Recognition of the DPR and LPR is a decision that suited everyone


Everyone who listened appeal Russian President Vladimir Putin to his compatriots on the recognition of the Donetsk and Lugansk People's Republics and watched live the signing of the relevant official documents by him, no doubt overwhelmed by the emotions inevitable with involvement in a historical moment. Nevertheless, now that the ink on presidential decrees has dried up, as they say, it's time to try to subject everything we have witnessed to a thoughtful and impartial analysis. Yes, in spite of everything, Russia has taken a step worthy of a great power. But this is the place to stop. And think about how appropriate in this case the word "contrary"?


After all, the paradox of the situation with the recognition of the DPR and LPR lies precisely in the fact that one has only to abandon the official and obviously, for the most part, insincere rhetoric of almost all the speakers who have spoken and are speaking on this topic, as you come to a very unexpected conclusion. What happened late in the evening of February 21, to one degree or another, suits absolutely all parties not only to the Ukrainian crisis, but also to the global confrontation that is taking place in the world today at much higher levels. Before us is a very elegant and extremely practical completion of the next round of geopolitical "sparring", allowing the opponents to take a certain pause without "losing face", regroup their forces and continue the fight. Let's try to figure out what exactly gives grounds to think so.

Ukraine


At the time of writing this article, there was no official reaction from Kiev to what happened - despite the meeting of the Ukrainian National Security and Defense Council, which lasted more than one hour, devoted, of course, to the issue of recognizing the DPR and LPR. It is only known that Vladimir Zelensky discussed the situation with Boris Johnson, intends to "grind" it with Erdogan, and is also preparing an "appeal to the nation." There is no doubt - as empty and meaningless as "felt" and pathos. Words about the need to “rally”, “resist”, about “the unbreakable support of the allies” and “the resilience of the Ukrainian nation” will again be carried around. Blah blah blah blah. In fact, on Bankovaya, for sure, the most unbridled fun reigns. Well, of course - after all, there is no more “coercion to Minsk”, you can not be afraid! There is no need to dodge and lie recklessly about an ardent desire and complete readiness to “follow the path of a peaceful settlement”, every real step along which threatened the clown president with accusations of the most evil evil. And extremely unpleasant consequences, up to the next "Maidan" performed by "patriots" eager to return to the satisfying feeders.

All the actions of the Ukrainian side, taken by it in recent days, testify to one thing: not only did Kiev not try to at least create the appearance of actions aimed at preventing Moscow from recognizing the LDNR. There (and, above all, on the line of contact), everything was done to ensure that this recognition was inevitable, guaranteed and as soon as possible. Shelling, terrorist attacks, attempts to attack the positions of the Republicans - everything was on the rise.

The apotheosis of this madness was the penetration of the Ukrainian DRG into the territory of the Rostov region. But then our patience ran out, and the unfortunate saboteurs were crushed together with the “armor” that came to “pull” them out of the raid. If the “nezalezhnaya” really were going to continue negotiations in the “Normandy format” and implement “Minsk”, then right now they would be sitting quieter than water and lower than grass. If there were intentions to resolve the issue “by force”, they would have rushed to the attack as soon as this morning it became extremely clear that there would be recognition. However, as far as is known, after the broadcast of the ceremony of signing presidential decrees and relevant agreements, all shelling subsided immediately. Judging by this, the goal has been achieved - Kiev got what it wanted. What will happen next? Yes, the same as with the Crimea - the creation of "platforms" and "forums", the continuous need of Zelensky and others in the UN, the OSCE and in general in all places where they will let them in.

Rantings about “the Ukrainian flag that will appear over Donetsk, Lugansk and Sevastopol” and other non-science fiction. No one will dare to attack the Russian army, remembering the sad example of Saakashvili. At least not in the foreseeable future. You can continue to beg for loans from the West, and plunder them, rob what is still left in your own country. They will do harm to both Donbass and Russia with even greater frenzy - but in a petty, surreptitious way, trying not to run into a serious one. At the same time, the panic with the “invasion” may calm down and it will be possible to somehow slow down the fall economics.

U.S.


It would seem that no one was at all interested in Vladimir Putin's decision. Believe me, it just seems so. I would not be at all surprised if someday it is revealed that it was agreed upon by the presidents either in the course of personal meetings or during one of the confidential telephone conversations. Judge for yourself - Washington (and not only him) needs to somehow get out of a completely idiotic situation with an "invasion" that did not happen. Recognize yourself as fools and liars? Ruled out. To provoke a large-scale bloodshed in the Donbass, to force the Armed Forces of Ukraine to go on the offensive? It is not a fact that this will work out at all, and in the end result you can lose more than win. In this case, the White House could stop Shoigu and Putin in no way by military force, but only by threats of sanctions.

Knowing full well that this will not work with a probability of 99.9%. Turning on something quite furious like a complete embargo on our energy carriers is fraught with a global economic Apocalypse, and even a complete collapse of the “North Atlantic unity”. Well, the same Germans will not bend over from the cold for the sake of the "ideals of democracy" - at least you cry. And what do we have in a fairly realistic perspective? The Russian army, having “taken the crackdown” in the Donbass and crushed the main forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine there, is advancing to Kiev without any problems, and even much further, thereby putting a fat cross on the “Ukraine project” without any hope of its revival. And this is not even Afghanistan 2.0, but something much worse. For - like in Europe. After such a fiasco, NATO may not only fail the brain, but also all other vital organs - up to a complete death.

But what do we have in the current "schedule"? Yes, exactly what the US needed! The “invasion” seems to have happened, but it will be limited strictly to the borders of the LDNR. The “key” to a full understanding of the intricacies of the moment, in my opinion, can be Biden’s “reservation” about the “minor intrusion”, which only the lazy one did not blame him for. But what if this was not a reservation at all, but simply inappropriately uttered words related to the true, real plan of action? I repeat in advance, "spoken" with Moscow - at least as one of the options. Then everything clearly falls into place and the puzzle is formed.

Now Washington, having received a weighty and quite real reason to shout enough about the "assault on the territorial integrity" of the poor "nezalezhnaya" and the like, will introduce some kind of "insignificant sanctions." At the time, again, of writing this article, it was about a ban on trade with the LNR-DNR and “investment” in their economy - but not about disconnecting from SWIFT or refusing to launch Nord Stream 2. Europe, supporting the same verbiage (in any case, Josep Borel, Ursula von der Leyen and Charles Michel have already noted in this field), will slowly exhale with relief, and at the same time will rejoice that there is no longer any need to arrange stupid ritual dances in the Normandy format "- everything was decided by itself. Our confrontation with the "collective West" will by no means end there, but then the conversation will be about completely different things.

