Ukrainian fighter testing NLAW anti-tank systems: If I were the enemy, now I would definitely not use tanks

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Russia has gathered more than 130 military personnel and a large number of equipment. According to American intelligence, now the weather prevents Russian President Vladimir Putin from "attacking" his neighbor. It is difficult to use tanks, because the mild winter did not freeze the ground, the Polish portal o29.pl reported on January 2, citing Ukrainian military and American media.

The publication notes that in the face of the growing threat of "Russian invasion" some countries have decided to support Ukraine with their weapons. Great Britain donated NLAW short-range anti-tank systems to Kiev.



Currently, the Ukrainian military are testing (testing) them at a training ground near Lviv. The soldiers claim that these ATGMs are very effective.

In place of the enemy, now I would definitely not use tanks. If they told me to get into the tank, I would refuse

- quoted the words of the Ukrainian fighter Zinovy ​​​​Tuzhansky, the American television channel NBC on that day.


The Polish publication clarified that the NLAW has a maximum range of up to 1000 meters (effective 600 meters) and weighs 12,5 kg. ATGM operates on the principle of fire and forget. The speed of the ATGM is 200 m / s and the chance of successfully hitting the target reaches 90%. In 2008 it cost £20 per item.

In addition to Great Britain, the United States, Latvia, Estonia and a number of other countries also decided to help Ukraine. At the same time, Germany refused to transfer to Ukraine the 122-mm D-30 towed howitzers, which were in service with the GDR army, summed up the media from Poland.

We remind you that on January 28, the Ukrainian military published their version of what is happening.

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  1. tulip
    tulip
    +24
    29 January 2022 18: 26
    this Ukrainian punisher soldier lives in some kind of his own parallel reality where hordes of Russian tanks are advancing))) in fact, he will not see any tanks, he will simply be burned along with his American prodigy in the fire of the bombing or after being hit by pinocchio)))
    1. akarfoxhound
      akarfoxhound
      +13
      29 January 2022 19: 38
      Judging by the "silent minus" given to you, some militant, but very shy Banderzyan woman disagrees with you, believing that a real euro excrement not only does not sink, but also does not burn lol
      1. passing by
        passing by
        +9
        29 January 2022 20: 01
        Zeltsman no longer knows how to get out. the monkeys in his constituency have already tipped off $12 billion in losses. Foreigners withdraw money from the ruins. the dream of "pro-Russian" Ukrainians is coming true. Putin doesn’t want to turn off the gas, so they decided to squander money to buy gas ...
    2. Adler77
      Adler77
      +4
      29 January 2022 21: 22
      I am also constantly surprised... In theory, bombs, rockets and shells will arrive first, and only then .... But by that time, will anyone use these anti-tank missiles there ...
    3. sH, arK
      sH, arK
      0
      31 January 2022 13: 43
      But the funny thing is that this is a grenade launcher - not an anti-tank one! ;);) Yes, quite a good universal product, while not prohibitively expensive, by Western standards, of course. The shelf life is expiring, so either pay for disposal, or "help the fool"! Everything is logical, reasonable ... Lokhly at least got something, though huge sums "allocated" to them as help were written off for this, and part was sold - well, after all, "they don't have any corruption";);)
  2. gorskova.ir
    gorskova.ir
    -2
    29 January 2022 20: 21
    Yes, stop yelling. It is possible after all and to obkakanya dooratsya. Well, already state that Biden scared Putin so much, scared Putin so much that he decided to go to the Olympic Games, and not to Ukraine. And the one about whom it is written here is just another idiot.
    1. Banski
      Banski
      -23
      29 January 2022 20: 37
      Uncle Xi called him to the carpet, otherwise they wouldn’t have pulled him out of the bunker.
      1. Alex Orlov
        Alex Orlov
        +6
        30 January 2022 09: 58
        Just like in kindergarten: "And Petrov ... yay!!!" And then run away to a corner to cry :)) If only they could come up with something smarter, even yours are no longer talking about the bunker.
  3. boriz
    boriz
    +7
    29 January 2022 20: 56
    Has anyone seen the performance characteristics of this prodigy? This is bullshit!
    There is no homing, or just guidance. This is a grenade launcher with a smart sight. If the tank was driving while aiming, and stopped after the launch of the rocket, then the rocket will fly not into the tank, but to the calculated aiming point.
    The range is not 1000 m (as it is written in the post), but 600 m effective, 800 m maximum.
    The Competition has a range of 4m during the day, 000m at night. And the Competition is really ATGM.
    NLAW is rubbish. But for Zinovy ​​​​Tuzhansky - that's it.
    1. boriz
      boriz
      +5
      29 January 2022 21: 17
      And armor penetration is generally a separate song!
      When it hits the side, it is able to pierce with fragments bulletproof armor! That is, BMP / BTR. And that's not everyone.
      And he can pierce a tank only when flying over the roof, explode at a calculated distance and hit the roof with an impact core down! Moreover, it is described there both by the shock core and cumulatively. Not quite clear. That is, flying over the roof, it must explode directly above it (but without guidance, at a distance specified by the sight at the time of aiming) and throw down the impact core into the roof. Then he can penetrate 50 mm of armor. And if the tank turns a little to the side during this time? And if the tank is covered with an anti-cumulative mesh that ends above the roof? But, in any case, there is no armor effect. A ball weighing 102 grams that has already pierced the armor. Basically, it just falls down. Well, a person will be hurt if he gets caught along the way.
      I read this nonsense and did not believe my eyes.
      Not surprisingly, this trash was sent to Ukraine. Who else needs it?
    2. Adler77
      Adler77
      +5
      29 January 2022 21: 25
      Why, good thing. This is an alternative to RPG, not ATGM. Melee weapons, especially dangerous in cities.
      Don't underestimate this thing.
      1. boriz
        boriz
        -3
        29 January 2022 21: 26
        It has no cumulative charge. No jet. He will not break through anything at close range, except for the country barn.
        Read the description thoughtfully at least in the wiki. Surprise yourself.
        And it costs much more than an RPG.
        1. ALMO66
          ALMO66
          +3
          29 January 2022 22: 29
          The warhead has a caliber of 150 mm, weighs 1,8 kg and contains a downwardly directed shaped charge based on an impact core, with a diameter of 102 mm
        2. Half a hundred second
          Half a hundred second
          -3
          30 January 2022 10: 28
          Quote: boriz
          It has no cumulative charge

          Well, how not. The warhead weighing 1,8 kg has a caliber of 150 mm and contains a downward shaped charge based on an impact core with a diameter of 102 mm, which is used to attack a target in the roof of the tower

          How do you imagine the impact core? Some kind of metal ball, like a bearing?
          The impact core is formed during the explosion of any shaped charge with a metal lining of the form, however, its mass and energy depend on the opening angle of the lining.
          If in a conventional shaped charge about 75% of the mass of the facing is converted into a pestle, then in a charge with an impact core - up to 95%. Unlike a cumulative jet, which maintains relative armor penetration over a length of tens of initial charge diameters, the impact core retains its speed at a distance of about a thousand initial charge diameters.

