Recognition of the Republics of Donbass: Moscow takes a step towards war or peace?


Speaking about the decision taken by the State Duma of Russia on February 15, it is tempting to use pretentious formulations worn to holes with frequent use, such as “The Rubicon has been crossed”, “the die has been cast”, “a fateful step” and the like. Right, you shouldn't do that. And not only due to the fact that pathos and overwhelming emotions do not at all contribute to a sober and balanced analysis of the situation. The point, first of all, is that, in fact, no one has yet crossed anything. And he didn't quit. The appeal of the State Duma to the president only creates a certain "window of opportunity", but does not give any guarantees to anyone. Only hope.


At the same time, it should be understood that the official recognition by Moscow of the Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics may not have the consequences that its initiators are counting on (with the best of intentions). First of all, because, in fact, it will mean the final rupture of the Minsk agreements. The very ones who, according to many world leaders (and, first of all, Vladimir Vladimirovich himself), are the only acceptable way to peacefully resolve the conflict in Donbass. So what will such a step actually lead to - to a big war or, on the contrary, to the establishment of a lasting peace? Let's try to figure this out.

Are we calling fire on ourselves?


It should be understood that the resolution voted today in the national parliament on appealing to the head of our state with a request to recognize the independence of the LDNR can in no way be classified as “personal creativity” of deputies. Firstly, demarches of this level are not carried out and supported by them without the consent of the Kremlin (and, moreover, practically unanimously). Secondly, United Russia also came up with a draft appeal, practically similar to the one submitted to the Duma by the "opposition" communists. But this is already one hundred percent proof that the issue is "ventilated" at the very "top". Much more interesting in this case is that in the end the State Duma, against all expectations, adopted the draft of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, and not of the "United Russia". The difference between them, as already mentioned, is small, but in the EP version, the Kremlin received somewhat more "space for maneuver" and, most importantly, the opportunity, like "experts", to take additional time to think. Indeed, in the version they proposed, the final verdict by the president should have been preceded by "consultations at the level of the Foreign Ministry, the Ministry of Defense and other responsible departments." Well, we all know perfectly well how much our "responsible" people can "consult" and "confer" with.

The Communists' project, which originally called for direct appeal to Putin, is simply a fast-track version of the same issue. And without good reason, the Duma could not accept it. Now, according to the current procedure for considering such appeals, the president has only 30 days to say yes or no. That is, to decide on a decision that in any case will have a huge impact on millions of human lives and destinies.

The reaction that followed the initiative of our parliamentarians, which nevertheless turned into a very real step, so to speak, from the opposite side of the “geopolitical barricades”, is more than predictable. We will talk about Ukraine a little later, but for now we will give a couple of examples of the statements of the speakers of the “collective West”. Jens Stoltenberg, who seemed to be sitting out his last days in the suddenly very uncomfortable chair of NATO Secretary General, was one of the first to speak. He believes that Russia's recognition of the Donbass republics will be "a gross violation of the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Ukraine" and "complicate the search for a political solution." In a word, NATO is categorically against and strongly condemns. So let's write it down.

Interestingly, at the time of this writing, there were no intelligible “signals” from Washington - obviously, they are taking air into their lungs for a particularly piercing scream. Unless the US embassy in Kiev quickly unsubscribed on Twitter, calling the Duma vote “an odious attempt to violate the Minsk agreements”, traditionally adding: “We are with Ukraine!” Who would have doubted. Matti Maasikas, representing the European Union in Ukraine, turned out to be somewhat more talkative. True, he blurted out something neither to the village nor to the city, writing all on the same Twitter that "the official recognition of the DPR and LPR will create additional territorial claims against Ukraine." What are you talking about, Mr. Ambassador? The chief of this figure, Josep Borel, who has recently been tirelessly improving the skills of Russophobia, burst out with another “strong condemnation”. And, of course, with promises of “undeniable support”, as well as demands to “observe Minsk”. For some reason, those were addressed to Moscow, and not to Kiev.

They were delighted in Kiev ... But they quickly realized that in vain


In principle, speaking about the reaction of our "sworn friends", we can stop there. Well, do not cite the “terrible statements” of the representatives of the Baltic dwarfs from the Foreign Ministry, who in unison called for a “decisive response” to our country in the form of another portion of “immediate sanctions”. Something suggests that by the time this article is published, an approximate package of new restrictive measures under the brand name “for recognition” will already be announced by the State Department, the British Foreign Office, or both together. As a matter of fact, this is exactly what the deputies of the Ukrainian parliament demand, who have already managed to quickly concoct resolution No. sanctions pressure” on our country. Solely to "prevent further escalation of the conflict."