Russia


A number of factors testify to the fact that the corresponding decision was made in the Kremlin not yesterday, not the day before yesterday, and not even “under the Christmas tree” at the end of 2021. First of all, last summer, representatives of domestic business (and obviously not without state support) began to invest heavily in the economy of Donbass, its restoration and development. Well, you don’t admit that then there was preparation to present truly royal gifts to Akhmetov, Zelensky and others like them? "Minsk agreements"? Come on, you already, the right word, you can no longer break the comedy. The fact that they are impossible in principle, it was clear from the outset. Well, what about the rhetoric of the Kremlin, our Foreign Ministry, and so on ... What can you do - the big policy their laws. Yes, the Kremlin is well aware of the fact that by recognizing the Republics of Donbass, the country has acquired significant additional problems for itself, shouldered a new burden of colossal responsibility, and doomed itself to new costs.

However, this is the way of a great power. In a different way, only the status of a “gas station country” is acquired, into which the West is so eager to drive us. The third, excuse me, is not given - if we discard the senseless nonsense of the gentlemen of the liberals. So there is no doubt that the agreements with Donetsk and Lugansk were not drawn up in a hurry today, but lay in the right safe, waiting in the wings. From the moment Moscow loudly declared its claims to the US and NATO regarding security guarantees, it became clear that the countdown to its onset went on for days and hours. The West chose a tactic that was easy enough to predict – it tried to transfer the entire discourse to the plane of the “Ukrainian issue”, seeing it as the most unfavorable position for Russia. Hence the whole psychosis with the "invasion"

The danger was that, at a certain level of escalation, the situation could indeed spiral out of control. Then we would have to do exactly what we do now - to recognize the Republic, to send in troops. But this would have been done already in an emergency order, with inevitable failures and errors in this case. Yes, and under fire - in the literal and figurative sense. The West's propaganda-stupefying machine would have worked at full speed and accusations of the most horrific sins would have rained down on our country - from "chemical attacks" to "ethnic cleansing". Now the battle for Donbass has been won almost without a fight. In any case, significant casualties and losses were avoided. The issue with Ukraine, which has turned into a nationalist and neo-Nazi cesspool, controlled from across the ocean, is by no means closed. Anyone who has listened attentively to the president's remarkable address on the recognition of the LDNR is sure to have formed just such an opinion. On the contrary, for the Kiev authorities, which for some time now Vladimir Vladimirovich has not called anything other than a “regime”, and even one that came to power as a result of a “bloody coup”, real troubles are just beginning.

Now they don’t realize it there yet, but they realize it - they won’t be happy. However, further confrontation will take place already in the economic and foreign policy plane, without the danger of an instant escalation to the stage of a full-scale war. With the highest degree of probability, it can be assumed that as soon as Russian troops officially stationed there appear on the demarcation line, there will be no trace of the “offensive impulse” of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. In any case, at the moment there are reports of a complete ceasefire on their part.

And this is the most important thing. Four million people can breathe freely and look at the night sky without fear. Yes, the status of “semi-recognized” is also not sugar, but the period of “timelessness” and existence in the “gray zone” for the residents of the Donetsk and Luhansk republics, who have earned their right to freedom and independence through years of selfless and fearless struggle, has finally ended. It is with this that we congratulate them today with all our hearts!
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  1. Bakht Offline Bakht
    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 22 February 2022 09: 34
    -5
    If in Kiev they understand at least something (and if they don’t, then the curators will quickly explain it to them), then everything looks very bad for Russia.
    The shelling has stopped, it is quite possible that they will not resume again. Zelensky appealed to the UN about the right to "individual and collective self-defense." If you carefully read Article 51 of the UN Charter, then the decision of the Security Council is not required at all, which means that the right of veto does not work. No one can forbid Ukraine to ask for military assistance from any member of the UN.
    In Kiev, some rejoice. The abolition of the Minsk Agreements took place de facto. Ukraine has lost what has not belonged to it since 2014, Russia has received what has belonged to it since the same 2014. The rest of Ukraine is lost to Russia. Popular performances in other regions of Ukraine are not yet visible.
    I will not discuss this. You can downvote as much as you want. The annexation of the Donbass and even Novorossiya has always been considered and still is considered a geopolitical defeat of Russia. It was necessary to go to the end (that is, to take all of Ukraine). The states have won the most. The rupture of economic ties between Russia and Europe is close as never before, Ukraine is entirely under the control of the States. Russia is completely under sanctions for a long time. Show me one positive thing in this confession.
    1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
      Just a cat (Bayun) 22 February 2022 09: 52
      -3
      why does Russia need so many Ukrainian "scientists"? it's not a problem to find harnosipers.
    2. EVYN WIXH Offline EVYN WIXH
      EVYN WIXH (EVYN WIXH) 22 February 2022 10: 42
      +2
      Apparently, for a reader like you, human lives no longer mean anything. Yes, maybe there are more minuses, but if it can save at least someone, it's better.
      1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
        Just a cat (Bayun) 22 February 2022 10: 46
        +2
        And what are the lives of the inhabitants of Russia worth while the "brothers" under the leadership of the sagaidachny walked to Arkhangelsk? What are the lives of those whom Yuri Khmelnitsky slaughtered or sold to the Turks worth? will we pay with the lives of Russians for the sake of saving the future Sahaidachs with Khmelnytskys?
        1. EVYN WIXH Offline EVYN WIXH
          EVYN WIXH (EVYN WIXH) 22 February 2022 11: 12
          +3
          I cannot speak for the whole of Ukraine, but Donetsk and Lunansk did not recognize the coup and tried to fight. Whether it's bad, whether it's good, but they tried. And according to history, these areas were donated to Ukraine already in the 20th century.
          1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
            Just a cat (Bayun) 22 February 2022 11: 17
            +1
            fought those where there were Girkin, Pavlov, etc. with magic pendels .... In the same Lisichansk, the same miners only knock with helmets and demand wages.
            1. EVYN WIXH Offline EVYN WIXH
              EVYN WIXH (EVYN WIXH) 22 February 2022 11: 30
              -1
              None of them would have lasted long without the support of the local population. Well, there are people who also need something, but also children.
              1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
                Just a cat (Bayun) 22 February 2022 11: 36
                +1
                and without them, the local population is uninitiated ... Didn't the dead volunteers from Russia need to feed their children? They are now in the ground, and representatives of the "local population" in Russia already have, in addition to citizenship, managerial positions, real estate and new cars. They just wanted to eat and it was scary... They settled down well... They need to eat, but Russians always die.
                1. EVYN WIXH Offline EVYN WIXH
                  EVYN WIXH (EVYN WIXH) 22 February 2022 11: 53
                  0
                  You answered your own question - "volunteers". Who did not want to - did not go to fight. About the population - I agree. But even the little that they have is dear to people, and sometimes they are simply afraid. There have always been opportunists: "To whom - war, and to whom ..." Why, in all wars, the best die first. Alas...
                  1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
                    Just a cat (Bayun) 22 February 2022 11: 56
                    +1
                    And how many volunteers have now appeared to kick the opportunists in the ass and send them back ... And there are more and more of these volunteers every day. Something the ratio of volunteers and opportunists in Russia and Ukraine is the opposite.
      2. Bakht Offline Bakht
        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 22 February 2022 10: 49
        +1
        Not so simple.