          After compression (collapse of the lining), the pestle has a diameter of about 1/4 of the diameter of the initial charge and a length of about one diameter (that is, it has an elongated shape). The speed of the impact core is at least 2,5 kilometers per second, i.e. higher than the best tank BOPS). Now imagine that a piece of hot metal with a diameter of about 25 mm and a length of about 100 mm crashes into the relatively thin roof armor at a speed of 2,5 km / s. And its mass is not 102 grams, as you wrote - 102 mm is the diameter of the cumulative funnel before it is compressed. And the mass there should be at least a kilogram (if the mass of the warhead is 1,8 kilos, this is just the explosive and the lining of the funnel). Although, it is easy to accurately calculate the mass - a cylinder 100 mm long with a diameter of 25 mm made of copper. Calculate the energy yourself, is it still not enough for you?

          Such a core will penetrate not only the thin armor of the roof, but also home-made collective farm attachments like birdhouses from the corners. It is most likely that only DZ can become it.

          NLAW is a pretty good weapon. In general, the Swedes rarely have something crooked. I would call it not an ATGM, but a high-precision grenade launcher. What are its advantages? The fact that all corrections (range to the target, target speed, wind, temperature) before firing for the shooter is taken by automatics. Firstly, it seriously increases the accuracy of shooting even at a stationary target, and secondly, it greatly reduces the requirements for preparing a grenade launcher. Literally after a couple of hours of theory and "feeling with the handles" you will most likely be able to not only shoot from it, but it is also very likely that you will even hit it. From RPG-7, for example. shooting (and even more so hitting) will be much more difficult and several hours for preparation will not be enough for sure.

          Quote: boriz
          That is, flying over the roof, it should explode directly above it (but without guidance, at a distance specified by the sight at the time of aiming)

          According to the mode, attack the target from above. The missile has an optical and magnetic target sensor. Flying over a large mass of iron (which is a tank or other armored vehicle) at a given range, the fuse will work. Not only the range is set by the sight, the rocket itself understands that it is already above the target.

          And the British are probably giving away those complexes whose designated shelf life is about to expire. After that, you can no longer use them, according to the instructions.
          1. Horon
            Horon
            -2
            30 January 2022 14: 14
            approx. 25 mm in diameter and approx. 100 mm long

            This is no longer a ball, if that. Try to throw a bag of gravel on the roof of the tank and shoot out of this "super device" ... No thanks. hi
        3. Dear sofa expert.
          Dear sofa expert.
          0
          30 January 2022 18: 56
          It has no cumulative charge. No jet. He will not break through anything at close range, except for the country barn.
          Read the description thoughtfully at least in the wiki. Surprise yourself.
          And it costs much more than an RPG.

          Here, I found a good description of this weapon.
          Read, maybe your opinion will change to a more objective one.

          http://foto-i-mir.ru/nlaw-sweden/
      2. Mikhail L.
        Mikhail L.
        -1
        29 January 2022 21: 36
        Modernized Russian tanks received protection from being hit from above.
        In principle, there is no absolute weapon.
        For example: in 1945, the Germans defending Berlin had ... 3 million (!) Panzerfausts (faustpatrons) and the motivation to fight. The result is known!
        1. boriz
          boriz
          0
          29 January 2022 21: 40
          They received protection from the grid, from the shaped charge, forcing it to work ahead of time. If this flies into a grid cell shock core, the roof, theoretically, can break through. Although without any significant consequences.
        2. Vermont
          Vermont
          -12
          30 January 2022 02: 25
          Quote: Mikhail L.
          Modernized Russian tanks received protection from being hit from above.
          In principle, there is no absolute weapon.
          For example: in 1945, the Germans defending Berlin had ... 3 million (!) Panzerfausts (faustpatrons) and the motivation to fight. The result is known!

          Well, they threw corpses, as always. Who considered the "effectiveness" of the offensive there? The order to "take at any cost" has always existed. It is clear that during the "defense of Berlin", already at the end of the war there, the balance of forces was probably 1 to 100 ... The Germans clearly had no chance. If you fight according to the principle "we will not stand up for the price" and "women are still giving birth", then at least you will defeat someone.
          1. Alex Orlov
            Alex Orlov
            +4
            30 January 2022 10: 06
            Quote: Vermon
            Well, they threw corpses, as always.

            The losses of the Red Army during the Berlin operation amounted to 78 thousand killed. The Germans tentatively (their loss accounting system was destroyed along with the entire control system) lost 114 thousand killed, 3-4 times more captured. And this is taking into account the fact that urban battles are very bloody, especially for attackers. And who threw corpses at whom? Aren't we tired of humiliating our grandfathers?
            1. Mikhail L.
              Mikhail L.
              +2
              30 January 2022 10: 34
              Dear, what do you want from a gossip whose "irrefutable arguments" boil down to the word "probably"?
      3. Alex Orlov
        Alex Orlov
        -1
        30 January 2022 10: 16
        Why, good thing. This is an alternative to RPG, not ATGM. Melee weapons, especially dangerous in cities.
        Don't underestimate this thing.

        They were supplied precisely as an anti-tank weapon, but in fact, it is only suitable against armored personnel carriers / infantry fighting vehicles. And in cities ... in cities everything is dangerous. Even a stone, aptly thrown from a roof, can beat a general.
    3. Dear sofa expert.
      Dear sofa expert.
      +4
      29 January 2022 22: 28
      This is bullshit!

