Putin held meetings with Lavrov and Shoigu. The main thing

February 14 2022 35

On Monday, February 14, Vladimir Putin held meetings with the heads of the military and diplomatic departments, at which he discussed with the ministers the main security issues and the main international challenges currently facing Russia.

In particular, Putin's meeting with Lavrov discussed NATO's eastward expansion and the responses from Washington and Brussels to Russian security concerns. According to Sergei Lavrov, the US response to Russian proposals in this area consisted of two parts.

The first part was the reaction to Russia's concern about the admission of the former Soviet republics to NATO, to which a negative response was received, the meaning of which is the priority of countries to join various kinds of military alliances. However, as Lavrov noted, this right is not unconditional and is limited by obligations not to strengthen one's security at the expense of the security of other countries.

The Minister also mentioned the actual evasion of Western countries from answering questions from the Russian Federation regarding Ukraine's entry into NATO. Only messages were received from Stoltenberg and Borrell, in which the Secretary General of the Western bloc and the head of European diplomacy advised to take measures to de-escalate the situation near the Russian-Ukrainian border.

We will continue to seek a reaction from each country, since all international documents on security were signed in a national capacity, and one must be held accountable for one's obligations

Lavrov noted.

The second part of the Western reaction is more constructive and concerns the deployment of weapons in Europe, reducing risks and increasing transparency. Moreover, many US responses in this direction reflect the earlier proposals of the Russian side over the past few years.

Now these proposals were followed by a rather concrete reaction and readiness to enter into negotiations. Moscow's European Security Initiative Has Shaken Our Western Colleagues

- emphasized the minister.

The head of the Foreign Ministry also pointed out the inadmissibility of "talking about" security problems and expressed the opinion that Russia's possibilities in establishing a productive dialogue with the West are far from being exhausted.

The head of the Russian Defense Ministry, in turn, reported to the President on the progress of ongoing exercises with the participation of troops from almost all military districts, as well as on the maneuvers of the Navy in different parts of the oceans. During the exercises, various options for the actions of a potential enemy are worked out and adequate responses to them are given.

Sergei Shoigu also spoke about the discovery of an American submarine near the Kuril Islands, which entered Russian territorial waters for about 4 km.

As a result of almost three hours of actions, the US boat was expelled from the territory of Russia

the minister of war reported.

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Jacques sekavar

-2

14 February 2022 20: 36

The assumption expressed by Yakov Kedmi that if the US refuses to comply with the ultimatum, the Russian Federation may launch a preventive strike on NATO bases in Europe is not without foundation.
This option does not provide for the need for any invasion of Ukraine or anywhere else, the Baltic states for example.
At a meeting between V.V. Putin, the head of the Foreign Ministry and the Minister of War, apparently discussed this issue and agreed with the proposal to continue negotiations based on the logic of S.V. Lavrov that 10 years of negotiations is better than 1 year of war.
The question of how long these negotiations will continue, despite the obvious futility of returning NATO to the 1997 borders, is the key point of the ultimatum.
Will the Russian Federation make a compromise if the United States gives legally binding guarantees not to deploy strike assets in the territories joined to NATO after 1997, as well as NATO partner states with “enhanced capabilities” - Ukraine, Georgia, Finland, Sweden, Jordan, and what concessions will it make in response .
1. Alexey Davydov
  
  +2
  
  14 February 2022 21: 03
  
  How Putin decides to act is unknown, but everything shows that NATO will not retreat with the current peace and confidence of its Master, except, perhaps, formally - for appearances. The noose on our neck is tightened even more, and this is the only result so far.
  In order to reverse everything, it is necessary to BREAK the Americans.
  In my opinion, this can be done only by the threat of the use of nuclear weapons against them, and the threat is real and inevitable. A strike on bases in Europe will drag us into a European war that does not affect the territory of the States, which is what they want.
  If we extrapolate the existing process, Russia will be strangled by the West in the near future. Despite its nuclear weapons, it will simply be deprived of the possibility of a normal life and a geopolitical future.
  1. gunnerminer
    
    -8
    
    14 February 2022 22: 10
    
    They woke up late. We recently carried out a landslide-mass reduction of the Armed Forces. Including carriers of nuclear warheads. The triad of strategic nuclear forces has been turned into a monad in 20 years.
    1. 1_2
      
      -1
      
      14 February 2022 23: 38
      
      the triad of strategic nuclear forces has been updated by 70%, but you continue to believe in the strength of the dollar as in missile defense
      1. gunnerminer
        
        -5
        
        14 February 2022 23: 42
        
        The triad of strategic nuclear forces has become a monad. Only SSBN 955A of the project can go to sea, but without the cover of the MAPL. Without KPUG, and without PLO aviation, without air defense, without PMO.
        BRZhK liquidated, PGRK with monoblock ammunition. Total 5 Tu-160M, 12 Tu-95MS.
        