    3. tagil Offline tagil
      tagil (Sergei) 22 February 2022 11: 01
      0
      Show me one positive thing in this confession.

      Last night, that is, already today, a blown up car with civilians burned down on the road to the DPR. Is it not enough for you not to kill people and children, Russian children anymore? Isn't it worth everything you put on here? Not for you, but for me it is.
      1. Bakht Offline Bakht
        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 22 February 2022 11: 04
        +1
        The event horizon should be wider. Has peace come to Donbass? Not yet. Maybe it will come. But the fact that you are giving almost 20 million Russians to the Bandera camp does not bother you?
        If Russia takes only the Donbass, then your writings are worth little.
        1. tagil Offline tagil
          tagil (Sergei) 22 February 2022 11: 10
          -3
          I just don't understand people like you. You have already decided everything for Putin and indicated where and how much he can go. How do you know what will happen and how it will be in the future??? What is brought to the residents is all dashingly part of a huge iceberg. No need to say what and how the government will decide. And this former Ukraine can be returned not only by military means, it will take a little more time, but there will also be fewer victims. In general, deciding something for others is a thankless task.
          1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
            Just a cat (Bayun) 22 February 2022 11: 13
            -2
            from Azerbaijan, apparently, it’s clearer what the Russians and Khokhols should do
            1. tagil Offline tagil
              tagil (Sergei) 22 February 2022 11: 15
              -3
              Probably from Turkey it’s even clearer what to do not only for Ukrainians and us, but also for the whole future Turan.
              1. Bakht Offline Bakht
                Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 22 February 2022 11: 42
                +3
                Try to focus not on my modest person, but analyze the further course of events. What is done is already done. More important is what needs to be done next.
                1. tagil Offline tagil
                  tagil (Sergei) 22 February 2022 12: 38
                  -3
                  You have not yet understood that Russia reacts unpredictably to any analysis and predictable steps. Yesterday at lunchtime, you didn't even know what was going to happen today. And what will happen tomorrow? certainly not as they think in Washington and Brussels.
                  1. Bakht Offline Bakht
                    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 22 February 2022 12: 45
                    +1
                    These are all words. Let's wait a couple of days. Predictable, unpredictable...
                    Try to predict events.
                    What happens if Ukraine quite officially, in accordance with Article 51 of the UN Charter, asks for help? At least 80-90% of the countries participating in the UN will support this decision. Which Russia cannot veto. Both Poland and the States will send troops quite officially at the request of the legitimate government of Ukraine.
                    What will be the actions of Russia?
                    For a general understanding

                    Article 51
                    This Charter shall in no way affect the inalienable right of individual or collective self-defence should an armed attack occur against a Member of the Organization until such time as the Security Council has taken the measures necessary to maintain international peace and security. Measures taken by Members in the exercise of this right of self-defence must be immediately reported to the Security Council and must in no way affect the powers and responsibilities of the Security Council, in accordance with this Charter, with regard to taking at any time such action as it deems necessary for the maintenance or restoration of international peace and security.

                    By the way, Zelensky has already referred to this article of the UN Charter.
                  2. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
                    steelmaker 22 February 2022 15: 10
                    -2
                    In 2015, any cook with a taxi driver told Putin that the LDNR should be annexed to Russia, and it only dawned on him seven years later. And what's not predictable? For seven years, cooks and taxi drivers have been shouting to Putin that Kiev will not comply with the Minsk agreements. And he and Lavrov, as a prayer, repeated: "There is no alternative to the Minsk agreements, do it anyway." And that, until the refugees fled to Russia and that's it, I immediately forgot about the Minsk agreements. And now a hero, dear father!
            2. Bakht Offline Bakht
              Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 22 February 2022 11: 41
              +1
              Answer to both.
              It doesn't matter where you look. From Azerbaijan or from Somalia. Anyone who knows a little about geopolitics can tell what the Americans or the Ukrainians or the Russians should do. Even sitting on the moon. You have to think a little. Now everything will depend on the decisions that will be made in Moscow and Kiev. Since only "talking heads" are sitting in Kiev, we must wait for Washington's reaction. And the decision of the State Duma and the Federation Council.

              Second. I have only the information that I find on the Internet. No more. And I'm not telling Putin what to do. I'm just expressing my opinion that this is not the best solution. This decision brings us all to war. As you said, "the former Ukraine can be returned not only by military means." I completely agree. That's what I said all the time. It was necessary to act by economic methods. And now only the military remained.
              1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
                Just a cat (Bayun) 22 February 2022 11: 44
                -2
                Someone who knows a little about geopolitics can tell you what to do Americans or Ukrainians or Russians. Even sitting on the moon.

                And I'm not telling Putin what to do.

                Where to believe?
                1. Bakht Offline Bakht
                  Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 22 February 2022 11: 46
                  +1
                  In both.
                  I can predict the actions of the parties by virtue of my knowledge and awareness.
                  But I cannot tell Putin, Aliyev or Biden what to do.

                  Have you ever heard of advisors? They can advise. But advisors don't make decisions.
                  1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
                    Just a cat (Bayun) 22 February 2022 11: 51
                    -2
                    who appointed you adviser to the President of Russia? maybe you will advise Aliyev until Erdogan digests Azerbaijan? That's when you achieve success in geopolitics, then you will climb to your neighbors. There are enough Khokhlyatsky experts ... only that their expert opinion has not helped anyone yet. The closer the state is to the banana republic, the more "specialists" of a wide profile it has.
                    1. Bakht Offline Bakht
                      Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 22 February 2022 11: 56
                      +3
                      You can keep your opinion. I'm with mine. What century do you live in? Open the internet. In any article there are forecasts and tips. Even you. A couple of days ago, I wrote "it's not my business to tell the Russians how to act. But I consider the decision to recognize independence to be erroneous."
                      I never thought that Azerbaijan belongs to the "banana republics". On what basis? By the way, I also often criticize the policy of the leadership of Azerbaijan. I have the right to freedom of speech.
                      Have you noticed how you quickly slipped from the discussion of political issues to the personal qualities of your opponent? From the lack of facts or is your culture of discussion?
                      1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
                        Just a cat (Bayun) 22 February 2022 12: 04
                        -2
                        Have you noticed how you quickly slipped from the discussion of political issues to the personal qualities of your opponent?