      Not exactly bullshit. This thing was designed specifically for close urban combat. The advantage of this “faustpatron” is precisely in the possibility of using it at a minimum distance (20 m.) But it also works effectively at 400 m. For the city, these parameters are ideal.

      Another thing is that the tactics of warfare in the city have changed dramatically .. Here we must pay tribute. The experience gained in Syria is invaluable: the Tank has changed its "image" dramatically. Now this is not a "shield" for the infantry, but vice versa. "Large sniper rifle", working on target designations of the reconnaissance group fired forward.

      There is no homing, or just pointing.

      There is both. Read carefully.
      1. boriz
        boriz
        -4
        29 January 2022 22: 39
        Unlike classic ATGMs, the grenade launcher cannot somehow control the missile after it has been launched, and the missile itself cannot track the target, like, for example, the Javelin ATGM missile. If the target after the launch of the missile changes its direction of movement or stops unexpectedly, then the missile will continue to fly to the meeting point calculated during launch.

        Well, how else?
        1. Dear sofa expert.
          Dear sofa expert.
          -1
          29 January 2022 22: 43
          Well, how else?

          original sources.

          Well, at least a wiki from NATO countries
          1. boriz
            boriz
            -2
            29 January 2022 22: 47
            Specify better.
            1. Dear sofa expert.
              Dear sofa expert.
              -1
              29 January 2022 22: 52
              Specify better.

              Well, for example:

              …NLAW verwendet ein zweistufiges Feststoffraketentriebwerk. Die erste Stufe stößt die Rakete aus dem Startbehälter und beschleunigt die Rakete auf rund 40 m/s. In sicherer Entfernung zündet die zweite Stufe und beschleunigt die Rakete auf rund 200 m/s.[1] Während des Fluges hält die Lenkwaffe ihren vorprogrammierten Kurs mittels des Trägheitsnavigationssystems bei und fliegt auf den vorgängig ermittelten Kollisionspunkt zu…

              https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NLAW
              1. Dear sofa expert.
                Dear sofa expert.
                +1
                29 January 2022 22: 59
                Während des Fluges hält die Lenkwaffe ihren vorprogrammierten Kurs mittels des Trägheitsnavigationssystems bei und fliegt auf den vorgängig ermittelten Kollisionspunkt zu…

                During flight, the guided weapon maintains a pre-programmed course using an inertial navigation system and flies to a predetermined point of impact...
                1. boriz
                  boriz
                  -3
                  29 January 2022 23: 06
                  This is not government or self-government. This is compensation for external influences, such as wind. Changes in target movement parameters are not taken into account in any way.
                  Yes, I missed the optoelectronic fuse myself. He was in my source.
                  But aiming at the target (and not at the theoretically calculated point) is missing.
                  By the way, this is what the comment below says.
                  1. Dear sofa expert.
                    Dear sofa expert.
                    0
                    29 January 2022 23: 44
                    This is not government or self-government. This is compensation for external influences, such as wind.

                    Not really. There is more written.

                    Um die Rakete zu starten, muss der Schütze das Ziel anvisieren. Ist das Ziel im Fadenkreuz, aktiviert er mit einem Schalter die Zielverfolgungseinheit. Die Zielverfolgungs- und Rechnereinheit verfügt über eine umfangreiche Sensorik, welche Neigungswinkel, Verkantungswinkel, Zieldistanz, Zielbewegung, Munitionstemperatur sowie die Winkelgeschwindigkeit zum Ziel ermittelt.

                    To launch a rocket, the shooter must aim at the target. If the target is in the crosshair, it activates the target tracking unit with a switch. The target tracking and computer unit has extensive sensors that determine pitch, pitch, target distance, target movement, ammunition temperature, and angular velocity toward the target.

                    Der Schütze muss daher nicht den Vorhalt ermitteln und die Seitenabweichung sowie die Schussdistanz nicht berücksichtigen. Innerhalb von 2–3 Sekunden werden die nötigen Zielparameter ermittelt sowie der Flugweg errechnet.[5] Danach wird der Abzug freigegeben und die Rakete kann gestartet werden.

                    Thus, the shooter is not required to determine the reservation and does not have to consider lateral deflection and shooting distance. Within 2-3 seconds, the necessary target parameters are determined and the flight path is calculated. The trigger is then released and the rocket can be launched.

                    NLAW verwendet ein zweistufiges Feststoffraketentriebwerk. Die erste Stufe stößt die Rakete aus dem Startbehälter und beschleunigt die Rakete auf rund 40 m/s. In sicherer Entfernung zündet die zweite Stufe und beschleunigt die Rakete auf rund 200 m/s. Kursabweichungen durch Wettereinflüsse werden automatisch korrigiert.

                    NLAW uses a two-stage solid propellant rocket engine. The first stage pushes the rocket out of the launch container and accelerates the rocket to about 40 m/s. At a safe distance, the second stage ignites and accelerates the rocket to about 200 m/s. During flight, the GUIDED weapon maintains a pre-programmed course using an inertial navigation system and flies to a predetermined point of impact. Parameter deviations due to weather influences are automatically corrected.

                    And here's another. You mentioned there..

                    Der Modus OTA kommt bei der Bekämpfung von Kampfpanzern oder Zielen, die sich hinter Deckungen befinden, zum Einsatz. Hierbei fliegt die Rakete rund 1 m über der Ziellinie und detoniert nach Auslösung durch den optomagnetischen Annäherungszünder über dem Ziel.

                    The OTA mode is used to deal with main battle tanks or targets behind cover. Here, the rocket flies approximately 1m over the finish line and explodes over the target after being fired by an opto-magnetic proximity igniter.
                    1. boriz
                      boriz
                      -4
                      29 January 2022 23: 51
                      The whole point is that the rocket flies to a "preset" point. Without taking into account changes in the parameters of the target. The target can stop, drive up a hillock, into a hole, turn aside. Arrows are unable to make adjustments.
                      I didn’t find it anywhere, but the determination of the range to the target is probably done by a laser. And this has long been learned to fend off. The tanks are equipped with laser radiation sensors, with the consequences quite predictable. For the shooter.
                      1. Dear sofa expert.
                        Dear sofa expert.
                        0
                        30 January 2022 00: 06
                        The whole point is that the rocket flies to a "preset" point. Without taking into account changes in the parameters of the target.