The odious Rada deputy Alexei Goncharenko had a fit of hysterics after the State Duma appealed to Putin to recognize the LDNR

True, the Ukrainian deputies would not be themselves if, in the same resolution, they did not weigh out a fair amount of nonsense, calling the “so-called authorities of ORDLO” “representatives of the Russian occupation administrations controlled from Moscow”, and did not declare that “direct negotiations” with such an audience is "impossible" for Kiev. This is about the implementation of "Minsk". There is no point in retelling here the passages uttered after the vote in the Duma of the Foreign Ministry "nezalezhnaya" and the office of its president. All these are carefully orchestrated and scrupulously dosed manifestations of "indignation" and "indignation" that are not worth a damn. In fact, after the first real step was taken in Moscow to ensure that the Donbass turned into a finally “cut off chunk” for Ukraine, not despondency and panic reigned in Kiev, but jubilation and delight.

No wonder - after all, lately, which of the "Western partners" just did not take on a difficult and extremely thankless task, trying to somehow "set the brains" of a categorically unwilling to fulfill the absolute majority of the points listed in the "Minsk agreements". And Macron, and the same Scholz, and even Blinken himself, who had to spend his precious time on this. Nevertheless, it is quite obvious that the Ukrainian side is in no way able to implement these agreements in the form in which they were signed. And now - oh, happiness! - "Minsk noose" is finally dropped. Hands are untied, because no one will reproach any “Steinmeier formula” and other, from the point of view of Kiev, nonsense and heresy. In the "patriotic" publics and some of the similar kind of "nezalezhnaya" media, there was even a wave of triumph: "Now we are ...!" True, rather quickly among the “patriots” themselves, more sober voices began to sound, asking: “What, in fact, are we going to do now ?!” Well, let's defiantly tear up "Minsk", and then what? Let's go on the offensive against Donetsk and Luhansk, having instead of a 99% probability a XNUMX% guarantee of a meeting with the Russian army? Well, so-so option ... Not for the couch "patriots" there.

More or less sane people (by Ukrainian standards), with great sadness, begin to lean towards the idea that “everything will be like with Crimea.” That is, the matter will be limited to the creation of new “platforms for de-occupation”, the effectiveness of which is best described by the expression “chickens laughing”. Well, more whining from the stands of various international organizations. But the troops will have to be removed from the line of demarcation - out of harm's way. For to behave there as it is now for the Armed Forces of Ukraine will be fraught with very serious consequences. Well remembered to the same Saakashvili.

At first glance, by initiating the procedure for the official recognition of the DPR and LPR, Russia is “exposed to a blow” and literally “causes fire on itself.” Yes, in the West, and, above all, in the United States, such a decision taken at the presidential level will almost certainly be regarded as an "encroachment on territorial integrity and sovereignty." Yes, most likely, sanctions will follow. However, they will definitely be much less harsh than those that “arrive” if the Armed Forces of Ukraine nevertheless trample on the Donbass, arranging a provocation according to the scenario prepared by the same Americans. And then our troops will have to engage in open battle, stopping this pack on the outskirts of Donetsk and Luhansk, if not on their streets. At this point, the “collective West” is using the situation, to which, in fact, it has been summing up the events of recent times, “hanging” as many restrictions on us as possible as possible.

The recognition of the Donbass republics by Moscow, the provision of open and official military assistance to them, is perhaps the only way to prevent a truly large-scale military clash with rather unpleasant for our country economic and foreign policy implications. Not to mention the fact that this will reliably protect all the inhabitants of the region, who have been living under the constant threat of genocide, as Vladimir Vladimirovich himself said, for the eighth year already. In addition, our president is far from being as simple as someone would like. Something tells me that in the very near future he will announce a specific ultimatum to Kiev regarding the step-by-step implementation of Minsk. For sure, the timing of its expiration will coincide with the time when the head of our state decides to recognize the LDNR.

