Russia can return Ukraine without war through "humanitarian intervention"


The further the events around Ukraine develop, the higher the likelihood of Russia starting a war with this country becomes. A year ago, at the same time, our troops were in exactly the same way drawn up to the adjacent borders, large landing ships of the Baltic Fleet were being driven into the Black Sea. Then everything worked out, and the military contingents returned to their places of deployment. This time it may not be possible, since the events are taking place against the backdrop of a public refusal of the NATO bloc to carry out the “Putin ultimatum”. Just withdrawing troops now means losing face to the Russian president. What are the options for further action?


Do Russian wars want to happen?


Reading the domestic press and analytics, one simply marvels at the flight of fantasy of some authors. From article to article, the theses are repeated that it is the United States and the collective West that really dream of dragging Russia into a war with Ukraine, which, of course, it does not need: neither the war, nor Ukraine itself with its “sharovarniks”. Others, for some reason, believe that President Putin is "conducted" by Comrade Xi, who only decides whether there will be a Russian-Ukrainian war or not. All this is so strange.

To understand what the West really wants or, on the contrary, is afraid of, it is enough to carefully look at what the foreign media write, our former compatriots who emigrated to the United States, Canada or Israel for ideological reasons, as well as domestic liberals who stayed with us. So: they are all terribly afraid that the Kremlin will finally show a tough will and solve the “Ukrainian problem”.

What will the return of Nezalezhnaya to the bosom of the so-called “Russian world” give Russia? Much!

At first, the shameful stain of complicity with the Ukrainian Russophobic regime will be washed away, which was first recognized by the legitimate authorities, and then for many years was supported by the supply of motor fuel, fuels and lubricants and other resources. For the victorious country of the Third Reich, the trickery with Western puppets standing on the shoulders of neo-Nazis is an unacceptable shame. This is a gross and unforgivable violation of all our symbols and meanings.

SecondlyBy returning Ukraine, the Russian Defense Ministry will eliminate the absolutely real threat of deploying on its territory American anti-missile and strike systems capable of carrying nuclear warheads. From near Kharkov, a Tomahawk with a nuclear warhead will fly not only to Moscow, but will also reach beyond the Urals.

Thirdly, the return of Nezalezhnaya and its accession to the Union State will lead to the restoration of all previous industrial and trade ties, which will benefit all three Slavic countries - Russia, Ukraine and Belarus. Jobs will reappear at Ukrainian enterprises, prices for energy resources that can be bought directly, and even at a discount, will become comfortable. The domestic military-industrial complex in cooperation will be able to quickly rearm the army and navy.

Finally, the social situation in Ukraine itself will be able to normalize. No more Russophobic propaganda that brainwashes the remnants of the brain every day. The Russian language will receive the status of the second state language. Family and kinship ties between countries broken after the Maidan will begin to be restored. Is this not enough?

And do not throw propaganda cliches in the spirit of what, they say, will have to "feed the sharovars"! Ukraine is a country with great potential and hardworking people. It will feed itself, it will be enough to help with recovery economic connections and access to the domestic Russian market.

Thus, Russia needs Ukraine, and how. The question is what price is she willing to pay for it.

An absolutely bloodless scenario was seen from February to May 2014, when there was no recognized power in Kiev, and the legitimate president Yanukovych was in Rostov. In the Kremlin, it was enough to show will, and the Maidan would have ended according to the “Belarusian” or “Kazakhstani” scenario. But, alas, this unique historical opportunity was mediocrely lost. Now there are only bad options left, one worse than the other, and you have to choose from them.

Chapter?


Unfortunately, it’s not easy to enter Ukraine now. Over the past 8 years, the Armed Forces of Ukraine have increased in number to 261 people. The training, discipline and controllability of the troops has increased. Alas, there will definitely not be an easy walk, despite the declared superiority of the Russian army over the Ukrainian one. Some will run, some may even come over to our side. But there are those who will honestly fulfill their military duty. Do not forget that exactly the same Russian guys from the South-East serve in the Armed Forces of Ukraine, who, by their national character, stand on the defensive, in their native land. You shouldn't oversimplify everything. Smooth only on paper. There will be blood, lots of it. At both sides. This is the payback for 8 years of doing nothing. But you can't do anything anymore!

The key question is how far the Kremlin will be ready to go now, if in 2014 they did nothing under the most favorable circumstances. There are three main options, which may have their own sub-options.

First and most stupid is to confine ourselves to a local armed conflict in the Donbass. To shed a lot of blood in order to move forward a little, taking several settlements that no one needs, and then again trying to return them to Ukraine back through the conditional Minsk-3. However, the capital of Belarus is unlikely to be used as a platform for negotiations now. Judging by the activity of President Erdogan, bargaining, senseless and merciless, will move to Ankara or Istanbul.

The second option suggests a large-scale offensive across the territory of historical Novorossia, something that should have been done in 2014. Then Moscow will cut off Kiev from the Black Sea, all its most important industrial enterprises, which will make it possible to strangle the Russophobic regime economically. However, there is a risk that the NATO bloc will respond with a counter entry of troops into the rest of Ukraine.