                        No

                        If the target is in the crosshair, it activates the target tracking unit with a switch. The target tracking and computer unit have extensive sensors that determine the tilt angle, distance to the target, target movement, ammunition temperature, and angular velocity to the target.

                        A rocket speed of 200 m / s when working at its usual 400 m does not make it possible even for a moving (towards) target to evade defeat.

                        And in the conditions of street fighting, it all becomes not so important.

                        The weapon meets its purpose in full, and is definitely not bullshit. It shouldn't be underestimated.
                      2. Half a hundred second
                        Half a hundred second
                        -5
                        30 January 2022 11: 50
                        Quote: Dear sofa expert.
                        The weapon meets its purpose in full, and is definitely not bullshit

                        Answers. And not bullshit, of course. The Swedes rarely did bullshit. For combat in urban conditions, it is quite a sound thing. Accurate grenade launcher. Moreover, with anti-mass, i.e. theoretically, it is possible to shoot from enclosed spaces of a small volume, where conventional grenade launchers are not applicable due to "exhaust"
                      3. Dear sofa expert.
                        Dear sofa expert.
                        0
                        30 January 2022 12: 02
                        For combat in urban conditions, it is quite a sound thing.

                        I wrote the same at the very beginning.

                        Not exactly bullshit. This thing was designed specifically for close urban combat. The advantage of this “faustpatron” is precisely in the possibility of using it at a minimum distance (20 m.) But it also works effectively at 400 m. For the city, these parameters are ideal.
                      4. boriz
                        boriz
                        -1
                        30 January 2022 13: 19
                        The sight analyzes the movement of the target for 3 seconds, makes a prediction of its movement. This is where it all ends.
                        This device is called in many posts grenade launcher.
                        It is outrageous that it is positioned as a "Javelin to a minimum". In fact, this is an RPG with a good aim.
                        Moreover, its performance characteristics do not justify its price.
                        And it's pointless to talk about tank battles in urban conditions. After Grozny (and even then, "thanks" to Pasha Mercedes), it would never occur to anyone.
                        And fighting in European cities in WWII taught smart people about tank battles in the city.
                      5. Dear sofa expert.
                        Dear sofa expert.
                        0
                        30 January 2022 13: 27
                        The sight analyzes the movement of the target for 3 seconds, makes a prediction of its movement. This is where it all ends.

                        Then explain to everyone why the IMU (Inertial Measurement Unit) in INS works in the "continuous time" mode of the entire rocket flight, if everything ends at the "3-second" sight?)
                      6. boriz
                        boriz
                        0
                        30 January 2022 13: 38
                        To counter external influences. Wind type.
                        The very name of the system "inertial" indicates that the rocket is not controlled by the operator after launch, but is intended to direct it to a predetermined point.
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                      8. Dear sofa expert.
                        Dear sofa expert.
                        0
                        30 January 2022 13: 49
                        To counter external influences. Wind type.

                        ))) Boris, I propose to end the dispute, otherwise the whole Sunday will pass))
                      9. Horon
                        Horon
                        -2
                        30 January 2022 14: 35
                        Then explain to everyone why the IMU (Inertial Measurement Unit) in INS works in

                        Compensation for external influences on a change in the original trajectory, as it were. In household drones, the same systems are installed, but no one will raise a hand to convict them of recognizing and classifying targets.
                      10. Bitter
                        Bitter
                        0
                        30 January 2022 21: 31
                        After the target is loaded and the charge has gone, all that remains is to pray that this charge, the crew of the combat vehicle, sees and already reacts correctly. In urban conditions, and indeed in others, it will not be easy to dodge, a tank is not an infantryman. When used correctly, a very dangerous and effective thing. It is in the cinema that such moments last "eternity", and in life sometimes it takes longer to count up to three. Calculations on someone else's stupidity and their own invulnerability are often fraught with consequences.
                      11. Dear sofa expert.
                        Dear sofa expert.
                        0
                        30 January 2022 13: 31
                        And it's pointless to talk about tank battles in urban conditions. After Grozny (and even then, "thanks" to Pasha Mercedes), it would never occur to anyone.

                        After Grozny, there is a wealth of experience in the use of armored vehicles in Syria. I already wrote about this above. Completely different battle tactics.
                      12. Horon
                        Horon
                        -2
                        30 January 2022 14: 30
                        If the target is in the crosshair, it activates the target tracking unit with a switch. The target tracking and computer unit have extensive sensors that determine the tilt angle, distance to the target, target movement, ammunition temperature, and angular velocity to the target.

                        Re-read carefully. Before the launch, the point of impact is calculated by range and by angular velocity of movement. After launch, the rocket rushes to the calculated point. Nowhere is there an indication of target recognition during flight and movement towards the target. There is only an indication that the missile is moving towards the calculated point and that the target and its trajectory are being determined before launch, indicating the guidance time. For homing ammunition, there is no need to calculate the intersection point, they just go to the target in real time and approach it from a known direction.
                      13. Vermont
                        Vermont
                        -2
                        30 January 2022 02: 32
                        Quote: boriz
                        The whole point is that the rocket flies to a "preset" point. Without taking into account changes in the parameters of the target. The target can stop, drive up a hillock, into a hole, turn aside. Arrows are unable to make adjustments.

                        It cannot be that the missile of this ATGM is not aimed at the target on its own using the "thermal imager" or in some other way. Otherwise, it's not fire-and-forget. This is a normal RPG. That one also just "flies to a predetermined point" ... Moreover, how can it explode "above the target", as it is written in the description? The gunner "aims" for 400 meters at a point 1 meter above the tank, so what? Some bullshit....
                      14. Half a hundred second
                        Half a hundred second
                        -5
                        30 January 2022 11: 43
                        Quote: Vermon
                        Otherwise, it's not fire-and-forget. It's a regular RPG

                        So RPG is "fire and forget". Although this term is used in relation to guided weapons. An ordinary bullet is also "fired and forgotten", no one says that?

                        Quote: Vermon
                        Moreover, how can it explode "above the target", as it is written in the description?

                        the missile has magnetic and optical target sensors. The tank is a big piece of iron

                        Quote: Vermon
                        The gunner "aims" for 400 meters at a point 1 meter above the tank, so what?