It is clear that in this situation the West will again be on the side of Ukraine. However, it will no longer be possible to fully blame our country for the collapse of the deadlocked “peace settlement” in the Normandy format. In the end, the main thing will happen - the bloody conflict that has been going on since 2014 will indeed be stopped. Moreover, by the will of Russia and on its terms.
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  1. Bakht Offline Bakht
    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 16 February 2022 10: 29
    +2
    It's just carte blanche for the president to make a decision.
    I remember in 2014 the Federation Council gave the go-ahead to the president to send troops to Ukraine. Moreover, this permission was given in response to the request of the president himself. Permission has been granted. Did the president use it?
    Now the State Duma has given the go-ahead to the president's decision. Will the president use it?

    http://duma.gov.ru/news/53431/

    The decision to recognize the republics of Donbass is proposed to be taken by the President of the Russian Federation.
    1. Dear sofa expert. 16 February 2022 11: 16
      +6
      I remember in 2014 the Federation Council gave the go-ahead to the president to send troops to Ukraine. Moreover, this permission was given in response to the request of the president himself. Permission has been granted. Did the president use it?
      Now the State Duma has given the go-ahead to the president's decision. Will the president use it?

      Looks like it won't be used again. recourse
      But this, and both, are just one of those cases when they say: It is better to do and regret than not to do - and also regret.
      1. Bakht Offline Bakht
        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 16 February 2022 11: 41
        0
        In 2018, when Minister Lavrov S.V. Kompravda correspondent asked a question about our inaction in the Donbass. Like, it's time for us to fit in, but to join the Donbass to Russia. The Minister of Foreign Affairs, answered clearly and clearly - "Do you want to recognize the LNR and the DNR? And then? Lose the rest of Ukraine, leave it to the Nazis?"
        1. Dear sofa expert. 16 February 2022 11: 50
          +4
          And since now, the rest of Ukraine is not lost?
          What does it mean that Donbass itself can be lost at the same time. After all, there, too, people live with hope, and although it is the last, it can also die.
          1. Bakht Offline Bakht
            Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 16 February 2022 12: 25
            +2
            Is politics the business of noble gentlemen or stern, unsentimental men?
            I'm tired of repeating. You propose to take Donetsk and Lugansk with 2-3 million Russian people "who live in hope." And leave 10-15 million in Kharkov, Odessa, Nikolaev, etc. according to the list. Which, apparently, "do not have hope."
            Yes, people in Donbas are tired of waiting. Question - what to expect? So that they become part of Russia. I sincerely feel sorry for anyone who died in this war. The Russian people in the Donbass are at war. They have earned the right to be called Russian more than any other. And they are at the front.
            In the end, it's your choice. The choice of the Russian people. I don't have to tell you. Save a couple of million Russians and leave in captivity 10-15 million, also Russian people. And lose the Russian territory of Novorossia.
            The State Duma in advance gave the president the right to make a decision. But he will accept it only in case of force majeure. The risk of war in Europe has not disappeared. The states still need a war. And the LDNR as part of Ukraine is still holding back this war. People are dying at the front. It's horrible. But the alternative is the surrender of people and territory.
            In 1939-41, many in Europe believed that it was not worth sacrificing people. And we decided to give up. Choose yourself.
            1. Dear sofa expert. 16 February 2022 13: 11
              +4
              Is politics the business of noble gentlemen or stern, unsentimental men?

              Speaking of "politics", you apparently meant - diplomacy?
              Yes, diplomacy is a means of implementing the foreign policy of states. Lavrov, no doubt, is doing an excellent job with the duties assigned to him as a diplomat. But it's not about him.

              You yourself asked a rhetorical question:

              I remember in 2014 the Federation Council gave the go-ahead to the president to send troops to Ukraine. Moreover, this permission was given in response to the request of the president himself. Permission has been granted. Did the president use it?

              Didn't use it.

              But there was an opportunity to “strangle” the Ukrainian Maidan in the bud, and put (at least formally, before the re-elections) in his workplace, although he had fled, but at that time, quite legitimate president (Yanukovych).

              Didn't.

              Result: war in Donbass, spilled blood in Odessa, provocation with MH17, Sanctions, strengthening of anti-Russian relations in Ukraine (and indeed).

              Please post your own assessment of this!