                        no, didn't notice. Do you have a vocational diploma? Maybe they graduated from the Institute of International Relations? Any cook or taxi driver can read a lot of the Internet, pull on the "facts" they like and express their "expert" opinion. Freedom of speech. In your case, you are still sticking your nose into the affairs of another state. Are you jealous of Lavram Kedmi? same expert...
                      2. Bakht Offline Bakht
                        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 22 February 2022 12: 18
                        +2
                        I noticed.
                        Knowledge is achieved not by the presence of a diploma, but by the presence of logical thinking and the mass of literature read. How many mediocrity with diplomas in various disciplines.
                        I did not "read the Internet", but for at least 20 years I read articles on geopolitics, geography, history. And, if you noticed, I give a forecast for the further development of events. It's possible I'm wrong. I am not a prophet. But I express my opinion and try to justify it.
                        You can, without getting personal, predict the development of an event and, most importantly, justify it.
                      3. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
                        Just a cat (Bayun) 22 February 2022 12: 25
                        -2
                        Messrs. Marzhetsky and Volkonsky are enough for me. But at least they get paid for it. If you are such a specialist in Russian history, you should have noticed that, at least mentally, Russians and Ukrainians are far from being the same people. With the same success, one can demand from Poland or Turkey the salvation of the Ukrainian nation. There are probably even more Turkish and Polish words in Ukromov than Russian ones.
                      4. Bakht Offline Bakht
                        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 22 February 2022 12: 27
                        +1
                        No answer. As expected.

                        If you are such a specialist in Russian history, you should have noticed that, at least mentally, Russians and Ukrainians are far from being the same people.

                        Thank you for confirming my knowledge of Russian history. This is what I have always maintained. That Russian and Ukrainian are not one people.
                        And he often cited the quote "to become a Ukrainian, one must kill the Russian in oneself." For which he received a lot of minuses on this site. On others, I practically do not participate.
                      5. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
                        Just a cat (Bayun) 22 February 2022 12: 32
                        -4
                        Ooooh... we have something in common... I always say: kill the Ukrainian in yourself (laziness, envy, stupidity...), become a man.
                        Then why was it necessary to take all of Ukraine? Why not Somalia? For what? To suffer with them? Well, they die, well, they swell ... Evolution ...
                      6. Bakht Offline Bakht
                        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 22 February 2022 12: 39
                        +1
                        Because in Ukraine (all of Ukraine) there are at least 20 million Russian people. I agreed to the separation of the western regions (give Lvov to Poland). But the rest of Ukraine had to be taken. Now it's not obvious
                      7. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
                        Just a cat (Bayun) 22 February 2022 12: 50
                        -3
                        in Ukraine out of 30 million, 20 at least have Russian surnames? Doubtful. Rather, temporarily in the words "Russian" with the surname Parasyuk, in fact a crest ensign, and tomorrow "Bandera". Already taken several times, only the result is always the same. Khmelnitsky also called himself a Russian... To take all the urkaina for the sake of new Khmelnitsky? Does Russia have extra money or Russians as a consumable?
                      8. Bakht Offline Bakht
                        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 22 February 2022 12: 55
                        +1
                        Nobody knows the population of Ukraine. According to some estimates, there are still about 40 million people. But no one knows for sure.
                        The last name doesn't matter. Geopolitics implies both philosophy and demography as well.
                        A small digression into history. Recent.
                        In 2014, the Americans conducted a survey in Ukraine with the question "what is your main language." More than 50% answered that Ukrainian. The conclusion from the survey is 90% Russians.
                        Suddenly? No, it's just that during the survey there was a little trick from the organizers. The question was asked in two languages. 90% of respondents chose Russian as their answer. The survey organizers were not interested in the answers. They were interested in the mentality of the respondents.
                      9. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
                        Just a cat (Bayun) 22 February 2022 13: 09
                        -4
                        If the surname does not matter, then why do Polish, Russian, Jewish surnames have talents in this territory? They were not even awarded the Nobel Peace Prize, although there are two blacks there.
                        And they answered not in Russian, but in Surzhik. There is no Ukrainian language! Until now, they have not come to a single dictionary. There are those who consider themselves Russian, but do not know the Russian language. For example, the descendants of emigrants during the revolution. And their mentality showed that the entire army, police and navy went over to Bandera. They threatened to move to the Crimea because the army pays more there. They go to the army for the sake of money and they don’t give a damn where the shell flew .... I’ve already seen the drool and snot of remorse of the captured Ukrainian artilleryman, but I don’t believe it. They also say they want to eat, wife, children, selfish interests ... where they feed there and their homeland. 20 million is not recruited in any way. more at the margin of error. From the same Donbass that, under the control of the militia, how many chose to move to Urkaina or continue to consider themselves a Ukrainian? In Odessa alone, according to polls, a third fade away when the Russian army approaches.
        2. Alexpan Offline Alexpan
          Alexpan (Alexpan) 22 February 2022 20: 00
          +4
          Your opponent is right. You can not translate the exchange of arguments into an exchange of insults. These are not the rules of the discussion. Respect for the interlocutor refers to the elementary principles of the exchange of thoughts.
        3. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
          Just a cat (Bayun) 22 February 2022 20: 07
          0
          this applies only to those cases when the "opponent" accepts the arguments of others, and does not blindly believe in his own, because he so wants to and imposes them on others.
  • Denis radish Offline Denis radish
    Denis radish (Denis Moroz) 22 February 2022 17: 51
    0
    no one is going to show anything. if you don't see it, it's good.
  • Bulanov Offline Bulanov
    Bulanov (Vladimir) 22 February 2022 09: 40
    -2
    In fact, on Bankovaya, for sure, the most unrestrained fun reigns. Well, of course - after all, you can not be afraid of any more “coercion to Minsk”!