Third Embodiment - this is the occupation by Russian troops and the militia of the LDNR of the territory of the Left-Bank Ukraine with Kiev, the Nikolaev and Odessa regions with access to Transnistria. For sure, the Right-Bank Ukraine will be occupied by NATO troops, and the Dnieper will again become a historical border. Our sphere of influence will then have the most strategically important regions with their resources and industrial enterprises. This is what the Union State will be able to digest and integrate. At the current stage, Russia will hardly have enough resources for Pravoberezhnaya with its most disloyal population. Perhaps it is worth thinking about some special demilitarized status for these regions and joint administration with Poland, Romania and Hungary.

Sub-option - inclusion in the sphere of Russian influence of all historical Little Russia, including along the Right Bank. Then the scenario with an autonomous Western Ukraine and its European neighbors becomes the most optimal. Novorossiya and Malorossiya can form a new federation, which could enter the Union State with Russia and Belarus.

These scenarios are far from ideal, there are none for a long time, but they are quite realizable and carry a lot of opportunities. However, their implementation at this stage automatically means what in the West will be called a "war of conquest." Can this be somehow avoided?

Humanitarian intervention?


Humanitarian intervention or humanitarian war - the use of military force against a foreign state or any forces on its territory to prevent a humanitarian catastrophe or genocide of the local population.

To some extent, we have already concerned previously. In order for Russian troops to be able to carry out a humanitarian intervention in Ukraine, several conditions must exist there.

First of all, the situation in the country must be destabilized. For example, mass protests that turned into riots, as was the case at the beginning of the year in Kazakhstan. The reason can be a lot: rising food prices, higher tariffs, anti-war protests, etc.

If the actions are truly large-scale, capturing the entire South-East, and not only, and Kiev’s reaction to them turns out to be inadequate, Moscow may withdraw recognition of the Ukrainian authorities and, on the contrary, recognize the DPR and LPR, returning former Prime Minister Azarov there to create a Ukrainian government in exile. It is it that will have to become the coordinator of all subsequent political events in Nezalezhnaya. It would be highly desirable to promote the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the civilian population in advance, clearly explaining what awaits them in the event of a turn towards the Union State (See above).

In the event that Ukrainian nationalists and security forces try to pour blood on the protests, then the Russian military will have the right to protect their compatriots by carrying out a humanitarian intervention with the transfer of control of the liberated territories to the Ukrainian government (no longer in exile), the Donbas militia and the people's militia being formed.
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  1. passing by Offline passing by
    passing by (passing by) 12 February 2022 15: 15
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    and Russia is a haven for the damp and the poor? The United States and Europe together have neither the desire nor the ability to make a developed state out of Ukraine, but can Russia? whom shall we undress, so that the Khokhlyatsky popandopulo will have new trousers?
  2. Valera75 Offline Valera75
    Valera75 (Valery) 12 February 2022 15: 18
    +3
    The domestic military-industrial complex in cooperation will be able to quickly rearm the army and navy.

    Motor sich? The rest is all dead and it will not speed up rearmament, which we have been doing normally for 8 years even without an independent one. All smart heads from the military-industrial complex of Ukraine left it long ago and I think 90% will not even think to return back. I think it’s stupid to wait for the exhaust to come out. But the fact that it is necessary to restore order in the square and hang all the Nazis or put it on a stake is 100% Otherwise, Ukraine will always be a platform for all militants who will be trained there by Western instructors for terrorist attacks in Russia
    1. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 12 February 2022 15: 27
      -3
      Enterprises are not only walls, but also intellectual property. It is very important
    2. Starik59 Offline Starik59
      Starik59 (Starik) 12 February 2022 20: 03
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      Agree 100%! Yes, and Sich is more dead than alive !!
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  4. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 12 February 2022 15: 26
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    Well, finally, it dawned on some that there will be a war and this is not so good, but simply necessary.
    But again, all sorts of excuses come into play, such as "humanitarian intervention."
    We must simply and honestly say - the war is in order to improve our (Russian) security.
    And helping Russians living in Ukraine and those who sympathize with us is a bonus.
    The main thing is to make the neighboring territory neutral, ideally friendly.
    And against this background, economic integration will also be natural, and Russians, Ukrainians and other nationalities living in Ukraine will live calmer and more satisfying.
    That is, that cynical division of the former Ukraine, which was repeatedly mentioned earlier, into several parts - this is the most reasonable thing that the Russian Federation can achieve at the present time. This will be the NATO military-technical response that they fear.
    1. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 12 February 2022 15: 28
      -2
      Who got it. I have been writing about this since 2014. Tired of writing
      1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 12 February 2022 15: 39
        -1
        Recently, against the backdrop of the words of the Russian authorities that no war is planned, against the backdrop of numerous comments that there will be no war, against the backdrop of delusional discussions of how ours will respond to ignoring the ultimatum (up to denying that there was an ultimatum) - somehow everything The media have become very peaceful and mercantile (they say sanctions).
        Like, where our Americans will be bitten very far away, and nothing will happen to us for this. Teenagers!!
      2. Starik59 Offline Starik59
        Starik59 (Starik) 12 February 2022 20: 05
        +1
        Well, sorry, my dear, that we clicked you! It was necessary to shout louder .. oh, write! or write!
      3. sH, arK Offline sH, arK
        sH, arK 12 February 2022 22: 03
        +2
        Then, in 2014, the authorities hoped to "get by with little", hoped for "maybe somehow" it would cost ... But what's the point of discussing already?! There is no subjunctive mood here and cannot be. Everything. Gone. Go. It has come. With the first two questions - what and why - it is clear. The question remains the same as 8 years ago - what and how much;) And while the answer is - it's expensive for "it", it's not worth it now! Industry has collapsed, the population has been brainwashed in many ways, even pipelines are no longer needed ... In general, "the benefits have not been proven, but the harm is obvious," Occam's razor! But if you wait a little more, 5-6 years, but not just stupidly, as it was, but block transit, trade, then the boiler can be heated up, and then the population's eyes can be opened! There is no need to rush... We are waiting for the corpse to float...
  5. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 12 February 2022 15: 44
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    Quote: Marzhetsky
    I have been writing about this since 2014. Tired of writing

