How Putin can avoid the imposed war in Ukraine


Epigraph: "Be realistic! Strive for the impossible!” (Che Guevara)


I have no doubt that the events of late 2021 - early 2022, which we are now witnessing, just like the Caribbean crisis 60 years ago, will fall into the history books. I doubt only the title. Well, let it be called "Ukrainian crisis". The only difference between it and the Caribbean is that 60 years ago all the events unfolded in real life, Soviet diesel submarines surfaced right in front of the US ship warrant that blocked the path of Soviet dry cargo ships, following with incomprehensible cargo to Cuba, although we all know that in the holds "Aleksandrovsk", "Artemievsk", "Nikolaev", "Dubna" and "Divnogorsk" R-14 missiles and warheads for them were stockpiled, and on the upper decks were our servicemen dressed in civilian uniforms with skis (I'm not kidding about skis at all , masquerade for cover). Back then, in the fall of 1962, the world was dangling a step away from thermonuclear war, and now the whole war is taking place only on the pages of American and European newspapers and in electronic gadgets of an American and European layman unprepared for this, snickering and swollen from covid.

But when all three American Boeing E-4 Doomsday jets take to the air, and the US nuclear forces are put on high alert, and President Joe Biden orders the deployment of elite units of the US Rapid Deployment Forces to Europe, you realize that virtual games have gone too far. And it’s not that we were very afraid of the paratroopers of the 82nd All-American, the “screaming eagles” of the 101st transport and assault divisions of the Airborne Forces and the “heavenly dragons” of the 18th Airborne Corps, as well as the “iron horses” of the 4th Infantry US divisions airlifted to Europe from military bases in Colorado, North. Carolina and Kentucky, these unfortunate 8 American Rangers won’t make any difference here, but an unprepared European and American layman can be brought to the highest degree of exaltation, it’s not even an hour, they will start leaving the windows of their houses from the upper floors without the help of an elevator, shouting “The Russians are coming ! Save yourself, who can!

Analyzing in past In the text of the Kremlin’s response, I suggested that the marker for us here would be its reaction to the responses from Washington and Brussels to the ultimatum presented to the “partners”. In passing on his replies to Moscow, Washington urged them not to be published. Then I suggested that if the Kremlin nevertheless publishes them, then the proposed agreement between Washington and Moscow is nothing more than a figment of our fantasies, which means that the Kremlin’s “A” plan - a peaceful resolution of the Russian-American confrontation can be crossed out and concentrated on the plan " B" - forceful coercion of the United States to peace. I did not consider other options, considering them unviable, the implementation of plan "B" could only be canceled by the implementation of plan "A". The trigger for him could be the fulfillment of the Minsk agreements by Kiev, which Washington should have forced him to do and which I didn’t particularly believe in (although, what the hell is not kidding?).

After the first since 26 negotiations in the Normandy format between the authorized representatives of the Russian Federation and Ukraine, which took place on January 2019, head of the Ukrainian delegation Andriy Yermak, head of the Office of the President of Ukraine, asked Dmitry Kozak, deputy head of the Presidential Administration of the Russian Federation, head of the Russian delegation, two weeks for reflection. The deadline expires on February 10, after which the Kremlin’s hands will be free and it will be able to start implementing its plan “B”, which we all look forward to (although I can’t say the same about the West, it is overwhelmed by completely different feelings). Washington could easily and unobtrusively interrupt such plans of the Kremlin with its plan “C”, unleashing full-scale databases in the Donbass and blaming Moscow for this with all the ensuing consequences (sanctions, embargo, iron curtain). At the same time, Washington has already prepared everything for this, accusing Moscow in advance of fabricating fake video documents of the invasion of the Armed Forces of Ukraine into the territory of the LDNR, with “bodies” and “wounded” prepared in advance. And go then, prove that you are not a camel.

But things didn't go the way we expected. We were guided by the marker of the publication of the US response by the Kremlin. If it publishes, plan “B” is activated, if it is not published, we are waiting for the implementation of plan “A”. But none of us could have imagined that the US response would be merged into the Spanish "El País" by the Ukrainian side. No brainer that this could not happen without a team from Washington. And now let's think about why he did it, when he himself insisted on the non-publicity of the materials. To prove to the whole world that he did not make concessions to Moscow, how did he put himself on the brink of confrontation with the Kremlin, thereby pushing him towards rapprochement with China? As for me, this is a rather stupid decision. In terms of recklessness, it can compete only with crossing a freeway in the wrong place, the chances of crossing to the opposite side asymptotically tend to zero. I don't think everyone in Washington is a clinical idiot. What then?

You will, of course, laugh, but nothing else comes to my mind how to explain this by an attempt to provide Moscow with material evidence confirming that the version of the copy of the answer transmitted to it differs from the version transmitted to Kiev. In the Moscow version, there is a closed part, where Washington stupidly leaks its Eastern European "friends" under the pressure of the Kremlin's undeniable arguments, and it is precisely this part that cannot be published. This means that we hurried to bury the agreement envisaged by plan "A". Then everything that we have observed so far was nothing more than an information cover operation, and from the American side, so that Grandpa Joe would not be kicked by his own voters for leaking his former Eastern European "partners", who had not yet forgiven him for the Afghan fiasco . We, unlike grandfather Joe, have nothing to hide, we play openly, as Putin loves, the cards are dealt, opened, we checked who has the highest suit. We have! Shave, please! And if you don’t want to shave, then if you please plan “B” - peace enforcement, and by what means, Biden can only guess. Putin's significant silence on this issue regarding measures of a military nature leads Grandpa Joe exclusively to sad thoughts. But it’s still too early for us to rejoice, we are waiting for February 10, the second marker - how the Norman epic will end, (Kiev in this case plays for us, it doesn’t smile at all to fight with the best army in Europe, Zelensky can, of course, be a clown, but not a suicide) .

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Caption: "You can get far more with a kind word and a Colt than with a kind word alone" (Al Capone)


Now I would like to dwell separately on the US response. It would seem that the goal of the ultimatum has been achieved - we offered them our initially impossible conditions (non-expansion of NATO to the east, non-deployment of medium-range and shorter-range strike weapons reaching the territory of the Russian Federation near our borders, and NATO rolling back to the borders of 1997), they rolled out their demands that are already impossible for us (the withdrawal of our troops from Ukraine, Moldova and Georgia, apparently referring to the Crimea, Transnistria and Abkhazia with South Ossetia). It's time to choose a middle ground - neither you nor us, after all, this is the goal of any negotiations (to present initially inflated demands, in order to then move out to a compromise option). Moreover, in their response, they offer us such a compromise option - the resumption of negotiations on the INF Treaty, the restriction of military exercises near our borders, up to the withdrawal of them to distances that suit us, the establishment of maximum allowable distances for the approach of our military air and naval vessels , as well as the possibility of inspecting any (optional) military facilities for the placement of offensive strike weapons there. Well, what's a bad option? It's just a candy, not an offer! Transparency and openness in action. And we haven’t even started bargaining with them yet, and they are already offering us to remove our main irritant, which Putin spoke about, explaining how easily and quickly it is possible to transform the missile defense system for Tomahawk medium-range cruise missiles (with a radius of destruction 2,5 thousand km). That's it, no more medium-range missiles on the nearest approaches to us! Problem solved! Victory! By the way, it is these missiles that are the second point in the imperative requirements of our security indicated by Ryabkov, which we pushed them.

