What should Russia do if Kiev fulfills the Minsk agreements

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Yesterday, February 15, there was a frank disappointment. Putin actually rejected the State Duma's appeal to recognize the DNR and LNR. According to the President, the priority in resolving the issue of Donbass remains the Minsk agreements, which Kiev has been refusing to comply with for the eighth year. However, in this whole situation, something else remains incomprehensible.


Namely, why is Russia seeking the implementation of "Minsk"? What benefits will this bring to Moscow, as well as to Donetsk and Luhansk? And is it a benefit?

Imagine that the Kiev authorities in some incredible way agreed to the implementation of "Minsk". The maximum form of self-government that the LDNR will provide will be an autonomous republic. That is, these entities will become state autonomies within a single Ukraine. This is the position of the Minsk agreements themselves - Ukraine remains a single state. Despite the status of autonomy (as it was, for example, with the Crimea), Donetsk and Lugansk will nevertheless be obliged to obey Kiev. Yes, they will be granted certain rights to self-government, they will be allowed to leave the Russian language as the “second state language”, but it will still be an “independent” Ukraine with all the consequences.

On the territory of Donbass, the existence of the People's Militia, which is not controlled by Kiev, will become impossible. They will have to be completely disarmed and disbanded. Moreover, according to the same "Minsk", the border of the unrecognized republics with Russia should be transferred to the Ukrainian security forces. And believe me, this border will subsequently be turned into a kind of Maginot Line.

As a result, a number of questions arise. What about more than 800 Russian citizens in the LPR and DPR? What to do with the ruble, which was put into circulation long ago instead of the Ukrainian hryvnia? And in general, economic, social and политическая the integration of Russia with the republics of Donbass is in full swing. Cancel everything and literally hand over your people? How can Moscow get out of the situation if Kiev does comply with the Minsk agreements?

Lots of questions that haven't been answered yet.

As a State Duma deputy, chairman of the Committee on Commonwealth of Independent States Leonid Kalashnikov correctly noted, it is still unclear whose actions “Minsk” fetters more - Ukraine or Russia. Recent events speak of the second option.
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  1. Bulanov Offline Bulanov
    Bulanov (Vladimir) 16 February 2022 11: 54
    +6
    Ukraine, when united with the LDNR, can always block financial flows from Kiev. So they strangled Crimea at one time and removed the Crimean president. So not everything is simple. And Russia will not help.
    1. Gennady1959 Offline Gennady1959
      Gennady1959 (Gennady) 16 February 2022 13: 05
      -7
      Putin again caved in before the "Western partners." Suddenly, the "partners" will take the accounts of the friends of the GDP and arrest them.
      1. gorskova.ir Offline gorskova.ir
        gorskova.ir (Irina Gorskova) 16 February 2022 20: 32
        +4
        Do not be upset 1959. But Reuters was waiting so much, waiting for the Russians so much that they played the Russian anthem for the whole Kuev. While the piano, sorry, the President of Ukraine portrayed something at the airport.
      2. goncharov.62 Offline goncharov.62
        goncharov.62 (Andrei) 17 February 2022 11: 52
        0
        Silly. And I could live...
    2. Rusa Offline Rusa
      Rusa 16 February 2022 19: 56
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      The best thing is the federalization of Ukraine, and also that the Russian language, in addition to Ukrainian, should become the second state language in the country. We just need to adopt a new Constitution with amendments.
      1. goncharov.62 Offline goncharov.62
        goncharov.62 (Andrei) 17 February 2022 11: 53
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        The best and most necessary thing is the elimination of the abscess near Russia. It is possible with lotions. From plumbum. This definitely helps.
  2. Bakht Offline Bakht
    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 16 February 2022 12: 13
    +7
    I have a strong feeling that no one has read the text of the Minsk agreements
    Article

    On the territory of Donbass, the existence of the People's Militia, which is not controlled by Kiev, will become impossible. They will have to be completely disarmed and disbanded.

