Russia's Powerful Technological Rise Will Be the Best Response to Western Sanctions


According to the Reuters news agency, the United States and its allies could impose a set of sanctions aimed at reducing Russia's industrial potential as punishment for the "invasion of Ukraine". The threat is very real and very serious. How could our country respond to the "hegemon"?


Peter Harrell, White House National Security Council Officer for International Affairs economics and competitiveness, said the following on this occasion:

The intention in this case is to reduce Russia's industrial potential and production capacity over time, not to act against ordinary Russian consumers.

He did not list all the retaliatory steps, but it is known about the intention to impose sanctions on the Russian banking sector, which will lead to an outflow of capital and the subsequent ruin of financial institutions, as well as large-scale "export restrictions", which mean, in particular, a ban for the sale to Russia of computer microchips and other electronics using American Technology. It is reported that Washington has begun consultations with Seoul and Taipei, as well as with the world's largest banks associated with Russian financial institutions.

The threat is serious, but quite expected. How can Moscow respond to this challenge?

In fact, very few. For example, to the detriment of their own enterprises, it is possible to ban the supply of titanium or Russian fuel oil to American refineries to the United States and Europe. This will have a certain negative effect, but it will not bring Washington and Brussels to their knees. Production chains will be rebuilt and the US and the EU will find a replacement for our raw materials, while domestic producers will simply be left without a sales market. So so idea. What remains?

On the Runet, one can now come across a rather curious assumption, according to which, in response to such tough sanctions, Moscow will have to break off diplomatic relations with Washington, which supposedly will completely untie its hands in relation to American intellectual property. They say that today we play by Western rules and cannot just copy their iPhones, and then we can and will replace everything that we are forbidden to supply from the West. The idea is undoubtedly interesting, but the pitfalls are immediately visible already at the first approximation.

So, even copying foreign technologies will require a serious production and scientific and technical base. It will take a large amount of expensive foreign high-tech equipment, and most importantly - professional staff. In recent decades, it has been fashionable to be a lawyer or a top manager, but not a nerdy engineer or a welder. In our realities, the imposition of an embargo on the supply of high-tech products to Russia will first lead to a shortage, and then to “import substitution” through all sorts of workarounds with a noticeable increase in the cost of products for the end consumer.

Nevertheless, for all the naivety of such an assumption, a certain rational grain is contained in it. American policy they already say in plain text that their main task is to stop and throw back the industrial development of their competitors, China and Russia, preferably in the Stone Age. And sending the United States away with their intellectual property rights would probably be the most rational solution.

What is the complexity of technological development for our country, in addition to the collapse of the Soviet education system and the de-industrialization of the remnants of industry? The fact that the United States and Western Europe are ahead of us for many decades, while all their technologies are protected by patents. In order to prevent competitors from developing and patenting some alternative technological solutions, so-called “patent umbrellas” are created. For the right to use someone else's intellectual property, you must pay by purchasing a license. This is provided that the copyright holder is ready to sell it. As a rule, multinational corporations sell licenses only for obsolete technologies that are no longer of interest to them, but continue to receive royalties for them. What if they ban the use of their intellectual property by revoking the license?

Playing by the rules of the West means deliberately dooming yourself to a technological lag. China owes much of its development to simply ignoring patent infringement claims and forcing foreign companies to form joint ventures and share licenses. Can we use the Chinese experience?

Have to. If Russia is banned from supplying critically important high-tech products, then we will simply have to start copying foreign technologies. If our country throws off the restrictions imposed on it in the field of intellectual property, this will allow it to make a real leap forward. At the same time, of course, access to the West will be closed to domestic products, which will entail the need to create a capacious domestic market by expanding it. After the closing of the technological “Iron Curtain” on the other side, Russia will have to “recapture” Ukraine from the United States and the European Union, “crush” Belarus, Kazakhstan and other countries of the post-Soviet space, starting an active expansionist policy outside the CIS. This will not be a matter of "imperial" ambitions, but of banal survival.

Russia's powerful technological and economic rise will be the best response to Western sanctions. Therefore, it would be smarter to start implementing it not under the conditions of an already imposed embargo, but proactively: by hiring highly paid foreign specialists, sending our own abroad to train and study, purchasing the necessary equipment and opening joint ventures with Chinese partners.
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  1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 30 January 2022 12: 30
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    After the closing of the technological “Iron Curtain” on the other side, Russia will have to “recapture” Ukraine from the United States and the European Union, “crush” Belarus, Kazakhstan and other countries of the post-Soviet space, starting an active expansionist policy outside the CIS. This will not be a matter of "imperial" ambitions, but of banal survival.

