Technology, weapons and the market: What Russia can get from China

Against the backdrop of the demonstrative rapprochement between the positions of Beijing and Moscow on key issues of the world order and the security system, it is customary to talk about some kind of union of our countries. In the Western media, one can find publications on the topic that Russia and China, having united, “heap on everyone”. Needless to say, that the domestic jingoistic patriotic party adheres to a similar point of view? But is such an alliance between Russia and China really needed, and if not, what is the real alternative?

If you call a spade a spade, then a military alliance is more beneficial for the Kremlin in order to be able to use the “we are with China” argument in negotiations with the United States and the NATO bloc. Unfortunately or fortunately, but Beijing's position on this issue is to evade any direct obligations of a military-political nature to Moscow, which has quarreled with the entire collective West. We must be aware that there will be no military alliance between Russia and China in the traditional sense. Joint political declarations, military exercises, lend-lease - this, please, with pleasure, but there will definitely not be any mutual assistance treaties and Chinese aircraft carriers in the Baltic. Then what is possible?

For a correct answer to this question, it is necessary to be guided by the principles of pragmatism and sufficiency. What does China need from Russia?

Some Technology in the aviation and space industry, which we have left from the Soviet backlog. Some high-tech weapons, like elements of the early warning system, which you can’t just copy. Experience and competencies of Rosatom in the construction of new power units for Chinese nuclear power plants. Russian gas to diversify the risks of interruption of supplies through Central Asia and the Strait of Malacca, as well as other natural resources at a reasonable price. Like, that's all. And then what should Russia take from China, which is facing the threat of losing its hydrocarbon market in Europe in the medium term due to its “decarbonization” program and falling under a high-tech embargo from the United States and its allies?

Technological donation

A huge problem for the modern Russian Federation is the deindustrialization and collapse of the Soviet education system. In the development of technology, we are decades behind the Western countries, the scientific and production base is in a systemic crisis. It is impossible to copy or create something of your own from scratch due to the action of “patent umbrellas”. Young people prefer to go to study as managers and lawyers, intelligent techies go abroad, where they are provided with high salaries and an opportunity for self-realization.

If there were an embargo on the sale of products with American patented technologies to Russia today, we would face big problems. With all the desire, it will be simply impossible to replace all this in some adequate time frame. Domestic liberals mockingly tell us that without the West, the country will definitely get “kirdyk”, therefore we must submit, forget about ambitions and integrate into international production chains where they are allowed, in the form of a raw material appendage, of course.

Of course, this is another lie. China can act as a technological partner of Russia. There, science and technology are now in full order, to the envy of even the West: Maglevs fly, 5G works, artificial intelligence is used in pharmaceuticals, etc. It is necessary to establish close high-tech cooperation with China: buy licenses, introduce high-speed Internet networks, create joint ventures, build high-speed highways, send students to study at Chinese technical universities, and workers for internships at Chinese enterprises. In synergy for 1-2 decades in our country, there may well be a noticeable technological progress, which will be the best answer to Western sanctions.

Market access

The second thing we need to get from China is access to its richest domestic market. Its potential is colossal, both Chinese and foreign companies are fighting to the death for it. At the same time, Beijing began to noticeably crush American corporations. For Russia, with its small population for such a territory and rather poor population, the opening of the PRC market would be a huge breakthrough.

Unfortunately, we do not have many export goods that can interest the Chinese. Weapons, nuclear energy, gas, oil and other natural resources are all a state issue. But ordinary consumers at the initial stage can be interested in organic food grown without the use of GMOs. Sinologists confirm that this is an extremely promising direction.

The problem is that the average citizen of the PRC, with the exception of residents of the northern provinces, knows almost nothing about Russia, except for its charismatic president. Serious systematic work is required to promote domestic "green" agricultural products.

At the next stage, when (if) their own high-tech brands with cool “gadgets” appear in Russia, they would be able to enter the extremely capacious Chinese market more easily.


Oddly enough, not only Russia, but China itself could help us in the field of armaments. So, for example, a huge problem for the Russian Navy is an acute shortage of large surface ships. Domestic shipyards are packed with orders for years to come and are building very slowly. The idea to order the construction of warships in China has been floating around for a long time. There is some rational grain in this.

