Kinzhal missile strikes could take European countries out of war with Russia


One of the main sensations of recent days has been the transfer to the Kaliningrad region of two MiG-31K fighters equipped with Kinzhal hypersonic cruise missiles. The plane defiantly passed at a low altitude over the railway, allowing everyone to fix the “Putin rockets” on the suspension. This event immediately caused a real stir in the press and the blogosphere, Russian and foreign. What did the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation really want to say with this gesture?


According to Russian media, a week ago, two Mig-31K fighters, converted into carriers of the Kinzhal missiles, flew to the Chernyakhovsk airfield in the Kaliningrad region, accompanied by fighter aircraft. Considering that the range of an air-launched hypersonic missile is at least 2000 kilometers, everyone immediately began to draw a radius from the Russian exclave with a compass, and it turned out that the “Dagger” calmly finishes off to any European capital. What gives it a special piquancy is the fact that a rocket flying at a speed of 10 times faster than the speed of sound is almost impossible to shoot down. In other words, the target on which it is released will be hit with a guarantee close to 100%. If we remember that its warhead can be nuclear, then NATO becomes completely unhappy.

However, Western propaganda also does not eat its bread in vain. In Eastern Europe, some expert assessments have already appeared, according to which the flying "Dagger" may well be shot down by American sea and land-based anti-missile systems. It is also argued that it would be more effective to shoot down not a missile, but the carrier of the Kinzhal itself, the MiG-31K fighter, which is no longer suitable for air combat, and even easier - to preventively destroy these aircraft right on the ground, fortunately, they are in Russian there are only two exclaves.

I would like to comment on these statements and at the same time to suggest what is the real purpose of the transfer of carriers of "Daggers" to the Kaliningrad region.

At first, about the fact that bringing down the "Dagger" will be just a task, this, of course, Western experts got a little excited. The Russian missile is in fact not a cruise missile, but an aeroballistic one. The supersonic MiG-31K, converted from a long-range high-altitude fighter-interceptor, essentially plays the role of the first stage outside the dense layers of the atmosphere, helping to accelerate the missile to a speed of over Mach 10. At the same time, the "Dagger" is also actively maneuvering. Not a single existing missile defense system has yet learned to intercept such air targets. That is, the “Dagger” will definitely hit the target.

Secondly, to shoot down the carrier aircraft of the "Dagger" before its launch, or to completely preventively destroy the military base where the MiG-31K fighters are deployed, the idea, of course, is quite rational, albeit unpleasant. But it will be problematic to implement it in the NATO bloc.

The fact is that the Kaliningrad region has the most powerful layered air defense / missile defense system in the Russian Federation. And no wonder, with such and such difficult neighbors from the North Atlantic Alliance. A preventive strike on Russian air bases in the spirit of June 22, 1941 will definitely not work. And if the MiG-31K performs a combat mission, they will undoubtedly be accompanied by Su-35S fighters, which will cover the helpless in air combat carriers of the "Daggers" from attacks by NATO aircraft.

So, we have dealt with the fact that "Putin's missiles" are already in the Kaliningrad region, from where they may well deliver irresistible strikes on any target in Europe. But for what? And what can only two MiG-31s ​​do, each of which carries only one hypersonic missile on a suspension? What can two point "dagger strikes" really change?

In fact, even two missiles can do something, the main thing is to choose the right targets for them. We must be aware that for the United States, European allies in the NATO bloc are just “expendable material” in the event of a war with Russia. The “hegemon” itself is located far beyond the ocean, and a war in the Old World, with the use of tactical or even strategic nuclear weapons, will suit him perfectly. But it will not suit us in any way, nor the completely healthy forces in Europe, who do not need all this for nothing. So what can two "Daggers" change then?

The extraordinary courage of some of the US Eastern European allies is largely due to the dangerous myth that in the event of a war with Russia, the American missile defense system will cover them, and soon the brave soldiers themselves under the Stars and Stripes will come to the rescue. Anti-missile defense in the Old World consists of only a few positional areas: these are the ground-based Aegis Ashore complexes in the Polish Radzikovo and Romanian Deveselu, the command post of the system in Germany, located at the American airbase in Ramstein, a large US radar base in Turkey, as well as a group of 4 US Navy ships equipped with a sea-based Aegis system off the coast of Spain.

Two hypersonic "Daggers" fired from the territory of the Kaliningrad region can choose to destroy two targets with a guarantee. For example, it can be both Aegis Ashore complexes in Eastern Europe. Or, say, one Aegis Ashore complex and an anti-missile system command post in Germany. Left in the event of a brewing armed conflict without the "umbrella" of the American missile defense at once, many European allies of the United States can send a "hegemon" in the woods and leave him to fight with Russia himself.

In other words, "dagger strikes" can break the unity within the NATO bloc and lead a number of European countries out of the war.
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  1. Siberia55 Offline Siberia55
    Siberia55 (Yuri) 10 February 2022 18: 30
    +15
    One missile is enough for NATO headquarters in Brussels. good
    1. passing by Offline passing by
      passing by (passing by) 10 February 2022 18: 49
      -22
      aim at the representatives of Hungary ... otherwise they have been very pro-Russian lately ...
      1. passing by Offline passing by
        passing by (passing by) 10 February 2022 20: 13
        -10
        Hungary does not need additional protection from the alliance, NATO troops are already deployed on the territory of the country, in the role of which the Hungarian army acts. The security of the republic is ensured by its own armed forces; Budapest did not plan to deploy any additional troops from NATO and does not plan to in the future.