    I wonder how they will rejoice when the LDNR demand the Armed Forces of Ukraine to leave the administrative borders of their republics? And this includes Mariupol, where it seems like NATO is equipping its base. Bummer, how is it with Sevastopol? Or the restoration of the republics within their administrative boundaries is not visible in the near future? And what will R. Akhmetov say here - one of the main oligarchs of Ukraine, a significant part of whose property is in the DPR, and Zelensky's personal enemy? Will he try to solve his problems in Moscow? And under what conditions?
    1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
      Just a cat (Bayun) 22 February 2022 09: 53
      -9
      too late to claim. there are already borders, now it is a declaration of war on another state.
      1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 22 February 2022 10: 12
        -2
        If the republics make an ultimatum, it will be the liberation of their territory. But, yes, of course the war. It was only Russia that handed out its territories voluntarily. Ukraine will not give up .... immediately.
        1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
          Just a cat (Bayun) 22 February 2022 10: 18
          -3
          and now it is no longer their territory... with the same success, Russia can liberate its territories from Finland and the United States... Or Georgia from Turkey. that's all ... it was not necessary to knock with helmets and wait until the kind pan destroys everything, and lower the kidneys of Khokhloma while they only had injuries and a couple of battalions of Nazis. The army and navy of Ukrainians immediately surrendered... Now only crush the whole Khokhland into small pieces.
          1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 22 February 2022 10: 20
            0
            Now just crush all the hohlandia into small pieces.

            There is no doubt that this should be done.
            1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
              Just a cat (Bayun) 22 February 2022 10: 22
              -2
              These will be plans "Yo", "K", "L", "M", "N" .... not only everyone will write about the final plan "I" laughing
              1. tulip Offline tulip
                tulip 22 February 2022 16: 21
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                I like your Ukrainian schizophrenia, when 2 opposites fit in your head at once)))) Now you have Russia ahresor, then Russia is obliged to pump gas for you, for example. And here you didn’t disappoint - the DPR and LPR have borders like that - but they can’t poke their noses further, because Ukraine is there - but Ukraine does not recognize the DPR and LPR and all their borders. How does this porridge fit in your pan?)))
                1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
                  Just a cat (Bayun) 22 February 2022 16: 30
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                  Address beguiled or not overslept? Read my comments on this site. It will be Russia who will decide who and where will "poking around", and not all sorts of "Zakharchenkos". Who pays the one who orders the music. "suvalka" without the "north wind" has not grown yet ..
                  1. tulip Offline tulip
                    tulip 22 February 2022 16: 34
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                    Russia has already decided everything - Peskov said that they recognized it within the boundaries that they have administrative. So the LPR demands correctly, especially now for the LPR and the DPR there are such forces)))
                    1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
                      Just a cat (Bayun) 22 February 2022 16: 45
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                      This power of Zakharchenko regularly rolled lips when he dreamed of driving to Kiev on the Russian hump.

                      Moscow recognizes the LPR and the DPR within the boundaries within which the leadership of the republics exercises its powers and jurisdiction. This was reported by the Russian Foreign Ministry.

                      The ministry also stressed that Moscow does not want to break off diplomatic relations with Kiev.

                      “Russia has recognized the LPR and the DPR within the boundaries in which these republics are proclaimed and exist. <...> A break in diplomatic relations with Ukraine is highly undesirable, it will make relations between the two countries and peoples even more difficult,” said Dmitry Peskov, press secretary of the President of the Russian Federation.

                      Does the authority extend to any Mariupoli? no.
                      1. tulip Offline tulip
                        tulip 22 February 2022 17: 15
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                        Mariupol, by the way, took part in the referendum in the DPR and all powers apply to it. Peskov said everything correctly - within the borders in which they are proclaimed and exist - that is, within the administrative borders, since the DPR and LPR were proclaimed precisely within the borders of the Lugansk and Donetsk regions and exist within these administrative borders. So your link to the term "exist" has a double meaning, although I understand your mriyu to link this term specifically to those that exist now)))
                      2. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
                        Just a cat (Bayun) 22 February 2022 17: 21
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                        "Mriya" you have, and I have the facts laughing clarification of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs flew past the ears? Putin threw a cracker and jumped? You can’t deal with taxes, you pay in kuev, and then climb further. When you force Mariupol not to work for Kuev, then blurt out about the powers.
                      3. tulip Offline tulip
                        tulip 22 February 2022 17: 44
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                        I did not find anything in the specification of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs that would indicate your version - the interpretation of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs does not mean anything at all, since the issue of the borders of these republics is still being decided. In general, I very carefully studied the statements of officials and official ministries and everywhere I saw only a double interpretation of this issue, which gives me reason to assert that so far the decision on the borders has not been made at the highest level. And I think this is not accidental, since it is Ukraine that is put in an uncomfortable position, when all 2 options are very bad for it)))
                        1. Ukraine recognizes the LPR and DPR within the currently existing borders and receives the rest, but also a bunch of problems
                        2. Ukraine does not recognize the LPR and DPR within the current borders and gets a war, loses more territories and, again, a lot of problems
                        ps. And the LPR and DPR were proclaimed at one time precisely within the borders of the Lugansk and Donetsk regions, and not in the areas that they have now. So the same Peskov said so that everything could be done in different ways. And who is right Peskov or the Foreign Ministry - time will decide here)))
                      4. tulip Offline tulip
                        tulip 22 February 2022 18: 37
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                        today Zakharova, the official representative of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs again said vaguely)) As you can see, the borders were actually postponed for later ...

