Will Donbass be recognized? Why yes rather than no

February 14 2022 14

In recent days, both in social networks and on expert platforms, heated debates have erupted over the likelihood of Moscow recognizing the independence of the Donbass republics. I would like to contribute to this action.

As is already known, on February 14, the State Duma Council decided to consider the issue of recognizing the DPR and LPR. Earlier in January, the Communist Party of the Russian Federation submitted a corresponding draft to the Russian parliament. Today, deputies from the ruling United Russia party have submitted to the State Duma their draft appeal to President Vladimir Putin on the need to recognize the self-proclaimed entities in Ukraine. That is, the two largest political Russian forces support such a decision. Consequently, the overwhelming majority of State Duma deputies will vote in favor on February 15.

What do we have. The Russian Parliament addresses the President on the need to recognize the independence of the LDNR. What are Putin's actions? Can you imagine that the President will refuse? How will Donetsk and Luhansk react to such a decision? Will the refusal be perceived as a betrayal of the Russian population? These are questions that you can answer yourself. It seems to me that the answer is NO. Moreover, in most cases such high-profile initiatives of the State Duma are prepared in close cooperation with the Kremlin. In other words, without the knowledge of the Presidential Administration, such projects would not have been launched.

Nevertheless, I note that part of the audience rightly points out that recognition of the republics of Donbass cannot be due to the existing Minsk agreements, enshrined in a UN Security Council resolution, that is, Russia as well. The first paragraph of these agreements speaks of Ukraine as a single and indivisible state. Consequently, the recognition of the LDNR will mean that Moscow deliberately violates the Security Council resolution. Will the Kremlin take such a step, violating international law? After all, it is international law that is often the most powerful argument of Vladimir Putin - the Russian president regularly refers to it.

On the other hand, Moscow can legitimately accuse Kyiv of non-implementation of the Minsk agreements, because the past seven years have been more than enough for this. The UN Security Council resolution obliges the Ukrainian side to implement its part of the agreements, and the member countries of the Security Council, in turn, are obliged to do everything to force Kyiv to do this. Nevertheless, Western states (first of all, the USA, France and Great Britain) did not lift a finger to force the Kyiv regime to execute Minsk. What is this if not sabotage? In Ukraine, the president has already changed, and the parliament with the cabinet of ministers, and things are still there. Moreover, Kyiv officially declares that it cannot comply with the agreements, since such a step will inevitably lead to the destruction of the state.

As for the recognition and subsequent annexation of Donbass, everything is somewhat different here. It must be understood that Moscow's consent to the indispensability of the LDNR will inevitably lead to new sanctions from the West. However, not to those with which we have been frightened in recent months. However, as has been repeatedly noted, sanctions are a matter of time, they will be applied in any scenario, but it is much more “profitable” to receive them for something, and not just like that. The inclusion of Donbass in Russia is fraught with the introduction of precisely those “sore” restrictions (disconnection from SWIFT, complete freezing of Nord Stream-2, and in general the beginning of a real “cold war” with the West) that threaten Moscow. No matter what anyone says, such sanctions will really hit our country as a whole and each of us in particular. The dollar exchange rate for 100, double-digit inflation will have an extremely negative impact on the real incomes of Russians. Therefore, the recognition of the independence of the DPR and LPR does not at all mean their automatic accession to the Russian Federation.

In general, the situation is really difficult. However, the military situation around Ukraine, to the borders of which truly grandiose army forces are pulled together, as well as the discussion of the project for the recognition of the republics of Donbass in the State Duma, nevertheless tip the scales in favor of the step that the inhabitants of the LDNR have been waiting for for the eighth year already. Wait, by the way, there is very little time left.

Ruslan Kristallovich

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Pandiurin

-2

14 February 2022 18: 58

Rather no, not now.

First Deputy Chairman of the State Duma Committee on CIS Affairs, Eurasian Integration and Relations with Compatriots Viktor Vodolatsky and his colleague Artem Turov submitted to the State Duma draft resolution on consultations with the Russian Foreign Ministry regarding the recognition of the Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics.

The Communist Party's initiative was, to put it mildly, populist, contrary to the Minsk agreements. Before vyezhivatsya with such initiatives, they first needed to consult with our Foreign Ministry and the Federation Council (Security Council).
This was not done before being submitted to the State Duma, which is rather stupid. Will be done now, better late than never. The Ministry of Foreign Affairs will explain why this is not timely, as a result, they will postpone it for later or reject it.
1. ivan2022
  
  +8
  
  14 February 2022 19: 35
  
  Quote: Pandiurin
  The Communist Party's initiative was, to put it mildly, populist, contrary to the Minsk agreements. Before succumbing to such initiatives and
  
  Before you cower, admit that the initiative was supported by all parliamentary parties. It makes no sense to cower before the West, demonstrating to it your slavish loyalty. You should think about the fact that the weak are always beaten with a forged boot in the snout, no matter how loyal they try to be. The policy of sanctions in any case is not cancelled. The first case when Uncle Zyu was listened to.It's a pity; vyezhivatsya 30 years and only now realized that this is the path to the abyss.
  1. Pandiurin
    
    -4
    
    14 February 2022 20: 22
    
    Quote: ivan2022
    Quote: Pandiurin
    The Communist Party's initiative was, to put it mildly, populist, contrary to the Minsk agreements. Before succumbing to such initiatives and
    
    Before you cower, admit that the initiative was supported by all parliamentary parties. It makes no sense to cower before the West, demonstrating to it your slavish loyalty. You should think about the fact that the weak are always beaten with a forged boot in the snout, no matter how loyal they try to be. The policy of sanctions in any case is not cancelled. The first case when Uncle Zyu was listened to.It's a pity; vyezhivatsya 30 years and only now realized that this is the path to the abyss.
    