    One of my predictions came true. Our landing ships sailed to the Crimea. 21.01.22/XNUMX/XNUMX wrote.
    A few days ago I wrote how the transition to war would be formalized. It will be interesting to come true at 100% or only at 90%.
  6. 123 Offline 123
    123 (123) 12 February 2022 15: 46
    +5
    Just withdrawing troops now means losing face to the Russian president.

    In other words, if the Russian army does not go to Ukraine now, shame on Putin? What kind of nonsense? Troops on the border stand in case of suppression of the strike on the LDNR. And you seem to think that Putin put forward a ulitamtum, they say, do this, otherwise we are going to Kiev? Who told you this?

    the shameful stain of complicity with the Ukrainian Russophobic regime will be washed away, which was first recognized by the legitimate authorities, and then for many years was supported by the supply of motor fuel, fuels and lubricants and other resources. For the victorious country of the Third Reich, the trickery with Western puppets standing on the shoulders of neo-Nazis is an unacceptable shame. This is a gross and unforgivable violation of all our symbols and meanings.

    I don’t know what symbols you have and who trampled them, but until June 22, 1941, the “victorious country” did not consider economic cooperation with that same Third Reich shameful. Don't you think that there were reasons for this? And the supply of "motor fuel" to the "Western puppets" did not disdain at least one more "victorious country", which, in the event of a cessation of supplies from Russia, would gladly make up for the missing and sprinkle more multi-vector on top. So there is nothing for us to instill a guilt complex here.

    the return of Nezalezhnaya and its accession to the Union State will lead to the restoration of all previous industrial and trade ties, which will benefit all three Slavic countries - Russia, Ukraine and Belarus ....
    The domestic military-industrial complex in cooperation will be able to quickly rearm the army and navy.

    Are you seriously? 8 years of import substitution down the drain? In the first paragraph, shame that economic ties were not immediately broken, spitting on the economic interests of the country (which, by the way, is essentially sabotage). 8 years is not a short period, over the years something has changed, restoration in the previous volume is not possible and there is no need for it. Much is produced domestically, Ukrainian imports are simply not needed. this is especially true for the military-industrial complex. Do you dream of stepping on the rake again?

    An absolutely bloodless scenario was seen from February to May 2014, when there was no recognized power in Kiev, and the legitimate president Yanukovych was in Rostov. In the Kremlin, it was enough to show will, and the Maidan would have ended according to the “Belarusian” or “Kazakhstani” scenario.

    It is not true. Unlike Belarus and Kazakhstan, Yanukovych turned out to be a rag. So "the will of the Kremlin" was not enough.

    And stop pumping up and dreaming about a campaign against Kiev. You are so likened to Western propaganda, imposing an opinion about the inevitability of war. Those wishing to prove themselves in the fight against the Ukrainian regime all these years had the opportunity to sign up as volunteers. Everyone who has not done this and calls for the boys to be sent there is acting disgustingly.
    1. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 12 February 2022 16: 01
      -8
      Again branded boltology with hackneyed cliches justifying doing nothing
      1. 123 Offline 123
        123 (123) 12 February 2022 17: 03
        +6
        Again branded boltology with hackneyed cliches justifying doing nothing

        This is probably no worse than unfounded accusations, calls to jump on a rake or bang your head against a wall simply because it is itching and you don’t understand what to do. And about doing nothing, I can repeat.

        Those wishing to prove themselves in the fight against the Ukrainian regime all these years had the opportunity to sign up as volunteers. Everyone who has not done this and calls for the boys to be sent there is acting disgustingly.
    2. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 12 February 2022 16: 17
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      Those wishing to prove themselves in the fight against the Ukrainian regime all these years had the opportunity to sign up as volunteers.

      Empty. Volunteers know how to deal uncertainly with a maximum of light riflemen. They need to go through more than one week of combat coordination. They are hardly fit for combat without health restrictions. To live in the steppe, in dugouts, to eat somehow, to run with full gear and in wet shoes. In case of injury and loss of a limb, they are not entitled to treatment in medical institutions of the Russian Ministry of Defense.
  7. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 12 February 2022 15: 51
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    Quote: passing by
    start! I'll see how many Ukrainians you can feed

    Who is feeding them now? They seem to be doing it themselves. And further, I am sure, they will not starve.
    Lazy and talkative people are very afraid that they will be forced to feed someone. Well, yes. Their poverty is only due to the fact that the Russian authorities are constantly feeding someone, but they (lazy and talkative) are not fed. Poor things!
    1. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 12 February 2022 15: 58
      -4
      Here I am about the same. Already tired of these whiners
      1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 12 February 2022 16: 30
        -9
        Here I found another whiner.
        https://www.interfax.ru/russia/373117
        And one more
        https://www.interfax.ru/russia/370910
        Just enough for your favorite aircraft carriers
    2. passing by Offline passing by
      passing by (passing by) 12 February 2022 16: 02
      -2
      if they manage on their own, then why all the howling about the fact that Russia should have "liberated" Ukrainians back in 2014? And I, being "lazy and talkative", will now go to the night shift at the factory. plow 12 hours for a modest 60k salary. "reply" button for "experts" is not available?
      1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 12 February 2022 16: 07
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        You wrote about feeding, and now about freeing.
        The "reply" button is available. I'm just not too lazy to highlight the text to which my comment refers. Yes, lazy and talkative - this is not to understand.
  8. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 12 February 2022 15: 55
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    Quote: 123
    Troops on the border stand in case of suppression of the strike on the LDNR. And you seem to think that Putin has put forward a ulitamtum, they say, do this, otherwise we are going to Kiev? Who told you this?