    In agreement

    - the creation of detachments of the people's militia according to the decision of local councils in order to maintain public order in certain districts of Donetsk and Lugansk regions;
    1. Kristallovich Online Kristallovich
      Kristallovich (Ruslan) 16 February 2022 12: 33
      +2
      - the creation of detachments of the people's militia according to the decision of local councils in order to maintain public order in certain districts of Donetsk and Lugansk regions;

      At least you read the Minsk agreements, but, apparently, you didn’t understand anything. The People's Militia today is the renamed Armed Forces, which have tanks, artillery, etc. Detachments of "people's militia" from the Minsk agreements are precisely the police, plus the squad. In any case, no one will give them uncontrolled security forces.
      1. Bakht Offline Bakht
        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 16 February 2022 12: 47
        +3
        Do you know for sure or are you guessing? The People's Militia was established in 2014. So not "today", but "always". The Minsk agreements do not specify the composition and armament of the people's militia.
        There is another moment. Within the state, ALL power structures are subordinate to the government. In which there will be representatives of the LDNR.
        1. Kristallovich Online Kristallovich
          Kristallovich (Ruslan) 16 February 2022 13: 08
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          The People's Militia was established in 2014.

          You're wrong. In the early years of the DPR, it was the Armed Forces. Only then they were renamed the People's Militia.

          The Minsk agreements do not specify the composition and armament of the people's militia. I am quoting your post above.: - creation of people's militia detachments by decision of local councils in order to maintain public order in certain areas of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions;

          That is, you believe that heavy armored vehicles, multiple launch rocket systems, cannon artillery are needed to "maintain public order", do I understand correctly?

          Within the state, ALL power structures are subordinate to the government. In which there will be representatives of the LDNR.

          Power posts will never be given to representatives of the LDNR. Get secondary jobs. Nevertheless, you acknowledge that there will be no uncontrolled security forces in the republics. This is the main thing. The Ukrainian army will be quartered on the territory of Donbass.
          1. Bakht Offline Bakht
            Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 16 February 2022 13: 28
            -2
            On October 7, 2014, by decree No. 15 of the head of the LPR, Igor Plotnitsky, the People's Militia of the LPR was created
            1. Kristallovich Online Kristallovich
              Kristallovich (Ruslan) 16 February 2022 13: 29
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              On October 7, 2014, by decree No. 15 of the head of the LPR, Igor Plotnitsky, the People's Militia of the LPR was created

              Wonderful. Only for some reason you decided not to notice that I am writing about the DPR, and not about the LPR.
              1. Bakht Offline Bakht
                Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 16 February 2022 13: 35
                -2
                Yes, armed forces were created in the DPR. But I write about Donbass in general.
                Anyway.
                1. Kiev will never comply with the Minsk agreements.
                2. With a federal structure of the state and its own militia (in addition to the militia, its own prosecutor's office and court and executive authorities are registered), it will not be possible to strangle the regions.
                3. The annexation of Donbass puts an end to the "hopes" of all Russians in Ukraine. Without the influence of Donbass on political life in Kiev, Ukraine will become completely Bandera.

                I consider the annexation of Donbass to Russia (and even the annexation of Novorossia only) a geopolitical defeat for Russia. I wrote about this for a long time and have not changed my opinion yet.
                1. Kristallovich Online Kristallovich
                  Kristallovich (Ruslan) 16 February 2022 15: 18
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                  All of this has nothing to do with our original argument.
      2. Dan Offline Dan
        Dan (Daniel) 16 February 2022 13: 16
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        Quote: Kristallovich
        The People's Militia today is the renamed Armed Forces, which have tanks, artillery, etc.

        Nothing has been renamed. Dig for the true meaning of the term. This is an armed militia, created for the period of the war, recruited from local residents, that is, from assigned staff.
        1. Kristallovich Online Kristallovich
          Kristallovich (Ruslan) 16 February 2022 13: 24
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          Nothing has been renamed. Dig for the true meaning of the term. This is an armed militia, created for the period of the war, recruited from local residents, that is, from assigned staff.