        Szijjarto stressed that Budapest stands for dialogue with Russia, and not for armed confrontation, therefore, it will not agree to the introduction of an additional military contingent into its territory, as the United States had previously proposed, and also opposes the imposition of anti-Russian sanctions.
      2. Sergey Pavlenko Offline Sergey Pavlenko
        Sergey Pavlenko (Sergey Pavlenko) 10 February 2022 20: 43
        +5
        Then it’s better for the Czechs ... otherwise they yapped a lot about explosions in warehouses and all of Russia was blamed for this ...
        1. passing by Offline passing by
          passing by (passing by) 10 February 2022 21: 44
          -10
          and maybe on Ukrainians so as not to bark? No one will fight for you. The Czechs no longer raise the topic of warehouses. The document was allegedly destroyed and the question was removed.
  2. passing by Offline passing by
    passing by (passing by) 10 February 2022 18: 32
    -7
    Germany, which was not going to fight with Russia, after being hit by a Russian "dagger", will send the United States? The Americans are probably now applauding standing... Rather, they will send to Germany all those who are now in favor of normalizing relations with Russia. For the sake of shit in bloomers, launch a preemptive strike on Europe and unleash a war ... brilliant. Interestingly, the author will like it if China launches a missile attack on the Yeltsin Center in Yekaterinburg so that Russian liberals send the United States? I allow Khokhols to downvote. After all, the worse it is in Russia, the more comfortable the Ukrainian feels in his ruin.
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 11 February 2022 07: 23
      +5
      Germany, which was not going to fight with Russia, after being hit by a Russian "dagger", will send the United States?

      The Ramstein base has an extraterritorial status and is a de jure territory of the United States.
      You just don't know what you're writing about, and therefore you give stupid advice.

      Rather, they will send to Germany all those who are now in favor of normalizing relations with Russia. For the sake of shit in bloomers, launch a preemptive strike on Europe and start a war ... brilliant

      And here in bloomers? Do you see Ukrainians everywhere? The article was about the situation of the beginning of the conflict between the Russian Federation and the NATO bloc.
  3. Dimy4 Offline Dimy4
    Dimy4 (Dmitriy) 10 February 2022 18: 54
    +1
    The policeman shot the bandit in the head. What did he mean by this? The bandit had time to think, a moment before the bullet made another hole in him, unforeseen by nature.
  4. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
    Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 10 February 2022 19: 10
    0
    Left in the event of a brewing armed conflict without the "umbrella" of the American missile defense at once, many European allies of the United States can send a "hegemon" in the woods and leave him to fight with Russia himself.

    "They can send" in the imagination of the writer does not mean - "will send" in reality.
    - We are unaware of those trouble-free levers with which the States move figures in Europe and control them.
    - We do not know the extent to which the States control the information that is given to the Western public and politicians.
    - It is difficult for us to predict the reaction of a functionary of a country that has been subjected to our real blow.
    And most importantly, the article does not answer the question: what is the reason for the refusal to influence directly the owner of all this brethren, in favor of forcing this brethren to betray him?
    After all, it will be necessary to force not only countries, but also specific functionaries with their obligations to the States and threats from their side.
    And what to do with the Western media, which belong to the States and form public opinion in these countries at their behest?
    It is naive to think that our "Daggers" will solve all these issues
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 11 February 2022 07: 33
      -2
      And most importantly, the article does not answer the question: what is the reason for the refusal to influence directly the owner of all this brethren, in favor of forcing this brethren to betray him?

      Are you ready for a nuclear war with the US? Really? Do you understand that you and your family are guaranteed to die?
      Ever since Soviet times, we mutually preferred to fight against each other indirectly, on foreign territory. Since then, the Russian Federation has not become stronger, to put it mildly.

      It is naive to think that our "Daggers" will solve all these issues

      Daggers can only solve the issues of targeted destruction of several strategically important targets. This is not a wunderwaffe. The question is what are these goals and where should they be.
      1. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
        Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 11 February 2022 09: 10
        -1
        Are you ready for a nuclear war with the US? Really?

        The threat of nuclear war - prevented this war in the 20th century.
        Forgotten Caribbean Crisis?
        Are you ready to die in a concentration camp with your family?
        Without hope and a future, you will be dismantled into organs and disposed of.
        Pull away from your soft cozy pillow.

        Daggers can only solve the issues of targeted destruction of several strategically important targets. This is not a wunderwaffe. The question is what are these goals and where should they be.

        This is closer to reality. But why in the title and in the article itself

        can take European countries out of the war with Russia

        ? Drink your sweet liquor yourself.
        In order to get out of this situation, we need to be sober.
        1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
          Marzhecki (Sergei) 11 February 2022 11: 56
          -2
          ? Drink your sweet liquor yourself.

          Okay thank you.

          Are you ready to die in a concentration camp with your family?
          Without hope and a future, you will be dismantled into organs and disposed of.
          Pull away from your soft cozy pillow.