    And who told you why our troops are on the border?
    It is very stupid to stand and wait for the LDNR to be hit. And they hit - so what? Ran to stop, and then back to stand at the border and wait?
  9. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 12 February 2022 16: 00
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    Quote: 123
    Those wishing to prove themselves in the fight against the Ukrainian regime all these years had the opportunity to sign up as volunteers.

    I served in the army. And I know what the army is for.

    The enemies were very happy that our people fought in the LDNR as volunteers.
    But only the Russian army can conduct effective military operations. The armed forces of the republics are only capable of fighting back. Taking too many losses. ... you in the teeth. Planes, missiles, artillery, not a volunteer army.
  10. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
    gunnerminer (gunner miner) 12 February 2022 16: 11
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    The key question is how far the Kremlin will be ready to go now, if in 2014 they did nothing under the most favorable circumstances.

    The President of Russia offered the Ukrainian authorities 18 billion dollars in those years. 3 billion managed to be transferred to Ukraine before the departure of President Yanukovych and Premier Azarov to Russia.

    Everything else is crossed out by the Minsk agreements, in which Donbass and Lugansk are recognized as Ukrainian territory.

    Jobs will reappear at Ukrainian enterprises, prices for energy resources that can be bought directly, and even at a discount, will become comfortable. The domestic military-industrial complex in cooperation will be able to quickly rearm the army and navy.

    What is preventing now to create a comfortable environment at the Russian defense industry enterprises? How to save Ukrainian enterprises from theft and corruption, even if we cannot clean up our own?
  11. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
    Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 12 February 2022 16: 20
    -6
    For the victorious country of the Third Reich, the trickery with Western puppets standing on the shoulders of neo-Nazis is an unacceptable shame. This is a gross and unforgivable violation of all our symbols and meanings.

    The author about it? https://lenta.ru/articles/2015/03/23/ultra_piter/

    Secondly, by returning Ukraine, the Russian Defense Ministry will eliminate the absolutely real threat of deploying on its territory American anti-missile and strike systems capable of carrying nuclear warheads. From near Kharkov, a Tomahawk with a nuclear warhead will fly not only to Moscow, but will also reach beyond the Urals.

    And I think this threat is absolutely not real. Where did the author take this from?

    Thirdly, the return of Nezalezhnaya and its accession to the Union State will lead to the restoration of all previous industrial and trade ties, which will benefit all three Slavic countries - Russia, Ukraine and Belarus. Jobs will reappear at Ukrainian enterprises, prices for energy resources that can be bought directly, and even at a discount, will become comfortable.

    The Russian Federation for the "return" of Square will have to pay very dearly in economic terms. It is clear that not all Rotenbergs and Sechins will pay for this, but ordinary citizens of the Russian Federation. What is there for someone who will benefit from the author’s unsubstantiated fantasies.

    Just withdrawing troops now means losing face to the Russian president.

    That is, the fate of millions of people and the lives of thousands depends on inadequate ambitions, the ego of one person who is afraid of losing face? Well, that's very sad.
  12. Valera75 Offline Valera75
    Valera75 (Valery) 12 February 2022 16: 31
    +1
    Quote: 123
    Much is produced domestically, Ukrainian imports are simply not needed. this is especially true for the military-industrial complex. Do you dream of stepping on the rake again?

    I also wrote about this above. No cooperation is even close. 8 years have somehow gone away from this and there are still problems, but here you can take it and screw everything up overnight. It will be enough to conclude contracts for Russian gas, the same one that they are buying now, gas but at a good price, to help modernize the gas pipeline, and use Ukraine as a sales market for their products. In parallel, they will develop their own but mind you and without wild injections from Russia. three more lards were not returned to us and the Scythian gold to the Crimea.
  13. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 12 February 2022 16: 33
    +1
    Quote: Oleg Rambover
    It is clear that not all Rotenbergs and Sechins will pay for this, but ordinary citizens of the Russian Federation.

    Everyone will pay. Stop lying that only ordinary citizens. Everyone will pay.
    And we pay for a long time and for everything. They train us, they kick us, they spit on us.
    Tired. I want all these repressions to be honestly deserved.
    For example, the division of the territory of the former Ukraine into several parts.
    Crimea is good, but this is not enough.
    Well, it's time to hint that the Russian Federation is not a defeated country at all. She has something to complain about.
    1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 12 February 2022 16: 53
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      For example, the division of the territory of the former Ukraine into several parts.
      Crimea is good, but this is not enough.