                        no, the gunner aims at the tank and guides it continuously, holding the crosshairs on it for at least 3 seconds. During this time, the computer calculates the parameters of the target - range, speed, direction. Calculates the predicted meeting point of the missile with the target and programs the "autopilot". If the "attack from above" mode is selected, then the trajectory is programmed several meters above the aiming point, if the "attack from the front" mode is selected, then the trajectory is programmed without exceeding, the magnetic fuse is not activated, the contact fuse will work.
                      15. Horon
                        Horon
                        -1
                        30 January 2022 14: 39
                        Minus apparently people who are technically illiterate or the owners of these "wonder devices" laughing
                      16. Half a hundred second
                        Half a hundred second
                        -4
                        30 January 2022 17: 05
                        Apparently) I don't care)
                      17. Half a hundred second
                        Half a hundred second
                        -2
                        30 January 2022 12: 04
                        Quote: boriz
                        go to the hillock, into the pit

                        Need to be on time. If the "attack from above" mode is selected, then hiding in the pit will not help much.

                        Quote: boriz
                        I didn’t find it anywhere, but the determination of the range to the target is probably done by a laser.

                        for sure. There is no cheaper way

                        Quote: boriz
                        And this has long been learned to fend off. The tanks are equipped with laser radiation sensors, with the consequences quite predictable. For the shooter.

                        stand then they stand, on modern tanks. But how does the system work? If the laser beam "smeared" on the sensor installed on the tank (there are from 2 to 4 of them), a signal will be generated accordingly. If the "automatic" mode is on, the tower will be deployed in the direction of radiation and aerosol grenades will be fired. It's in theory. And how will it be in practice? How do you imagine in the city the constant "bang" of these firecrackers (which, by the way, are a limited number), and even in the immediate vicinity of the infantry? I think that the system will simply be transferred to the "manual" mode, in which it will only "beep", or even turn off completely. Just like the pilots with the Bereza SPO do - if they shoot decoys with automatic weapons for each sneeze, it will be another circus. And "Birch" squeaks constantly, even from civilian radars. So the tank system will constantly squeal. Now there are a dime a dozen.
                      18. Dear sofa expert.
                        Dear sofa expert.
                        0
                        30 January 2022 17: 11
                        The whole point is that the rocket flies to a "preset" point. Without taking into account changes in the parameters of the target. The target can stop, drive up a hillock, into a hole, turn aside. Arrows are unable to make adjustments.

                        No shooter, can't, but we're discussing yours too:

                        ..There is no homing….

                        i.e. you claim that:

                        Not quite clear. That is, flying over the roof, it must explode directly above it (but without guidance, at a distance specified by the sight at the time of aiming) and throw the impact core down into the roof. Then he can penetrate 50 mm of armor. And if the tank turns a little to the side during this time?

                        But NLAW has two options (to choose from) targeting.

                        The first one is DA (direct attack)
                        This is exactly what you are talking about when you talk about “aiming for 3 seconds, and then, only “corrections for the wind”.

                        But there is a second one - OTA (overfly top attack) This is exactly when you see the target directly, and you cannot use the "smart aim". For example, the goal is hidden behind some kind of fortification.

                        So. To do this, the rocket is equipped with the so-called "Opticomagnetic proximity fuse". This, too, is a kind of attribute of the homing system. When flying over the alleged object of attack, the igniter is triggered. Therefore, it was mine - “not quite” - I see it that way.

                        PS The cumulative charge (yes, exactly like that!) of this missile penetrates not 50 (according to your statement), but 500 mm of armor. When hitting from above (OTA - overfly top attack) this is more than enough to hit the tank.
                        And since in this case you use the OTA option, then logically the tank does not drive, but stands behind the fortification, and certainly will not “turn a little to the side” anywhere

                        NLAW - it's not, it's not "bullshit" at all, it's a very serious weapon.
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                        30 January 2022 21: 44
                        Where do they take you so that you are not even able to understand what you read. But a lot has been written about this grenade launcher, in black in Russian. The point is small - to understand what is written.

                        Quote: Dear sofa expert.
                        NLAW has two options (to choose from) targeting

                        he has two modes of constructing the rocket trajectoryrather than self-management.

                        Quote: Dear sofa expert.
                        The first one is DA (direct attack)

                        direct attack - "direct attack". This is when the rocket will go without exceeding the target, and the contact fuse will be activated

                        Quote: Dear sofa expert.
                        OTA (overfly top attack)

                        overfly top attack - literally top attack span. This is when the missile goes to the target along the trajectory in excess and the non-contact fuse (target sensor) will be activated.

                        Quote: Dear sofa expert.
                        This is just when you directly see the target, and you cannot use the "smart aim"

                        nonsense. In both cases - both in DA mode and in OTA mode - the target (or part of it) must be observed visually. Otherwise, the sight will not calculate the range to the target, will not be able to calculate its speed and, accordingly, will not be able to calculate the predicted point to which to guide the missile and program the INS in the proper way. Those. you will definitely miss.)

                        Quote: Dear sofa expert.
                        To do this, the rocket is equipped with the so-called "Opticomagnetic proximity fuse". This, too, is a kind of attribute of the homing system.

                        this is not an attribute of the guidance system. This sensor does not and cannot help in guiding the missile. He only issues a command to undermine the warhead - this is a non-contact fuse.

                        Quote: Dear sofa expert.
                        The cumulative charge (yes, exactly like that!) of this missile penetrates not 50 (according to your statement), but 500 mm of armor.

                        it doesn't penetrate that much. Armor penetration of the shock core (here is not a kumjet, but a shock core) is half the diameter of the copper lining of the charge. Those. if the funnel lining is copper, then the NLAW armor penetration will be approximately 0,5 of 102 mm (this is the declared diameter of the NLAW funnel) - about 50 mm. It is quite enough to break through the roof, but no 500 mm can physically be there.

                        You are not only unable to master the description of a grenade launcher, but you do not know anything about cumulative ammunition either.

                        However, if you are a ukrvoyak and they explained it to you in the courses, as you write here, then I’m only glad) I won’t dissuade you of anything more. The more ukrovoinov do not get anywhere or cripple themselves when using this contraption, the better))
                      20. Dear sofa expert.
                        Dear sofa expert.
                        -1
                        30 January 2022 23: 45
                        Here it is in German:

                        Die Durchschlagsleistung wird mit mindestens 500 mm RHA angegeben.