    Why wait? Creation of own economic zone is actual now. Ukraine directly asks for this zone.
    1. goncharov.62 Offline goncharov.62
      goncharov.62 (Andrei) 30 January 2022 13: 42
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      Ukraine is asking for this zone." - Did you come up with it yourself? They will feed themselves, okay, on their own - and you will restore and equip from your family budget? Or the policy of war communism - go ahead, get up at 6-00 and not moan?
      1. tulip Offline tulip
        tulip 30 January 2022 14: 50
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        prisoners of war, Bandera volunteers and punishers from the national battalions will restore and equip Novorossia - they are all 10 years old, and they will restore for a ration what they themselves destroyed)
  2. Moray Boreas Offline Moray Boreas
    Moray Boreas (Morey Borey) 30 January 2022 12: 44
    +6
    Here it is: “Playing by the rules of the West means deliberately dooming yourself to a technological lag.” - IT IS TRUTH .
  3. Miffer Offline Miffer
    Miffer (Sam Miffers) 30 January 2022 13: 19
    +1
    Russia's powerful technological and economic rise will be the best response to Western sanctions. Therefore, it would be smarter to start implementing it not under the conditions of an already imposed embargo, but proactively: by hiring highly paid foreign specialists, sending our own abroad to train and study, purchasing the necessary equipment and opening joint ventures with Chinese partners.

    1) If you look back centuries, I can’t even remember when Russia was at the head of world progress? In the countries of the notorious West, and later in America, the advent of the 17th, 18th, 19th and 20th centuries was characterized by powerful technical and industrial breakthroughs. Russia woke up only at the beginning of the 20th century.

    2) As you know, progress in Russia has always been ensured by several factors: the rigidity of Peter I with an oak stick, the cruelty of Stalin with execution cellars; smart rulers who gathered around themselves intelligent ministers: Elizabeth, Catherine, Alexander II and Alexander III. Now there are no circumstances even similar to those listed above.

    3) All this has already happened - to hire foreign specialists, to send the children of the boyars (nobles) to study, to smoke tobacco, to drink coffee with vodka, to shave their beards ... "to recruit the meanest people, put the smallest salary, for the wolf pack will feed itself."
    We know, it was already 300 years ago. It helped for a while.

    4) JV with Chinese partners? - I am sure that the Chinese partners will flatly refuse: there is nothing that they could not do without the participation of the Russians. They do, and the extra wheels in the cart are not needed at all.
    1. Yuri 5347 Offline Yuri 5347
      Yuri 5347 (Yuri) 30 January 2022 15: 29
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      ... what nonsense about backward Russia. "when was Russia at the head of world progress?" - I answer the question.
      1. Today, Russia is a leader in the creation of hypersound (no one has an avant-garde).
      2. 12.04.1961 - the first field of man into space (I hope you do not need to chew, about the technological level of the country that has implemented)
      3. 04.10.1957 - launch of the first artificial earth satellite.
      1. Miffer Offline Miffer
        Miffer (Sam Miffers) 30 January 2022 15: 57
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        1) You can’t spread your hypersound on bread, and the vast majority of the Russian population will sneeze deeply on it.
        2) 1961?
        3) 1957?
        Hello, more than sixty years have passed since then.
        Are you not funny yourself? Look at the political maps of that time and find a country called "Russia" there.
        1. Miffer Offline Miffer
          Miffer (Sam Miffers) 30 January 2022 18: 08
          +6
          To the north of Moscow, in the Mytishchi district, there is the village of Sukharevo. At a local school, exactly 10 years ago, in 2011, they built a toilet for students inside the school; this significant event took place just in the year of the 50th anniversary of Gagarin's flight into space. And until the 11th year, the students of that school, out of need, ran to the wooden toilet in the yard, in any weather - rain and frost. And it's 40 km from Moscow!
          But the local stubborn patriots will again shout to me about the "technological level of the country", which has not existed for 30 years, and about how its spaceships plied the expanses of ... the Bolshoi Theater.
        2. Weimar maslou Offline Weimar maslou
          Weimar maslou (Weimar Maslow) 30 January 2022 18: 42
          +1
          especially about "Your hypersound cannot be smeared on bread" without it there will be no butter!
          1. tulip Offline tulip
            tulip 30 January 2022 20: 49
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            680 schools in Ukraine still use outdoor toilets
            As of 2019, there are 680 schools in Ukraine where children use the toilet outside. Most of these schools are located in Transcarpathia. This was announced on February 27 by the Minister of Education Lilia Grinevich.

            - In Ukraine, 680 schools still have cold toilets outside. Most of these schools are in the Transcarpathian region. This shameful phenomenon must be eliminated. Close this question. More than 267 million hryvnias of subventions from the state budget were allocated for this, - UNN quotes Grinevich as saying.