      Go ahead Take a risk. Ground troops are waiting for orders. How we will snap at Japanese provocations near Sakhalin and the Kuriles. In the Arctic?
  14. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
    gunnerminer (gunner miner) 12 February 2022 16: 35
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    In the event that Ukrainian nationalists and security forces try to pour blood on the protests, then the Russian military will have the right to protect their compatriots by carrying out a humanitarian intervention with the transfer of control of the liberated territories to the Ukrainian government (no longer in exile), the Donbas militia and the people's militia being formed.

    In 1996, after the signing of the Khasavyurt agreements, the troops of the group left the territory of the CHIR. Leaving the Russian-speaking and more than 1000 captured soldiers. And slept peacefully.
  15. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 12 February 2022 16: 43
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    In one social network, I read the posts of a girl from the Crimea, after its annexation to Russia.
    The posts are so festive, patriotic.
    I was not too lazy and found those posts that she wrote when Crimea was Ukrainian.
    It's funny. She wrote about the future Olympics in Sochi, that she would ruin Russia. According to her, the costs are so high that every Russian could get a million. Well, of course, a girl, a humanist, does not know how to count. But she was indignant and worried about the Russian people.

    Many commentators here are the same.

    The way to return a normal outlook on life is simple - to do as with the Crimea.
    There will immediately be more patriots, and fewer alarmists.
    1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 12 February 2022 16: 51
      -6
      The Olympics made a hole in the budget, not a weak one. Olympic gold taken away because of doping. And now we are urgently looking for funds to maintain the remnants of the strategic nuclear forces.
      1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 12 February 2022 16: 52
        +2
        Stop lying.
        1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
          gunnerminer (gunner miner) 12 February 2022 16: 57
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          Despite the revaluation of income, the Olympiad remains heavily unprofitable, says Igor Nikolaev, director of the FBK strategic analysis department. Officially spent 325 billion rubles. do not include infrastructure costs, but the application for the Games included a comparable amount that took into account these costs. Taking into account the construction of infrastructure, the costs for the Olympics amounted to about 1,5 trillion rubles, and they should be compared with income, the economist believes. With a growing economy in the foreseeable future, spending could pay for itself, but not in a crisis, Nikolaev estimates.

          The Anti-Corruption Foundation (FBK) of Alexei Navalny estimated the total costs of preparing and holding the Sochi Olympics at 1,5 trillion rubles. According to FBK, only 4% of these 1,5 trillion rubles. actually private investments, the rest of the amount was made up of direct budget expenditures, spending by state-owned companies and loans from Vnesheconombank. “The Olympics in Sochi cost five times more than the Games in Vancouver, and an order of magnitude more expensive than in Salt Lake City and Turin,” the FBK report noted.

          https://www.rbc.ru/economics/10/04/2015/5527dc9b9a79474638bba371

          In early March, the Ministry of Defense announced that, despite the crisis, defense spending would not be reduced. However, the situation in the country is developing in such a way that the military will still have to introduce an austerity regime.

          https://versia.ru/sergej-shojgu-ne-otstoyal-byudzhet-minoborony
          1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 12 February 2022 17: 30
            +4
            Don't stress. The subject of the Olympics, I went through many years ago.
            And moreover, as an eyewitness, I will say that there was no deterioration in economic life. What actually frightened. The daughter lives in Sochi - she rejoices at the changes that have taken place. And after the Crimea there was no deterioration, and after the construction of the bridge to the Crimea, etc.
            To put it mildly, they already got it.

            One alarmist friend promised gasoline for 100 rubles at the beginning of 2015. Another lost 500 euros to me, claiming that the euro will be worth 150+ rubles by the end of 2015.

            Everyone who operated with specific numbers - crap. Now the enemies are smarter. They write The Olympics made a hole in the budget, not a weak one.
            1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
              gunnerminer (gunner miner) 12 February 2022 19: 15
              -5
              The Sochi population rejoices, but the castle population does not rejoice. Not all Russians live in the capital, and in Sochi. Sberbank does not work in Crimea, fearing sanctions, and large food wholesalers. Rostam is forced to get out with low-speed turbines for a nuclear power plant in Akyuyu (Turkey). And so on. Gasoline in Russia is by no means cheaper.
          2. Dart2027 Offline Dart2027
            Dart2027 12 February 2022 20: 37
            +1
            Quote: gunnerminer
            https://www.rbc.ru/economics/10/04/2015/5527dc9b9a79474638bba371

            Read

            According to experts of the Accounts Chamber, direct expenses for the preparation and holding of the Olympic Games amounted to almost 325 billion rubles, including 104 billion rubles. budget funds. Incomes of the organizers doubled the planned

            Lesion?

            Anti-Corruption Foundation (FBK) Alexei Navalny

            You may not read further. Refer to Goebbels

            Quote: gunnerminer
            https://versia.ru/sergej-shojgu-ne-otstoyal-byudzhet-minoborony

            Is this here?

            As a result, the expenses of the department of Sergei Shoigu will decrease in 2015 by 100 million rubles.
    2. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 12 February 2022 19: 12
      -7
      The issue is not a drop in the standard of living, but a lack of funding for state armaments programs.
      It will not work out as with Crimea. Sanctions were imposed for Crimea. Now I had to surrender to the mercy of President Xi in order to partially compensate for the sanctions. What we will have to pay with him, we will soon find out.
  16. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 12 February 2022 16: 51
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    Quote: gunnerminer
    In 1996, after the signing of the Khasavyurt agreements, the troops of the group left the territory of the CHIR. Leaving the Russian-speaking and more than 1000 captured soldiers. And slept peacefully.