          I don't understand why I'm so misunderstood...
      2. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
        gunnerminer (gunner miner) 11 February 2022 10: 54
        -6
        Complex Dagger is a psychological weapon for internal use. The MiG-31 was designed as an interceptor, not as a missile carrier, or as a fighter. It has a huge turning radius, comparable to the SR-71. Approximately 120 km. And with such an overall and heavy ammunition as a missile of the Dagger complex, it will be completely deprived of the efficiency of maneuver. MiG-31K without radar, to make it easier, the crew can fly only during daylight hours, in the simplest weather conditions. Fighter escort is required, guidance is required (missing). On such a tiny patch as the Kalininrad region, a group target is easy to track.
        1. DV tam 25 Offline DV tam 25
          DV tam 25 (DV tam 25) 11 February 2022 15: 50
          +1
          You again showed your unpleasant Ukrainian insides. Everyone knows that a real Ukrainian hates Zhukov, scoffs at the Mig and hysteria in front of Putin. You are in complete agreement on two counts. How do you feel about Zhukov pan gunnerminer?)
          As for the Ukrainian nonsense you cited, as usual, everything, as usual, is Ukrainian nonsense. In this regard, your mention of a "combat turn of 120 km" is very characteristic. This nonsense was first expressed on one of the Ukrainian forums, can you tell me which one?) Well, for the rest, you also have complete stability - stupidity and lies -
          two of your Ukrainian muses).
          1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
            gunnerminer (gunner miner) 11 February 2022 15: 55
            -6
            I respect Marshal Zhukov. Crimea is ours, Russian. green clown. Russia is saved by intelligence officer Putin. I only believe him. His entourage is just doing business selling raw materials.
            Fight Ukrainian nonsense. Good luck!
            1. DV tam 25 Offline DV tam 25
              DV tam 25 (DV tam 25) 12 February 2022 04: 20
              +1
              Forgot to take off the shirt. According to it, you gave yourself out as pan gunnerminer. Get off the rooftops. Until she finally leaves.)
      3. DV tam 25 Offline DV tam 25
        DV tam 25 (DV tam 25) 11 February 2022 10: 56
        0
        If there is no nuclear war, then there is no point in shooting Daggers. The article loses its meaning as ... as an article).
        As for readiness for nuclear war, no one is ready for it. But when it happens (let's hope not), it is necessary that rockets, planes, submarines and those who use them be ready.
        From our side, of course. Because when the hour "H" comes, no one will ask whether he is ready or not. The main thing, if it happened so, that EVERYTHING died!
        Well, it did not work out this time with civilization and the common good.
        Maybe next time it will work. At raccoons. If they survive of course.
        1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
          Marzhecki (Sergei) 11 February 2022 11: 58
          -1
          If there is no nuclear war, then there is no point in shooting Daggers. The article loses its meaning as ... as an article).

          There will be no war when the enemy sees the readiness on our part to actually wage it. Do not pretend readiness, but really lead. This requires a demonstration of readiness.
          1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
            gunnerminer (gunner miner) 11 February 2022 14: 59
            -6
            And how is the readiness of the Russian Armed Forces demonstrated? Convincingly?
    2. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 11 February 2022 12: 28
      -1
      And most importantly, the article does not answer the question: what is the reason for the refusal to influence directly the owner of all this brethren, in favor of forcing this brethren to betray him?

      Both Ramstein and the Aegis missile defense system in Eastern Europe are US military installations. This is a blow to the instigator himself, while at the same time forcing his allies to retreat.
  5. Dear sofa expert. 10 February 2022 19: 11
    +7
    Kinzhal missile strikes could take European countries out of war with Russia

    I believe that in the event (God forbid!!!) of an armed conflict, Russia should initially and defiantly project its entire military initiative exclusively against the United States.
    At the same time, at the same time, appeal to the EU (NATO member) that Russia itself has no claims to Europe itself, and cannot be, and the “showdown” concerns only Russia and the United States.
    One on one, the USA against Russia - zero without a wand! Neither to collect all their 700 military bases (scattered around the world) into a single fist, nor, moreover, to organize the defense of their own territory, they will not be able to. Against Russia - the USA - a cardboard tiger. This war will end with the complete and shameful surrender of the Americans immediately after the first significant losses. This is the fastest way to end this war. (Maybe not even really started)

    And to start inflicting military strikes on the territory of Europe is strategically stupid, to say the least - it's just stupid! It turns out - initially to transfer the theater of operations to European territory. This is to drag the peoples of Europe to the slaughter.
    This is exactly what the Americans are waiting for - to drag the Europeans into an unnecessary war. And it is practically, with their own hands, to take away from the Europeans the real and only opportunity to refuse direct participation in the war (according to § 5 of NATO).

    Better yet, let the diplomats “fight”.
    1. Sergey Pavlenko Offline Sergey Pavlenko
      Sergey Pavlenko (Sergey Pavlenko) 10 February 2022 20: 51
      0
      I fully support! But the geyropa should see the results of strikes against them and they know that our "Daggers" can also launch at them, they will think what and how ... but if anything - disable the first strike from Kaliningrad, the base in England and let the geyropa and looking at that too...
      1. Dear sofa expert. 10 February 2022 20: 55
        +4
        but if anything - disable the first strike from Kaliningrad, bases in England

        Yes, England has historically been in tandem with the US. Zhirinovsky, by the way, “jokingly” suggested: it is significant to wipe out “some island that you don’t feel sorry for ..” In every joke, as they say, there is a share of a joke.)
        1. Sergey Pavlenko Offline Sergey Pavlenko
          Sergey Pavlenko (Sergey Pavlenko) 10 February 2022 20: 58
          +5
          There is always a hidden meaning in all Zhirinovsky's statements, and he is perhaps one of the politicians who, playing the role of a "clown", can say what others are afraid to say, so I always listen to his statements, especially since he knows more than an ordinary man in the street. ..
          1. Dear sofa expert. 10 February 2022 20: 59
            0
            acting as a "jester", can say what others are afraid to say

            Yes, absolutely spot on.
        2. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
          Marzhecki (Sergei) 11 February 2022 07: 47
          -3
          This is just a variation on the theme of using tactical nuclear weapons for escalation in order to de-escalate. Directly provided for in our military doctrine, if anything. Pinpoint knocking out of several elements of the missile defense system is the best demonstration of readiness to fight further in an adult way.
          1. DV tam 25 Offline DV tam 25
            DV tam 25 (DV tam 25) 11 February 2022 11: 06
            -2
            So so variation. Seen here? Item 26. As part of the implementation of measures of strategic deterrence of a forceful nature, the Russian Federation provides for the use of high-precision weapons. And once with trump cards - point 27. The Russian Federation reserves the right to use nuclear weapons in response to the use of nuclear and other types of weapons of mass destruction against it and (or) its allies, as well as in the event of aggression against the Russian Federation with the use of conventional weapons, when the very existence of the state is threatened.
            Well, yes, we banged, they naturally hit us and then the quote: "further in an adult way."
            Well, i.e. Khan to all. And most importantly everything is correct.