            And this is in the European country of the victorious Maidan! Not like the Russians!)))
      2. alexxnumx Offline alexxnumx
        alexxnumx (Alexander) 31 January 2022 19: 18
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        The achievements of the USSR should not be confused with the achievements of Russia. In my city of Nizhny Novgorod, I see collapsed closed factories. What was done under the USSR by the modern government is only being eaten away. Russia is the leader in hypersound on the developments of the USSR, well, that's okay, but what else are the leaders? Turbines for the Crimea were bought from Siemens !!!! You can't see the forest for the trees
    2. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 31 January 2022 09: 38
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      As you know, progress in Russia has always been ensured by several factors: the rigidity of Peter I with an oak stick, cruelty of Stalin with firing cellars

      Liberal nonsense.
      1. alexxnumx Offline alexxnumx
        alexxnumx (Alexander) 31 January 2022 19: 23
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        what nonsense, what nonsense!??? What's wrong? quite already? As long as you don’t choke our corrupt officials and build all the freaks of liberoids and stupid intelligentsia, nothing will happen. This is a mobilization economy. He stole - they shot him on the th. Now do an honest business and God forbid you become well profitable - they will take it away from you, and you will be imprisoned. And don't shout to anyone.
    3. alexxnumx Offline alexxnumx
      alexxnumx (Alexander) 31 January 2022 19: 13
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      BRAVO bravissimo
  4. Valera75 Offline Valera75
    Valera75 (Valery) 30 January 2022 13: 34
    +3
    Considering what is written above, for a couple of decades everyone is studying to be psychologists, lawyers and accountants and not engineers and welders and turners, then there will be no breakthrough, and if there is something similar, but only if we equalize and the West, completely and for a very long time block all the energy resources that go there plus everything else. Then there will be a severe crisis in the West and in the world in general, somewhere it will start abruptly somewhere gradually, but like dominoes production will fall and fall. Then you can still buy something to lure someone away, but purely on your own We'll puff for a very long time, unfortunately.
  5. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 30 January 2022 13: 40
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    Russia's powerful technological and economic rise will be the best response to Western sanctions.

    Original thought. Something like the idea that it is better to be rich and healthy than poor and sick.

    Therefore, it would be smarter to start implementing it not under the conditions of an already imposed embargo, but proactively: by hiring highly paid foreign specialists, sending our own abroad to train and study, purchasing the necessary equipment and opening joint ventures with Chinese partners.

    In fact, this has been done for 30 years.

    Except perhaps joint ventures with China. And it's probably good that there are no joint ventures with China. The Chinese are a trading nation. Therefore, with a high degree of probability, they will come up with such conditions that they will have the main benefit. Or they will simply have the benefits, and the costs will be ours.
  6. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 30 January 2022 13: 56
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    Quote: goncharov.62
    Ukraine is asking for this zone." - Did you come up with it yourself?

    Yes, myself.
    And about the fact that you have to feed - you broadcast fools.
    If they are in a single economic space with Russia, they will quickly recover.

    At one time, the Union was destroyed in exactly this way: people like you squeaked with all your ears - we will no longer feed the Russians, we will cooperate with the West, we will live like in France.
    In the Union, every republic, except Russia, believed that it would live better if it went on a free voyage. But the economy has its own laws.
  7. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
    Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 30 January 2022 14: 02
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    Russia's powerful technological and economic rise will be the best response to Western sanctions.

    In the history of our country, such rises were carried out only by "Westernizer" rulers in close cooperation with this notorious West.
  8. ont65 Offline ont65
    ont65 (Oleg) 30 January 2022 14: 06
    +2
    'having hired highly paid foreign specialists' - they have been working since the 90s, 'sending their (children) abroad to train and study' - since the 90s they have been sending foreign companies to replenish the staff, 'purchasing the necessary equipment' - they have been buying since the 90s, yes, apparently it doesn’t give the horse any food, it doesn’t allow it to appear in any way. Understand a simple thing, the state was behind good intentions in the PRC or the USSR, private business is guided only by profit. In the Russian Federation and in the field of IT
    quite enough foreign base. Attempts to create their own were made, but were not successful. It is easier to parasitize in any way, and there are no examples of the opposite. Our unclaimed Elbrus is a perfect example. Without direct or indirect state funding, this product with such properties would not have appeared at all.
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 31 January 2022 09: 40
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      'having hired highly paid foreign specialists' - they have been working since the 90s, 'sending their (children) abroad to train and study

      Sending children to study as engineers or top managers is 2 big differences

      Attempts to create their own were made, but were not successful. It is easier to parasitize in any way, and there are no examples of the opposite. Our unclaimed Elbrus is a perfect example. Without direct or indirect state funding, this product with such properties would not have appeared at all.

      Say thanks to the liberal reformers and the opening of the domestic market by Western TNCs.
      1. ont65 Offline ont65
        ont65 (Oleg) 1 February 2022 07: 18
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        Whom parents send to study for their money, it doesn’t matter for the Russian Federation, if they are engineers, then definitely not back to the country. There is nothing to say thank you for, nothing came to me from this.
  9. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 30 January 2022 14: 07
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    Quote: Oleg Rambover
    In the history of our country, such rises were carried out only by "Westernizer" rulers in close cooperation with this notorious West.

    Not correct.
    Because before there was no choice. Now there is Japan, Korea, China. There was room for maneuver. By the way, under the USSR, we received technology and equipment from Japan. Those that we could not get from the US and Europe.
    And your second mistake - there was a time when Western technology was taken for free, since our authorities did not recognize their patent rights. Sometimes they just steal. This was also the case.
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 31 January 2022 09: 41
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      Not correct.
      Because before there was no choice. Now there is Japan, Korea, China. There was room for maneuver. By the way, under the USSR, we received technology and equipment from Japan. Those that we could not get from the US and Europe.