              By the way, the timely recognition of Donbass could “inspire” the inhabitants of other regions of Ukraine, but looking at all this, I don’t know what to call it so as not to swear… This is how the rest of Ukraine is lost. But this is of course my personal opinion, based on the information that I have.

              PS As for "politics", then politics itself, a priori, has only three goals:
              - get power
              - hold power
              - exercise power

              So decide for yourself: is this the business of noble gentlemen or harsh, not sentimental men?
              1. Bakht Offline Bakht
                Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 16 February 2022 13: 38
                +1
                It was impossible to leave Yanukovych. This meant the complete loss of Ukraine and Crimea as well.
                I agree that at one time it was necessary to act more decisively. But we don't have the whole picture. No information.
                All I know is that it's not a good idea to move the confrontation into a hot phase. In the same way, it is not profitable for Russia (and Russians in Ukraine) to annex only Donbass.
                1. Dear sofa expert. 16 February 2022 13: 48
                  +3
                  Yanukovych could not be left behind.

                  No, but I wrote:

                  ..at least formally, before the re-election ..

                  Call re-elections and promote your own - pro-Russian. What is the dissonance?

                  and Crimea, including

                  There was a time to do it "after the Crimea."

                  I agree that at one time it was necessary to act more decisively. But we don't have the whole picture. No information.

                  More decisively, definitely.
                  According to the information, yes, too, but I already said - I have my opinion based on the information I personally have. Otherwise, how?

                  All I know is that it's not a good idea to move the confrontation into a hot phase. In the same way, it is not profitable for Russia (and Russians in Ukraine) to annex only Donbass.

                  Who's talking about joining? Recognize, this is not yet attached.

                  Recognition in itself does not at all mean a transition to a hot phase. Rather, on the contrary, it will make the enemy think before doing rash things.
                  But inaction, sooner or later, will lead to shooting. There are enough provocateurs.
                  1. Bakht Offline Bakht
                    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 16 February 2022 14: 00
                    +1
                    According to Yanukovych.
                    He signed an agreement with the Maidan. The ambassadors of some European countries acted as guarantors. Suppose that the Bandera people would leave him at his post.
                    The agreement included re-elections in the fall of 2014. With a probability of 99,9%, Yanukovych would have lost them.

                    Call re-elections and promote your own - pro-Russian. What is the dissonance?

                    The dissonance is that Yanukovych is no longer president, and "his pro-Russian" did not exist at that time. And Maidan would not have allowed any other candidate to be nominated. The candidate who would have been promoted on the Maidan would have passed.
                    Result? Conditional President Poroshenko (if not Turchinov), Crimea as part of Ukraine and no speech in the Donbass.

                    By confession. Recognition of the LDNR means either recognition of them in a truncated form or a war for the return to administrative borders. Do you really think that after joining them to Russia, the Armed Forces of Ukraine will withdraw troops? So the recognition of the LDNR means definitely a war. Russia's withdrawal from the Minsk agreements, a full package of sanctions and .... I do not see a single positive factor for Russia. Except perhaps the fulfillment of the "hope" of 2-3 million residents of Donbass. And the complete failure of Russia in the western direction.
                    1. Dear sofa expert. 16 February 2022 14: 30
                      +1
                      The agreement included re-elections in the fall of 2014. With a probability of 99,9%, Yanukovych would have lost them.

                      Naturally, I would have lost..but I would have lost exactly to the one whom Putin would appoint. After all, with the return of the "Yanuka" to the post, Russia would at the same time restore order in the country itself by "tearing off the heads" of the instigators of the coup. The Rada would also be pro-Russian.

                      By confession. Recognition of the LDNR means either recognition of them in a truncated form or a war for the return to administrative borders.

                      Naturally - the ultimate goal, ideally, recognition within administrative boundaries. But for starters, you can simply admit it - in principle, giving the right to the LDNR themselves to take further actions: to demand their lands from Ukraine legally, or whatever. The task of Russia in this case is to provide, already at the official level, all kinds of support. Until the conclusion of a military alliance.

                      Do you really think that after joining them to Russia, the Armed Forces of Ukraine will withdraw troops? So the recognition of the LDNR means definitely a war.

                      I don't think it's that clear.
                      Then Ukraine would actually have to fight with Russia. But for Russia, there would already be legal grounds for this that do not contradict the criteria of the West.

