian army, as well as materials in which the ongoing operation is called an attack, an invasion, or an announcement wars."

      Roskomnadzor has also launched administrative investigations, violators may face fines of up to 5 million rubles.
      1. viktortarianik Offline viktortarianik
        viktortarianik (Victor) 26 February 2022 16: 33
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        Again, the threat to turn off? Only? But in a "democratic" Czech Republic for supporting Russia's policy - up to 3 years in prison. And how it is that Gazprom closed its "Echo of Moscow" and "Rain". I'm sorry, but you're crazy.
      2. Konstantin Voronin (Konstantin Voronin) 28 February 2022 03: 11
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        I agree that such measures only reinforce the negativism towards the official media. And in general, this office is simply useless, it does not interfere with malicious information in any way. Patriotism is ostentatious, of course, the edros themselves are those agents of the State Department who plundered the USSR.
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  20. Jacques sekavar Offline Jacques sekavar
    Jacques sekavar (Jacques Sekavar) 26 February 2022 14: 55
    +1
    Why the Ukrainian army did not run away at the first shots

    1. A new generation has grown up in 30 years
    2. Nazis in key positions and industrial relations
    3. Agitation and propaganda

    The attitude of the population towards the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation in the territories occupied by them shows the effectiveness of 30 years of the policy of “Ukrainization” and propaganda.

    The question is whether the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation will go to the very western borders of Ukraine, or after the capture of Kyiv and the formation of a new government under the leadership of Medvedchuk with the reassignment of all law enforcement agencies to him and will transfer the function of restoring order in his fiefdom.
  21. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
    steelmaker 26 February 2022 14: 57
    -1
    If hundreds of UAVs were flying in the sky over Kharkov, then there might not have been such resistance. Putin's galoshes are not enough. Promises to rivet by 2036?
    1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
      Just a cat (Bayun) 26 February 2022 15: 03
      -1
      and how will these "UAVs" help with Ukrainian equipment standing near schools? Did your curators decide to write off Ukrainians for scrap, offering to bomb schools, hospitals, etc.?
      1. isofat Offline isofat
        isofat (isofat) 26 February 2022 21: 40
        -1
        Bayun, and let's catch this smart guy on the front line, all of a sudden he only seems like that, but in fact he is smart? drinks
        1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
          Just a cat (Bayun) 26 February 2022 21: 45
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          Here Medvedev did a stuffing...since Russia has left some unnecessary European organization, it is possible to introduce the death penalty. maybe it will come to shooting the enemies of Russia.
          1. isofat Offline isofat
            isofat (isofat) 26 February 2022 21: 52
            -1
            We'll check, and we won't touch it yet, so as not to scare us ahead of time. laughing
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  23. shinobi Online shinobi
    shinobi (Yuri) 26 February 2022 15: 21
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    Uh-uh, I don’t understand the “optimism” that showed through on the first day of the operation. Everything is within the framework of the tactics of modern wars. It was known from the very beginning that the Nazis would hide behind civilians. the fight against such is well known. The city is taken into the ring and then combed in one direction. There will be losses. The fact that they drove heavy weapons into the city will fundamentally change nothing. they have a heavy reserve for a couple of hours, the maximum that they brought with them.
  24. NikolayN Offline NikolayN
    NikolayN (Nikolai) 26 February 2022 15: 37
    +2
    One way or another, this abscess had to be torn open. How much more mature would he be? Years 5, 10, 20? Further we go, worse it becomes. It's impossible to stand around like this. Yes, even in Russian lands.
    1. Mikhail L. Offline Mikhail L.
      Mikhail L. 26 February 2022 15: 57
      0
      ... The opening of the abscess will not lead to a general infection of the blood?
      ...After all, the West has declared an economic strangulation war on the Russian Federation, and the fifth column has already begun to stir!
      1. Konstantin Voronin (Konstantin Voronin) 28 February 2022 03: 06
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        About the cooperative "Lake" is not the 5th column, the oligarchy that plundered the USSR under the command of the State Department.
      2. NikolayN Offline NikolayN
        NikolayN (Nikolai) April 11 2022 14: 48
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        To be afraid of wolves - do not go into the forest. Nothing. The south of Little Russia will not interfere with us. The prospects for Russia are now extraordinary. Under Peter the 1st, this was not the case.
  25. rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
    rotkiv04 (Victor) 26 February 2022 16: 03
    +2
    I completely agree with the author, by the way, do they continue to supply oil products? If yes, then this is just the height of cynicism
  26. Yuriy88 Offline Yuriy88
    Yuriy88 (Yuri) 26 February 2022 20: 56
    -1
    Well, is there any sense in storming these Kharkivs ?? Who to free from whom? Results Ukraine’s military potential has been destroyed, well, if not quite enough, there are practically no aviation, airfields, technical services, fleet (but there was something) .. Take Mariupol, only for the land corridor, the LDNR will return their territories and that’s all .. In essence, it is necessary to break Ukraine into pieces. We are learning from the USA and Europe?! So it is necessary to make a semblance of "There was Yugoslavia - there were 4-5 independent states of dwarfs .."..
    1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 27 February 2022 03: 36
      +1
      I fully support you. No one needs to be released. LDNR to help economically, and let the rest of the territory survive on their own. There are three possibilities for survival success:
      A) Refusal of IMF debts.
      B) Zeroing out spending on the army.
      C) Mutually beneficial cooperation with the Russian Federation.