                        https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NLAW

                        Here you are in Russian:

                        With a declared armor penetration of 500 mm, this makes it possible to reliably hit even the most armored vehicles. At the same time, lightly armored targets are hit by a direct hit.

                        http://foto-i-mir.ru/nlaw-sweden/ ВТС «БАСТИОН» A.V.Karpenko
                        read and enjoy if you have nothing else to do.

                        However, if you ukrvoyaka….

                        And then Ostap suffered.))

                        I already feel sorry for you. Who messed up your brain like that?
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                        31 January 2022 00: 19
                        It is not my fault that neither you, who did not write the lines you cited, have any idea what a shock core is and what kind of penetration it has. Or they made a trite mistake in zero, and the rest reprinted without thinking.
                        What is the armor penetration of the impact core, I have already described in the commentary. I can repeat:

                        If in a conventional shaped charge about 75% of the mass of the facing is converted into a pestle, then in a charge with an impact core - up to 95%. Unlike a cumulative jet, which maintains relative armor penetration over a length of tens of initial charge diameters, the impact core retains its speed at a distance of about a thousand initial charge diameters.

                        After compression, the pestle has a diameter of about a quarter of the diameter of the initial charge and a length of about one diameter (that is, it has an elongated shape). The speed of the impact core is more than 2,5 km / s, significantly exceeding the speed of the BOPS. At the same time, the armor penetration of the shock core is maintained at distances of tens of meters. According to empirical relations, the armor penetration of the impact core, determined by the thickness of the steel armor, is half the diameter of the charge for facing the charge of copper

                        You have a strange logic - your quotes are correct, but mine are not? Or maybe vice versa?
                        The fact that the core is not physically capable of penetrating hundreds of mm of steel is indirectly confirmed by the data of the Soviet SPBE Motiv-3M, which is more powerful than the warhead of the Swedish grenade launcher. The diameter of the SPBE is 185 mm, the diameter of the funnel is approximately 150 mm, the weight of the warhead is 4,5 kg, the armor penetration is 70 (seventy) mm of homogeneous armor. There are no 500 or 700, although the warhead is more powerful.

                        The difference between these two methods - a cumulative jet or a core - lies in the fact that an ammunition with a cumulative jet needs direct contact with the target - the cumulative jet pierces a lot, but also disintegrates very quickly with increasing distance. The impact core penetrates much less, but such ammunition does not need direct contact with the target - for example, it can hit it from above into the roof, simply flying over the target, and at a decent distance - up to tens of meters. Anti-aircraft mines and anti-helicopter mines with an impact core work in the same way.

                        The cumulative funnel at NLAW is directed downwards. Therefore, there are only two ways to hit a target - this is either a downward impact core, or a high-explosive impact from undermining the explosive charge of the warhead when the target is hit by a direct hit. Since in this case the core does not affect the target, the defeat is carried out only by a high-explosive action - i.e. can break through relatively thin armor. With a direct hit on a modern NLAW tank, it will not cause much harm to it. That is why his main mode is an attack on the aisle (from above)

                        Your irritation betrays the fact that you are extremely wrong, and you yourself already understand that. And you and your accomplices can continue to put minuses - I don't care about them - it only shows your inferiority. There is not enough ability to outplay in a dispute - so at least so, with a minus "to do") Kindergarten)) Only an inadequate person can put a minus on a correct and adequate comment. Well, or just deeply offended. You seem to be offended?
                      22. Dear sofa expert.
                        Dear sofa expert.
                        -1
                        31 January 2022 00: 44
                        It is not my fault that neither you, who did not write the lines you cited, have any idea what a shock core is and what kind of penetration it has.

                        Strong!)
                        It's just like: WE, Nicholas II.)

                        Your irritation betrays the fact that you are extremely wrong,

                        Yes, not only me, but ALL those whose “lines” I cited as an example.)
                        Well, OK. Then here is THEM ALL, write there. Well, what would not write any crap. Well, what would I (and everyone else) have where to get the correct information.

                        Only an inadequate person can put a minus on a correct and adequate comment. Well, or just deeply offended. You seem to be offended?

                        Do you really think that all your troubles are in me?)

                        Go through all your posts and see how many “inadequate people” downvote you here. You will probably say again - they are all idiots, "accomplices" and you don't care about cons. Your business.
                        But that won't solve your problem.
                        Reconsider first of all your arrogant-boorish behavior.
                        Otherwise, you will simply be “trampled” here.
                      23. Dear sofa expert.
                        Dear sofa expert.
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                        31 January 2022 16: 50
                        it doesn't penetrate that much. The armor penetration of the shock core (here, not the cumjet, but the shock core) is half the diameter of the copper lining of the charge. Those. if the funnel lining is copper, then the NLAW armor penetration will be approximately 0,5 of 102 mm (this is the declared diameter of the NLAW funnel) - about 50 mm. It is quite enough to break through the roof, but no 500 mm can physically be there.

                        For axial stretching of the jet, a funnel with a variable taper angle, with a variable wall thickness, is used in the ammunition. In this case, the armor penetration of the ammunition can exceed 9 charge diameters.
                        Here you have 500 mm.

                        In addition, these “millimeters” are rather arbitrary, since armor penetration is measured in the conventional format (equivalent) RHA (rolled homogeneous armour), with a conditional hardness of the armor plate 28-34 HRS (Hardness Rockwell), and without taking into account other factors (HRS- e) reinforcement of armor resistance - from distance to contact angle, etc.
                        In addition, HRS 28-34 is not much. There is also much stronger armor. In view of these various factors, penetration is very conditional.

                        You are not only unable to master the description of a grenade launcher, but you do not know anything about cumulative ammunition either.