    It was a betrayal.
    That is why I hope that Russia will not allow such jambs on the territory of the former Ukraine.

    But it should be noted that the betrayal became possible because some beings were very worried about the appearance of Russia in the eyes of the West. Other creatures did not want war and sacrifice. Mothers worried about their sons.
    And the fact that the state is simply obliged to take care of its citizens has been forgotten. And that the army is not a kindergarten.
    1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 12 February 2022 17: 02
      -7
      This is not a betrayal. And the political and operational miscalculation of an illiterate leadership.
      Now there are even more worries about the appearance of Russia in the eyes of the West. In those years, Russian-speaking patriots
      inhabitants in London, and in other settlements of the EU and the USA, were orders of magnitude smaller.

      And the fact that the state is simply obliged to take care of its citizens has been forgotten.

      Do they remember now?

      And that the army is not a kindergarten.

      Send the untrained into battle, not a kindergarten.
      1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 12 February 2022 17: 16
        +2
        I haven't been to the USA, but I haven't been to Europe more than once. There are enough Russian speakers, but the majority are from Ukraine. Moreover, 95% speak Russian even among themselves. I met only three people who spoke Move.
        As for the survivors for the appearance of Russia, I don’t believe it. Unreliable source. It is clear that the enemy of Russia and Russian.
        1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
          gunnerminer (gunner miner) 12 February 2022 19: 18
          -5
          Russian-speakers from Ukraine, and other CIS ones, flee to the EU, to Canada, to the USA. Not en masse to Russia. The youth of Kazakhstan of younger military age connects their future with the EU, with Turkey, with the People's Republic of China.
  17. wolf46 Offline wolf46
    wolf46 12 February 2022 16: 55
    -1
    “Germany will transfer the Consulate General from Dnipro to Lviv”, “The US State Department ordered the departure of non-essential staff of the embassy in Ukraine”, etc. According to rumors, today there was a strong explosion in the territory of Donbass, controlled by the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Fake or provocation, time will tell.
  18. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 12 February 2022 16: 56
    +1
    Quote: gunnerminer
    The Olympics made a hole in the budget, not a weak one.

    Israel will never host the Olympic Games or World Championships. Never.
    1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 12 February 2022 19: 22
      -6
      My congratulations to Israel. Medical care in tiny Israel is significantly superior to that in Russia. Plus, in Russia, which is under sanctions and focused on import substitution, there is currently an acute problem of free access to vital medicines for patients (for example, for diabetics, patients diagnosed with spinal muscular atrophy, etc.). .).
      In Israel, on the contrary, it is one of the most successful innovation areas. Thus, over the past few years, Israeli scientists have developed and successfully implemented such innovative solutions in the field of medicine as: digital mammography, virtual 3D coronography, computed tomography for the heart, optoelectronic laser ophthalmological devices.
  19. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 12 February 2022 17: 03
    +4
    Quote: gunnerminer
    How we will snap at Japanese provocations near Sakhalin and the Kuriles. In the Arctic?

    I already wrote. I will feel sorry for the two useless "islands", but I will still survive their destruction. I wrote about the UK and Japan.

    Russia will no longer get involved in long-term wars with conventional weapons.
    Provocation at Sakhalin - in response to provocative megaton strikes on Japan.
    We'll beat Japan's high GDP somehow.
    1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 12 February 2022 19: 26
      -5
      The captains of Russian business fled to the UK, and those who have not yet fled sent their relatives there. The director of the National Guard troops, Viktor Zolotov, sent the most valuable thing - his grandson - to study there. Learn to defend Russia.
      In Japan, non-nuclear nuclear warheads cannot be used. Especially in the vicinity of US bases. In Japan, high-speed trains were launched more than 50 years ago. Rostec is trying to put into production electronic circuit boards, which the Japanese abandoned 45 years ago.

      We'll beat Japan's high GDP somehow.

      Comedy club.
      1. Dart2027 Offline Dart2027
        Dart2027 12 February 2022 20: 39
        -1
        Quote: gunnerminer
        In Japan, high-speed trains were launched more than 50 years ago.

        When we lived in the USSR

        Quote: gunnerminer
        Rostec is trying to put into production electronic boards that the Japanese abandoned 45 years ago.

        When we lived in the USSR.
        1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
          gunnerminer (gunner miner) 12 February 2022 23: 04
          -4
          We will never live in the USSR. Mikhail Sergeevich Gorbachev and Boris Nikolaevich Yeltsin ended the USSR forever.
          1. Dart2027 Offline Dart2027
            Dart2027 13 February 2022 09: 18
            -1
            Quote: gunnerminer
            Mikhail Sergeevich Gorbachev and Boris Nikolaevich Yeltsin ended the USSR forever.

            That is, it is they who are to blame for the fact that the USSR lagged behind Japan 50 years ago?
            1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
              gunnerminer (gunner miner) 13 February 2022 10: 24
              -5
              I could not grasp the silver flight of your thought.
              1. Dart2027 Offline Dart2027
                Dart2027 13 February 2022 11: 31
                0
                Quote: gunnerminer
                Couldn't grab

                Quote: Dart2027
                In Japan, high-speed trains were launched more than 50 years ago.