                        On February 22, the official representative of the Russian Foreign Ministry, Maria Zakharova, called the issue of the borders of the Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics (DNR and LNR) recognized by Russia as a matter of the future.
                      5. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
                        Just a cat (Bayun) 22 February 2022 19: 13
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                        There is such a tradition of Ukrainians by the nose to drive. Some are waiting for euro salaries, while others are waiting for Kiev to be "liberated". although it is not clear from what to release. The problem is in the saucepans, and the saucepans are empty. there is nothing to release laughing Can we wait another 8 years? Shoigu was given specific instructions - to maintain peace, not to expand territories.
                      6. tulip Offline tulip
                        tulip 22 February 2022 19: 17
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                        you find victory everywhere - even in zrada)))
                      7. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
                        Just a cat (Bayun) 22 February 2022 19: 27
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                        I generally feel purple, like Ukrainians share non-existent fat with each other. The mimic Mimino in Russia staged pogroms in the markets, fashionable Tajik guest workers were then taken out in echelons to the jubilation of all of Russia. The joy of meeting the first wave of refugees from Donbass ended in disappointment. Particularly brazen militias were deported. They staged drunken brawls with the display of badges in Moscow ... now the meeting will be cold. I don’t think that now they will show for weeks as before how refugees are fed, dressed, how the whole country collects humanitarian aid for them, etc.
                      8. tulip Offline tulip
                        tulip 22 February 2022 19: 30
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                        Putin just said live that Russia recognizes the LPR and DPR within the borders of the Lugansk and Donetsk regions of the times of Ukraine.
                      9. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
                        Just a cat (Bayun) 22 February 2022 19: 35
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                        Change the training manual two-week bot laughing I've been seeing them since 2014. if I have "Svidomo Mriyas" then you are the prima of the Bolshoi Theater ... laughing
                        In the LDNR, there is now total mobilization, the psyakrev went on a breakthrough, Putin gave the go-ahead to use the army outside of Russia. Nord Stream 2 is frozen. gas will jump in Europe until 2000. Accordingly, the people of Urkain are waiting for the stoppage of the entire industry and funny payments for gas.
                      10. tulip Offline tulip
                        tulip 22 February 2022 19: 45
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                        and why are you on your hypoxic couch, and not in battle?)))
                      11. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
                        Just a cat (Bayun) 22 February 2022 19: 52
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                        I will repeat again. I've known people like you since 2014 laughing hypoxic sofa under the two lower hemispheres. Or do you write "defender" of Donbass from a burning tank? laughing
                      12. tulip Offline tulip
                        tulip 22 February 2022 19: 57
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                        I, too, like you know and love to bring you to clean water. So I brought you out of the dusk))) so smoke dung - Putin announced that Russia recognizes the LPR and DPR within the borders of the Luhansk and Donetsk regions
                      13. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
                        Just a cat (Bayun) 22 February 2022 20: 03
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                        hahaha laughing I've been here for two years on this profile, but will you be here in two weeks, troll? dung smoking kiev, kharkov and odessa will be on the background of freezing of the northern stream.
                      14. tulip Offline tulip
                        tulip 22 February 2022 20: 15
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                        yes, I understand that you have such a job - 2 years from a hypoxic sofa to write here - I found something to brag about))) So yours is "it's too late to demand. There are already borders, now this is a declaration of war on another state" - you can smoke))) Russia, LNR and DNR will punish you ukrokatel)
                      15. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
                        Just a cat (Bayun) 22 February 2022 20: 24
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                        how stupid and naive you are laughing until the LDNR returns its borders as they want, the rest of the Aboriginal population will die out. LDNR, if it becomes part of Russia, then obviously not tomorrow, but the whole Ukraine will definitely have problems tomorrow. maybe gas transit through urkaina will be blocked. and how will the unfortunate Little Russians warm themselves? laughing at least the forests in the Carpathian region remained with the raguli)))
                      16. tulip Offline tulip
                        tulip 22 February 2022 20: 30
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                        while you are stupid))) your opinion turned out to be false - Putin clarified everything today, you can smoke dung and try to jump off further - but you are no longer interested
                      17. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
                        Just a cat (Bayun) 22 February 2022 20: 39
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                        What did Putin clarify? will the Russian armed forces reach Lvov, will they feed all Ukrainians with buckwheat and hand out duvets? Khochlofils have activity at each exacerbation, and ends with the addition of a couple of dilapidated villages with decrepit old women. I have nowhere to hurry.
  • Bakht Offline Bakht
    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 22 February 2022 09: 54
    +1
    I wonder how they will rejoice when the LDNR demand the Armed Forces of Ukraine to leave the administrative borders of their republics?

    Demand, of course they will. And if the Armed Forces of Ukraine do not leave?
    There are already reports that the recognition will be within the actual limits. But the final decision will be made in the Federation Council today or tomorrow.
  • Bakht Offline Bakht
    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 22 February 2022 10: 00
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    Deputy Chairman of the Federation Council Committee on International Affairs Andrey Klimov said that Russia recognized the independence of the DPR and LPR within the actual borders, the Rossiya 24 TV channel reports.

    “We are talking, of course, about those territories that are within the boundaries established today. Everything else is outside the scope of legal action.”Klimov said.

    He specified when the Federation Council will ratify the agreement with the republics of Donbass.

    “Then this text goes for ratification in both chambers of the Federal Assembly. Tomorrow we will consider this issue as part of the ratification procedures,” Klimov said.

    https://www.gazeta.ru/politics/news/2022/02/22/17327035.shtml
    1. Bakht Offline Bakht
      Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 22 February 2022 10: 16
      +2
      And here is another message.

      The LPR and DPR will be recognized within the borders of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions, said Kalashnikov, head of the State Duma Committee on the CIS.

      As I understand it, the Council of Federations itself does not yet know what exactly they have recognized.
      1. Bakht Offline Bakht
        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 22 February 2022 10: 20
        +2
        The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation also does not know anything yet

        Before discussing the issue of the borders of the DPR and LPR, it is necessary that Russia and the Donbass republics ratify mutual friendship agreements, said Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova

        https://www.rbc.ru/politics/22/02/2022/6214823b9a79477bac0a734e
  • Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 22 February 2022 10: 41
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    I wonder how they will rejoice when the LDNR demand the Armed Forces of Ukraine to leave the administrative borders of their republics?

    They won't require. DPR and LPR recognized on the actual borders.
    1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 22 February 2022 11: 11
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      I don’t know how it will be written in the papers, but the liberation of the rest of the territory will begin within a week.
  • Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 22 February 2022 10: 09
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    The recognition of the republics within the current borders is an unconditional defeat for Russia.
    This is what is called "swing for the ruble, hit for a penny." Although, purely humanly, I am very happy for the 4 million people living in the republics.
    Recognition of the republics within the boundaries of the regions is a war. But anything is better than the first option. And all the same, this is a defeat, albeit sweetened by the liberated territory.
    The liberation of Novorossia, access to the borders of Romania and Hungary is already a worthy option. A bonus is the common border with Transnistria.
    As for the liberation of the territory of the whole of Ukraine .... I confess it is difficult for me to say "for" or "against". And it's not the resistance of local residents. Sorry, at one time Germany, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, Poland, Czechoslovakia were controlled after the Second World War. And they all fought against the USSR and hated the winners. So it is quite possible to deal with a piece of the former Ukraine.
    Will it be beneficial for Russia? Or is it better to leave this piece to the Poles from the USA?
  • shiva Offline shiva
    shiva (Ivan) 22 February 2022 10: 18
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    Putin said very clearly - Ukraine has no experience of statehood, no independence and sovereignty. There are territories that are ruled by a regime that has seized power in a criminal way and has stained itself with the genocide of its own people.
    And readiness to defend up to a preventive strike, Putin expressed.
    1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
      Just a cat (Bayun) 22 February 2022 10: 25
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      Where did this "mode" come from? local Ukrainians got a "bait" ... they will choose others, the same thing will happen, but there is no one to choose from))) they have no successful examples.
  • Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 22 February 2022 10: 18
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    In fact, on Bankovaya, for sure, the most unrestrained fun reigns. Well, of course - after all, you can not be afraid of any more “coercion to Minsk”! No need to dodge and lie recklessly