For example, the Russian Defense Ministry is not ready to transfer to Beijing the competence to build destroyers or cruisers, but the fleet is not only warships and submarines. He needs, for example, supply ships, hospital ships, etc. For the needs of the PLA Navy, the largest hospital ship in Asia, the Peace Ark, was built. Why not order from China a series of specialized non-combat vessels that the Russian fleet badly needs? They will build it well and quickly, without occupying the stocks of domestic shipyards.

Thus, an alliance between China and Russia is possible and can be very fruitful in the field of economics, technology and innovation.
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  1. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
    steelmaker 6 February 2022 13: 04
    the union of China and Russia is possible and can be very fruitful in the field of economy, technology and innovation.

    To do this, Putin's entourage must have "cooks and taxi drivers." Otherwise, he recruited "effective" managers for himself, they do not know how to hold a shovel in their hands, they only know how to trade with the Motherland.
    1. alexneg13 Offline alexneg13
      alexneg13 (Alexander) 7 February 2022 02: 27
      We certainly don’t need salovars and co-workers, but we’ll somehow sort out the “effective managers” ourselves, as soon as we emasculate (castrate) their sponsors.
  2. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
    Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 6 February 2022 13: 28
    There are two approaches:
    The first one - reflected in this article - is not enough stars from the sky, to use the opportunities that exist, but, alas, they are not rich.
    The union, the basis of which is the common goal of the states included in it - then, indeed, is IMPOSSIBLE.
    The second reveals the potential of the opportunities that the joint history of Russia (USSR) and China contains in itself to create a common FUTURE.
    A geopolitical goal worthy of Russia and China could be the revival of the world socialist system, as the only way to save humanity from destruction.
    Russia has reached a geopolitical impasse on the path of its capitalist development. She, in her "baby sliders", has no place in the world capitalist system. Moreover, it is antagonistic to this system, because that one already has recognized leaders, and Russia suits them only in "disassembled form."
    On the other hand, capitalism itself has reached a dead end in its development, and is aware of this. Further - the apocalypse in different variants widely discussed in the West.
    Why do we need to go there, to them, in their jar of spiders?
    Is it possible to call the goal of the nation the construction of "more or less normal capitalism"?
    The absence of a development goal makes development impossible in principle.
    If you prioritize not the economy, but the people and their interests, a clear goal immediately appears. The economy is returning to its rightful, serving place.
    We need to change quite a bit - to return the ideal goal in the future and start building socially-oriented state capitalism for the time being.
    To create a full-fledged alliance with China, we need a common goal worthy of our peoples.
  3. Wooh Offline Wooh
    Wooh (Barmaley) 6 February 2022 14: 13
    Until the salaries of engineers and scientists are returned by tsarist or Stalinist times, nationalize strategic enterprises, remove "effective" swindlers ... sorry managers - nothing will come of it. The USSR was restoring science and technology after a devastating civil war and the flight of major specialists to the West.
  4. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
    Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 6 February 2022 16: 51
    The term "celestial" in Russia is erroneously interpreted as China. In fact, the Chinese mean the whole world by this. And the Chinese emperor was considered in Confucian ideology as a representative of the sky on Earth, to which the entire territory of the world (heaven) is subject.
    The center of the world for them is the imperial palace, and the highest officials, the lowest officials, ordinary Chinese, vassal kingdoms (recognizing the authority of the Chinese emperor) and barbarians (so wild that they are not able to understand that everything in the world obeys) diverge in concentric circles around it. representative of heaven on earth, including them).
    It seems that the Russian Federation under the control of Vladimir Vladimirovich is moving in the eyes of the Chinese comrades from the circle of barbarians to the circle of vassals. That in their eyes is certainly progress.
    1. isofat Offline isofat
      isofat (isofat) 6 February 2022 22: 52
      Quote: Oleg Rambover
      The term "celestial" in Russia is erroneously interpreted as China.

      Oleg, be afraid of God, who interprets this term today? It happens that China is called that, but the term itself is not interpreted that way. Maybe you've done this before, I don't know... laughing

      And in general, do not confuse people, this term once upon a time was used by the Chinese in this sense, then the Chinese began to call that the territory to which the power of the Chinese emperor extended. Today in China there is no emperor at all. But remembering the thousand-year history of China, in order to emphasize the time period, and in other similar cases, you can’t list everything, it’s quite possible to call the People’s Republic of China that way. This is not a mistake. Depends on the context. laughing
  5. Jacques sekavar Offline Jacques sekavar
    Jacques sekavar (Jacques Sekavar) 6 February 2022 18: 43
    Is such an alliance between the Russian Federation and China really needed, and if not, what is the real alternative?