            Still, I don't think it's right. Take and share?
            1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
              Marzhecki (Sergei) 11 February 2022 11: 59
              -3
              dsmotreno apparently here? Item 26. As part of the implementation of measures of strategic deterrence of a forceful nature, the Russian Federation provides for the use of high-precision weapons. And once with trump cards - point 27. The Russian Federation reserves the right to use nuclear weapons in response to the use of nuclear and other types of weapons of mass destruction against it and (or) its allies, as well as in the event of aggression against the Russian Federation with the use of conventional weapons, when the very existence of the state is threatened.
              Well, yes, we banged, they naturally hit us and then the quote: "further in an adult way."
              Well, i.e. Khan to all. And most importantly everything is correct.

              You contradict yourself. The dagger is not a nuclear, but a hypersonic weapon.
              1. DV tam 25 Offline DV tam 25
                DV tam 25 (DV tam 25) 11 February 2022 15: 27
                0
                You did not understand. First, high-precision, then nuclear. Everything as you like.
                1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
                  Marzhecki (Sergei) 11 February 2022 15: 29
                  -1
                  Everything as you like.

                  Why did you decide that I love so much? I'm all for world peace.
                  1. DV tam 25 Offline DV tam 25
                    DV tam 25 (DV tam 25) 12 February 2022 04: 24
                    +2
                    It's a joke, don't sweat it. I am also for world peace!
    2. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
      Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 10 February 2022 23: 45
      -7
      Quote: Dear sofa expert.
      This is the fastest way to end this war.

      Oh don't worry. The war with the United States will end very quickly. Day, maximum two and there will be no Russia. At the same time, of course, there will be no United States either, but for some reason this personally does not console me at all.
      1. Dear sofa expert. 11 February 2022 00: 28
        +2
        Oh don't worry. The war with the United States will end very quickly. Day, maximum two and there will be no Russia.

        In the same way that Vietnam, Afghanistan and North were gone. Korea?)
        And anyway, how do you get such confidence?

        At the same time, of course, there will be no United States either, but for some reason this personally does not console me at all.

        In other words, would you be comforted if the United States still remained?
        Here it is - liberal patriotism in all its glory.)
        Or did you not think, blurted out?

        PS And why didn't you like my "idea" that diplomats would "fight" better?)
        1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
          Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 11 February 2022 00: 39
          -8
          Quote: Dear sofa expert.
          And anyway, how do you get such confidence?

          My ideas about the third world are exactly like that, the parties exchange nuclear strikes, destroying all the major cities of each other. What inspires you with your hatred moods is completely incomprehensible.

          Quote: Dear sofa expert.
          In other words, would you be comforted if the United States still remained?

          This is your credo, to talk nonsense? Or do you write first and think later? Read again carefully, think before you write all sorts of nonsense.
          Or did you think that something consoling will be able to help you if Russia disappears?
      2. DV tam 25 Offline DV tam 25
        DV tam 25 (DV tam 25) 11 February 2022 11: 07
        -1
        There will be no one. Nobody at all. That is the way.
    3. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 11 February 2022 07: 31
      -9
      I believe that in the event (God forbid!!!) of an armed conflict, Russia should initially and defiantly project its entire military initiative exclusively against the United States.

      Nonsense. The USA is much stronger than Russia. In the event of a direct collision, nothing will be left of us, although they will also get it.

      And to start inflicting military strikes on the territory of Europe is strategically stupid, to say the least - it's just stupid! It turns out - initially to transfer the theater of operations to European territory. This is to drag the peoples of Europe to the slaughter.

      That is why the United States is setting up Europe as a springboard for a war with Russia, away from itself. In order to avoid a global war, it is necessary to take the European part of NATO out of the war with several tough and targeted strikes, then the United States itself will not fight.
      1. Dear sofa expert. 11 February 2022 09: 04
        +1
        The USA is much stronger than Russia. In the event of a direct collision, nothing will be left of us, although they will also get it.

        Your logic is strange.
        That is, do you think that a direct clash against Europe (NATO member) with the direct participation of the United States is more dangerous than a clash ONLY against the USA?
        You first carefully read what I wrote.

        And at the expense - what will get to whom - this is a separate issue.

        That is why the United States is setting up Europe as a springboard for a war with Russia, away from itself.

        Yes, this is exactly what they want, therefore, if necessary, then you need to try to fight precisely and only - against the United States, trying with all your might not to draw the potential of the Europeans there.
        And all this, already indirectly, while at the level of diplomacy, is being done. The so-called "Putin's ultimatum" was de facto (defiantly) addressed specifically to the Americans in order to emphasize Russia's unwillingness to conflict with its neighbors on the continent.

        In order to avoid a global war, it is necessary to take the European part of NATO out of the war with several tough and targeted strikes, then the United States itself will not fight.