      To divide into parts, you don’t even need to make any significant efforts.
      Everything will be done by the locals. Sami. Voluntarily. With enthusiasm.
  27. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 27 February 2022 03: 44
    +1
    It was not in vain that Putin turned to the Armed Forces of Ukraine, offering to take power into his own hands.
    No one is going to rake shit for the inhabitants of the territory. Orders come in large cities - you have to make your own hands. Blood and dirt cannot be passed on to the Russians. All themselves - themselves - themselves.
  28. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 27 February 2022 04: 13
    +2
    The population of the former Ukraine is primarily the entire population of the enemy country. Over and over again, they voluntarily chose the government that built the nationalist state. They also boasted of their democracy. Let them now sip the fruits of democracy with a full spoon.

    Yes, among the inhabitants of the former Ukraine there are both Russians and Russian sympathizers. But above all, they are residents of an enemy country. And in order to minimize our losses, both human and economic, we must proceed from the fact that every inhabitant of the former Ukraine is a zombified potential enemy.

    I'm not talking about repression, but about the issue of trust.
    Now many local residents will pretend to be our friends who suffered from the Kiev regime. Do not succumb to pity for the poor. Let them prove by deeds that they are a fraternal people, and not cheap stuff wagging its tail at the sight of a stick.

    What am I for? The lives of our servicemen are much more important than the lives of the inhabitants of the territory.
    Do not rush and engage in unnecessary charitable deeds. Let the locals themselves put things in order in their country. Russia has set two goals in the territory of the former Ukraine. They must be done first. Moreover, the demilitarization of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation is carried out independently and quite successfully, but when the Nazis are destroyed, it will be clear who is a friend and who is an enemy from the local residents.
    1. Konstantin Voronin (Konstantin Voronin) 28 February 2022 03: 05
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      In fact, contractors sold their lives to the state.
  29. Alexander Gribovsky (Alexander) 27 February 2022 10: 11
    0
    All hope for Vova, that he thought of everything. The fact that the walk will not be easy was clear from the beginning.
  30. Vladimir Petroff (Vladimir Petroff) 27 February 2022 10: 23
    0
    Why does the author not consider the following tactics of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, namely the destruction of APU equipment in urban areas by hitting with high-precision weapons? The same Lancets for example. Or an Orion strike? Just as the Azerbaijanis did it quite recently in Nagorno-Karabakh with the help of bayraktars.
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 27 February 2022 18: 16
      0
      How many real in the troops of these Orions? These are all piece copies.
    2. Konstantin Voronin (Konstantin Voronin) 28 February 2022 03: 04
      0
      Kharkov is densely built with high-rise buildings, missiles cannot maneuver so well as not to hit them.
  31. Konstantin Voronin (Konstantin Voronin) 28 February 2022 03: 02
    0
    The problem is even more difficult. Already in the shops they began to enclose the cells with tape, so that someone would not put something in. In addition to duks (volunteer-staffed teams), there are militants who escaped from Chechnya in Ukraine. And their tactics on the subway and houses have long been known, it is unlikely that they will invent something new. Nationalists will scatter, of course, when the food starts to run out. But there will be big problems with guerrilla tactics. Only I don't think they'll sit in the woods, it's too easy. This is not the Second World War, drones with thermal imagers can easily detect such partisans during the first fog. If you are sitting in a dense forest, then you cannot be seen from above, but when it is foggy, you will not see a small drone (with an ordinary optical sight in the fog you cannot see it, therefore, you cannot shoot it down) and you will not hear (they are electric), but the thermal imager sees you from a height of several hundred meters. They start watching you, a group moves in the direction of you to check, they steal up quietly - and that’s all, if you sleep in a sleeping bag, you won’t have time to get out. They will make it easier. They just change into civilian clothes and that's it. All this will be Russian, but they will also receive Russian citizenship, they will even disperse throughout Russia. And then many will come up with a simpler one - an ordinary knife from a weapon, come up at night in the style of a gopnik, let me smoke, suddenly with a knife in the throat. This style of maniac can be dangerous and go on for years.
  32. likas Offline likas
    likas (likas tyrlo) 28 February 2022 14: 39
    0
    there are too many Nazis in Kharkov, so they didn’t run away, and where there are no Nazis, they surrender in battalions
  33. Krapilin Offline Krapilin
    Krapilin (Victor) 28 February 2022 17: 50
    0
    The issue of capitulation "on paper" absolutely does not solve the problems "on the ground" with the restoration of the infrastructure of peaceful life in those territories that are now controlled by Russian peacekeepers outside the DPR and LPR. Whose territory is this - Ukraine? And “in terms of money”, and “in terms of products”, and “in terms of medicine” and “and so on”? Or no longer? The same Melitopol ...
    And do any signatories of capitulation on the part of Ukraine have any real opportunities to influence the actions, first of all, of the national battalions? Most likely, no, they don't. It is possible that a part of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is no longer controlled by anyone, even the General Staff of Ukraine.
  34. lance is gone Offline lance is gone
    lance is gone (lance) 28 February 2022 19: 38
    0
    didn't run away? does the pro-fascist propaganda of Bandera for 20 years not count? everything goes on as usual, we'll see in 6 months. DNR and LC waited more.
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