      Quite right. But the liberal St. Petersburg will not say otherwise.

      there was a time when the technology of the West was taken for free, as our authorities did not recognize their patent rights. Sometimes they just steal. This was also the case.

      The Israelis, when they needed to, stole the technology for creating French fighters, nuclear weapons, etc. And nothing, Russian liberals like Israel.
  10. Mikhail L. Offline Mikhail L.
    Mikhail L. 30 January 2022 14: 36
    0
    What patent law can be respected against an adversary, in a de facto economic war imposed on them?
  11. tulip Offline tulip
    tulip 30 January 2022 14: 58
    0
    the author does not understand a little when he writes that the West will quickly find a replacement for Russian titanium and oil))) Firstly, oil can be different, like gas, for example. Russian pipeline gas is suitable for European industry, but American LNG is not suitable for example - it is only suitable for heating. Russian heavy oil is suitable for US refineries, while Saudi light oil is not suitable. Plus logistics and stuff. There are still many different factors - these are chemists and logisticians who can write a big article)))
    It is not easy to find a replacement for Russian titanium - but it is better to say that it is unrealistic in the volumes that Russia supplies. It’s just that Russian titanium will enter the American market through outbidding, which will in no way reduce the cost of production. You can also give examples of Russian fertilizers that will be in great demand in the coming decades. Aluminum, nickel, tin and even coal. Coal is also different by the way and not everyone is suitable for different areas. Therefore, here I would not cut it off my shoulder that the West will replace something. Even now, when there is no open conflict, the West has already got gas. And imagine what will happen when there is a conflict?
    1. baltika3 Offline baltika3
      baltika3 (baltika3) 30 January 2022 15: 45
      +2
      Even now, when there is no open conflict, the West has already got gas. And imagine what will happen when there is a conflict?

      Everything has already happened - the 1973 oil crisis, the embargo on supplies to countries that supported Israel. Western Europe depended on Arab oil by about 100%. The damage to the economies of developed countries was real and great. Six months later, the Arabs lifted their embargo, no one renounced Israel.
      1. tulip Offline tulip
        tulip 30 January 2022 17: 33
        -2
        Israel is Israel and the times were different, for the sake of Bandera Ukraine now no one in the West is losing money and the Russian market will not. A maximum of two years grumble and that's it)))
  12. baltika3 Offline baltika3
    baltika3 (baltika3) 30 January 2022 15: 34
    +1
    Topwar has a good series of articles about the development of Soviet electronics. So it describes in detail how they couldn’t really even copy the element base. With a delay of several years, not fully understanding how and why it works. And now the technology is much more complicated, and people with a head may no longer want to work for an improved ration (compared to their Western colleagues), in the status of travel restrictions and under the supervision of a comrade major.
    There will be no breakthrough.
    But the military does not need a "cutting edge" at all. The deeply backward DPRK and Iran are completely getting by with old-fashioned technologies, and Russia is not the DPRK. What we have now will be enough until the middle of the century. Ordinary people will manage without smartphones and laptops, and the difficult ones will be brought by pull. So let's live.
    1. Mikhail L. Offline Mikhail L.
      Mikhail L. 30 January 2022 16: 04
      0
      Topwar has a good series of articles about the development of Soviet electronics

      - but there is no socialism in the Russian Federation, and dooming the country to a deliberate lag and the risk of disappearing in the middle of the century is "unpatriotic"!
      And the arrogant "father's concern for ... a difficult people" is again hypocrisy, designed to undermine the country from the inside! ;-(
  13. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
    steelmaker 30 January 2022 16: 50
    +2
    The idea and message of the article is absolutely correct. But with the current government, this is not realistic. What can really be done? Remember the 1998 default? How did Primakov and Maslyukov start? They immediately blocked the export of capital from the country and provided loans to businesses at a low interest rate! And as a result, the United States and Europe howled, and six months later the government was headed by Putin. And the sale of the Motherland accelerated.
    Nothing can be done without changing the economic course! Therefore, the United States and spit on all Putin's ultimatums. Russia plays by someone else's rules and Putin wants to be reckoned with? I say that the problems with education.

    1. We will carry out the nationalization of strategically important and backbone industries, the electric power industry, railways, communication systems, and leading banks. The state will regain its monopoly on the production and wholesale of ethyl alcohol. This will give impetus to development and bring the treasury trillions of rubles annually; will allow to form a development budget instead of the budget of impoverishment and degradation.
    2. Restoration of Russia's economic sovereignty. There are several trillion rubles in the government's pocket. But these colossal funds have been transferred to the management of foreign financial organizations. Those trillions of rubles that are stored in banks and US debt, we will invest in production, science and education. The new government will save the Russian economy from total dollar dependence. Create a financial system in the interests of the state and citizens of the country. We will limit the access of foreign speculative capital to the Russian market. We will refuse to participate in the WTO, because for 4 years of being in this economic punishment cell we have received more than a trillion rubles of direct losses and 5 trillion of indirect ones.
    3. Credit resources - for economic recovery. To this end, we will reduce the bank interest. We will stop the wild withdrawal of capital abroad. ....etc.