But do not rush to rejoice, good gentlemen. The devil, as they say, is in the details. Americans would not be Americans if, under the guise of benefactors, they did not try to foist a stale topic on us. The whole point is that their excellent proposal to resume negotiations on intermediate-range and shorter-range missiles has a slight refinement - including new types of weapons. Those. they offer us to reduce their obsolete "Tomahawks" in exchange for the reduction of our newest "Caliber" and "Zircons". Do they take us for idiots? Sell ​​your promising, not yet embodied in metal Development of by hypersound on already serial samplesentering our troops (we are talking about Zircon and its ground-based version). By the way, it was under such conditions that Gorbachev once cut our promising medium-range Pioneers in exchange for their obsolete Pershings. It was worse than a crime - it was a mistake! But Putin is not Gorbachev, he does not suffer from dementia! In addition, they also furnish all this with the withdrawal of our peacekeepers from Transnistria, Abkhazia and South. Ossetia (I’m even silent about Crimea already - this topic is not discussed, it is closed once and for all!).

To make it clearer, I will repeat once again - they are offering us: withdraw your troops from Georgia, Moldova and Ukraine, and in return we will allow you to reduce your weapons, in which you are superior to us. It's strange why we didn't agree? Sick, probably. And after that, you still ask me why Grandpa Biden went to negotiations with us? And that’s why he went because he can’t sleep when he knows that Russia can put him, the hegemon, in the position of “sic” and demand the fulfillment of any conditions, while playing with the 45-caliber Colt. “Zircons”, “Vanguards”, “Sarmatians”, “Daggers” and others - I gave you a list of these Putin toys with all their performance characteristics for a reason - Putin is not bluffing at all, and the funny thing is that Biden knows this.

After all, this is exactly how, from top to bottom, playing with their aircraft carrier strike groups, the States still talked to everyone who did not come out with a caliber. But everything flows, everything changes, and now we can bend them from a position of strength into a “squash” position, and if you don’t like it, then also move your muzzle on the parquet. But the liberal tearful under-mattress public doubts this. “What, is Putin really going to carry? - they ask, - And the hand will not tremble? I answer: “Do not flinch! Will!". To which they shrillly object to me: “A maniac, a satrap, and this at a time when we already don’t have enough money for oil, he spends our last people’s money on guns and planes.” The under-mattress public, measuring everything by the thickness of the oil layer, does not understand the main thing - there will be no guns and there will be no oil left, everything will be taken away by the kind-hearted man Grandpa Joe. The people who do not want to feed their own army will feed someone else's (who does not believe, look at Europe, which the States have in all positions, and whoever does not like it, they promise to turn off the gas, look at Ukraine patching the last lace panties - the dream of idiots has come true! ).

Operation under a false flag


In the meantime, the degree of tension in society has reached its climax. Everyone is waiting for the war. Exclusively in Ukraine. And the aggressor is already known, appointed in advance. Do you know him. Such is se la vie - who owns the media, he owns the world. The first time we encountered this was in 2008, during the war on 08.08.08, when the shelling of the peaceful quarters of Tskhinvali by Georgian troops was clearly passed off by the Western media as the shelling of Russian troops and, go there, figure out who really fired. Sergei Mikheev said that Russian propagandists were not at all ready for this at that time and even threw up their hands, how to prove that you are not a camel? The Western man in the street is still fully convinced that the villain Putin unleashed that war, although Dmitry Medvedev was the president at that time. Thank God that the chatty tie-eater Mishiko himself told the whole world that it was he who attacked Tskhinval. But then again, who knows? Most European and American inhabitants, consumers of this low-grade liquor, still live in full confidence that Putin attacks defenseless countries exclusively and purposefully during the Olympic Games. In 2008, Georgia became its victim, six years later, this fate overtook Ukraine. And now he prepared himself in a jump to Kiev under the guise of the 24th Winter Olympic Games that started in Beijing. Maniac, what to take from him?!

In advance, information is thrown into society that the Russians are preparing a provocation, ahead of time making video materials confirming the bloody consequences of the invasion of the Armed Forces of Ukraine into the Donbass, with a demonstration of mountains of “corpses” and “wounded”. The Mosfilm corporation headed by Karen Shakhnazarov is working, Calambia Pictures is resting. After that, you can start any military campaign, the layman already knows in advance who is to blame. If this is all thermal rockets to get Grandpa Joe out of the blow for draining Ukraine, then this is already overkill.

Maybe the White House has also taken care of this, since its talking head Jen Psaki has already taken her words about the inevitability of Russia's attack on Ukraine back, stating at the next briefing that the White House can no longer say so, since it really does not know the Kremlin's plans. Psaki explained that the wording about the "imminent" invasion was interpreted as if the US authorities knew that Putin had decided to "invade" Ukraine.

I would say that in the vast majority of cases, when I spoke about it, we meant: "He can invade at any time." It's true; we still don't know if he made a decision.

The White House seems to be pulling back, lowering the tension. Although I do not rule out the difficulties of translation. The fact is that in English the terms "impending" threat and "imminent" threat sound the same. The White House used this term in the context of a possible, approaching threat of attack, and bad illiterate translators translated it as inevitable (inevitable), what to take from them, mediocrity, let them learn the dictionary.

Meanwhile, Zelensky, having enlisted the support of the Turkish Sultan, dreams of sitting at the negotiating table with Putin, but at the same time he does not take into account the main thing - Putin does not negotiate with pianists, not on his level. Let me remind you that Sergei Lavrov, head of the Russian Foreign Ministry, called Zelensky a pianist. For the pianist Zelensky, in order to negotiate at the level of top officials, it’s not a bad idea to finish at least a music school first.

Nobody wanted war, war was inevitable


Now, finally, about Moscow's plans and its possible response to Washington's plans to draw the Russian Federation into a war with its southern neighbor. Now I may say a paradoxical thing, but the last thing I expect is a war in Ukraine. With its tantrums in the media and the evacuation of embassies, the West has achieved only one thing, irreconcilable opponents - Moscow and Kiev were on the same side of the barricades, both do not want war, and therefore we have to negotiate. Even Kozak, who had previously said that he had nothing to talk about with Kiev, sat down at the same table with Yermak and discussed something with him for 8 whole hours. If this was Washington's plan, but to be fair, it is truly brilliant.

I do not rule out, of course, that a war could start there as a result of a provocation from the Ukrainian side, but I can guarantee you that Zelensky will not be behind it. He is far from being a suicide and does not suffer from self-mutilation mania either. And if we assume that plan “A” is working, and Biden, by secret agreement with Putin, is pushing Kiev to implement Minsk-2 with the subsequent reformatting of Ukraine, at least, into a country neutral in relation to the Russian Federation (such a Finnishization plan of the 404th) , then the disruption of this plan into a military scenario with the inevitable involvement of the Russian Federation in it may be the result of the game of some third forces behind Biden, most likely having a London or supranational residence permit. Then, of course, Plan C will come into play, with all the inevitable consequences for the Kremlin. I don’t think that they didn’t calculate this option for the development of the plot, and if the State Department has 18 options for the US response to the Russian invasion of Ukraine, then the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces, then, should have 19 plans for responding to these 18 options for Washington. I think there is a plan of action even for the invasion of the Martians on our planet, otherwise it will not be the General Staff, but a sharashka office. It is clear that the decision, in the end, is made by the Commander-in-Chief, but Gerasimov should keep in his safe the most detailed plans of our counter-actions for all possible actions of the enemy. And the concentration of our naval forces in the NPM, where an unprecedented grouping of the Navy has been assembled in the entire post-Soviet history, led by the flagships of two fleets of the Russian Federation at once, the Varyag missile cruisers (the flagship of the Pacific Fleet), Marshal Ustinov (the second ship after the flagship of the Northern Fleet) and " Moscow" (the flagship of the Black Sea Fleet), not counting the escort ships, among which there are carriers of "Zircons" and "Caliber" - this is our warning to the United States against possible reckless actions in this region by the aircraft carrier "Harry Truman" hanging around there with ships of the escort order.