                      Russia's withdrawal from the Minsk agreements,

                      Oh what are you on about?
                      Ukraine has already left them (without entering), the West generally requires their revision, and Russia initially participates in these agreements only formally.

                      full sanctions package

                      And so, apparently, not complete?)
                      Well, they will find a reason, if there is a desire.

                      I don't see a single positive factor for Russia. Except perhaps the fulfillment of the "hope" of 2-3 million residents of Donbass.

                      Well, yes .. 2-3 million there, 2-3 million here .. Somehow I didn’t even expect to hear this from you.

                      Then what did you fight for in Karabakh, Bakhtiyar, dare I ask?

                      And the complete failure of Russia in the western direction.

                      I immediately remembered the famous: I thought that I had sunk to the bottom, when suddenly there was a knock from below.)
                      1. Bakht Offline Bakht
                        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 16 February 2022 15: 19
                        -1
                        About 2-3 million. I just want to return at least 20 million.
                        In Karabakh, they fought not for people, but for land. I have always been against comparing Karabakh and Donbass. These are completely different conflicts. And they cannot be solved in the same way.
                      2. Dear sofa expert. 16 February 2022 15: 33
                        +1
                        About 2-3 million. I just want to return at least 20 million.

                        Once again - to recognize independence is not yet "return". What are you talking about?

                        In Karabakh, they fought not for people, but for land. I have always been against comparing Karabakh and Donbass.

                        Well, why not compare?
                        It is Russia that stands for the people, but for Ukraine it is only a matter of territory. Apparently, they don't care about the people there, just like you do in Karabakh.
                      3. Bakht Offline Bakht
                        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 16 February 2022 16: 47
                        +1
                        The question in the Duma was raised about recognition, right. But I constantly read about their inclusion in Russia. But on the issue of recognition, I stand on the same position. For some reason, Kiev understands the unacceptability of the Minsk agreements. Why in Russia they want to get rid of them - I do not understand.

                        The Karabakh conflict arose from the desire to seize territory. Ukraine began to pursue a policy of discrimination based on ethnicity. These conflicts have different root causes. I rubbed a corn on my tongue, trying to convince the Armenians of a peaceful solution. Now I am trying to convince the Russians that a military solution to the problem is possible, but not desirable.
                      4. Dear sofa expert. 16 February 2022 16: 59
                        +1
                        The question in the Duma was raised about recognition, right. But I constantly read about their inclusion in Russia.

                        Well the article we're discussing now is about possible recognition.
                        The rest is just speculation for now.

                        For some reason, Kiev understands the unacceptability of the Minsk agreements. Why in Russia they want to get rid of them - I do not understand.

                        I don't understand the opposite anymore. The implementation of the Minsk agreements will mean a real loss of Russian control over the common border with the LDNR.
                        But what the Ukrainians are afraid of, with their “talent” to violate any agreements, is really incomprehensible to me.
                      5. isofat Offline isofat
                        isofat (isofat) 16 February 2022 17: 10
                        0
                        It is easy to understand that the implementation of the agreements for today's rulers of Ukraine means a guaranteed defeat in the elections, for these very "rulers". laughing
                      6. Dear sofa expert. 16 February 2022 18: 11
                        +1
                        It is easy to understand that the implementation of the agreements for today's rulers of Ukraine means a guaranteed defeat in the elections, for these very "rulers".

                        As soon as the Ukropitekas gain control over the border, all previous “achievements” under the agreement will be instantly crossed out by them, the Donbas militia will be disarmed and mass repressions will begin, and the West, as always, will tactfully notice nothing.
                        What then?
                      7. isofat Offline isofat
                        isofat (isofat) 16 February 2022 19: 07
                        -1
                        Today there is no Ukraine. There are people, there is territory, but there is no Ukraine, it lives in our memory.
                        There is a development of its territories. Against the backdrop of the threat of a global crisis and world war.

                        It is possible that the requirement to comply with the Minsk agreements is being used today for other purposes.
  • steelmaker Offline steelmaker
    steelmaker 16 February 2022 12: 08
    0
    2018 was not recognized, so what? Ukraine now does not belong to the Nazis? And Ukraine is not lost? And what has Lavrov done since 2018 to change something? Nothing! How many innocent people died! And now the same questions have to be solved. If they want to be white and fluffy, there is nothing to do in politics!
    1. MilaSH Offline MilaSH
      MilaSH (Mila Smely) 16 February 2022 12: 41
      -1
      You are right, there is no will, go away!
  • MilaSH Offline MilaSH
    MilaSH (Mila Smely) 16 February 2022 12: 44
    -2
    you are absolutely right, but nothing will change
  • Bulanov Online Bulanov
    Bulanov (Vladimir) 16 February 2022 10: 32
    +4
    In a word, NATO is categorically against and strongly condemns. So let's write it down.