    The PRC is a principled opponent of bloc policy. the delimitation of world state formations into political and economic military and other blocs and alliances erects certain restrictions on cooperation and hinders the development of each state formation individually and all taken together.
    As an alternative to the bloc policy, the PRC puts forward the utopian thesis of building a society with a common destiny on a global scale, which contradicts the theory of Marxism, the law of uneven development, the essence and tasks of states as political organizations of the ruling classes.
    The real alternative is the victory of PRC socialism in competition with world capitalism, the increase in the frequency and depth of capitalist crises, the growth of social tension, the gradual transition from capitalism to the path of building socialism in the most developed state formations of the world.
  6. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 6 February 2022 19: 51
    The Internet is full of analytics, why these are fantasies that have no contact with reality.

    There is nothing to enter the Chinese market, and they will not be allowed to. We have our own
    And neo-colonial goods - oil, gas, timber, food, delicacies - and so we sell.

    Armaments - China has long been bringing its own, taking it only for copying.
    Sell ​​us something non-military? Maybe, but the quality will not be so hot. This has already been caught with engines, and not only us.
    For themselves, they wrote, it improves the quality of interest by 5 per year, but for others - problems ....

    And many of our elite do not shake hands with them. It will not be so easy to cooperate with corrupt officials, anti-communists and crooks

    And money .... Raise the retirement age for another 5 years?
  7. Jacques sekavar Offline Jacques sekavar
    Jacques sekavar (Jacques Sekavar) 7 February 2022 10: 59
    The Russian Federation can only get from the PRC what is not harmful to the interests of the PRC, and if the USA imposes primary and secondary sanctions on the PRC for cooperation, then the Russian Federation will receive nothing but words about eternal friendship.
  8. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 7 February 2022 11: 49
    Russia does not need any alliance with China.
    We just need to focus on what we are good at.
    These are nuclear energy, aviation, space, weapons, and agriculture. Well, there may be a few more directions, smaller ones.
    Gas, oil, coal, metals to Europe to sell less, but at a higher price than usual.
    Generate and supply electricity, not haul coal thousands of miles.
    Let those who wish to invest in the development of energy resources for Europe.

    Incomes will fall. So we will buy less junk.
    Let the West develop new flavors and smells for condoms. We'll get by.
    The level of comfort people have now is outrageous. Many innovations are essentially unnecessary.

    Cancel patent right. Necessary for military needs to buy through intermediaries. Yes, more expensive. At the same time, we ourselves develop everything necessary for military needs. Concentration on the main thing. Let the twenty-sixth type of toilet bowls wait.

    China will just be needed in order to supply household trifles that are actually needed, but we don’t have them. We to China - electricity, gas, oil, coal. They give us household appliances. Albeit not the most sophisticated. That someone was not satisfied with washing machines made 10 years ago?

    And yes, of course, all Western property in Russia is being nationalized. Let them take the SP-2 and use it according to all European rules. in any holes.

    If we constantly chase after ever-increasing comfort, after a growing amount of "bread and circuses", then we will constantly lose to the West. If we stop and say that we already have everything necessary for a comfortable and safe life, then we will become truly independent.
    1. Bitter Offline Bitter
      Bitter 7 February 2022 16: 53
      There is no limit to perfection. wink
      To whom do you propose to stay and for how long? And who do you want to say that they already have "everything"? The "Abramoviches" will agree with you, and many officials and businessmen are also not averse to stopping this "lawlessness" of the growth of the welfare of citizens. Definitely a plus. good
  9. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 7 February 2022 17: 09
    Quote: Bitter
    who do you want to say that they already have "everything"?

    You write about "everything" there. I didn't write that.
    This desire to have "everything" is the problem. Because it requires new items from the West. Latest models. What is fashionable for them.
    Material assets produced in Russia and purchased abroad, even under sanctions, are quite enough for a comfortable life. Rich Russians just won't agree with me. Because their needs are greater than those of the rest of the population. I mean household needs.
  10. Put_NIK Offline Put_NIK
    Put_NIK (Andrey) 9 February 2022 16: 15
    The most important thing that Russia can get from China is the technology of the entire EU. Why? Yes, because all their products are made in China, which means that China owns their technology.