    And this is from Grudinin's program.
    Does Putin have something similar? Have you ever seen Putin's program at all? After 20 years of rule, everyone is talking about war and sanctions. It is necessary how not to be friends with the head in order to admire such things?
    1. isofat Offline isofat
      isofat (isofat) 30 January 2022 17: 06
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      steelmaker , what else do you know how to divide and distribute all the money? When will you learn how to fill out declarations? Why are you killing moose, are you starving? smile
  14. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 30 January 2022 18: 54
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    Russia's Powerful Technological Rise Will Be the Best Response to Western Sanctions

    the idea is wonderful.
    Ma-a-scarlet difficulty that this idea was before the sanctions of the West, but things are still there.
    The video "There is no time to build up" starts in 2006, and the text is supposedly from 2000.
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  16. Bystander Offline Bystander
    Bystander (Innocent) 30 January 2022 19: 27
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    After the closing of the technological “Iron Curtain” on the other side, Russia will have to “recapture” Ukraine from the United States and the European Union, “crush” Belarus, Kazakhstan and other countries of the post-Soviet space, starting an active expansionist policy outside the CIS. It will not be a matter of "imperial" ambitions,

    That's exactly what will be a question imperial ambition. Has already.

    And exactly so RF causes such disgust around.
    Because everywhere and always trying to do everything impudently, ahead, on a grand scale. And most importantly - without asking the opinions of those on whom it will break.

    But in principle, the bear - the symbol of the Russian Federation - also does what, and how, he wants.
    Rummages around the taiga, picks berries, catches fish, steals honey from bees.
    And most importantly, it does not produce even 1% of the benefit, even for itself.
    Half a year to slumber in hibernation, and then get out and stagger like a fool - that's the concept of a bear.
    At least - taiga.
    1. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
      steelmaker 30 January 2022 19: 34
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      that's why the Russian Federation causes such disgust around

      Have you made any suggestions about what Russia should do in order not to cause disgust? Are you no longer satisfied with trading and selling? What are you satisfied with? State.
      1. Bystander Offline Bystander
        Bystander (Innocent) 30 January 2022 19: 56
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        With regard to the same Ukraine.
        Before Maidan 2014, there were a lot of pro-Russian people in Ukraine.
        Here are some survey results from 2013:

        Attitude of Ukrainians towards Russia is better than Russians towards Ukraine - sociologists
        MONDAY, APRIL 1, 2013, 14:02

        In both Ukraine and Russia, the majority of respondents would like both countries to be independent but friendly states - with open borders, without visas and customs.

        This is stated in the results of a sociological survey of the Kiev International Institute of Sociology and the Levada Center.

        In Ukraine, this number has decreased since September by 4%, in Russia, on the contrary, it has increased by 4%.

        The number of those who would like to have more isolated relations between Ukraine and Russia has practically not changed - with closed borders, visas and customs. In Russia and Ukraine, 13% of respondents gave the same answer.

        In Russia, 18% of respondents want unification into a single state, in Ukraine - 16%.

        Over the past year, the proportion of Russians who would like Russia to unite with Ukraine into one state has become somewhat larger than the corresponding number of Ukrainians, while in previous years there were more supporters of unification into one state among Ukrainians than among Russians.

        As before, the attitude of Ukrainians towards Russia is better than the attitude of Russians towards Ukraine.

        Compared to the September 2012 poll, Ukrainians' good attitude towards Russia has slightly increased, from 83% to 85%.

        At the same time, the number of those who are poorly disposed towards Russia has somewhat decreased - from 11% to 8%. 7% of respondents found it difficult to answer the question.

        In terms of regional distribution, as always, the majority of Ukrainians positively inclined towards Russia are concentrated in the Eastern (94%) and Southern regions (92%), the least of them are in the Western region (68%).

        In the Central region, 86% have a positive attitude towards Russia. It should be noted that compared to September 2012, this number increased statistically significantly in the Western (from 63% to 68%) and Eastern regions (from 90% to 94%).

        The attitude towards Ukraine in Russia has not changed statistically over this period - the number of those who are positive is 74%, negative - 18%, 10% found it difficult to answer the question.

        The study was conducted from 8 to 17 February. 2032 respondents living in all regions of Ukraine (including the city of Kiev) and in the Autonomous Republic of Crimea were surveyed by the interview method using a stochastic sample representative of the population of Ukraine over 18 years old.

        Statistical sampling error (with a probability of 0.95 and with a design effect of 1.5) does not exceed 3.3% for indicators close to 50%, 2,8% - for indicators close to 25%, 2,0% - for indicators close to 10%, 1 , 4% - for indicators close to 5%.