    After the recognition of Kosovo, it is better for NATO to smoke on the sidelines.
    And here, perhaps, the decisions of the referendum on the preservation of the USSR, March 1991, when the majority of residents, including Ukraine, voted for the preservation of the USSR, are being implemented. Now that officially Russia is the heir to the USSR, the peoples who once inhabited the USSR are once again striving for a renewed USSR under the guise of Russia. This is clear to everyone! The Phoenix bird always attracts people to itself.
  • Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
    Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 16 February 2022 11: 53
    +1
    Thanks to the author. I agree with the analysis and the model for resolving the issue. The withdrawal of troops from the exercises indirectly confirms it.
    We just can't leave "for later" the second burning problem - security guarantees.
    If Ukraine is a tactic, then the States and guarantees are a strategy.
    It is impossible for the current convenient tactical decisions to push aside difficult, but necessary strategic ones.
    1. Bakht Offline Bakht
      Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 16 February 2022 12: 27
      +2
      All true.
      Guaranteeing security is Russia's strategic goal. Ukraine is no longer a subject. This is an object of international politics. A trading pawn in which people and territory are important. And if the West does not need people (they are Slavs) and Russia needs them, then there will be a fight for the territory.
      1. MilaSH Offline MilaSH
        MilaSH (Mila Smely) 16 February 2022 12: 41
        -5
        Who will fight, except for Donbas itself?
        1. Bakht Offline Bakht
          Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 16 February 2022 12: 48
          +2
          Do you think that Russia is now on the sidelines? Or was she away then?
    2. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 16 February 2022 13: 25
      -7
      Not for Senka hat.
  • Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
    Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 16 February 2022 12: 22
    +1
    If for coercion to Minsk in the way described in the article, the withdrawal of our troops and a temporary "detente" are useful, then in order to "squeeze" the States on guarantees, to "break" their line, it is necessary, on the contrary, to increase pressure on the States by raising the stakes .
    The solution of this contradiction in favor of coercion to Minsk will lead to a loss of momentum and a failure in the main direction
    1. MilaSH Offline MilaSH
      MilaSH (Mila Smely) 16 February 2022 12: 39
      -4
      The failure is already evident.
      1. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
        Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 16 February 2022 12: 52
        +3
        Not a fact, Until the Olympiad is over - all the more
  • Muscool Offline Muscool
    Muscool (Glory) 16 February 2022 12: 30
    -10
    Why was it necessary to arrange Donbass at all. Crimea has crossed and that's enough
  • MilaSH Offline MilaSH
    MilaSH (Mila Smely) 16 February 2022 12: 38
    -1
    Moscow does not take any steps! And he won't! Talking shop!
    1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 16 February 2022 13: 24
      -6
      Lavrov's springboard for maneuver is so-so. Not significant. Weak diplomats were sent to work in Ukraine for a long time. The Russian economy does not allow the implementation of state armaments programs, and to contain adequate territories and ambitions of the leadership of the Armed Forces.
  • Jacques sekavar Offline Jacques sekavar
    Jacques sekavar (Jacques Sekavar) 16 February 2022 13: 46
    0
    As I understand it, the Duma is the highest legislative body of the Russian Federation and its decisions are binding on all state authorities.
    They wrote an appeal to the President, but the President is the highest official of the Executive Power and, by virtue of his position, is obliged to execute the decisions of the Supreme Legislative Power, i.e. thoughts.
    If so, the appeal of the Duma members loses all meaning.
    They gathered a council of the flock, decided to recognize the independence of the DPR-LPR, legalized this decision and sent it to the President for execution. Does not comply - the issue of loss of confidence, removal from office, early elections.
    If the head of the executive branch refuses to comply with the decisions of the legislative or judicial authorities, then this is not a republican form of government and government, but a monarchical or dictatorial one, and the basic law is a silly letter.
    1. Dear sofa expert. 16 February 2022 14: 00
      +2
      As I understand it, the Duma is the highest legislative body of the Russian Federation

      Yes, but “sololy”, and along with the Federation Council.
  • Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 16 February 2022 13: 51
    +1
    Something tells me that in the very near future he will announce a specific ultimatum to Kiev regarding the step-by-step implementation of Minsk. Surely, the timing of its expiration will coincide with the time the head of our state decides to recognize the LDNR.