Another side effect of all this hysteria deployed in the Western media is the psychological burnout of the electorate, which has already been overfed with all this swill. When every day you are shouted from every iron and refrigerator about the Russian military threat of an attack on defenseless Ukraine, you get tired of it very quickly and involuntarily begin to wonder: “Why, in general, do I need this Ukraine? Where is she and where am I? Why are we so obsessed with her, anyway? We've been carrying this suitcase without a handle for years now. Is she really what we need? Yes, let Putin already take it for himself, maybe he will overstrain, if only he doesn’t touch us! Indeed, half of Americans do not even know where this Ukraine is located. For them, it is part of Russia. Maybe she is in Siberia or in general beyond the Arctic Circle? Vaughn, Psaki recently pleased, promising to bring a US aircraft carrier to the shores of Belarus. She is not aware that the Republic of Belarus has no shores, it is an exclusively inland country. Could sustaining media hysteria without real action be part of Grandpa Joe's cunning plan? Any psychiatrist will tell you that epilepsy is very tiring, you need a quick effect. After some time, tension develops into overstrain, after which fatigue inevitably sets in, then apathy and a desire to get rid of the irritant.

I think that the desired effect has already been achieved in three months. 98% of Americans and Europeans are already dreaming of forgetting about Ukraine, like a bad dream. Biden has everything ready to implement Plan A. As, in fact, for the implementation of plan "C". And what he will choose, we will know in 10-12 days. You won't have to wait long. The marker will be the fulfillment or non-fulfillment by Kiev of the Minsk agreements. If it does, then we will destroy the Kiev regime from the inside, bringing our Trojan horse there in the person of the LDNR. If it doesn’t, we will recognize the LDNR and we will think about what to do next with this brazen mezheumochny regime. Take my word for it, Moscow still has a bunch of tools to rein in these idiots without resorting to force of arms. If the gun hung all these 8 years and did not fire, then either the old Chekhov does not understand anything about dramaturgy, or it is not a gun at all, but a dummy. We will see it in 10-12 days.

In the following text I will tell you how Putin can achieve his goal without firing a shot, as a result of which Ukraine will fall at his feet, like a free application, no one is going to fight for it, there are so many mentally disabled victims of the TV that we cannot digest such “happiness” never, exclusively self-healing under the influence of the realization of one's own uselessness to anyone and the futility of one's existence in the anti-Russia regime. This pseudo-state must itself come to an understanding of this.
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  1. alexneg13 Offline alexneg13
    alexneg13 (Alexander) 8 February 2022 18: 57
    0
    It is clear that nothing is clear yet ... One thing is only in sight - it is not yet evening. If only there was no sunset manually.
    1. Moray Boreas Offline Moray Boreas
      Moray Boreas (Morey Borey) 9 February 2022 04: 10
      0
      Well said!
  2. tulip Offline tulip
    tulip 8 February 2022 18: 58
    +1
    don't wait until it falls. There is no need to fight either - you need to completely isolate Ukraine from the markets of Russia and Belarus and from supplies from us. Russia should simply introduce complete isolation for a year - pay Belarus so that it does not trade with Ukraine, pay Ukraine for transit but not carry out transit and completely block all channels. Many from Ukraine laugh that they say Russia has long promised that Ukraine will freeze, but there is nothing. Well, that's right, how can Ukraine freeze? Ukraine is still feeding from Russia, Russia is still sponsoring Ukraine, paradoxical as it may seem ... We need to introduce a complete blockade for a year. That's when the Maidans will begin there and walk the field that will finish off Ukraine
    1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
      Volkonsky (Vladimir) 8 February 2022 23: 37
      +3
      their tanks are refueled with Russian and Belarusian solarium, I’m already silent about the flow of e / energy from the Republic of Belarus and coal and oil from the Russian Federation
  3. gorskova.ir Offline gorskova.ir
    gorskova.ir (Irina Gorskova) 8 February 2022 19: 37
    -4
    I remember Biden's phrase that they (the United States) will not now introduce their "democracy" by military means. And I believe him. Why is it for them? He threw his extra ones to Europe (to supposedly protect this Europe). And the role of novice "implementers" was given to obedient, feeding from his hand. Ukraine, Poland .... Germany is now being processed through Scholz ... How will this work out? Do not know. Only now it would not be a sin for them to remember Putin's phrase that they will hit the decision-making centers.
    1. Moray Boreas Offline Moray Boreas
      Moray Boreas (Morey Borey) 9 February 2022 04: 12
      -6
      And I remember Putin's phrase: ".... while I am president, we will not raise the retirement age ..."))))
      1. Moray Boreas Offline Moray Boreas
        Moray Boreas (Morey Borey) 9 February 2022 04: 18
        -5
        it was not the age that had to be raised, but the efficiency of public administration, the optimization of the "pension fund - the kingdom over old age" and the efficiency of the economy. And our rulers simply do not know how ...
        1. Vladimir501 Offline Vladimir501
          Vladimir501 (Vladimir) 9 February 2022 20: 08
          +2
          Taxi driver or barber?
        2. Sergey stalker Offline Sergey stalker
          Sergey stalker (Sergey Romanchenko) 13 February 2022 10: 41
          0
          You probably think that bloggers will fill the pension fund. Now only two people work for one pensioner. Before there were five. So with what money to raise pensions for pensioners? Where is the money, Zin?
  4. consultant Offline consultant
    consultant (Vladimir) 8 February 2022 19: 57
    +3
    Quote: alexneg13
    ...– who owns the media, he owns the world. The first time we encountered this was in 2008, during the war on 08.08.08, when the shelling of the peaceful quarters of Tskhinvali by Georgian troops was clearly passed off by the Western media as the shelling of Russian troops and, go there, figure out who really fired. Sergei Mikheev said that Russian propagandists were not at all ready for this at that time and even spread their hands, how to prove that you are not a camel?...

    It seems that the first time this happened much earlier - during the first Chechen war, then the information war was blown clean, trying to timidly justify itself to all sorts of scum and the West, although blood was already flowing in stormy streams through no fault of ours.
  5. isofat Offline isofat
    isofat (isofat) 8 February 2022 20: 09
    -2
    To destroy the population of Ukraine, they decided to use such technology as a civil war. The citizens themselves do not want to fight. It turns out that with the cleansing of the territory, Zelensky, Poroshenko, Kolomoisky ... have a problem.
  6. Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
    Michael1950 (Michael) 8 February 2022 22: 43
    -7
    How Putin can avoid the imposed war in Ukraine

    1. isofat Offline isofat
      isofat (isofat) 9 February 2022 00: 44
      0
      Vladimir Vladimirovich said that we are not satisfied with the new world, where there will be no Russia.