                The USSR existed until December 26, 1991, rounded up to 1992.
                2022-1992 30 =
                50-30 20 =

                Quote: Dart2027
                The USSR lagged behind Japan 50 years ago
                1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                  gunnerminer (gunner miner) 13 February 2022 11: 33
                  -4
                  That is, the USSR existed for one year? Then Gorbachev and the PB of the Central Committee of the CPSU are wizards!
                  1. Dart2027 Offline Dart2027
                    Dart2027 13 February 2022 13: 13
                    0
                    Quote: gunnerminer
                    That is, the USSR existed for one year?

                    And what does this follow from?
                    1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 13 February 2022 15: 23
                      -5
                      From your comment (question) above.
                      1. Dart2027 Offline Dart2027
                        Dart2027 13 February 2022 16: 07
                        0
                        Quote: gunnerminer
                        From your comment

                        Where exactly?
  20. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 12 February 2022 17: 18
    +1
    Quote: gunnerminer
    Send the untrained into battle, not a kindergarten.

    Bad tradition. Even now they are proposing to send volunteers, not the army.
    Let's get rid of this trouble. Alcoholism is almost defeated, roads are almost built, fools will get easier jobs.
    1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 12 February 2022 19: 31
      -5
      Alcoholism is being replaced by drug addiction and HIV, with AIDS.

      It’s worth mentioning again, if modern military experts are to be believed, and my opinion completely agrees with them, the Russian army could well have taken both Grozny and all of Chechnya in a month and a half. But due to the complete, I repeat, the complete lack of planning for the operation and setting clear tasks, the army was unable to take Grozny either on January 1 or 2. The Chechen war shows us a living example of a war where planning "on the knee" leads to absolutely disgusting and nasty consequences. Okay, enough talking about this, let's get back to the 131st brigade, which left Mozdok and headed towards its fate.

      Not much time has passed. There were massive reductions after this war, more than 120 thousand officers, ensigns, sergeants and privates of the contract service. The current contacts are yesterday's conscripts. The contract system is failing. Most do not go for a second contract. They are already recruiting for the contract those who did not serve urgent, they only had a secondary special education.
  21. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 12 February 2022 18: 47
    0
    Wait a week or two and you'll see.

    All the media will pretend that they did not write anything about a future war (but someone else did).
    At the same time, they will happily count the prizes, so many articles out of nothing. Unemployment is definitely not threatened globally
  22. Dingo Offline Dingo
    Dingo (Victor) 12 February 2022 23: 40
    +1
    The author, do not remind me - in which year was the last Bandera cache liquidated after the end of the Second World War?
  23. Moray Boreas Offline Moray Boreas
    Moray Boreas (Morey Borey) 13 February 2022 00: 39
    0
    Just withdrawing troops now means losing face to the Russian president. What are the options for further action?

    - complete bullshit. Khokhlostan is now doomed to be a country - a mirage for many decades.
  24. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 13 February 2022 03: 27
    +1
    Quote: gunnerminer
    Alcoholism is being replaced by drug addiction and HIV, with AIDS.

    Alcoholism is being replaced by senile insanity.
  25. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 13 February 2022 03: 32
    +1
    Quote: gunnerminer
    The youth of Kazakhstan of younger military age connects their future with the EU, with Turkey, with the People's Republic of China.

    It's not a suggestion, it's a lie. I personally know what the youth of Kazakhstan connects their future with.
    Everything. Tired. I'll just downvote any comment. Because in every area where I can tell by the facts - true or not - you lie all the time. Or you write phrases from the training manual.
    1. Dart2027 Offline Dart2027
      Dart2027 13 February 2022 13: 18
      0
      Quote: Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
      Because in all areas where I can tell by facts - true or not - you lie all the time.

      For a fan of the USSR, Russia is an enemy, and all her enemies are allies. Remember how hysterical they were when Russia helped quell unrest in Kazakhstan.
      https://vpoanalytics.com/2022/01/29/besporyadki-v-kazahstane-sotsialisticheskaya-revolyutsiya-ili-bajskie-razborki/?utm_source=politobzor.net
  26. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 13 February 2022 04: 13
    +2
    There must be a war on the territory of the former Ukraine. Moreover, it should end with the inclusion of the DPR and LPR (within the borders of the regions) into the Russian Federation. Deserved.
    On the rest of the territory, two or more neutral or Russian-friendly states should be formed. No gifts to Poland, Romania, Hungary. Until the war. They didn't deserve it.