    What is the point of this ultimatum? Another delay? Who needs it except Ukraine?
    They have not yet dealt with one ultimatum and roll out the next one, just as meaningless.
    You can chat for a long time.

    The proposal about a specific ultimatum sounds especially funny. Was it abstract before?

    It's time to accept the simple thing. Kiev will not comply with the Minsk agreements. And there will be no official refusal. There is one way to untie this knot - as Alexander the Great did.
    If it’s pissed off, then we must honestly tell people - hand over your passports to Russia, we will not protect you - this is not profitable for us.
  • Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 16 February 2022 14: 00
    +1
    At first glance, by initiating the procedure for the official recognition of the DPR and LPR, Russia is “exposing itself to a blow” and literally “causing fire on itself.” Yes, in the West, and, above all, in the United States, such a decision taken at the presidential level will almost certainly be regarded as an "encroachment on territorial integrity and sovereignty." Yes, most likely, sanctions will follow. However, they will definitely be much less harsh than those that “arrive” if the Armed Forces of Ukraine nevertheless trample on the Donbass, arranging a provocation according to the scenario prepared by the same Americans.

    Recognition cancels the trip to the Donbass? Why would? The hopes of young men are nourished (c). Provocation is easy to do. It is even easier to accuse Russia of all sins. It is very stupid to predict sanctions in logical dependence on the actions/inaction of Russia.
  • Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 16 February 2022 14: 01
    +1
    The recognition of the Donbass republics by Moscow and the provision of open and official military assistance to them may be the only way to prevent a truly large-scale military clash with rather unpleasant economic and foreign policy consequences for our country.

    What about the rest of the republics? Is it left for Kiev?
  • Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 16 February 2022 14: 06
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    However, it will no longer be possible to fully blame our country for the collapse of the deadlocked “peace settlement” in the Normandy format.

    Yes Yes. This is a huge achievement.

    Moreover, by the will of Russia and on its terms.

    Definitely a win. This is exactly what we wanted. Only eight years have passed, and we have already won.
  • Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 16 February 2022 14: 10
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    Quote: Bakht
    I'm tired of repeating. You propose to take Donetsk and Lugansk with 2-3 million Russian people "who live in hope." And leave 10-15 million in Kharkov, Odessa, Nikolaev, etc. according to the list. Which, apparently, "do not have hope."

    I still don't understand what you are suggesting?
  • Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 16 February 2022 14: 13
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    Quote: Bakht
    Ukraine is no longer a subject. This is an object of international politics. A trading pawn in which people and territory are important. And if the West does not need people (they are Slavs) and Russia needs them, then there will be a fight for the territory.

    Once again. What do you propose to do?
    1. isofat Offline isofat
      isofat (isofat) 16 February 2022 15: 00
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      EAP, what else do you need?
      The territories of the former Ukraine are being developed.

      - Russia agreed with the results of the referendum on Crimea.
      - The united community of Jews, together with Kolomoisky, revives
      Jewish way of life.
      - The United States needs to somehow legalize what has been acquired by overwork.

      PS The US wants to include Ukraine in NATO, binding NATO with obligations to protect its present and future "achievements" in Ukraine.
      1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 16 February 2022 15: 37
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        I am interested, not in the description of the situation, especially, which are completely unverifiable, but in your opinion, what needs to be done in the interests of Russia in this situation.

        binding NATO to defend its present and future "achievements" in Ukraine. - Do not offer.
        1. isofat Offline isofat
          isofat (isofat) 16 February 2022 16: 16
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          Quote: Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
          ... what should be done in the interests of Russia in this situation.

          Don't interfere. laughing
  • Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 16 February 2022 14: 16
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    Quote: Alexey Davydov
    then, in order to "squeeze" the States on guarantees, to "break" their line, it is necessary, on the contrary, to build up pressure on the States by raising rates.