          Just look at the briefings of the same Basurin 2015-2018. There is no longer any militia. There are the Armed Forces of the Donetsk People's Republic, the Ministry of Defense of the DPR. They were also called in our Russian media until the moment when they were renamed the NM of the DPR. This is either 2018 or 2019, I don’t remember exactly.
          1. Dan Offline Dan
            Dan (Daniel) 16 February 2022 13: 46
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            Quote: Kristallovich
            Just look at the briefings of the same Basurin 2015-2018. There is no longer any militia. There are armed forces

            The briefings do not discuss the structure of the armed forces of the LDNR and the strategic plans for their future fate. In addition, the process of building state bodies is intensively developing in the LDNR. The issue of signs and names may be late. In the USSR / RF, the police also existed for a long time, although the functions were performed by purely police officers and were no longer formed in a militia way. And the appeal to journalists is generally not one way ..... These "literates" are capable of any mistakes in their comments.
            1. Kristallovich Online Kristallovich
              Kristallovich (Ruslan) 16 February 2022 15: 20
              -2
              How hard it is for you to admit that you are wrong, oh how hard ... Be that as it may, this will not change the fact - the DPR had the Armed Forces and the Ministry of Defense, then it was renamed the People's Militia. That's all.
          2. gorskova.ir Offline gorskova.ir
            gorskova.ir (Irina Gorskova) 16 February 2022 20: 29
            +2
            So what? Do you think that after 8 years of constant shelling from Kiev, provocations, terrorist attacks .... the republics will silently look at this? Do they have to protect themselves? Yes. That's what they protect. As for what you call them, it doesn't matter.
      3. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
        steelmaker 16 February 2022 14: 02
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        The People's Militia today is the renamed Armed Forces

        This is what you want to believe. But the Bandera people do not think so and will demand to disarm, and how will relations be sorted out then?
  3. goncharov.62 Offline goncharov.62
    goncharov.62 (Andrei) 16 February 2022 12: 25
    +2
    In place of the Ukrainians - Bandera, clenching my teeth into a fist (especially zealous to the wall, but quickly), I would accept and execute Minsk, smile for a year (!) He blocked the border with Polish soldiers and sprats. Then he calmly hung EVERYONE. Under the joyful shitty fanfare and tears of wretched Russia, which has once again been swindled... AND EVERYTHING... The End ,,,
    1. Bakht Offline Bakht
      Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 16 February 2022 12: 29
      +5
      Khokhlo-Bandera are so stupid and greedy that they failed the brilliant operation of the West back in 2014. If they had fulfilled the agreements with Yanukovych and left him in power, then now all of Ukraine would be in NATO. And Russia would not have received Crimea.
      1. goncharov.62 Offline goncharov.62
        goncharov.62 (Andrei) 17 February 2022 11: 55
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        God bless them to continue in the same spirit!
    2. rotkiv04 Online rotkiv04
      rotkiv04 (Victor) 16 February 2022 14: 05
      -1
      In the end it will be
    3. Vdars Offline Vdars
      Vdars (Victor) 17 February 2022 11: 37
      0
      But they have NOT PERFORMED for 8 years!!
  4. svoroponov Offline svoroponov
    svoroponov (Vyacheslav) 16 February 2022 12: 26
    +1
    If the Minsk agreements were in favor of Ukraine, then they would probably have been fulfilled long ago. So there is something that does not allow it to be done by Ukraine. Perhaps a change in the constitution and the likelihood of similar demands for greater economic independence from other areas, which implies a redistribution of finances. Perhaps, due to a decent population, the redistribution of votes in elections to the highest authorities in favor of the opposition. It is possible that the exploits of the authorities in these territories will become known with the disclosure of facts throughout the country, well, something else is also possible.
    It is possible to envy that when these regions interact economically with Russia, they will develop faster and be more economically successful.
  5. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
    Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 16 February 2022 13: 19
    +4
    I agree with the article. That's how things are.
    The process of turning Ukraine into an anti-human state continues.
    The agreements, calculated at the limit of compromise even at the time of signing, now will not be able to protect the inhabitants of the LPR and DPR.
    The letter of the law in a state that will hate them will not be able to guarantee them anything.
    It's as clear as God's day.
    The fact that we made a deal with conscience in relation to the LNR and the DNR resulted in the Minsk agreements. They already then were with "smell."
    Now the West, and our language, has already firmly bound us to this fundamentally vicious compromise. In order to get out of this situation, it must be honestly recognized.
    Since it just happened - the less we connect with these agreements in the present and future - the better
  6. yo yo Offline yo yo
    yo yo (Vasya Vasin) 16 February 2022 13: 29
    0
    Russia needs all of Ukraine, not the DPR and LPR.
    1. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
      steelmaker 16 February 2022 14: 10
      -3
      Putin's Russia only wants money. If Putin needed Ukraine, he would calmly take it in 2014! Quietly, like Crimea!
      1. goncharov.62 Offline goncharov.62
        goncharov.62 (Andrei) 17 February 2022 11: 59
        -1
        How much of your rich (apparently so) budget will you waste on feeding banderlogs, yelling "But we have nothing to do with it!" and restoration of the killed industry of Ukraine?
    2. goncharov.62 Offline goncharov.62
      goncharov.62 (Andrei) 17 February 2022 11: 57
      0
      The question is the price-quality of the population - time. Well, to carry out appropriate work with the masses. In the meantime - at least not to supply diesel fuel for tanks ...
  7. Dan Offline Dan
    Dan (Daniel) 16 February 2022 13: 32
    +6
    Yesterday, February 15, there was a frank disappointment. Putin actually rejected the appeal of the State Duma on the recognition of the DPR and LPR