      Apparently, the actions of Russia, which the general is talking about, are due to the fact that the "West" did not heed our words.

      The general misjudged what was happening in the country and the world. That's all. The beginning of the war does not depend on us, it has already begun and they do not want to stop. Alas.

      PS I have already expressed my opinion in another thread. Sorry for the repetition, if you suddenly read.
    2. Charisma Offline Charisma
      Charisma 9 February 2022 05: 57
      -1
      The general served under Yeltsin, right? Well, "serious dude". He has a really large and specific "experience of communication" with NATO. In due time ... ugh, God forgive me ...
  7. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 8 February 2022 22: 59
    -3
    And next to it is an article: "withdrawal of the US Navy headquarters ship" says that real boys do not believe in war, but they are fighting unemployment in the media by all means ...
  8. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
    Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 8 February 2022 23: 00
    0
    As there:

    A politician should be able to predict what will happen tomorrow, in a week, in a month, and in a year. And then explain why this did not happen.

    It looks like the author has already begun to explain why this did not happen.
    1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
      Volkonsky (Vladimir) 8 February 2022 23: 45
      +2
      and what it, uncle? even you don't know! aerobatics achieve your goal without firing a shot! in the threat of the use of force, the very threat of the use of force is more terrible than its use, because it is unknown. No one knows what Putin will do, and this is where its effectiveness lies. We have not done anything yet, and the States have already made concessions. But we can do it! Let's just face it then.
      1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 9 February 2022 10: 32
        -4
        Quote: Volkonsky
        what is it, uncle? even you don't know!

        Judging by subtle signs, you are somewhat older than me.

        You, purely in my personal opinion, have a very naive idea of ​​the negotiation process in diplomacy. In your words, it looks like this:
        Putin meets with Biden and begin to get their arguments out of wide trousers. And they look like, yeah, your "Zircon" is longer, so it will be ours. The next time they meet, lay out their arguments, yeah, you have a thicker "Tomahawk" means to be your way.

        It seems to me that it's a bit more complicated.
        1. Fourth Offline Fourth
          Fourth (Fourth) 9 February 2022 11: 55
          0
          It looks like this from your words, uncle. You just think your article does not impress.
          1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
            Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 9 February 2022 15: 51
            -2
            How glad I am that out of hundreds of comments on this site, you have chosen mine to share your invaluable opinion about it.
            1. Fourth Offline Fourth
              Fourth (Fourth) 10 February 2022 14: 16
              0
              Other commentators do not lie as masterly as you.
              1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 10 February 2022 14: 47
                -3
                Either you give an example where I'm lying and prove it, or you are a liar.
                1. Fourth Offline Fourth
                  Fourth (Fourth) 11 February 2022 17: 30
                  +2
                  Can the distributor of fakes about Putin's palace be considered a deceiver?
                  1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                    Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 11 February 2022 21: 26
                    -4
                    For what purpose are you interested? If you prove that this is a fake, and even the distributor knew about it, then no doubt. But I think this question rather lies in the plane of faith. Some people believe in it, some don't. There is no concrete evidence for any of the points of view.
                    1. Fourth Offline Fourth
                      Fourth (Fourth) 11 February 2022 22: 31
                      +1
                      The goal is obvious, to show readers how you lie masterfully. You yourself wanted it, I fulfilled your request. Now start to dodge, as you know how. smile
                      1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 11 February 2022 22: 33
                        -3
                        That is, not one example of my lies, and even more so, you could not refute it.
                      2. Fourth Offline Fourth
                        Fourth (Fourth) 11 February 2022 22: 40
                        +1
                        I'm not the only one who thinks you're a liar. I can quote. smile You can think whatever you want about me, I don't take offense at deceivers.
                      3. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 11 February 2022 22: 55
                        -4
                        Quote: Fourth
                        I'm not the only one who thinks you're a liar.

                        A strange person from the Pskov region with the nickname isofat, who is following me throughout the forum, although he has been ignored for a long time? You have chosen the right company for yourself.
                        You just proved that you are not responsible for your words. They showed their readers their inconsistency as a polemicist.
                        Do you think it matters to me what all sorts of liars say here?
                      4. Fourth Offline Fourth
                        Fourth (Fourth) 11 February 2022 23: 08
                        +1
                        Take care of yourself, nothing bad has happened to you. Next time, try not to lie, and I will try to forget your tantrum today.

                        I don't belong to any groups and I suspect that isofat is a good person.
                      5. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 11 February 2022 23: 26
                        -3
                        Am I hysterical? Hmm... Where did you get it?
                        Unlike you, I never lie. And you are a liar. What did you successfully demonstrate today.
                      6. Fourth Offline Fourth
                        Fourth (Fourth) 11 February 2022 23: 41
                        0
                        Quote: Oleg Rambover
                        Unlike you, I never lie.

                        You have earned your own reputation. Who forced you now, at this very moment, to deceive? Apparently you have already become a habit. There are no people who never lie!

                        Sorry, you've run out of credit for my time.
                      7. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 11 February 2022 23: 57
                        -4
                        You didn’t catch me, but I caught you in a lie, and you are doing something else for me.
                      8. Fourth Offline Fourth
                        Fourth (Fourth) 13 February 2022 20: 20
                        0
                        Quote: Oleg Rambover
                        Unlike you, I never lie.

                        Liar, there are no people who never lie!
          2. Sergey stalker Offline Sergey stalker
            Sergey stalker (Sergey Romanchenko) 13 February 2022 10: 55
            0
            If you do not know the truth for sure, then there is no need to spread rumors!
  • Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
    Volkonsky (Vladimir) 9 February 2022 12: 03
    +1
    one feels a great diplomatic experience ... apparently, he personally stood behind Putin's back ...
    1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
      Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 9 February 2022 15: 47
      -3
      Of course not. It just seems that the length of the Zircons did not impress anyone.
      Nuclear weapons are so destructive, their use is so catastrophic, that all parties understand that no one will use them. Negotiations, in my understanding, are primarily bargaining, and not competition, who has better missiles.
      1. Vladimir501 Offline Vladimir501
        Vladimir501 (Vladimir) 9 February 2022 20: 15
        +1
        A kind word and a gun will do much more than just one kind word! Capone.
        1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
          Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 9 February 2022 20: 24
          -4
          The problem is that the opposite side also has a gun.
  • Moray Boreas Offline Moray Boreas
    Moray Boreas (Morey Borey) 9 February 2022 04: 10
    0
    Great article! Agree, thank God it inspires a certain optimism. I don’t want war so much ... and so that it doesn’t happen, as they say, we all must be fully prepared for it! When the enemy understands that the other side is completely ready for war, and in the event of hostilities, it will be bad for everyone so that no dollars, oil, windmills, solar panels and gold with uranium will be needed by anyone ... and when he understands that from such a war, the day after tomorrow it will lie in ruins in parts ... of course, this sobers and stops the enemy. But this is only in the case when the enemy is able to think critically, analyze and predict. Anglo-Saxon liberalism lately does not own critical thinking. There, the power of the oligarchs, in fear of losing financial power over the World, has turned into degenerates: upstarts, dilettantes, mediocrity and adventurers... And this can provoke option C.
  • Moray Boreas Offline Moray Boreas
    Moray Boreas (Morey Borey) 9 February 2022 04: 35
    -2
    Liked.
  • Charisma Offline Charisma
    Charisma 9 February 2022 05: 59
    0
    Optimistic. But I am not sure that it was Ukraine that leaked the documents to the Spanish press...
    1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
      Volkonsky (Vladimir) 9 February 2022 08: 22
      0
      who? Russia itself through the Kiev correspondent of "Al Pais"? what about the meaning? and what is there in this answer to include a plan "B?" there is another option - the States themselves leaked to include their plan "C" or even better - the cunning Britons leaked in order to unleash a war in Ukraine with proxy hands and seize the states of Europe that are falling apart under the inevitable sanctions.