    What do you propose to do?
    I understand "raising the stakes", "laying the cards", etc.
    And specifically, what needs to be done?
    1. isofat Offline isofat
      isofat (isofat) 16 February 2022 15: 30
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      Quote: Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
      And specifically, what needs to be done?

      We need to help V. Putin, our president. smile
      1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 16 February 2022 15: 33
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        Is this what you call it specifically?

        In general, I meant what is proposed to be done not by a specific person, but by the Russian Federation, as a state in this situation. That is, mentally steer for the Russian government.
        1. isofat Offline isofat
          isofat (isofat) 16 February 2022 16: 13
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          Quote: Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
          ... not to a specific person, but to the Russian Federation, as a state in this situation.

          Either specifically, or not specifically, I'm sorry ... laughing
  • Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 16 February 2022 15: 31
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    Quote: Bakht
    And if the West does not need people (these are Slavs)

    The West needs people.
    First, as buyers.
    Secondly, experts. Communicated in Valencia in 2015 with a family of immigrants from Kharkov. Husband, wife and two children. Outwardly - Slavs. The man is a technical specialist, I don’t remember who exactly. Because of him, they took the whole family.
    1. isofat Offline isofat
      isofat (isofat) 16 February 2022 15: 43
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      EAP, do not distort, it was about people on the territory of Ukraine. And then, it's just is expectedthat the Slavs will not be needed there.
      And you give an example that the West needs people in their territories. smile

      PS They will take it and take it out, it has already happened. laughing
      1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 16 February 2022 15: 52
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        What am I exaggerating? Kharkov on the territory of the former Ukraine. Residents of this territory buy goods produced in the West. What's wrong?
        1. isofat Offline isofat
          isofat (isofat) 16 February 2022 16: 21
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          Quote: Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
          What's wrong?

          Try to think and figure it out on your own, otherwise you become an uninteresting interlocutor. smile
  • Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 16 February 2022 15: 56
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    Quote: Jacques Sekavar
    They wrote an appeal to the President, but the President is the highest official of the Executive Power and, by virtue of his position, is obliged to execute the decisions of the Supreme Legislative Power, i.e. thoughts.

    I heard somewhere that we have a presidential republic. And it is hardly necessary to understand that the Duma wrote an appeal to the president and he immediately ran to fulfill it. Something in your logic is wrong.
  • Dust Offline Dust
    Dust (Sergei) 16 February 2022 17: 00
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    Putin just sent the Duma, LNR, DNR on an erotic journey!
  • zloybond Offline zloybond
    zloybond (steppenwolf) 16 February 2022 20: 41
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    There are many words for and against - but so far - Moscow has simply once again prodynamized the people. Even people who were ready to participate in the defense of the republics from the outside are already confused and feel another deception of hopes!
    1. Moray Boreas Offline Moray Boreas
      Moray Boreas (Morey Borey) 17 February 2022 11: 02
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      Yes, just a shame.
  • Netyn Offline Netyn
    Netyn (Netyn) 17 February 2022 00: 55
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    Quote: Dear sofa expert.
    By the way, the timely recognition of Donbass could “inspire” residents of other regions of Ukraine as well.

    Unfortunately it won't work
    These residents remember how they were thrown and leaked in 14. There will definitely be no cover
  • Alsur Offline Alsur
    Alsur (Alexey) 17 February 2022 09: 14
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    Quote: Dear couch expert.
    But there was an opportunity to “strangle” the Ukrainian Maidan in the bud, and put (at least formally, before the re-elections) in his workplace, although he had fled, but at that time, quite legitimate president (Yanukovych).

    Didn't.

    Result: war in Donbass, shed blood in Odessa, provocation with MH17, Sanctions, increased anti-Russian relations in Ukraine (and indeed

    Well, you may be right, but you can say what would happen if Russia sent troops to the LDNR, how many civilian aircraft would be shot down, how many provocations with explosions of civilians would occur, there would be incidents similar to Chernobyl, there would be provocations with chemical ., biological weapons, no matter what processes it launched, didn’t it happen like after entering World War I?
  • Moray Boreas Offline Moray Boreas
    Moray Boreas (Morey Borey) 17 February 2022 11: 01
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    Remember: non-recognition of the LDNR, Russian-speaking, really native republics is a step of the Russian Federation into the abyss. This, unfortunately, will be followed by the degradation of the positions of the Russian Federation. Please change your mind! It's not too late yet.