        1_2
        
        -3
        
        14 February 2022 23: 48
        
        to destroy the two coasts of the United States (NATO), several multi-purpose nuclear submarines are enough,
        on each 32 (up to 72 pieces will be on Batons) nuclear Caliber, and then hyper Zircons will be installed, Onyxes can also carry nuclear weapons. that is, the Russian Federation does not even need to use ICBMs
        
        https://naked-science.ru/article/tech/rossiyskie-batony-vooruzhat-kalibrami
        
        gunnerminer
        
        -5
        
        15 February 2022 09: 54
        
        To destroy the coast of the United States, it is enough to throw 72 caps of the 1905 model on Washington. The most common verb in USC is "will". Onyxes, Zircons are hats of the 2021 pattern. These are just unfinished ammunition. In order not to wave them around in the information space, but to use them effectively, the Civil Code of the Navy must provide a whole list of conditions. It will take 15 years to compile this list. Subject to stable oil and gas prices.
        
        Tektor
        
        0
        
        15 February 2022 15: 55
        
        There is such a tool - Vanguard, is called. 2 Mt, by the way. Its states cannot track it: the start is visible and that's it ... It is not known where it will arrive. But this is not even necessary: you can launch 2 Poseidon from a test launcher or Sarov: one will go to the island of La Palma, and the second to Hawaii. And 500 km from the coastline, everything will be washed into the ocean.
        
        gunnerminer
        
        -4
        
        15 February 2022 17: 24
        
        Vanguard is more of a psychological weapon. Several times less accurate than Yars M. In addition, it is represented only by an incomplete regimental kit. Makes an impression on the gullible and ingenuous.
2. gunnerminer
  
  -3
  
  14 February 2022 23: 11
  
  Yakov Kedmi political worker on salary.
3. 1_2
  
  -3
  
  14 February 2022 23: 32
  
  the blow will be if the Americans try to support the Armed Forces of Ukraine, but the senile immediately abandoned this idea, because "Putin is a killer" and can kill the USA))
  in any case, we are no longer talking about Ukraine, the General Staff of the Russian Federation has already written it off, now we are talking about the deployment of medium-sized missiles in Europe, Moscow is no longer interested in negotiations if the Americans refuse, ground-based installations of Caliber, Zircons, Iskanders with apples already targeted
Alexey Davydov

0

14 February 2022 21: 40

Of course, it’s nice to continue a comfortable peaceful life, but if this is the way to the slaughter, then by God, it’s better to fight for your future, and the future of your children, as our grandfathers did.
Given their mistakes. Before it's too late
1. gunnerminer
  
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  14 February 2022 22: 13
  
  They have never summed up the results of building an energy superpower. No errors reported. Since they didn’t voice it, it means they haven’t been in 20 years. That's how we got today's corridor. Or the loss of the political interface, or the war. With an incomprehensible result for the country.
zloybond

-1

14 February 2022 21: 47

Judging by how politicians from different countries come to Moscow every day and chatter our ears, and then bark about our aggression, a firm belief is created that they are simply playing for time, allowing the "Blok" to pull up their troops to the borders of the Outskirts, because they themselves are of such efficiency as Russia could not show. Well, Russia listens and waits, and pretends not to notice the daily divisions arriving from the other side. The question remains - surprise and speed of maneuver have already been lost. It remains now to wait for a lot of blood in solving previously relatively fast problems. Now the big problem is to do something - time is running out. You listen to these reports and understand that the denouement has been dragged out - and then it's too late. You just have to cut. Tomorrow, another regular politician will come to Moscow to play the fool and play for time, he will still go over the ears, then he will return and bark again that we are the aggressor and blah, blah, blah. And ours will again sit and wait .... Why are we sitting? Waiting for anybody? Tomorrow Apricots will occupy "their Pristina" and wave their bonnet at you Or, as in Munchausen’s: “Mr. Baron asked no one to leave, it will be any minute ....
1. Alexey Davydov
  
  0
  
  14 February 2022 22: 00
  
  I agree with you, with the only amendment that we need to go not to Ukraine - this is a trap for the States. The Americans themselves need to correct their brains.
  As for the speed of maneuver - here you are completely right
  1. gunnerminer
    
    -7
    
    14 February 2022 22: 14
    
    It is necessary to put pressure on the United States economically. Are you ready to sacrifice the Khmeimim cosmonauts and their tamnants?
    1. 1_2
      
      -3
      
      14 February 2022 23: 34
      
      you Zionist-Bandera clowns are easy to figure out by "ihtamnets")), but you will continue to claim that you are a Russian
      1. gunnerminer
        
        -3
        
        14 February 2022 23: 39
        
        How will you put pressure on the United States economically when mother oil and father gas, as well as round timber, are sold for US dollars?
        