    Article without signature. Looks like an anonymous opinion? I think that Putin did not reject anything. The Duma issued its decision as a preparation for the final decision of the President. This allows almost with the first volleys of artillery preparation before the offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on the LDNR, without wasting time on the meeting of the State Duma and their formal actions that require hours, or even days (during weekends, for example), with one stroke of the pen in a couple of minutes to announce the decision of the State of the Russian Federation on the recognition of the LDNR and immediately begin practical work to provide military-technical assistance to its militia units. Considering the small territory of the LDNR, there may be minutes left for reflection and action for decisive actions. The author of the article does not understand this, apparently. And why? The main thing is to be understood in Kiev. And Kiev understood everything. Therefore, he sits evenly, although not calmly. He knows that preparations of documents on recognition, on cooperation, on the allocation of forces and means to strike with missiles and airborne forces, orders to strike with a list of priority targets are already on the tables of people who actually make decisions. And already Minsk-3 does not shine for them (Ze and his team). So Putin did not cave in to anyone. It complies with the formal requirements of international law. From this point of view, it is almost impossible to hook him. Even in Crimea, one does not hear about the real decisions of the courts, because everything was done as close as possible to the UN Charter and related legislation.
    1. Dingo Offline Dingo
      Dingo (Victor) 16 February 2022 14: 15
      +1
      https://dumatv.ru/news/peskov--prezident-prinyal-k-svedeniyu-obraschenie-gosdumi-o-priznanii-dnr-i-lnr
    2. Vdars Offline Vdars
      Vdars (Victor) 17 February 2022 11: 41
      0
      This is what I really want to believe!
  8. Moray Boreas Offline Moray Boreas
    Moray Boreas (Morey Borey) 16 February 2022 13: 47
    +1
    Agreements that have not been working for the 8th year already ... this is a cleverly concocted document that allows all parties to hang out in the hole for an indefinitely long time. No penalties. In essence, this is fiction. Well, for another 158 years he will not work, and the dances with tambourines around him will continue ... and live well, life is good, for whom it is good, and for whom not a damn thing.
    1. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
      Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 16 February 2022 14: 07
      +1
      Well, for another 158 years he will not work