      Madam, I am more and more inclined to think that there was and is no plan "A", and all the fuss goes only for plan "C" - to unleash a massacre in Ukraine and lower the Russian Federation, and with it snickering Europe, into the Middle Ages. The fact that Ukraine itself will sink into the Stone Age, finally, no one in the States and London cares, the operation is called the abduction of Europe. The fact that the flagship of the 6th Fleet of the US Navy, the command ship Mount Whitney, leaked from the SPM, says toko that the balls of the GDP turned out to be stronger and the war may end with maneuvers. But you and I were mistaken, the States managed to impose their game on the Russian Federation and now the direction of the main blow is the 404th. Plan A failed. Amen!
      1. Charisma Offline Charisma
        Charisma 9 February 2022 10: 23
        -2
        I initially believed that we were only waiting for a refusal to our ultimatum. Well, that is, option A, that NATO and the United States will happily run to negotiate and merge, was not taken into account at all on the agenda.
        I'm almost sure that our Ministry of Foreign Affairs leaked the text, they say, look, gentlemen, at NATO's response (it was published just for the sake of it), they have no brain. We are deliberately aggravating the situation, while this has led to a complete "split" in the EU. We are still stubbornly not "occupying" Ukraine, although in fact we are ready for this at any moment. Right now we are ready. I still think that we will not "go there" if Zelensky is smart enough not to repeat Saakashvili's mistakes. Europe is rushing about and "shuttle" around the world with terrible force, trying to somehow stop its economic armageddon. I do not think that Biden and Putin have agreed on everything and that a "cover operation" is underway. While I am watching how the already very frail "EU unity" has been finally shaken. And this is the NATO bloc as well. The United States is suspiciously quiet, apparently sorting out 18 possible answers. Although the speech about the Kuriles disappointed me - it was too clumsy, no subtlety. An English clown was released onto the stage with a farewell tour.
        There was no point in Ukraine at all to "leak" the text of proposals, no profit. It was interesting to do this only in Russia or the USA (for various reasons).
        The Mediterranean Sea and the coast of Syria still became a "point of tension." Technically, our grouping can generally block the passage of "extra players" to the Black Sea (it seems to me that I am not strong in naval strategies). And even more so, it is guaranteed not to let you "shoot" in that direction.
        I get the impression that Borrell is now dangling like a flower in an ice hole, in splendid isolation, and the leaders of European countries are beginning to act according to their own understanding. Turkey generally "fell out of the EU cage" and is poorly managed, but rather unmanageable at all. Israel (not a NATO member, but a reliable US ally) pretends to be on another planet. The Arab world is watching the blockbuster with interest, sitting tightly as the fifth point on hydrocarbons. At the moment, the maximum political harm has been inflicted precisely on the NATO bloc, as on an organization acting as a "united front". If in the end the United States will have only the most devoted allies in the form of the Baltic countries and the insane English crown, it will be interesting. Even in Poland, I’m not very sure anymore, I’ll be bubbly and remember that the milk on the stove ran away. Canada is not up to Ukraine now, they cannot find a prime minister there.
        In my opinion, everything is going according to our plan so far, however, this is an "online strategy" game mode - and the situation can change in different directions.
        1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
          Volkonsky (Vladimir) 9 February 2022 11: 58
          0
          I initially believed that we were only waiting for a refusal to our ultimatum. Well, that is, option A, that NATO and the United States will happily run to negotiate and merge, was not taken into account at all on the agenda.

          I have a plan B

          There was no point in Ukraine at all to "leak" the text of proposals, no profit. It was interesting to do this only in Russia or the USA (for various reasons).

          leaked through the Ukrainian correspondent of "Al Pais", and there is great influence of Britain, so most likely the Britons leaked to speed up the war

          The Mediterranean Sea and the coast of Syria still became a "point of tension." Technically, our grouping can generally block the passage of "extra players" to the Black Sea (it seems to me that I am not strong in naval strategies). And even more so, it is guaranteed not to let you "shoot" in that direction.

          maybe, but it doesn’t make sense, the entire Black Sea is shot through by coastal Bastions and Balls, through and through, and an aircraft carrier cannot pass through the straits, so most likely, in the NPM they just have an air base for striking at the territory of Ukraine, our aircraft carrier-killer missile cruisers for brain sobering

          Of the other theses, I do not agree only with Turkey, the Sultan works in conjunction with London, MI6 director Richard Moore is his best friend since 1998, when he was the mayor of Istanbul, and he was the envoy of the British crown in Turkey (he worked in his main specialty, but under a diplomatic roof). Right now we are witnessing the collapse of the EU and NATO, but it went on without our participation, we just added gasoline. In principle, the battle for Ukraine is an integral part of the battle for Europe, the Yankees, the Germans, the Britons and the Chinese are fighting for it, but for us our southern underbelly is more important, for the rest it’s just a bargaining chip
          1. Charisma Offline Charisma
            Charisma 9 February 2022 12: 14
            0
            The British and Turkey are too tough for this piece of the pie. No matter how they puffed up.
            Topping up gasoline in time is also an art. "A spark will ignite a flame" (c)
      2. Moray Boreas Offline Moray Boreas
        Moray Boreas (Morey Borey) 9 February 2022 14: 09
        -2
        Volodya, it's not evening yet.
  • Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 9 February 2022 08: 10
    0
    In the following text, I will tell you how Putin can achieve his goal without firing a shot, as a result of which Ukraine will fall at his feet.

    Yes, we have already learned what Putin will do if the ultimatum is rejected. Briefly, in just a dozen articles, the author explained this to us. Now we are waiting for the Cossack to consult. This is who decides everything. Not the USA, not NATO, not Putin, but Kozak and K.
    And yes, the Russian Federation will not let the process chatter. Within five, maximum ten years, the answer to the ultimatum must be given. Otherwise, we will show them all! Yes, yes - let's do something terrible. Nobody knows what, but we'll do it. NATO and the United States will be terribly sorry and will offer to hold new negotiations. Another victory!!!

    If it doesn’t, we will recognize the LDNR and we will think about what to do next with this brazen mezheumochny regime.