                        I return it to you until your next "smart argument"
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                        Quote: Dear sofa expert.
                        For axial stretching of the jet, a funnel with a variable taper angle, with a variable wall thickness, is used in the ammunition. In this case, the armor penetration of the ammunition can exceed 9 charge diameters.
                        Here you have 500 mm

                        In NLAW, there is no jet, there is a core. And that's it. These are two different things, although for the formation of both, a cumulative funnel is needed, only of a different shape. You are not talking about that again. The cumulative jet pierces 8-9 or more funnel diameters, and the core - 1/2.
                        When you talk about the armor penetration of the "Cornet", for example, then you will give your "9 charge diameters" If the NLAW were equipped with a funnel oriented along the axis of the rocket and the defeat would be provided by a kumjet, its armor penetration could reach 700 mm. But the choice was made in favor of the core. for the possibility of hitting targets from above.
                        (armor penetration leads to homogeneous steel armor, this is clear even to amateurs, therefore I don’t focus on it, this is implied a priori)
                        I have already written about the disadvantages and advantages of each method of defeat (with a cum jet or a core).

                        All for sim. The network is full of smart books, you can read them yourself.
                      25. Half a hundred second
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                        PS What was required to prove, and with what you began to argue yesterday.

                        Quote: Dear sofa expert.
                        look how many "inadequate people" you are downvoted here. You will probably say again - they are all idiots, "accomplices"

                        You do not get tired of proving it for the second day. Should I name them? You know one such person, you see it in the mirror every day. Two more are also known. I already wrote - either they are inadequate, or they cannot forgive the offense because they (they themselves!) Know less than me. so you have to be angry with yourself, I didn’t participate in your education, if you don’t know, it’s your fault, but as soon as I tried to participate, I received aggression in response. And you call this adequacy?

                        I told:

                        Quote: Half a century and a half
                        And you and your accomplices can continue to put minuses - I don't care about them - it only shows your inferiority. There is not enough ability to outplay in a dispute - so anyway, with a minus "to do") Kindergarten)) Only an inadequate person can put a minus on a correct and adequate comment. Or just deeply offended.

                        Actually, you and your comrades" this only confirms. An absolutely correct, adequate, sane comment was given to you in response - and I expectedly see a minus. You are twisting your own brains, and not others, this is useless populism and publicity. I see right through you. And he wrote absolutely right - it’s just the desire to win the argument and dunk the counterpart at all costs plays in you.

                        That's just I, in order not to get into a mess, I write only about what I knowthat is familiar with what he was dealing with. And I will be silent in the topic in which I do not know and which is not familiar. I am familiar with some weapons, due to the specifics of work and service. Or it was just very interesting what our "partners" were armed with, and I studied their technique without frills and embellishments, as it is. And if this is not close to me - for example, the problems of strawberry breeding or the rutting of jerboas - I will not be interested, and I will not go into this topic with my "valuable comments" either. Or I will be interested in what and how, if I notice a more competent, experienced and knowledgeable person. Feel free to share knowledge and experience) If I wrote something erroneous, I publicly admit the mistake, because it is impossible to know everything physically. It is not shameful not to know something - it is shameful not to know, but to prove one's wrong by hook or by crook. Everyone who has something in their head understands this. They do not strive to know everything - they strive to become specialists in their field, let other specialists do the rest. You, as I see it, are everywhere and in everything dock) Such a specialist who is not a specialist anywhere. This is not for you personally, it is generally about such people.

                        What did this grenade launcher surrender to you for? If you were interested in what and how - really interesting, not ostentatious - you yourself would know everything about it and try to understand, and listen to the comments. What is not clear - asked. And if only in order to win the argument and "dunk everyone" - it's just ridiculous, the kindergarten "Sun", a nursery group. You act like the web is real life to you. Is there really nothing more? If you turn to proverbs - as if you lost a cow. Firstly, you should be more careful in choosing topics for comments (I repeat - it’s impossible to know everything), and secondly, one must have the dignity and honor to admit wrong. Basically just being human. In modern times, this is apparently a rarity, it is very difficult, and not everyone can handle it..
                      26. Dear sofa expert.
                        Dear sofa expert.
                        -1
                        31 January 2022 21: 13
                        What did this grenade launcher surrender to you for? If you were interested in what and how - really interesting, and not ostentatious - you yourself would know everything about him and try to understand

                        I already wanted to answer you normally for your amendment with the core, and again this is sheer rudeness.

                        Then, to you, what this grenade launcher surrendered to) What are you, a grenade launcher? Or are you just looking for a conflict with everyone here?

                        You draw your, so to speak, “knowledge” from the Internet, from “Wikipedia”, and there, whoever wants, writes. Here you are wisely advising;

                        The network is full of smart books, you can read them yourself.

                        Apparently you've already read them. And they also write differently. And the information is often very contradictory.

                        Look, there is such an opinion, by the way:

                        The latest modification of the NLAW (Next Generation Light Anti-tank Weapon) ATGM, designed in the mid-2000s by Saab Bofors Dynamics Ltd. as part of a competition to create a promising RPG for the British Army….

                        and further, WARNING!:

                        NLAW anti-tank missiles are equipped with highly sensitive non-contact magnetic fuses, optoelectronic homing heads (operating in the IR / TV or laser-beam ranges), as well as modern digital inertial navigation systems based on miniature solid-state transverse and longitudinal acceleration sensors (MEMS accelerometers) and similar gyroscopes. Magnetic fuses and optoelectronic seekers provide filigree accurate operation of the NLAW ATGM warhead immediately at the moment the latter enters the upper hemisphere of the attacked target (the most vulnerable part). In this case, it is the magnetic sensor that identifies the minimum disturbance of the earth's magnetic field caused by the ferromagnetic body of the attacked object, and then initiates the detonator of the missile warhead. The optical-electronic seeker, on the other hand, provides identification and "capture" of the optical silhouette, or infrared "portrait" of the attacked object in the terminal (final) section of the trajectory with an accuracy of 0,7-0,5 m.

                        https://eadaily.com/ru/ampnews/2022/01/20/blizoruki-no-opasny-chem-grozit-postavka-kievu-britanskih-ptrk-nlaw

                        Nonsense? Maybe .. who knows .. especially against the background of all that "true information" received by all (and you in particular) the local "experts" from "Wikipedia").

                        But if you still make an effort on yourself and try to delve into the first words in the text I have highlighted:

                        Last modification ATGM NLAW (Next Generation Light Anti-tank Weapon)

                        Everything can fall into place very quickly.

                        Are you personally sure that the information that you (and I, unfortunately, by the way, too) diligently read in Wikipedia is about the LATEST MODIFICATION?

                        Personally, I'm not sure anymore. Just as I'm not sure that the words "last modification" are written by accident.