        1_2
        
        -2
        
        14 February 2022 23: 41
        
        to do this, you just need to ban the dollar and the euro in the Russian Federation, the strength of the West is in the printing presses of their garbage candy wrappers, sell resources only for gold, this will accelerate the collapse of the debt pyramid of the West
        
        gunnerminer
        
        -3
        
        14 February 2022 23: 44
        
        Take the risk, stop it. Business executives Chubais, Mikhelson, Timchennko, Abramovich and Sechin, with Miller, will not allow this.
        
        1_2
        
        -3
        
        14 February 2022 23: 50
        
        how are they not allowed? will they ban Putin (the government) and the General Staff or what?
        
        Mark
        
        0
        
        15 February 2022 08: 42
        
        Thought good but incapable.
        Just keep in mind that the Russian Federation is sitting on the $-th needle. Many important components are purchased for $ and € from the opponents themselves.
        
        gunnerminer
        
        -4
        
        15 February 2022 10: 25
        
        Sechin, Mikhelson, Deripaska, Chubais, Miller are sitting on the currency needle. The rejection of the dollar with a further transition to candy wrappers is worse for them than a nuclear strike.
  2. Archangel
    
    +1
    
    15 February 2022 00: 29
    
    Yes, how can they correct it? And the forces and means are not enough. And we can't pull it out for a long time
    1. Alexey Davydov
      
      -1
      
      15 February 2022 00: 36
      
      I would put a new ultimatum to the States and England with the threat of a nuclear war with a delay of 3 days, demanding the withdrawal of all troops and weapons from Eastern Europe, with the readiness to withdraw our troops from the borders deep into the territory.
      I would give guarantees to the countries of Europe, as well as Japan, in case of their neutrality.
      During this period, I would fire 2-3 warning shots with nuclear weapons at our test sites. Possibly - a shot at a training ground in Nevada.
      In case of disobedience, he would launch strikes against the States according to one of the most suitable operational plans
      1. gunnerminer
        
        -4
        
        15 February 2022 09: 56
        
        Let the US recover from the earlier ultimatum. Have mercy on the stupid old man.
        
        Alexey Davydov
        
        0
        
        15 February 2022 10: 27
        
        Unlike the previous one, this ultimatum will give a "corridor" for the States, and the concrete action - to begin the withdrawal of troops. It will become easier for them. You don't even need to think.
        True, after Putin hid behind poor Lavrov, I no longer expect this from him.
        
        gunnerminer
        
        -3
        
        15 February 2022 11: 24
        
        It is necessary for Putin, for starters, to get out of the corridor himself. Retaining the political interface. Then pull out Lavrov.
Sergey Latyshev

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14 February 2022 22: 32

If we remove the water and the chattering of the electorate, then one thing remains:

Now these proposals were followed by a rather concrete reaction and readiness to enter into negotiations. Moscow's European Security Initiative Has Shaken Our Western Colleagues

- political trade.
Unemployment does not threaten the media, plans B, C, D, D, ..., Yu will be discussed for months, or even years.
1. Alexey Davydov
  
  +3
  
  14 February 2022 22: 52
  
  In the meantime, the shock systems of the West will rise along all our Western borders.
  Shoigu, after all, will build a new Moscow on permafrost, away from the missile danger, and from the territory of Kazakhstan with an incomprehensible future.
  This disgrace will finally turn us into a worldwide laughing stock.
  Neighboring states, which hitherto considered us as a possible regional leader, will finally go over to the States.
  After all, China will no longer respect us.
  Further - only surrender to the States with hands up.
  And rightly so.
  You can’t endlessly slide down an inclined plane, convincing yourself and everyone that you are climbing
  1. 1_2
    
    -4
    
    14 February 2022 23: 36
    
    then they will take you to the foolhouse, Russophobes all go crazy sooner or later
    1. Alexey Davydov
      
      +1
      
      15 February 2022 00: 03
      
      It’s hard to call me a Russophobe, rather, I have a phobia for formalists and temporary workers
tagil

-2

14 February 2022 22: 51

It is possible to engage in chatter with the West for months, while implementing military-technical measures, so that the West would not be bored (so that dirty diapers would be changed more often). Most likely it will be. As the GDP said, "we will not let ourselves be talked about."
1. gunnerminer
  
  -4
  
  14 February 2022 23: 09
  
  The implementation of military-technical measures broke the back of the Soviet economy. And the Russian raw material rental economy, and even more so, such an implementation is not up to the task. We have been implementing it in the former SAR for the seventh year already, five times we have already defeated everyone, and three times we have withdrawn troops.
Konstantin_4

+1

15 February 2022 07: 57

Gagarin - your descendants have 2021, how do you fly to Mars there? - who is flat.
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