    Hooray!!! It turns out it's time to think about what to do with the Bandera regime. How quickly our politicians figured it out. And they even thought about recognizing the republics.
    As for the recognition of the republics and further actions of the Russian Federation, I wrote in a comment to the last article. Apparently the author saw the meaning in what I wrote. But for now, he still hopes for a peaceful scenario.
    That is, he hopes that it will be possible to write about another victory without achieving any of the goals of the ultimatum.
    1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
      Volkonsky (Vladimir) 9 February 2022 09: 28
      0
      comrade A predictor (for me, this is something between an astrologer and a charlatan), who has obvious problems with the perception of printed text (apparently there is no block in the head responsible for processing the received signal, otherwise it is difficult to explain the accusations that none of the conditions of the ultimatum was achieved in the time when the Yankees agreed to fulfill the 2nd point of our demands without even haggling), and so, comrade. Analyst-Charlatan, I advise you to look here at this link -
      https://topcor.ru/7515-uhod-putina-kak-ne-dopustit-kraha-vneshnej-politiki-rossii.html,
      then pay attention to the date of the text, and at the end to its author, then take a pistol (at least a toy one) and shoot yourself, and no longer feel sick here with your prophecies and forecasts, since Globa does not read us, and the Hydrometeorological Center is located on the floor above.

      Your expectations are your problems. I do not make forecasts, I analyze the facts and draw conclusions based on their totality. At the same time, I do not make secrets on the basis of which I came to such conclusions (therefore, the narrative may drag on, the main thing is to bring a coherent evidence base, and the reader himself will draw the conclusions), unlike charlatans, for whom the main thing is to guess the end result, while on the basis of which such conclusions are a secret. For these gentlemen, I will remind you that even a standing clock shows the correct time 2 times a day. And what?

      You don't need to answer. You no longer exist for me. Complete ignore! Then, at your leisure, consider your cons.
      1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 9 February 2022 09: 43
        -1
        Why such hysteria?
  • Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 9 February 2022 09: 54
    -1
    the cards were dealt, opened, checked who had the higher suit. We have! Shave, please!

    Lucky Gambler.

    One day the Gambler decided that he did not have enough money. The problem is solvable.
    He came to a sports club, took out cards and demanded those present to collect a hundred thousand rubles for him. For the reason that they are not his rivals. When asked why they were not rivals, the Gambler said that the trump cards were diamonds, and he had six aces of diamonds. The partners did not agree. They are chess players. They offered to play a game of chess. The winner will receive 10 rubles from the loser.
    The Gambler didn't have that kind of money. He didn't even know how to play chess. Therefore, the Gambler was offended and went out. Thinking about what the wrong trump card announced. I had to pick clubs.
    Here the attentive reader will ask why then the Gambler is lucky. Yes, because he could go to the boxing gym.

    Hint: The gambler is not Putin, but someone who interprets his actions in a primitive way.
    1. isofat Offline isofat
      isofat (isofat) 9 February 2022 10: 11
      +1
      Visit no more boxers. For your health drinks
      1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 9 February 2022 10: 21
        0
        Quote: isofat
        Visit no more boxers. For your health

        If it's for me, then I'm a boxer myself. Former, of course.
        Because the cards in the ring do not impress me. Trumps do not dance there, even aces.
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  • Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 9 February 2022 10: 29
    0
    It's time to choose the golden mean - neither you nor us, this is the goal of any negotiations

    As long as it is. They refuse to comply with our demands, we will not comply with their requirements.
    Internet rumors that we have already won are somewhat premature. There are no signed documents, there is only chatter and speculation around this chatter. However, some already give out the negotiations themselves as a victory. They say they used to send, but now they don’t. Progress. Russia is already cooler than Mozambique.
  • Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 9 February 2022 12: 08
    0
    The Chinese military department threatened the United States to take the necessary measures if Washington does not stop supporting Taiwan with military supplies. What the measures will be, Wu Qian did not explain.

    Something that reminds me wink

    How Washington will react to this statement is still unknown, but earlier the United States ignored all warnings from China, continuing to supply arms to Taiwan. True, at the same time, the Americans claim that they support Beijing's position on a "united China"

    And this also happened somewhere. winked
  • Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
    Michael1950 (Michael) 9 February 2022 12: 54
    -10
    Quote: isofat
    Vladimir Vladimirovich said that we are not satisfied with the new world, where there will be no Russia.

    Apparently, the actions of Russia, which the general is talking about, are due to the fact that the "West" did not heed our words.

    The general misjudged what was happening in the country and the world. That's all. The beginning of the war does not depend on us, it has already begun and they do not want to stop. Alas.

    PS I have already expressed my opinion in another thread. Sorry for the repetition, if you suddenly read.

    How did Russia in 1996 "swear on the Koran", in the presence of witnesses, to observe the territorial integrity of Ukraine if Ukraine gives it nuclear weapons?! wink lol
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 9 February 2022 13: 03
      +5
      Whereas Russia in 1996 "sworn on the Koran", in the presence of witnesses, to observe the territorial integrity of Ukraine if Ukraine gives it nuclear weapons?! wink lol

      It's funny to read condemning comments from Israel, which has hacked off the Golan from Syria and secretly built a nuclear arsenal. smile
    2. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 9 February 2022 13: 07
      -3
      Oh, I can imagine what they promised Yeltsin (in the presence of witnesses) about the future Ukraine.
      Surely they swore that the Russians and Ukrainians were brothers. But they began to build "Ukraine for Ukrainians" almost immediately after the declaration of independence.

      About nuclear weapons. It seems like there were not two sides, but many more. Why don't you bark towards the USA? Europe? A? Children of a female dog!
    3. 123 Offline 123
      123 (123) 9 February 2022 20: 26
      +1
      - Did Ukraine attack Russia in 2014 and chop off Crimea and Donbass from Russia?! Whereas Russia in 1996 "sworn on the Koran", in the presence of witnesses, to observe the territorial integrity of Ukraine if Ukraine gives it nuclear weapons?!

      Do not be shy, come to the Crimea and Donbass and preach there that they were chopped off. If you want with the Koran, if you want with the Torah at the ready, read lectures.
  • Gjurg Yavlev Offline Gjurg Yavlev
    Gjurg Yavlev (Gjurg Yavlev) 9 February 2022 12: 56
    +1
    Again, the States are trying to organize a military confrontation away from themselves. Their slogan: Let the Chinese fight among themselves, let the Slavs fight among themselves; and the States will cut dividends. But everything is simple: you need to beat not the performers, but the organizers; and not even to beat, but to destroy.
  • Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 9 February 2022 13: 02
    -3
    Quote: Gjurg Yavlev
    But everything is simple: you need to beat not the performers, but the organizers; and not even to beat, but to destroy.

    Simplicity is worse than theft (c)
  • Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
    Michael1950 (Michael) 9 February 2022 13: 05
    -11
    Quote: Volkonsky
    and what it, uncle? even you don't know! aerobatics achieve your goal without firing a shot! in the threat of the use of force, the very threat of the use of force is more terrible than its use, because it is unknown. No one knows what Putin will do, and this is where its effectiveness lies. We have not done anything yet, and the States have already made concessions. But we can do it! Let's just face it then.