    Representing Kiev as stupid is not right and smart. They are well aware that this may be only the first step. And I do not believe that Kiev and Moscow have agreed. Therefore, I think that now Kiev is sitting on treason, not knowing what to do and where to run.
  • Bakht Offline Bakht
    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 22 February 2022 10: 31
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    Here is another opinion. This is the beginning of the war



    I wrote yesterday. Everything is decided by pace. The war will be for Ukraine. And in general, for a new world order.
  • Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 22 February 2022 10: 32
    +1
    Now the battle for Donbass has been won practically without a fight. In any case, significant casualties and losses were avoided.

    Bold, straight to the point of recklessness, statement.
    Until we receive sanctions, we will not know how significant the losses will be.
    And something tells me that the size of our economic losses will be exactly the same regardless of the size of the liberated territory.

    Yes, and Donbass, for the most part, remained with the enemies.
    These media victories are so strangely vilely virtual that they make you sick.
    1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
      Just a cat (Bayun) 22 February 2022 10: 40
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      everything interesting is now ahead ... the runners for pensions from the Ukrainian Reich and Sumerian fat will now have problems. In Russia, they are entitled to a minimum salary due to lack of experience or not at all. Those who in the Donbass still consider themselves Ukrainians may fade away. someone directed the artillery and helped the DRG.
  • Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 22 February 2022 10: 54
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    About the occupation of Galicia. In my opinion, this is a toxic resource. It's like Georgia, able to live well - only parasitizing on a large and juicy donor. Therefore, let Poland "eat" them or a new Lithuania will appear. It won't do much harm, except that there will be more political stench.
    1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
      Just a cat (Bayun) 22 February 2022 11: 11
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      and if you remember how they collected Sumeria? in the west, crafts and industry belonged to the Romanians, Hungarians, and Poles. In the east, Russian industry with a Russian majority population. And in the center there is an agrarian "superpower" in which nothing but cherries grew because of laziness, and the owner will feed him anyway.
  • Bakht Offline Bakht
    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 22 February 2022 11: 07
    +2
    We have to wait for an official decision. But for now the information is

    The State Duma denied the recognition of the DPR and LPR within the borders of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions

    https://lenta.ru/news/2022/02/22/oproverg/
    1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 22 February 2022 11: 17
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      10:03. The official representative of the Russian Foreign Ministry, Maria Zakharova, said that before discussing in what borders the Russian Federation recognizes the LPR and DPR, it is necessary to ratify the friendship treaty.
  • steelmaker Offline steelmaker
    steelmaker 22 February 2022 11: 22
    -3
    With his recognition of the LDNR, Putin showed his mediocrity as a politician. Cooks and taxi drivers talked about recognition back in 2015. So who was right? Now cooks and taxi drivers say that we must go to the end. Destroy the Armed Forces of Ukraine and take most of Ukraine, cut off from the seas, so that no one needs the rest of Ukraine. If Putin gets cold feet again, it will only get worse for Russia.
    1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
      Just a cat (Bayun) 22 February 2022 11: 40
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      nobody keeps cooks with taxi drivers... forward and with a song... to the end. cooks have already ruined two empires with their councils. Russian and Soviet.
    2. gorenina91 Offline gorenina91
      gorenina91 (Irina) 22 February 2022 12: 16
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      Cooks and taxi drivers talked about recognition back in 2015. So who was right? Now cooks and taxi drivers say that we must go to the end. Destroy the Armed Forces of Ukraine and take most of Ukraine, cut off from the seas, so that no one needs the rest of Ukraine. If Putin gets cold feet again, it will only get worse for Russia.

      - My plus to you !!!
      - Ha, yes, that's the point; that only "demonstrative performances" continue, instead of taking active radical steps ... - And very soon (without radical actions on the part of Russia) - everything will "come to naught" ... - Yes - that's right - that's it again "will come to naught" ... - Russia will never do anything radical ...
      - Well, they brought troops into the territory of the LDNR, and what's next ???
      - Well, for some time everything will calm down a bit ... - And then all these provocations by the Armed Forces of Ukraine will continue ... - Yes, they will continue ... - Only skirmishes will already be between Russian units and the Armed Forces of Ukraine ... - that's all ... - Little will change ... - Why not continue to shoot the Armed Forces of Ukraine - after all, all Ukrainian
      civilian objects are far from the "shooting zone" and nothing will threaten the Ukrainian population ...
      - So the authority of Russia will be greatly shaken; when Russia will be forced to intervene in these skirmishes with the Armed Forces of Ukraine ...
      - And then Ukraine will be accepted into NATO and the skirmishes will reach a completely "different level" ...
      - So, if Russia does not urgently begin to act radically, then Russia is simply provided with a very, very large fiasco ...
      - How I wish I was wrong!
  • T1000 Offline T1000
    T1000 (T1000) 22 February 2022 11: 31
    +1
    FOR Elizabeth Truss, Jen Psaki, Jens Stoltenberg I want to put on a song by the Leningrad group - Road
    1. T1000 Offline T1000
      T1000 (T1000) 22 February 2022 20: 53
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      and Zelensky
  • 123 Offline 123
    123 (123) 22 February 2022 11: 55
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    It's too early to analyze and draw conclusions. Not enough information.
    1) The referendum was held throughout the entire territory of the Lugansk Donetsk regions, respectively, they are recognized within the former administrative boundaries of the above regions. There is no talk of any ORDLO or within the territory de facto held. In any case, I did not find any.
    2) The vague wording "to provide before the conclusion of the treaty" "peacekeeping functions" seems to mean that now, for shelling, capturing the gray zone and other infamy, Svidomo heroes will have the opportunity to show off in front of the hot girls with stories about participating in real battles with the "aggressor", naturally not only all but the survivors of course. This will definitely not bring peace to the pianist (may the real musicians forgive me), it will not be possible to get away from discussing the territorial integrity of the two neighboring states. Only now the young republics will calmly poke pitchforks into this heap of manure and, in surprise, making the eyebrows look like a house, ask - what is this lying around on our land?
    3) For Kiev, this is not good. Republic recognized. Disagree? Your move. And there is nowhere to go and nothing. Opportunities are limited to smearing snot with a forelock and begging for pennies from "the whole world is with us."