        The Levada Center study, representative of the adult population of Russia, was conducted on January 18-21, 2013. 1601 respondents aged 18 years and over were polled in 127 settlements.

        https://www.pravda.com.ua/rus/news/2013/04/1/6986902/

        Those. most of the people were FOR the Russian Federation.

        But even then there was less positive in Russia. If we add up those who had a negative attitude and those who abstained (which means that they were also negative, but hidden), then this is already almost 30 percent.

        And if in Ukraine the so-called Banderites were traditionally anti-Russian, then who was against that peaceful Ukraine in the Russian Federation?

        Probably, those who, like the hero from the film "Brother-2", believed that Ukraine should "still answer for the Crimea" (as in the film "You bastards, you will also answer for Sevastopol!").

        Well, Crimea is in the Russian Federation. Everything seems to be in order.

        But no, the Russian Federation again needs something from Ukraine.

        It would seem that some kind of small territory, but such a sacred one for the Russian Federation.

        Why did they look at her through the sleeves, at the pro-Russians here, when Ukraine was much more pro-Russian? RF was not enough.

        But you need to understand only one thing - They cannot be everywhere and everyone (not only in Ukraine, but also in other countries) is for the Russian Federation. But those who are FOR the Russian Federation should be appreciated.

        Don't take it for granted. And somehow support it.

        But the Russian Federation prefers impudence instead of support.

        Which breeds disgust.

        Well, something like this.
        1. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
          steelmaker 30 January 2022 20: 02
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          How difficult you are. What do you not understand what I asked? I asked you about Ukraine? .Maybe it will come to you the second time. What are your suggestions, what should Russia do in order not to cause disgust? List! 1,2,....etc.
          1. Bystander Offline Bystander
            Bystander (Innocent) 30 January 2022 20: 08
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            1. Appreciate people for their positive attitude towards Russia.
            2. Don't try compel people to be positive towards Russia.
            3. Don't try unceremoniously solve those problems that require/required a subtle approach.
            4. Be able to admit your mistakes. There were many.
            But the President of the Russian Federation in general can not admit your mistakes, elevating yourself to the rank of the Infallible.
            And everyone who tries to say something against his will (even in cases where there are real mistakes/problems) is labeled foreign agents/NGOs.
            1. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
              steelmaker 30 January 2022 20: 17
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              Are you really, really difficult? Or did you run away from the fool? That is, in economic and political terms, everything suits you in Russia! Give you "respect"?
              1. Fourth Offline Fourth
                Fourth (Fourth) 30 January 2022 21: 21
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                Come on, steelworker, show us your literacy. laughing
        2. tulip Offline tulip
          tulip 30 January 2022 20: 06
          +2
          spit on your Bandera disgust, but we - in Nikolaev and Odessa, Kharkov and Kherson want to go to Russia. And we will leave for Russia with our land as Crimeans! We are tired of your Svidomo insides))) Go to your place in Galicia and make your Ukraine there as you like
    2. tulip Offline tulip
      tulip 30 January 2022 20: 13
      +3
      and Ukraine asked Russia when it sent its mercenaries to Chechnya in 90 to kill Russians? Ukraine asked Russia when it opened Chechen separatist centers in Kiev and Lvov in 90? Ukraine asked Russia when it treated Chechen fighters in its hospitals? Ukraine asked Russia when it helped the separatists in Russia with weapons and money? I remember how in Odessa Hurvits met Chechen fighters at the airport with bread and salt.
      So why are you now rolling a barrel against Russia - like it climbs somewhere to you Bandera, does not allow you to kill?))) Repent, kneel before Russia for what you did in the 90s, when you killed Russians and supported Seppartism in Russia - and then demand that Russia does not interfere in your affairs. Your Svidomo "" What are we for?" Really sick
  17. Vladimir Daetoya (Vladimir Daetoya) 30 January 2022 19: 53
    0
    It was necessary to hire Western high-tech specialists before the conflict with the West, and not now. 18 years ago, I could very well, even for a penny, help the Motherland in obtaining advanced technologies, because. worked in the respective company and could pump databases with all the know-how and I wanted it. But in those days, I did not show such an initiative because I considered Putin an agent of the Anglo-Saxons, and I was sure that I would have been seized and handed over to the American special services when trying to convey something. But now Putin is a clear enemy of the Teutons and has made the whole of Russia an enemy of this civilization. Well, you have to be such a fool to leave the country without a fundamental industry, that is, in fact, without a future, and at the same time set it against the hegemon! He realized it now - but it's too late, my friend. The Soviet Union died due to the lag in electronic technology. I then developed the first electronic telephone exchange at VEF, which was supposed to work as a remote module for Nokia telephone exchanges. And then we copied American high-voltage microcircuits. But the brains of our guys were no worse than American ones. We could improve their circuits on the fly, there would be a good connection with experimental production (with Angstrem). And when I showed in the states what a Russian novice is capable of in the department of the world leader in the production of radiation-resistant integrated circuits, the local fellows and senior engineers could not bear the shame and it was clear that they (not all of course) want to get rid of me.
    Well, now the hegemon, having seen what Russia is capable of, decided to get rid of it by cutting off all relations with advanced technological states.
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 31 January 2022 09: 29
      -3
      It was necessary to hire Western high-tech specialists before the conflict with the West, and not now.