        Whatever there is a global war, it is necessary to make it clear to the Americans that they will fight with them - and only with them. Then their heads will sober up at once.
      2. DV tam 25 Offline DV tam 25
        DV tam 25 (DV tam 25) 11 February 2022 11: 17
        0
        How can you not understand ... The United States will not get it. They will not be as a state, as a nation, as simply a settlement of people. During a global nuclear war, at least under the USSR, the idea was promoted to the broad international masses that there would be NO winners and the very civilization of people. This idea was conveyed to different minds by very smart and serious people - scientists, politicians, actors, after all! Many of them actually saw what a nuclear explosion is. But fears become not terrible over time, especially if they are no longer seen live. The current generation of people has already begun to doubt the ultimate outcome of a nuclear war, and some people with epaulettes on their shoulders have even begun to think about possible victories. And all over the world, apparently, they began to think that maybe they would not reach them if-what? It will reach everyone. The meaning is this - if a nuclear war - "the whole world is in ruins"! Otherwise it can not be. It must be understood that a nuclear war is not a reboot, not a forat, not a clarification of who is cooler. This is the end of the road.
        1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
          Marzhecki (Sergei) 11 February 2022 12: 00
          -2
          How can you not understand ... The United States will not get it. They will not be as a state, as a nation, as simply a settlement of people. During a global nuclear war, at least under the USSR, the idea was promoted to the broad international masses that there would be NO winners and the very civilization of people.

          This you don't understand. The nuclear potential of the Russian Federation is far from the USSR. The United States can easily afford to lose up to 30 million people.
          1. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
            Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 11 February 2022 12: 18
            -1
            The United States can easily afford to lose up to 30 million people.

            You are wrong. What is easy to say and write may not necessarily be possible in reality.
            Think for yourself.
            What must the States and the Western world become in order for these unfortunate 30 million to perish. Who in the States will benefit from this?
            1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
              Marzhecki (Sergei) 11 February 2022 14: 34
              -1
              What must the States and the Western world become for these unfortunate 30 million to perish?

              Read at your leisure https://topwar.ru/177721-jadernaja-illjuzija-zasteklit-protivnika-ne-poluchitsja.html

              Who in the States will benefit from this?

              The ruling elites generally do not care about everyone else from a high mountain, including their own type of compatriots.
              1. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
                Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 11 February 2022 14: 41
                -1
                The ruling elites generally do not care about everyone else from a high mountain, including their own type of compatriots.

                ...but for yourself, your loved ones, your familiar world, comfort, opportunities for recreation and travel, health, your business, your children and grandchildren?
                1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
                  Marzhecki (Sergei) 11 February 2022 14: 43
                  -2
                  These people own TNK. They have a home where it is more convenient for them.
                  1. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
                    Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 11 February 2022 14: 50
                    0
                    That is, in Greenland - next to the NZ?
                    Don't tell me - is that all they are trying to get in return for today's?
                    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
                      Marzhecki (Sergei) 11 February 2022 15: 23
                      -2
                      Alexey, we have moved very far from the original topic of discussion. All I wanted to say in the article: at the beginning of a certain conflict with NATO, several pinpoint strikes can be carried out on American military infrastructure in Europe. This is fully consistent with the concept of escalation for the purpose of de-escalation, only the RF Ministry of Defense intends to use tactical nuclear weapons for this. I pointed out the advisability of using non-nuclear daggers. This will demonstrate the readiness to really fight, and not to imitate readiness, as it is now.
                      That's all. Beat the center of decision making? Is it immediately an ICBM in Washington? Then it's definitely a global nuclear exchange.
                      1. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
                        Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 11 February 2022 15: 57
                        +2
                        You are wrong, Sergey.
                        A strike on facilities in Europe will only be beneficial in a real war with the States, and we still want to avoid it. As a psychological argument, it is ineffective. This is a cowardly attempt to bypass a frontal conflict "on a crooked goat". She demonstrates the fear of a head-on collision with the States, but it should be the other way around.
                        Americans are most afraid not for objects in Europe, but for their home in the States, their loved ones, the inviolability of the very concept of safe living "beyond a puddle." If we want to convince them to retreat - we must not be afraid of a head-on conflict - we must be ready to go for it.
                        Only our determination can still convince the enemy. They must retreat.
                        Otherwise, we will just keep backing to the gates of the concentration camp.
                      2. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
                        Marzhecki (Sergei) 11 February 2022 15: 58
                        -2
                        OK. What would you do? Here, for example, the war is on the threshold. Real.
                        3 real steps from our side?
                      3. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
                        Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 11 February 2022 17: 58
                        +1
                        I already wrote about this.
                        I would try to link all of the following with the joint actions of China. But if it didn’t work out, he would have acted independently.
                        - Would withdraw from the recent statement by the nuclear "five" on the inadmissibility of nuclear war in connection with a direct threat to Russia's security from US troops and bases
                        - I would present a new ultimatum to the States and Great Britain on the delayed start of a nuclear war against them by 3 days, demanding to immediately begin the withdrawal of all troops and weapons from Eastern Europe, with the readiness, in response, to withdraw our weapons from the borders into the interior of the territory
                        - In parallel, I would announce security guarantees to Europe in the event of their neutrality (this does not apply to US bases)
                        - Within 3 days would have made 2-3 nuclear strikes on the test site on Novaya Zemlya
                        - According to the analysis of the situation, during these 3 days, I would add a non-nuclear or nuclear strike on the test site in Nevada
                        - I would be ready, in case of disobedience, after these 3 days, to really start a nuclear war with the States and Great Britain according to one of the operational plans most suitable for this case
                        This is a concept, no technical details
                      4. Sergey Pavlenko Offline Sergey Pavlenko
                        Sergey Pavlenko (Sergey Pavlenko) 14 February 2022 02: 06
                        0
                        No need to focus only on a missile strike ... there are other ways ...
                      5. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
                        Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 14 February 2022 09: 47
                        0
                        No, in the field of strength and universality of psychological impact, this is the only
                      6. Sergey Pavlenko Offline Sergey Pavlenko
                        Sergey Pavlenko (Sergey Pavlenko) 15 February 2022 14: 30
                        0
                        Aleksey, just take it on faith that there are other ways to strike not only with missiles, and the effect will be no less impressive ...
                      7. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
                        Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 15 February 2022 14: 46
                        0
                        For psychological impact, it is not the effect that will be that is important, but the accumulated collective memory of the effect that was, and which EVERYONE knows
                      8. Sergey Pavlenko Offline Sergey Pavlenko
                        Sergey Pavlenko (Sergey Pavlenko) 15 February 2022 14: 47
                        0
                        And the effect will be and will remain in memory for a long time for those who survive ...
                      9. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
                        Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 15 February 2022 15: 12
                        0
                        I meant: For the psychological impact of THREAT....
                        Application is not our real goal
    4. Ksv Offline Ksv
      Ksv (Sergei) 11 February 2022 17: 09
      0
      New Zealand, for example, no one will bomb. Many representatives of the elite of the West have their own possessions there, by the way. Besides, who will ask them to bomb or not to bomb? Maybe among the elite there is an elite? Think about it at your leisure...
  • Ksv Offline Ksv
    Ksv (Sergei) 11 February 2022 17: 10
    0
    The ruling elite have their cockroaches in their heads! We don't know what they really think and what their goals are...
  • Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
    Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 11 February 2022 13: 08
    -5
    This is because of the innate Russophobia USA will donate 30 mil. of its citizens (where do such optimistic figures come from?) and the position of hegemon in the world, if only to destroy the Russian Federation? If they are so crazy, how did they become the hegemon?
  • Avarron Offline Avarron
    Avarron (Sergei) 10 February 2022 19: 19
    +2
    Yeah. To appease Lukashenka, the Poles will blow up a couple of his truckers in Russia. Russia, of course, will say that this is normal.
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  • Binder Offline Binder
    Binder (Miron) 10 February 2022 21: 10
    -10
    Mr. Marzhetsky, as usual, builds his conclusions based on the fact that Russia is going to fight with some Papuans. smile
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 11 February 2022 07: 27
      -5
      Russia is not going to fight anyone at all. He does his best to stop the war.
      1. Binder Offline Binder
        Binder (Miron) 11 February 2022 07: 47
        -12
        Quote: Marzhetsky
        He does his best to stop the war.