      Are you absolutely sure about this?
      Could then give security guarantees to the residents of the LPR and DPR?
      It is easy for you to argue, but the people there, and the future of their children, are really hostages of these pieces of paper, as "the limit of the possible."
      Russia acted with them according to the principle: "They deceive the expectations of those who want to be deceived", along the way using them as a voluntary "buffer" zone
  9. Jacques sekavar Online Jacques sekavar
    Jacques sekavar (Jacques Sekavar) 16 February 2022 13: 52
    +3
    Nothing. If he does, he will put up his border guards, carry out a cleansing in the DPR-LPR and, as a winner, continue his anti-RF policy under the applause of Western partners.
    For those who defended the DPR-LPR, the Russian Federation may provide political asylum and even allocate some kind of one-time allowance, the rest will take Ukrainian citizenship.
    1. beeper Offline beeper
      beeper 16 February 2022 14: 55
      0
      Many of those who defended the DPR-LPR and tried to obtain political asylum in the Russian Federation, the Russian bourgeois authorities calmly handed over at the border into the clutches of "partners" from Bandera's "bezpeka"! request
    2. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
      Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 16 February 2022 15: 05
      +2
      That is, according to your easy words, the disgusting will naturally end.
      The Russian Federation used them and threw them away.
      The interests of the Russian Federation were not affected? - Not.
      So - everything is in order?
  10. Dingo Offline Dingo
    Dingo (Victor) 16 February 2022 14: 11
    +2
    When on one side of the scale are the lives of hundreds of thousands of Russian people in the Donbass, who have been living under the shelling of the Ukronazis for 8 years, and on the other - the well-being of one and a half hundred of their nouveau friends ... Here you need to think ... and "take note of ...".
    https://dumatv.ru/news/peskov--prezident-prinyal-k-svedeniyu-obraschenie-gosdumi-o-priznanii-dnr-i-lnr
  11. viktortarianik Offline viktortarianik
    viktortarianik (Victor) 16 February 2022 14: 15
    +3
    The Minsk agreements did not work because the deadlines for the implementation of each item were not set after the expiration of which any sanctions would be imposed on those who did not comply. Again, it is not stipulated what to do in case of failure to fulfill the points of the agreement on time. This is how Ukraine got the opportunity to NEVER comply with the agreement.
  12. Nikolay Moroz Offline Nikolay Moroz
    Nikolay Moroz (Nikolay Moroz) 16 February 2022 14: 42
    -1
    First of all..!!!it will be necessary for KIEV to agree with DONETSK ..and it will be oh, how not easy ..time has passed when Moscow could do something to please KIEV ..and now the DPR will present its demands ..which they really don’t like. .so "let's say" no longer fails .. there are only three floors of criminal cases .. and that it all thinks that it is possible like this and goodbye.
    1. Nikolay Moroz Offline Nikolay Moroz
      Nikolay Moroz (Nikolay Moroz) 16 February 2022 14: 49
      0
      Kiev, whatever one may say, needs to go and negotiate the DPR .. but there is no deadline .. therefore, they will negotiate for 10 years .. until reasonable power comes .. and not as someone wants .. gathered .. signed and let's drive the separatists .. those until they get their benefit .. and they will benefit when KIEV withdraws the troops .. and then what to do with this herd of military men who have to be paid and there is no money .. and the West will give hell ..
  13. German Offline German
    German (Novel) 16 February 2022 15: 29
    +1
    Do not worry, at the stage of discussing laws in the Rada, they will quarrel.
    And if they can adopt laws that comply with the Minsk agreements, then it will be a different Ukraine, which can be trusted with the DPR and LPR.
    1. gorskova.ir Offline gorskova.ir
      gorskova.ir (Irina Gorskova) 16 February 2022 20: 23
      +1
      Or the DPR and LPR can be trusted to Ukraine. which is more appropriate.
  14. zenion Offline zenion
    zenion (zinovy) 16 February 2022 16: 41
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    If Kiev fulfills the Minsk agreements, then Russia will have to learn how to dance Hopak.
  15. gorskova.ir Offline gorskova.ir
    gorskova.ir (Irina Gorskova) 16 February 2022 20: 21
    -1
    And who said it? Only yesterday the decision of the State Duma was handed over to the president. And with kondachka this is not solved. And if Kiev fulfills (of which I am not at all sure. Since then it will have to recognize its fascist regime. The fact that they killed their own ...), then Russia will closely monitor that they are carried out.
  16. Avarron Offline Avarron
    Avarron (Sergei) 16 February 2022 23: 37
    0
    No wonder the anthem of the USSR sounded on the Maidan. All of Ukraine will join Russia, not in pieces. And if you recognize the LDNR, then you can forget about it.
    1. Dust Offline Dust
      Dust (Sergei) 17 February 2022 12: 38
      +1
      Storyteller! Anderson nervously stands aside biting his nails and jealous of you!
  17. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster Offline Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
    Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 17 February 2022 03: 29
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    Quote: gorskova.ir
    And with kondachka this is not solved. And if Kiev fulfills ... then Russia will closely monitor that they are fulfilled.