      It is already possible to hire oriental specialists. Nothing worse.
  18. Bystander Offline Bystander
    Bystander (Innocent) 30 January 2022 20: 11
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    Quote: Mikhail Alekseev
    spit on your Bandera disgust, but we - in Nikolaev and Odessa, Kharkov and Kherson want to go to Russia. And we will leave for Russia with our land as Crimeans! We are tired of your Svidomo insides))) Go to your place in Galicia and make your Ukraine there as you like

    Here is one such example of impudence.
    The bear wanted honey, and wanted to spit on the opinion of the bees.
    1. tulip Offline tulip
      tulip 30 January 2022 20: 39
      +4
      so it's you Bandera wanted something and you don't give a damn about the opinions of the rest in Ukraine. And the fact that the bear wants to help his cubs and save them from the Bandera hyenas - so what's wrong with that? Or are you going to tell me about the globe of Ukraine here, how Bandera built Sevastopol and Shukhevych built Odessa and Russia has no right to anything?)))
  19. Actellius Offline Actellius
    Actellius 30 January 2022 21: 50
    -1
    Putin lackey of the West, there will be no development of Russia
  20. Siegfried Offline Siegfried
    Siegfried (Gennady) 30 January 2022 22: 21
    -1
    Can we say today that the global financial system and economy operate according to Western rules and are controlled by them (mainly the United States)? Quite, but a noticeable decrease in their influence and capabilities.
    Can we say today that the world economy depends on exports from Russia? (resources and their derivatives, food, everything except services, consumer goods and weapons)? What will happen if Russia stops all exports of resources and raw materials? Perhaps there will be a serious crisis, but will it be critical? In any case, the US will be the last to suffer, they have it all.
    And now let's imagine that a financial and, as a result, an economic crisis has begun in the world. Stock markets are sinking, capital is rushing about in different directions, not knowing where to hide. Social stability in developed countries is beginning to show tangible cracks. And what if, at this very moment, Russia announces national security measures and closes all exports except for services, consumer goods and weapons, excluding China and its closest allies. The purpose of such sanctions will be different, not to damage the economies of the West. How will such a step affect social stability in developed countries? Which country has the most guns on hand?
    Maybe the masters from the deep state, and the dudes from Langley too, before starting a sanctions war against Russia in order to weaken its development, it is worth watching all the parts of "The Judgment Night".
    On attempts to harm Russia with sanctions, Russia can try to blow the hell out of the entire American society from the inside, also with the help of sanctions. Actually, it would even be a complete reboot of the global financial and economic system, with all the consequences.
    If the US starts now imposing sanctions against Russia, we can already start pumping the world with the idea that the US threatens global financial and economic stability. So that when it starts, the culprit of the celebration was obvious.
  21. Tuttu-ruttu Offline Tuttu-ruttu
    Tuttu-ruttu (V) 31 January 2022 00: 40
    +1
    For a technological breakthrough, capacious technological markets are needed, the only thing that comes to mind is the Chinese domestic market and, in the case of sanctions, Chinese trading partners. Will China agree to open its market for Russia, at least for high-tech products?
  22. Binder Offline Binder
    Binder (Miron) 31 January 2022 01: 03
    -4
    Ostap suffered. (C) laughing Mr. Marzhetsky has another crazy idea. There is even less hope for a powerful technological upsurge in Russia than for the fact that European pensioners will en masse move to Siberia for permanent residence, as the author once told us ... bully
  23. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 31 January 2022 08: 20
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    Quote from Bystander
    Before Maidan 2014, there were a lot of pro-Russian people in Ukraine.
    Here are some survey results from 2013:

    Well, yes. Until 2014, there were good relations, and then deteriorated. Who is to blame-naturally Russia.
    Because everywhere and always trying to do everything impudently, ahead, on a grand scale. And most importantly - without asking the opinions of those on whom it will break.
    The coup that took place after they agreed with the authorities on a peaceful process of change was not made by Bandera? No you.
    Germany, France and Poland were the guarantors of this agreement, but did nothing after the Bandera people spit on the agreement. correct countries. Supported the bandits.

    And they began to build "Ukraine for Ukrainians" again, not Bandera. What are you, what are you.
    What is interesting - after all, the Maidan is not the first. And they built a nationalist state in the former Ukraine - not the first year. At least since 2001. And rude Russia did not interfere. Think of it as an internal process.

    But when it turned out that the country's banderization was going too slowly. When, according to polls, it turned out that there was no hatred for Russia and Russians, then the interested parties began to organize a new Maidan. In order to accelerate the split.