        It concentrates troops on the border of a neighboring state, provides comprehensive support to the separatists of Donbass - well, purely good neighborly relations and the desire to live in peace. fool
        1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
          Marzhecki (Sergei) 11 February 2022 07: 50
          +3
          Israel is a "peaceful state": it created nuclear weapons in violation of international law, occupied and annexed the territory of the sovereign state of Syria, carried out air strikes on military facilities of another sovereign state of Iran without declaring war, and killed Iranian citizens on the territory of another state. At the same time, it systematically treats and discriminates against the Palestinian people.
          You should have kept quiet, Israeli clown.
          Russia is just an angel compared to you.
          1. Binder Offline Binder
            Binder (Miron) 11 February 2022 08: 01
            -12
            It's funny. Zero arguments, only a hysterical screech and an attempt to offend the opponent.
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              1. DV tam 25 Offline DV tam 25
                DV tam 25 (DV tam 25) 11 February 2022 15: 22
                +3
                Binduzhnik, mind you, no one insults you. You insult yourself only by lying here and hysteria from ignorance.
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        2. alexneg13 Offline alexneg13
          alexneg13 (Alexander) 11 February 2022 11: 17
          +2
          Crimea you yourself rode
        3. Avarron Offline Avarron
          Avarron (Sergei) 11 February 2022 12: 16
          +2
          Yeah, the United States, Britain, the Arabs, and the same Ukraine and Georgia openly supported the Chechen terrorists purely out of good neighborly relations.
  • Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
    Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 10 February 2022 23: 41
    -6
    Left in the event of an imminent armed conflict without the "umbrella" of the American missile defense at once, many European allies of the United States can send a "hegemon" by the forest and leave him to fight with Russia himself

    What nonsense. Everyone understands that no pro will protect against a massive blow even without any daggers. And a strike on missile defense bases in Europe means, with a strongly non-zero probability, the conflict will escalate into a third and last world war.
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 11 February 2022 07: 26
      -2
      What nonsense. Everyone understands that no pro will protect against a massive blow even without any daggers. And a strike on missile defense bases in Europe means, with a strongly non-zero probability, the conflict will escalate into a third and last world war.

      Russia is not an aggressor and does not need a massive blow to Europe. It is enough to knock out several key objects of the American anti-missile infrastructure pointwise to reason with the Europeans. They don't need it at all.

      Everyone understands that no pro will protect against a massive blow even without any daggers.

      Who understands? The European layman does not understand anything. He's just not interested.
      1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 11 February 2022 20: 57
        -4
        Quote: Marzhetsky
        Russia is not an aggressor and does not need a massive blow to Europe. It is enough to knock out several key objects of the American anti-missile infrastructure pointwise to reason with the Europeans.

        And Europe was going to attack the Russian Federation? Do they have an army? That is, in your opinion, the Europeans were going to attack the Russian Federation like that, but then two missiles of 400 kg of non-nuclear warhead arrive and they are like .. no, we didn’t agree on that. I still think it's nonsense.

        Quote: Marzhetsky
        Who understands? The European layman does not understand anything. He's just not interested.