    Well, yes. The question is new, unfamiliar, and therefore you need to carefully understand. Valid from kondachka is not solved

    And we will be watching closely. It is important. Previously, we did not follow closely, but now we will follow very carefully. And we will even record in the journal our observations and cases when the contract was not fulfilled.
  18. Indifferent Offline Indifferent
    Indifferent 17 February 2022 03: 46
    +1
    That's the whole trouble, that the Ukrainian leadership does not understand that with the help of the Minsk agreements they would have strangled the republics long ago. The Russian leadership has already understood this, but they see that since the "tufts" have rested, then they can shout about the Minsk agreements without fear. The stubborn will not retreat from their own!
    1. ivan2022 Offline ivan2022
      ivan2022 (ivan2022) 17 February 2022 04: 42
      -1
      Quote: indifferent
      but they see that since the "tufts" have rested, then it is possible to shout about the Minsk agreements without fear

      Oh, how simple everything is for you ..... You should lead the country.
  19. ivan2022 Offline ivan2022
    ivan2022 (ivan2022) 17 February 2022 04: 40
    +1
    Moscow is seeking "implementation of Minsk" because, together with the Donbass and Lugansk, Ukraine will definitely not enter NATO. But Kiev did not start the ATO in 2014 for Donetsk and Luhansk to have the right to vote in Ukraine.
  20. Dust Offline Dust
    Dust (Sergei) 17 February 2022 12: 36
    0
    To be completely honest, Putin does not need any DPR and LPR there. And he does not care about the decision of the Duma. For him, the DPR and LPR are just a tool for solving the problem of Ukraine's accession to NATO. In order to join NATO, you must not have military conflicts on your territory. That's why in the Donbass there is no peace, no war. The West knows perfectly well where to beat Putin and in what places. The West has not hit yet, but it is constantly warning about the consequences for Putin's entourage. Putin has a choice - the oligarchs or the security of the country. But, something tells me, the money and property of the oligarchs is closer to him. Putin's latest decisions are really disappointing for many people in the country. Even the exercises that were supposed to be officially held until February 20 inclusive, suddenly come to an abrupt end on February 15 and the troops are withdrawn. All this is done in a hurry and publicly. To which the United States condescendingly unsubscribed in the press. But, simultaneously with the withdrawal of Russian troops, the Americans bring their units to Romania and Slovakia (the government of this country transferred two airports to the USA).
  21. skeptic Offline skeptic
    skeptic 17 February 2022 12: 45
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    Oh, not there, guys, look. When the aggressor plans to attack, he tries to move his troops to the front line as much as possible. Ukraine was that last "obstacle". Nobody will accept them in NATO. Like "White Noise", NATO uses Ukraine to concentrate its troops, pull up the entire infrastructure along the entire perimeter of the border with Russia. I am more than sure that this year, a coup turmoil in Moscow is planned, followed by chaos and a cry from someone "from the branches" - send NATO to "save democracy." I really want to believe that our generals will not become like Iraqi ones. The main thing is that new "Minins and Pozharskys" would appear, otherwise Russia will not be left with options to stay alive.
  22. Sapsan136 Online Sapsan136
    Sapsan136 (Alexander) 19 February 2022 20: 51
    -2
    And all that was necessary was to accept the Donbass as part of the Russian Federation, like Crimea ... This would solve all issues and save many lives, but ... Putin prefers to listen to those who work for the interests of Ukraine ...