    1. Regarding the fact that "the initiative of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation was supported by all parliamentary parties," you probably lied, you have not yet voted, and there is no support for ALL parliamentary parties either.
    
    2. Where were the Communist Party before? Why are they out now?
    Since the end of 2021, Russia has been trying to resolve the issue of security in Eastern Europe as a whole. This process will be complex and not finished yet. The US is trying to reduce this topic to a very narrow private issue, to Ukraine. Or what else would suit them more to the LDNR.
    It would be just great for the United States, Russia "takes" the LDNR, the West declares Russia an aggressor against Ukraine, the EU is stalled in Euro-Atlantic solidarity, a single sanctions policy against Belarus and Russia.
    
    Yes, the LDNR has been a sore point since 2014, and the events in Ukraine have been sad since the late 90s, as well as throughout the USSR.
    But right now, this is very untimely and plays into the hands of the West, right now.
    
    I really have a question why the Communist Party of the Russian Federation came out with this right now, but under the flag of patriotism, but in fact the flag is false.
  2. Akuzenka
    
    -1
    
    15 February 2022 12: 54
    
    It's a pity; vyezhivatsya 30 years and only now realized that this is the path to the abyss.
    
    Reject confession. And it doesn’t matter what they refer to in the end, it’s all about the dough that “our” parliamentarians keep in the west. They will lose it if they recognize the LDNR. This is the most powerful argument. And yes, a populist move, like blowing bubbles into a puddle.
Bakht

+1

14 February 2022 19: 56

More likely no than yes.
Dear sofa expert.

+2

14 February 2022 21: 13

Therefore, the recognition of the independence of the DPR and LPR does not at all mean their automatic accession to the Russian Federation.

Of course not.
The LDNR, recognized by Russia, will first have to take control of all the regional territories “squeezed” from them.

..the military situation around Ukraine, to the borders of which truly grandiose army forces are pulled together ..

But the Russian army is there just in order to give the LDNR (if possible) remote (without the direct entry of Russian troops) support in case of complications, well, no matter what “outside” there, no one would have stupid thoughts of interfering in this conflict.
steelmaker

-9

14 February 2022 21: 16

And when did our State Duma defend the interests of the country and the people? For instance? So no rather than yes. But I want to believe in miracles.
Teacher

+4

14 February 2022 21: 21

The bastards are fried. Minsk agreements, international law, etc. Answers for the weak. If US citizens were dying every day from shelling by some nit-like Nazis in the form of today's APU and terbats - tell me, how many hours would these Nazis exist on this side of the earth?
The sanctions will be simply for the fact that Russia exists. Everything acquired by "backbreaking work" of the State Duma deputies and others will be confiscated in favor of Western banks, special services, etc.
Not to be believed, of course. But just like today you deny the right to live to people on the land where they were born (citizens of the Russian Federation in the DNR, LNR), so you will be denied to live on the land where you sell the stolen goods. The money will be taken no doubt.
1. Muscool
  
  -7
  
  15 February 2022 08: 20
  
  This is what hit you. And there are many of them in my country.
2. Akuzenka
  
  -1
  
  15 February 2022 12: 55
  
  The money will be taken no doubt.
  
  Therefore, there will be no recognition of the LDNR. You're right.
Muscool

-6

15 February 2022 08: 19

It is possible not to recognize them, and even more so to attach them.
Bulanov

+1

15 February 2022 09: 11

For the Russian Federation, the best way out is to give Ukraine a deadline, for example, until Easter, in order to fulfill the Minsk agreements. If they are not fulfilled, then the recognition of the LDNR. With kondachka such questions are not solved.
1. ser-pov
  
  0
  
  15 February 2022 11: 59
  
  Quote: Bulanov
  For the Russian Federation, the best way out is to give Ukraine a deadline, for example, until Easter, in order to fulfill the Minsk agreements. If they are not fulfilled, then the recognition of the LDNR. With kondachka such questions are not solved.
  
  Since 2015 they have been given .. There are no people who make decisions, only puppets .. Do you propose to wait until these freaks start hitting MLRS in the LDNR?
Siegfried

+3

15 February 2022 14: 05

Russia signaled a de-escalation with the news of a troop withdrawal. In fact, Russia has already achieved a lot. The Europeans saw the true intentions of the US towards them. These intentions are so clear and obvious that US-Europe relations are no longer the same as they were a year ago. This is not yet a split, but a serious crack.
The question of NATO at the gate can be said to be resolved. Russia loudly outlined the limits of patience. NATO does not shine for Ukraine. Here Scholz is right, there is no need to rush.
Recognize Donbass now so as not to lose face? That is unnecessary. Russia can ensure the security of Donbass without recognition. Even more, Russia can treat Donbass as if it were part of Russia. In all aspects. Annexation without recognition, at least for now. You can recognize in a year, for example.
At the same time, to further establish a rapprochement of positions with Europe. To exacerbate these relations now with recognition?
The most important thing that happened is that Russia managed to prevent the implementation of the US plan to unleash a cold war with Russia. The US is suffering a colossal loss of confidence from the obviously fake hysteria. And most of all, it comes back to haunt them at home, in the USA itself ...