        Of course, I am glad that you believe in democratic institutions in Europe and the importance of public opinion there. But it seems to me that if a war starts, then the opinion of the layman will not only interest someone, they will not even have time to ask him. By the way, what if there is the same inhabitant as in the Russian Federation (who wants to gasp in London and Washington), he also wants to gasp in Moscow, without thinking about the consequences. Haven't thought about this?
  • Valera75 Offline Valera75
    Valera75 (Valery) 11 February 2022 02: 54
    +3
    Quote: Dear sofa expert.
    And to start inflicting military strikes on the territory of Europe is strategically stupid, to say the least - it's just stupid!

    The author seemed to want to destroy Aegis and nothing more. I think it’s right, just in case, to exclude Europe from rivals and focus on the hegemon
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 11 February 2022 07: 25
      -3
      Quote: Valera75
      The author seemed to want to destroy Aegis and nothing more. I think it’s right, just in case, to exclude Europe from rivals and focus on the hegemon

      Thank you. Demonstration of force, pinpoint, reducing the defensive potential of the NATO bloc in the European part.
      It's just that after this conflict with the hegemon there will be no more if Russia shows its readiness to really fight. Without imitation, as now.
  • Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 11 February 2022 07: 58
    +4
    Quote: Dear sofa expert.
    Zhirinovsky, by the way, “jokingly” suggested: it’s significant to wipe out “some island that you don’t feel sorry for ..”

    I feel sorry for the two "islands", but I am ready to sacrifice both - Great Britain and Japan.
  • Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 11 February 2022 08: 03
    +2
    Quote: Oleg Rambover
    At the same time, of course, there will be no United States either, but for some reason this personally does not console me at all.

    So why are you such a pessimist? Losses will amount to only 40% of the population and 80% of the economy in the US and Russia.
    In 200-300 years only historians will remember this war. Indian, Brazilian, Indonesian and Mexican Historians.
    1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
      Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 11 February 2022 21: 02
      -3
      Quote: Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
      So why are you such a pessimist? Losses will amount to only 40% of the population and 80% of the economy in the US and Russia.

      What are you, an optimist? Where "only 40%" comes from. The economy is primarily about people.

      Quote: Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
      In 200-300 years only historians will remember this war. Indian, Brazilian, Indonesian and Mexican Historians.

      Dadada ... they will remember moving their gills.
  • Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 11 February 2022 08: 10
    +1
    Why all the attention on Europe? There are many great destinations in Japan. Why not show your determination in the East? .
  • zloybond Offline zloybond
    zloybond (steppenwolf) 11 February 2022 08: 48
    +1
    2 fighters - 2 missiles. What's next??? They still need to be lifted into the sky. And then land and reload. This is not yet a club, but only a hint.
  • Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 11 February 2022 10: 17
    -1
    They can, they can't...
    and Khokhly and K will probably be happy.
    Now they can refer to an article that Russia can be attacked and destroyed with daggers something real.
    (how many Miggs with Daggers are there in Kaliningrad now: - 2va?)

    Logically, after such a real blow, politicians will squeal with joy - we warned that everyone will rally, throw money into the military-industrial complex (which Europe did not do for a long time until agents Obama and Trump asked their colleagues from Russia to come up with something to revive the military-industrial complex and the economy)

    And they will happily play these games all together, optimizing budgets.

    And if the daggers are nuclear, then Putin has already promised everyone, as in a movie about 3 musketeers
  • antibi0tikk Offline antibi0tikk
    antibi0tikk (Sergei) 11 February 2022 10: 26
    0
    Eh, I remembered my youth .... Then the toy was popular Warcraft. It was easy to fight with the orcs there, while you wet some, others stand and wait for their unenviable fate .....
    Well, Duc, such a feeling that the local military leaders used this toy as a textbook on tactics and strategy. Like, they will strike at Kaliningrad, and nothing will come from the rest of Russia? Well, yo-my .... Did they look at the map? Or are they just as dumb as Liz Truss? It may well be that after their strike on Kaliningrad, our response will fly in Los Angeles, San Francisco and Okinawa from Vladivostok. Europe and Alaska will not be touched.
  • Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 11 February 2022 11: 33
    +1
    Quote: DV tam 25
    It must be understood that a nuclear war is not a reboot, not a forat, not a clarification of who is cooler. This is the end of the road.

    And besides words, do you have any arguments?

    And do not write about the "nuclear winter". Firstly, this is not the end of the road, and secondly, there are no calculations, no scientific facts that would confirm this hypothesis.