    - And such a joke looms that Zelensky does not sit down to sign the Minsk agreements, which Poroshenko waved. So Putin will have to send troops to Ukraine, and at least something else to grab from her. And then it’s somehow awkward - the whole planet is looking at him, Comrade Xi Jinping winks, pushes him under the elbow: "Come on, come on!"...
    Despite the opinion of most political scientists, I stubbornly believe that the final decision - to attack Ukraine or not to attack - is made in Beijing by Comrade Xi Jinping and his advisers. Not Putin. Therefore, all these rantings: “This is not profitable for Russia”, “this is suicide for Russia”, “for Russia, a big war in Ukraine is a path to the abyss and to the collapse of the state”, - all these absolutely fair conclusions have no meaning.
    Tov. Xi Jinping wins in any case: Russia will succeed in capturing the planned part of Ukraine - that's fine, anyway, it will be further isolated and under an even tighter "cap" from China - Russia will not succeed in capturing the planned part of Ukraine, the losses will be too great and the damage is unacceptable - China is also well again: a seriously wounded Russia will become even more pliable, even more accessible to any Chinese harassment.
    If Russia does not move its troops, I will be terribly surprised!
  • Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
    Michael1950 (Michael) 9 February 2022 13: 18
    -9
    Quote: Volkonsky
    who? Russia itself through the Kiev correspondent of "Al Pais"? what about the meaning? and what is there in this answer to include a plan "B?" there is another option - the States themselves leaked to include their plan "C" or even better - the cunning Britons leaked in order to unleash a war in Ukraine with proxy hands and seize the states of Europe that are falling apart under the inevitable sanctions.

    Madam, I am more and more inclined to think that there was and is no plan "A", and all the fuss goes only for plan "C" - to unleash a massacre in Ukraine and lower the Russian Federation, and with it snickering Europe, into the Middle Ages.

    - I do not understand: Is it the United States that gave Russia an ultimatum, or vice versa?? And why will the BR flight time from Ukraine be less than from the Baltic countries, for example? Whereas the US and NATO are ready to sign the agreement on medium-range missiles with pleasure, and no one is trying to roll them up to the borders of Russia What else is needed? .
  • Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 9 February 2022 13: 19
    0
    Quote: Michael1950
    Despite the opinion of most political scientists, I stubbornly believe that the final decision - to attack Ukraine or not to attack - is made in Beijing by Comrade Xi Jinping and his advisers. Not Putin.

    You can safely make such statements. No one will ever be able to either refute or confirm what you have written. Well, what you stubbornly consider - it certainly gives weight to your words. The whole world is arguing with him, and he is against everyone!! am
  • Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
    Michael1950 (Michael) 9 February 2022 13: 24
    -11
    Quote: Marzhetsky
    Whereas Russia in 1996 "sworn on the Koran", in the presence of witnesses, to observe the territorial integrity of Ukraine if Ukraine gives it nuclear weapons?! wink lol

    It's funny to read condemning comments from Israel, which has hacked off the Golan from Syria and secretly built a nuclear arsenal. smile

    - It couldn't be more amusing, especially in case of complete ignorance of history: immediately after the declaration of Israel's independence (according to the UN decision), a whole bunch of Arab states attacked it with the aim of DESTRUCTION. And Syria is one of them, one of the main ones.

    https://eleven.co.il/state-of-israel/history-of-state/10953/
    In 1967, the United Arab Republic (Egypt + Syria) were preparing to attack Israel (but got hit in the face).
    In 1973, Egypt, Syria, Iraq and a number of Arab states attacked Israel (but again got hit in the face).
    Should Syria ever pay for all this?! Or not?!
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 12 February 2022 12: 43
      -2
      So-so justification of annexation and occupation. hi
  • Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
    Michael1950 (Michael) 9 February 2022 13: 29
    -9
    Quote: Gjurg Yavlev
    Again, the States are trying to organize a military confrontation away from themselves. Their slogan: Let the Chinese fight among themselves, let the Slavs fight among themselves; and the States will cut dividends. But everything is simple: you need to beat not the performers, but the organizers; and not even to beat, but to destroy.

    - So who announced an ultimatum to whom: the USA - Russia, or Russia - the USA?! Who put a categorical condition on whom: "If you don't fulfill our demands, we will bomb Voronezh!"? WHO??
  • Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
    Michael1950 (Michael) 9 February 2022 14: 13
    -6
    Quote from Charisma
    I initially thought that we were only waiting for a refusal to our ultimatum.

    - Naturally, there can be only one answer to such an "ultimatum" - negative.

    Well, that is, option A, that NATO and the United States will happily run to negotiate and merge, was not taken into account at all on the agenda.

    - 146%. Putin needed a reason to invade Ukraine, hence this "ultimatum" - just information support for upcoming hostilities.

    I'm almost sure that our Ministry of Foreign Affairs leaked the text, they say, look, gentlemen, at NATO's response (it was published just for the sake of it), they have no brain.

    - Very possible. Moreover, there are a lot of opponents of Russia's suicidal intervention in Ukraine.

    We are deliberately aggravating the situation, while this has led to a complete "split" in the EU.

    - And the EU doesn't give a damn about Ukraine. They would not be very upset if Putin captured her ALL.

    We are still stubbornly not "occupying" Ukraine, although in fact we are ready for this at any moment. Right now we are ready.

    - The costs of this action will be fucking! [ (Sorry my french)

    I still think that we will not "go there" if Zelensky is smart enough not to repeat Saakashvili's mistakes.

    - Xi Jinping orders - Russia will go. Do not order - will not go. Zelensky is generally "out of business" here ...

    Europe is rushing about and "shuttle" around the world with terrible force, trying to somehow stop its economic armageddon.

    - ?? And from what sources did you take the rates of economic development of European countries for 2019, for 2020, for 2021?

    I do not think that Biden and Putin have agreed on everything and that a "cover operation" is underway.

    - Biden is playing for time, but Putin has no time. At all.

    While I am watching how the already very frail "EU unity" has been finally shaken. And this is the NATO bloc as well.

    - So what?? Is the ground on fire under their feet? Who told you that they do not sleep well at night because of this?

    The United States is suspiciously quiet, apparently sorting out 18 possible answers.

    - The US is playing for time.

    Although the speech about the Kuriles disappointed me - it was too clumsy, no subtlety. An English clown was released onto the stage with a farewell tour.

    - The Kuriles, except for the Japanese, do not bother anyone at all.

    The Mediterranean Sea and the coast of Syria still became a "point of tension."

    - There is no tension there. Someone to stress.

    Technically, our grouping can generally block the passage of "extra players" to the Black Sea (it seems to me that I am not strong in naval strategies).

    - The flares are cracked, however... laughing lol

    And even more so, it is guaranteed not to let you "shoot" in that direction.

    - WHAT and HOW?! wink (Oh, those "girlish dreams"!)
    1. alexneg13 Offline alexneg13
      alexneg13 (Alexander) 9 February 2022 20: 50
      0
      Who besides you reads your opuses? The opinion of a petty Israeli is of little concern here. I don’t even want to put a minus, I didn’t even deserve such a trifle. "Chill out Vasya!"
  • VlaPutinDimir Offline VlaPutinDimir
    VlaPutinDimir (Vasya) 9 February 2022 15: 50
    0
    Quote: isofat
    PS I already spoke my opinion earlier, in another topic. Sorry for the repetition, if you suddenly read.