    In order to at least approximately understand how the situation will develop and how they will act further, we need to look at it more broadly, I will not be afraid of this word globally. It is not correct to consider Donetsk and Luhansk in isolation from the general situation.
    We must take into account how much European partners can afford to pout (we are monitoring the filling of gas storage facilities), understand the prospects for the global economy, what kind of relations the US and Europe will have with China. How is the situation developing on the "periphery".
    There are many interesting events here that are practically not talked about, from the results of the arrival of the ataman of all Brazil and the withdrawal of the French military (and other Estonian canteens) from Mali, to the appearance on New Year's Eve of the Patriarchal Exarchate of the Russian Orthodox Church in Africa (warm greetings to those who supported the Thermos for the schismatics, the Patriarch of Alexandria and the standing after him to the Greek co-religionistssmile ).
    In general, everything is much more interesting and everything is just beginning yes
  • Valery Vagin Offline Valery Vagin
    Valery Vagin (Valery Vagin) 23 February 2022 20: 04
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    Author!
    We have already talked with you, if you can, then in doses, drop by drop, add the depth of disclosure of the background of the processes.
    You are good at it.
    I quote a commentary on various articles, but, unfortunately, the level of understanding of complex things for many wants to be ...
    Analysis of relationships and processes between Russia, the USA, Europe are interstate processes.
    But it is unlikely that this level is sufficient for consideration, even involving the entire Western civilization (the West) for this.
    Commentators who cannot bear to understand complex things - it is harmful to read further!
    Everything is relative.
    The West has been trying for centuries to solve the Russian question once and for all: to destroy Russia and the Russians.
    This is in the Western concept, first set forth in the bible, which is prayed to and blindly followed.
    Power is the exercised ability to govern.
    Unfortunately, Lenin's call before the VOSR that state administration should be taught to cooks and laborers has not been implemented.
    Now global and international governance should be taught.
    The current successes of Russia in the international arena are determined by the fact that it is time to destroy the superpower - the United States, they are no longer needed by the "masters" of mankind, they are too dangerous and unpredictable.
    The situation is more complicated with the “pooping Englishwoman”, she “monitors” the entire West and you can easily knock out a stool from under her.
    What will be all the descriptions of global processes without taking into account the "masters of the world", let everyone decide for himself.
    It is only necessary to remind the opponents of conspiracy theories that for a start it is not harmful for them to read and think about R. Epperson's book: "Looking at history as a conspiracy."
    Of course, to avert the eyes and attention of people, the henchmen of those who develop conspiracies convince everyone that conspiracies do not exist in nature, and the global historical process "goes on, wanders by itself, like a mortar with Baba Yaga."
    For several centuries, the “masters of the world” have been interested in resolving the systemic global crisis of capitalism, threatening a worldwide catastrophe, in the extreme case, by “gnawing” the Earth like the planet Plug in the movie “Kin-dza-dza”.
    Therefore, in my opinion, all descriptions without taking into account the “masters of the world” are unlikely to be complete and true, including the processes of turning the West into an “evil empire”, so that everyone who now desires nishtyaks from Western civilization would be warned and then not yell at all corners: “What are we for?”.
    It's time to see that the "go-ahead" on the part of the "masters of mankind": to kill biblical civilization, has already been given, moreover, this go-ahead is several centuries old.
    But due to the fact that many have not even heard of global governance, this go-ahead is not observed by them.
    The current situation in Russia, among other things, is determined by the results of a quiet coup d'etat in the USSR, arranged by home-grown and foreign "elites" from 26.06.1953/04.10.1993/XNUMX (execution from Beria's armored personnel carrier at a dinner in the house) to XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX (shooting from tanks of the remnants of Soviet power in the White House ).
    An ultimatum to the West is hardly possible without the unobtrusive advice of Russia's "masters of mankind" in order to slow down the possibility of a global catastrophe.
    What can follow the failure of the West of agreements with Russia to reformat global processes in which the West now unreasonably considers itself the hegemon?
    The widely discussed military and military-technical responses from Russia are being ignored by the West, which has happened more than once in the past.
    The order to use weapons (Russia once again warned about military and military-technical means) is given by the military, they are “prompted” by the political leadership, and the “masters of mankind” advise them “unobtrusively”.
    Most likely, a blow will be struck without the use of nuclear weapons and chemical weapons on the political (for starters, on the military in the Outskirts, Poland, the Balts - they know above who to choose as a scapegoat) leadership in any country, when the "elites" gather more or less compactly , but this blow will be powerful enough to "bury" most of the "elitist" [email protected]@@wtd, and the surviving "politicians" will rush to persuade politicians in other countries to behave: "below water and quieter than grass."
    The rationale for this strike is very simple:
    • The USSR collapsed - a significant part of the Soviet and Russian peoples are scattered across different countries;
    • In the 90s, about ten million people (mostly men aged 25-40) were destroyed in various ways from gang wars, burned alcohol, to the loss of the meaning of life for people;
    • collapsed industry and agriculture,
    • many valuables that were created by more than one generation of Soviet people were taken out;
    • The country was ruled by foreign managers, lining their own pockets and the pockets of their masters.
    Whether such an option is possible or not, whether the development of events will come to it, will be shown by the not so distant future.
    The only thing to add is that the Western “elites” are accustomed, without reasoning, to carry out the decisions of the “masters of mankind”, including those that force different layers of the “elites” to carry out everything according to the principle: “some for the forest, some for firewood”.
    The warning that punishment is inevitable can sometimes be stronger than the punishment.
    Putin's: "we, like martyrs, will go to heaven, and they will simply die."
    Criminals bathing in impunity are cowards to look for.
    In fact, visual punishment will be similar to the disaster near Smolensk in March 2010.
    Only then it was not Russia and not the Creator who punished, they punished themselves - the psyche of so many scoundrels could not help but commit hara-kiri after 60 years of lying along with the Nazis.
    And here, the gun is already hanging on the wall in the first act of the play, in the third act it will definitely fire.
    They (any "elite" in any Russophobic country) will make hara-kiri themselves or from another country (not Russia) will commit bungling.
    And in ordinary life, criminals (or their children) of this level do not escape retribution.
    It's not about karma, but about the vicious psyche, which is increasingly giving out wrong decisions.
    And what is the wrong decision of the psyche?
    It's wrong actions ending in tragedy