    I don’t understand why, instead of talking about huge human losses, about the fact that civilization will roll back decades, they begin to carry near-religious nonsense "about the end of the road."
    1. Mikhail Novikov Offline Mikhail Novikov
      Mikhail Novikov (Mikhail Novikov) April 20 2022 09: 33
      0
      Expert, are you from Ukraine or what? From what corridor "expertise"? What do you have besides words? Have you heard anything about Hiroshima and Nagasaki, or do they not write about it in Ukrainian textbooks?
  • shiva Offline shiva
    shiva (Ivan) 11 February 2022 11: 51
    -2
    One such "dagger carrier" (guardian of the galaxy, Japanese mother) rolled out over the runway a month ago and its front part came off. One less. Two were transferred to Kaliningrad. Everything, no more? Wunderwaffle swinging cool, but the imbecile wins with a club. Professional clinical with one gyrus, trained only to kill. F-35 is a club for wild bucks. What can two prodigies do against a couple of hundred clubs, half of which may break, the rest of the pilots do not have diapers, it is expensive and time consuming to train an imbecile, but 50 of them will definitely take off when training like pushing buttons succeeds?
    2 against 50... Watching Musketeers with Boyarsky...
  • beeper Offline beeper
    beeper 11 February 2022 14: 23
    0
    The most reasonable thing, as long as there is no hot war, is for the Russian non-bourgeois rulers not to "take on the show off" their insolent Western "partners", "a nightmare with red lines" and "rattling irresistible weapons", but to try to organize and to establish life in Russia itself (generously endowed with natural wealth, industrious population and resources) in such a way that the power of the country is based not only on "Daggers", "Poseidons", "Peresvets", the resumed production of the Tu-160M ​​and other, very small- piece, "wunderwaffe" ?!
    So that, looking at the developing and getting richer Russian Federation, at the growth in the well-being of ALL (and not just a handful of nouveaux riches-"grabbers" with servants) of its inhabitants, all the countries of Europe and Asia, and all the post-Soviet "independent republics", they would envy themselves and stuff themselves into friends-allies, not thinking about creating any conflict prerequisites and hints of their disloyalty to Russia and its citizens?! winked
    After all, now all this "invulnerable Russian military power", the theatrical "red-line" efforts of the Kremlin "tricks" (with vulnerable "alternate airfields and bookmarks" in the West?!), began to look even more decorative and "cartoonish" than before!
    Alas, it hurts me, a Russian person, to see how our common Russian Fatherland, the stronghold of our multinational Russian World, having a huge all-round Potential for advanced development, is mediocrely losing its international positions one by one and, which has become a bad "tradition" even under Gorbachevism, by the victim policy of "concerns (and toothless "last warnings")" turned into a sort of, in fact (deeds, not "big words") unrequited, "whipping boy", who is "kicked" with impunity (if it goes on like this, incited by Washington and London, all together "kick" Putin's swaggering Kremlin to the same slavish obedience that the "comrades" had under EBN) "everyone and sundry (the American puppet authorities of Poland, Ukraine and the Tribaltic Vymyrats obsequiously consider this their first vassal duty to the overseas overlord and zealously perform)!
    1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 11 February 2022 14: 56
      -6
      So that, looking at the developing and getting richer Russian Federation, at the growth in the well-being of ALL (and not just a handful of nouveaux riches-"grabbers" with servants) of its inhabitants, all the countries of Europe and Asia, and all the post-Soviet "independent republics", they would envy themselves and stuff themselves into friends-allies, not thinking about creating any conflict prerequisites and hints of their disloyalty to Russia and its citizens?!

      This is the most difficult, economically costly, politically dangerous path. Now a simpler path has been chosen.
    2. Ksv Offline Ksv
      Ksv (Sergei) 11 February 2022 17: 20
      +3
      Because no one needs a strong Russia, don't you understand that? Do you really think that if Putin and Co. had the task of making Russia truly great and powerful, they would not have coped? I think they have more than enough brains for this, just give free rein to our people and Russia would become twice as rich in 3 years. There is simply no such task!
      All these wars in quotation marks are just a distraction, the elites are just fighting among themselves
  • Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 11 February 2022 14: 45
    -1
    Quote: pishchak
    So that, looking at the developing and getting richer Russian Federation, at the growth in the well-being of ALL (and not just a handful of nouveaux riches-"grabbers" with servants) of its inhabitants, all the countries of Europe and Asia, and all the post-Soviet "independent republics", they would envy themselves and stuff themselves into friends-allies, not thinking about creating any conflict prerequisites and hints of their disloyalty to Russia and its citizens?!

    Yes, this is the real way to survive and win.
    1. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
      Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 12 February 2022 12: 44
      0
      This is the path to life, full-blooded, happy, wonderful. It's great to build and create!
      But.
      We TODAY need to win in the confrontation with the external enemy. TOMORROW remove everything inside that stands in the way of this life.
      Then the DAY AFTER TOMORROW we will begin this long-awaited life
  • Evgeny Babakov Offline Evgeny Babakov
    Evgeny Babakov (Evgeny Babakov) 11 February 2022 16: 07
    -1
    I am not greedy! A couple more MiG - 31 in Kaliningrad !!!
  • Woland Gott Offline Woland Gott
    Woland Gott (Woland Gott) 11 February 2022 22: 04
    +1
    Just two planes? And how much noise...
  • MilaSH Offline MilaSH
    MilaSH (Mila Smely) 11 February 2022 23: 14
    +1
    they would rather decide to destroy the military base where the MiG-31K fighters are deployed than Russia decide to destroy their base. Unfortunately
  • Ulysses Offline Ulysses
    Ulysses (Alexey) 12 February 2022 17: 50
    +2
    The plane defiantly passed at a low altitude over the railway, allowing everyone to fix the “Putin rockets” on the suspension.

    The author apparently does not know that the approach to the Chkalovsky airfield passes exactly over the railway track of the Svetlogorsk direction.
    Moreover, this is almost a runway and aircraft pass at an altitude of 200-300 meters. laughing
  • Alexey Maksimov_3 (Alexey Maximov) 13 February 2022 12: 43
    0
    From the airport to the Polish border 30 km in a straight line. The plane will only roll out for takeoff, everyone will already know about this. It has long been written that 30 M270 MLRS will be enough to destroy the Kaliningrad region. Which will hammer on the area from six points. It will all take about 2 minutes.
  • Anchonsha Offline Anchonsha
    Anchonsha (Anchonsha) 21 February 2022 12: 58
    0
    Yes, in Europe, you must first turn off the air defense and missile defense and communications, and the devil will begin there. This is for the daggers. US installations in Romania and Poland will destroy our planes. And the national armies of Europeans will remain at home.
  • Mikhail Novikov Offline Mikhail Novikov
    Mikhail Novikov (Mikhail Novikov) April 20 2022 09: 29
    0
    The trouble is that in Europe, defense ministries are headed by illiterate gynecologists and cleaners, for whom a high-explosive bomb or an atomic bomb is all the same, just a reason to impose new sanctions against Russia.