    All other outcomes in the current situation will be a deterioration in Russia's security in the strategic plan. Whatever wise ostriches and high-ranking giraffes tell you.
  27. Siegfried Offline Siegfried
    Siegfried (Gennady) 13 February 2022 05: 28
    -2
    the invasion of Ukraine is impossible, whatever you call it, humanitarian, saving, liberating. Everyone is waiting for Russian aggression against Ukraine. This option is not possible. Russia can only respond to the military actions of Ukraine and this response will be commensurate with the level of aggression on the part of Ukraine.
    Now the US intentions are a little unclear. It seems that the United States is increasing pressure on Ukraine regarding the implementation of the Minsk agreements. At the same time, there is evidence that the US is sabotaging the implementation of the Minsk agreements. The fact that Kiev is so confident in refusing also speaks of a similar position of the United States behind the scenes. Then why pump now? Submarine, February 16, everyone is sitting in the bunker. Perhaps the US has made another attempt to take on the fright. But the question is, what will happen after the 16th if Russia does not de-escalate (withdrawal of troops)?
    The US indicated that the Russian invasion would take place in full, air strikes, shelling, in short Operation Bagration (only a little lower). Obviously, this is nonsense. Everyone understands this.
    The answer may be simpler than many think. There is such a suspicion that the US itself does not know what to do. They say to Kiev - delay Minsk, play for time. They are trying to scare Russia with the possibility of an escalation with the US / NATO (submarine, strategists, 82nd division in Poland). They see that the Russians do not give up, as they did last year. We have decided now, but let's tighten up, on the 16th "something" bad will happen (they pretend that they have come up with something), perhaps hoping that Russia will say at the last moment, okay, OK. There will be no OK. There is no way back, CIA analysts should generally understand this. How will Russia sell its OK to the residents of Donbass? Russia was sent, intimidated, Kiev sent, intimidated, and Russia should crawl back to its lair?
    Now the theme of the Normandy format is being rounded off. Scholz is still coming. Then Russia will start supplying arms to the Donbass. Europe will persuade the United States and Russia at the same time to finally put an end to this nightmare. Russia has time, it can go on like this for a couple more months. The US is running out of time. And if their brilliant plan is a "provocation", then this will be the most grandiose miscalculation in their history, which will accelerate the fall of the United States many times over. Now Ukraine is being watched through by all the special services of Europe, being tapped, sniffed and thought out, so that all their provocation will emerge like shit in a clean pool.
    It is possible that the 16th will pass like all other days. A little tense, then they will say that after the call, Putin may have changed his mind about attacking a little. And they will continue to play for time. Russia too. Europe will be fucked up by both, rushing back and forth. There is a way out - Minsk2. And everything will immediately become quiet and calm, gas will immediately pour through Poland and Ukraine. Everyone will be happy, except for the USA.
  28. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 13 February 2022 06: 16
    +2
    Quote: Siegfried
    There is a way out - Minsk2. And everything will immediately become quiet and calm, gas will immediately pour through Poland and Ukraine. Everyone will be happy

    Who are these happy people? Minsk-2 made sense in the first six months or a year after the conclusion of the contract.
    Now no one needs him for nothing. Neither Russia, nor the former Ukraine, nor the LDNR.
    There are a lot of Russian citizens in the LDNR, the economy of the republics began to integrate into the Russian economy.
    What will Minsk-2 give to these three parties?
    Or are you happy for Poland, Germany and France?
  29. Larisa Byvseva Offline Larisa Byvseva
    Larisa Byvseva (Larisa Byvseva) 13 February 2022 12: 37
    -1
    You can dream and move around different options as much as you like, mainly from the category of "if only, but how", but, the fact is that Ukraine is already !!! busy, already lost forever. You can’t agree with America, America doesn’t care about your fabrications, this is the only thing you need to understand! But, as they say, dreaming is not harmful.
    1. Opozdavshiy Offline Opozdavshiy
      Opozdavshiy (Sergei) 13 February 2022 16: 26
      0
      Ukraine is a piece of living meat torn from the body of Russia. Outside of Russia, it inevitably rots. The only goal of the investment project "Ukraine is not Russia" is for Russians to kill Russians. Outside of this project, the West, especially the United States, does not need Ukraine categorically. So your fabrications about lost time, to put it mildly, are not adequate.
      The possibility of mutual destruction of Russians by Russians was missed, so what?
      In reality, time was lost in the 80s, early 90s. And not in the 21st century. Here everything was done correctly, unless, of course, the goal is to preserve and restore Russia.
  30. Opozdavshiy Offline Opozdavshiy
    Opozdavshiy (Sergei) 13 February 2022 16: 12
    +2
    The first and mandatory task in Ukraine is denazification, that is, it is necessary to eliminate the ideology and practice of Ukrainianism, as incompatible phenomena with the civilized Russian world. After denazification, you can engage in economic recovery. But not before and not during.
  31. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
    Sapsan136 (Alexander) 13 February 2022 19: 26
    -1
    If the Russian Federation needs anything, it is to return the historical regions of Russia to the Russian Federation, and let the bloomers live as they want and with whom they want. one thought that a dozen Iskanders will fly to Lviv and smash Bandera holes there ... And create another independent republics that will live at the expense of the Russian Federation, and at the same time have the audacity to talk about their independence and make decisions objectionable to the Russian Federation, the Russian Federation is not necessary! !!
  32. Vladimir Petroff (Vladimir Petroff) 13 February 2022 20: 09
    -1
    I didn't even finish reading this crap.
  33. Muscool Offline Muscool
    Muscool (Glory) 14 February 2022 12: 10
    -3
    Secondly, by returning Ukraine, the Russian Defense Ministry will eliminate the absolutely real threat of deploying on its territory American anti-missile and strike systems capable of carrying nuclear warheads. From near Kharkov, a Tomahawk with a nuclear warhead will fly not only to Moscow, but will also reach beyond the Urals.

    And from Estonia or Latvia will not fly?
  34. Muscool Offline Muscool
    Muscool (Glory) 14 February 2022 12: 23
    -3
    And do not throw propaganda cliches in the spirit of what, they say, will have to "feed the sharovars"! Ukraine is a country with great potential and hardworking people. It will feed itself, it will be enough to help with the restoration of economic ties and admission to the domestic Russian market.

    We ourselves would return the economy to a solid footing, and not restore it to Ukrainians. It feels ass that after all these wars for the Russian world, we will roll back to the level of the early 2000s, when not every family can afford a washing machine.