    Well, yes, and when the Russians and Russia did not like what was happening in Ukraine, they did not like the Bandera plans for the Crimea and the NATO alliance, then Russia intervened. Well, yes. For some reason, she did not support Bandera.
    And she became a real monster. Yeah everywhere and always trying to do everything impudently, ahead, on a grand scale. And most importantly - without asking the opinions of those on whom it will break.
    Here, delicate France and Poland and Germany did not say anything about burning people in Odessa, but the rude Russians did not like it. And in Crimea they did not allow Bandera to show themselves - what impudent Russians. Democracy is not understood.

    The witness simply dumps everything from a sick head to a healthy one. The coup and further actions of Bandera - that was it sweepingly, rushing, sweepingly. And most importantly - without asking the opinions of those on whom it will break.
    And the actions of Russia were jewelry accurate. It is a pity that this applies only to the Crimea.
    In my opinion, it was necessary to hit Bandera on a grand scale, to demolish these bandits completely. And then 80% of Ukrainians would support Russia's actions. But alas.
  24. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 31 January 2022 08: 50
    -1
    Victory! The victory of the ultimatum, the victory of Russia, the victory of Putin.
    We could have been rudely sent to ..., but instead they were affectionately sent to ... Victory !!!!!
  25. 123 Offline 123
    123 (123) 31 January 2022 10: 01
    0
    Russia's powerful technological and economic rise will be the best response to Western sanctions. Therefore, it would be smarter to start implementing it not under the conditions of an already imposed embargo, but proactively: by hiring highly paid foreign specialists, sending our own abroad to train and study, purchasing the necessary equipment and opening joint ventures with Chinese partners.

    What, for example, KAMAZ needs "highly paid foreign specialists"? Who and where to learn and train to send? Chinese partners are also not an option, URAL, for example, has established its own production of bridges, they cast themselves, they do everything. There were complaints about the quality of the Chinese, and logistics during the pandemic became problematic. There is only one way out, where it is possible to develop our own production as much as possible in key areas. Cooperation with foreign partners is inevitable, but we must strive not to become dependent on them, at least diversify the supply of components, have alternative suppliers.
    And with regard to KAMAZ, conclusions should probably be drawn, the partner is not reliable, henceforth, they should not be allowed into such programs for a cannon shot.

    KAMAZ refused to produce military equipment due to sanctions
    According to the general director of KAMAZ, Sergey Kogogin, the company's management has done everything possible to avoid being included in the Western sanctions list. In particular, the auto giant refused to produce military equipment and reduced cooperation with Rostec.
    "In 2014, we were in the" red zone ", the company could get into the sanctions lists. We were faced with the task of reducing the share of Rostec - we reduced it. Another task is to refuse to produce military equipment - we brought this enterprise outside of KamAZ “In general, they stopped producing purely military equipment,” Kogogin said on the air of the “Special Guest with Tina Kandelaki” program.
    He also explained that the company is unable to refuse imported solutions, since KAMAZ has long been integrated into the global automotive industry, and it is not possible to localize the production of all parts in Russia.

    https://www.mk.ru/economics/2022/01/28/kamaz-otkazalsya-ot-proizvodstva-voennoy-tekhniki-izza-sankciy.html
    1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 31 January 2022 11: 29
      -1
      In fact, KAMAZ created a separate company for military equipment so as not to risk the rest of the production. Trying not to get sanctioned.
      1. 123 Offline 123
        123 (123) 31 January 2022 13: 36
        +1
        In fact, KAMAZ created a separate company for military equipment so as not to risk the rest of the production. Trying not to get sanctioned.

        Thanks, I know it's in the quote...

        Another task is the refusal to produce military equipment - we brought this enterprise outside of KamAZ

        It was rather emotional ... well, or did not express the idea clearly enough. I mean, the strategy of integration into the "friendly family" of European automakers will probably not justify itself. It becomes easier to influence them, and the state should probably pay more attention to the Urals and others.
  26. Alexander Ulyev Offline Alexander Ulyev
    Alexander Ulyev (Alexander Ulyev) 1 February 2022 15: 59
    -1
    Fantasy based analytics. Tell us how Boeing will find a replacement for AVISME and what will America do without RusAl? They have had problems with logistics for a year already, queues of container ships in ports, how can they "easily rebuild supply chains"? Well, the American, of course, is just a drug addict: "We don't want to harm Russian consumers, we just want to stifle their production." So cute. And what will the consumer live on?
  27. Ilgizl Offline Ilgizl
    Ilgizl (Ilgiz Latypov) 4 February 2022 19: 46
    0
    This requires a patriotic elite without dual citizenship, accounts and real estate with families over the hill ...
  28. Berton Offline Berton
    Berton (Vladimir) 6 February 2022 00: 44
    0
    I have only one question, what is VV Putin not aware of?
    Maybe it's just not the tasks that he was assigned?
    What is here and to whom it may not be clear that technology is the future.
    Why is everything in our country Oil-Gas, Gas-Oil, and the real sector is of no interest to anyone. / Not only is it not interesting, it is simply consigned to oblivion at the level of propaganda.
    What is going on at all?