    And this opinion is the ultimate truth?
    Does anyone need it? Important?
  • VlaPutinDimir Offline VlaPutinDimir
    VlaPutinDimir (Vasya) 9 February 2022 15: 52
    -1
    Quote: Michael1950
    and Putin has no time. At all

    Are you talking about those two flowers that fell in 2020 at the laying ceremony?
  • Siegfried Offline Siegfried
    Siegfried (Gennady) 9 February 2022 16: 57
    0
    if you imagine the impossible, where Zelensky suddenly found in himself a magical (high-quality Colombian) strength and courage to become a historical figure who brought peace to Ukraine, resolved a crisis of a galactic scale, which was the beginning of the revival of Ukraine through mutually beneficial cooperation with the West and Russia at the same time, in short - courage implement the Minsk agreements, the question immediately arises of the practical implementation of this need. How, in practice, can he push through all this? Terbaty (national battalions) are being armed in the country, units with experience and motivation have already been deployed (Azov, the right sector, etc.). All of them are ready to prevent the implementation of the Minsk agreements by force. It is difficult to say how things are in the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The SBU and the National Security and Defense Council are apparently against Minsk (it is understandable, they are fed by the oligarchs). The entire corrupt elite is against Minsk, because stealing will be more difficult. Well, the kings of this elite, of course, are the oligarchs. Who then can ensure the implementation of the Minsk agreements in Ukraine?

    Ukrainians, citizens of Ukraine who want peace, development and prosperity for Ukraine, instead of war, degradation and further impoverishment of the population - this is the resource for the implementation of the Minsk agreements. The will of the people is a force that can change everything. But she needs to be given a reason to act. The reason for this may be the president's tough course to implement Minsk with total opposition to this course by everyone and everything.
    Zelensky, when implementing the Minsk agreements, must first of all act confidently and firmly. To run into a piglet in such a way that, squealing plaintively, he quickly understands what the situation really is (the fact that the piglet threatens to gather a "rebellion" is nonsense, who will quickly scatter for money). Zelensky’s confidence in the implementation of the Minsk agreements quickly accumulates those forces in the same SBU and Armed Forces of Ukraine who see Minsk as a way of revival for Ukraine. But the main support will be the support of the people. Opponents will squeal very loudly (media), but do not forget that they are in the vast minority. And when the economy begins to grow rapidly and recover, dissent will dissipate like morning mist.
  • Igor Pavlovich Offline Igor Pavlovich
    Igor Pavlovich (Igor Pavlovich) 9 February 2022 20: 16
    -3
    In the next text I will

    - no need, it’s better to calculate the previous minuses and do something else ...
    1. alexneg13 Offline alexneg13
      alexneg13 (Alexander) 9 February 2022 20: 52
      -1
      Consider the first minus for you. I like your self-criticism.
  • Vladimir501 Offline Vladimir501
    Vladimir501 (Vladimir) 9 February 2022 20: 26
    -1
    You just need to announce that he agrees with one of the announced deadlines and so as not to upset those who wish and thirsty. It seems that for a couple of years it will be possible to keep them in this state, well, or for a period until the strategic supply of diapers runs out.
  • Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
    Michael1950 (Michael) 9 February 2022 22: 12
    -4
    Quote: Siegfried
    if you imagine the impossible, where Zelensky suddenly found in himself a magical (high-quality Colombian) strength and courage to become a historical figure who brought peace to Ukraine, resolved a crisis of a galactic scale, which was the beginning of the revival of Ukraine through mutually beneficial cooperation with the West and Russia at the same time, in short - courage implement the Minsk agreements, the question immediately arises of the practical implementation of this need. How, in practice, can he push through all this? Terbaty (national battalions) are being armed in the country, units with experience and motivation have already been deployed (Azov, the right sector, etc.). All of them are ready to prevent the implementation of the Minsk agreements by force. It is difficult to say how things are in the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The SBU and the National Security and Defense Council are apparently against Minsk (it is understandable, they are fed by the oligarchs). The entire corrupt elite is against Minsk, because stealing will be more difficult. Well, the kings of this elite, of course, are the oligarchs. Who then can ensure the implementation of the Minsk agreements in Ukraine?

    - No way. Neither the people of Ukraine nor the leadership of Ukraine need the "Minsk agreements" at all, they are categorically harmful to them. The most useful thing for the people of Ukraine and the leadership of Ukraine would be to give complete freedom to the DNR and LNR. And stop idle talk about the "return of Crimea". But the leadership of Ukraine does not come close to such a level of responsibility.

    Ukrainians, citizens of Ukraine who want peace, development and prosperity for Ukraine, instead of war, degradation and further impoverishment of the population - this is the resource for the implementation of the Minsk agreements.

    - There are few fools, ready to go under the external control of Russia, - namely, this will follow after the "implementation of the" Minsk agreements "".

    The will of the people is a force that can change everything. But she needs to be given a reason to act. The reason for this may be the president's tough course to implement Minsk with total opposition to this course by everyone and everything.

    - The overwhelming majority of the people of Ukraine are categorically against the "Minsk agreements".

    Zelensky, when implementing the Minsk agreements, must first of all act confidently and firmly.

    - If Zelensky tries to take a step in this direction, he will be swept away. Instantly.
    1. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
      Volkonsky (Vladimir) 9 February 2022 23: 11
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      uncle, where are you from? there is no need to crucify here for the whole people of Ukraine
  • Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
    Michael1950 (Michael) 10 February 2022 05: 06
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    Quote: Volkonsky
    uncle, where are you from? there is no need to crucify here for the whole people of Ukraine

    - Come on! You are crucifying yourself for the fact that everyone in Russia is so fucked up that they are eager to fight for this Jewish (once) Odessa ... laughing lol What do they need from this "Privoz" and Deribasovskaya?! wink
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  • Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
    Michael1950 (Michael) 10 February 2022 05: 36
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    Quote: Siegfried
    ... Zelensky's confidence in the implementation of the Minsk agreements quickly accumulates those forces in the same SBU and Armed Forces of Ukraine, which see Minsk as a way of revival for Ukraine. But the main support will be the support of the people. Opponents will squeal very loudly (media), but do not forget that they are in the vast minority. And when the economy begins to grow rapidly and recover, dissent will dissipate like morning mist.

    1st error: that the majority of citizens of Ukraine (even ethnic Russians) dream of merging with Russia in ecstasy. This is stupid nonsense. Even Skabeeva never claims this.
    2st error: that Russia, permeated with corruption and mired in it to the very ears, which could not make the overwhelming majority of its citizens rich and happy, will suddenly begin to make the citizens of Ukraine rich and happy, why would anyone believe this? This is nonsense.
    3rd error: "Ukraine's economy will begin rapid growth and recovery" - Russia has negligible economic growth rates, here is the GDP growth for the three years before the start of the COVID-19 pandemic:
    https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/countries/russia/#economy
    Real GDP growth rate
    1.34% (2019est.)
    2.54% (2018est.)
    1.83% (2017est.)
    For comparison, this is giant China - but also gigantic GDP growth rates:
    https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/countries/china/#economy
    Real GDP growth rate
    6.14% (2019est.)
    6.75% (2018est.)
    6.92% (2017est.)
    So stop lying to yourself and people...
  • oberon2000oberon (Evgeny Tikhonov) 10 February 2022 12: 17
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    If dill is trampled on the Donbass, then there is no way to avoid it. The only way out will be to exterminate the swarming horde as quickly as possible.
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  • Avarron Online Avarron
    Avarron (Sergei) 13 February 2022 22: 34
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    I wonder what can prevent Putin from laying out the denunciation of the Belovezhskaya Accords, which was carried out by the State Duma back in 1996, as a trump card?
    In fact, the Belovezhskaya agreements have no legal force, in the face of a referendum on the preservation of the USSR, they are insignificant, and therefore the restoration of the territorial integrity of the USSR is an internal affair of the USSR.