                        Therefore, if I were you, I would not be so "excited" here with my "great knowledge". You have exactly as many of them as you have “noodles” hung on your (and our) ears here.

                        And even more so, I do not advise you to hang labels on people whom you do not know at all.

                        To make it clear which of the two of us is who, take a look at my profile, and compare my "user authority" with your own (which is not particularly convincing).

                        You have it.

                        Good luck to you!
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                      42. Half a hundred second
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                        Quote: Dear sofa expert.
                        You draw your, so to speak, "knowledge" from the Internet, from "Wikipedia"

                        you are free to think whatever you like, where do I get my knowledge from, where - I have already written. But you have to twist my words. You don't need the truth, it hurts.

                        Quote: Dear sofa expert.
                        NLAW anti-tank missiles are equipped with highly sensitive proximity magnetic fuses

                        which I told you about, although you mistook them for a homing system

                        Quote: Dear sofa expert.
                        as well as modern digital inertial navigation systems

                        which you also took for a homing system

                        Quote: Dear sofa expert.
                        Magnetic fuses and optoelectronic seeker

                        GOS is already a translation defect. There is no homing head in the NLAV. Did the translation bother you yourself? That is why I say - that you need to UNDERSTAND what you read, and not read thoughtlessly

                        Quote: Dear sofa expert.
                        In this case, it is the magnetic sensor that identifies the minimum disturbance of the earth's magnetic field caused by the ferromagnetic body of the attacked object, and then initiates the detonator of the missile warhead. The optical-electronic seeker, on the other hand, provides identification and "capture" of the optical silhouette, or infrared "portrait" of the attacked object in the terminal (final) section of the trajectory with an accuracy of 0,7-0,5 m.

                        well, everything is correct. I was talking about that - there is a magnetic sensor that reacts to the mass of iron, and there is optics, which understands that in fact there is a certain "heap" under it. As soon as the two signals have formed, the command to undermine goes. Did you imagine it like that?

                        Quote: Dear sofa expert.
                        Nonsense?

                        nonsense is your words. And in your quote, almost everything is written correctly - adjusted for translation. Only you do not understand a little to read, you need to understand. You have already demonstrated that you do not understand - you began to confuse the cumulative jet and the impact core.

                        Quote: Dear sofa expert.
                        Are you personally sure that the information that you (and I, unfortunately, by the way, too) diligently read in Wikipedia is about the LATEST MODIFICATION?

                        what is the latest modification? And what did they put to the Ukrainian soldiers?

                        Quote: Dear sofa expert.
                        I didn’t become in your place here so “get excited”

                        only you get excited
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                      45. Bitter
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                        30 January 2022 21: 54
                        Arrows are unable to make adjustments.

                        During the time that the rocket actually flies to a target 400 meters away, nothing needs to be done. Unless you quickly and imperceptibly leave the position. If the victim saw the killer in time, there is a small chance if not. He won't even be able to pray. You will also offer the operator to send the rocket to the second circle or return to base. laughing
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                      Your opponent is absolutely right - there is no pointing or homing in NLAW. The rocket after launch does not depend on the operator in any way - i.e. there is no external control. And at the same time the rocket does not track the position of the target - i.e. and there is no homing either. What is? And there is just an inertial system, which leads the rocket to some pre-calculated point. And that's it! Those. the rocket does not care if there is a target there or not, whether they left the aiming point or not. An inertial system is not a homing system. This system only allows you to maintain the trajectory of the rocket to a predetermined point.

                      Inertial systems were used in the very first rockets, for example, the German V-2 or the Soviet, also already ancient, R-17 Elbrus (Scud) complex. You won’t say that their missiles are homing?!
                      1. Dear sofa expert.
                        Dear sofa expert.
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                        30 January 2022 11: 58
                        And there is just an inertial system that guides the rocket to some pre-calculated point.

                        Not quite.

                        The Inertial Navigation System, abbreviated as INS, is a 3-D measuring system with an inertial measurement unit. Inertial Measurement Unit (IMU) as a central sensor unit with several acceleration and rotational speed sensors. By integrating the accelerations and rotational speeds measured by the IMU, the spatial motion of the vehicle or aircraft and the corresponding geographic position from it are continuously determined in the INS. The main advantage of INS is that it can be managed without a link, i.e. regardless of location signals from the environment. The disadvantage is the inevitable drift of the sensors.

                        Wiki
                      2. Half a hundred second
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                        30 January 2022 12: 06
                        Quote: Dear sofa expert.
                        Not quite

                        what's not quite? You yourself are talking about the inertial (INS).
                      3. Dear sofa expert.
                        Dear sofa expert.
                        0
                        30 January 2022 12: 13
                        Erase what Boris wrote:

                        The whole point is that the rocket flies to a "preset" point. Without taking into account changes in the parameters of the target. The target can stop, drive up a hillock, into a hole, turn aside. Arrows are unable to make adjustments.

                        now definition by INS:

                        …Inertial Measurement Unit, IMU) as a central sensor unit with several acceleration and rotational speed sensors. By integrating the accelerations and rotational speeds measured by the IMU, the spatial motion of the vehicle or aircraft and the corresponding geographic position from it is continuously defined in INS.

                        Can you tell me what the last sentence means?

                        By the way .. since we are talking about distances from 20 to 400 meters to the target (maximum time - 2 seconds) - which "bump" will you turn to the "side"?)
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                        Quote: Dear sofa expert.
                        By the way .. since we are talking about distances from 20 to 400 meters to the target (maximum time - 2 seconds) - which "bump" will you turn to the "side"?)

                        discuss it with Boris.

                        Quote: Dear sofa expert.
                        Erase what Boris wrote:

                        The whole point is that the rocket flies to a "preset" point. Without taking into account changes in the parameters of the target. The target can stop, drive up a hillock, into a hole, turn aside. Arrows are unable to make adjustments.

                        and Boris wrote everything absolutely right. After launch, the rocket is not controlled by the operator. But it also does not have homing, because it does not track the position of the target. It (the rocket) is only trying to keep its trajectory to the point shown to it in advance. What exactly is so difficult for you to understand? You do not know how ANN works, apparently, and this is the whole problem? That is why you bring clumsily translated texts, and do not write in your own words. Once you understand what ANN is and how it works, you will no longer have any questions.

                        If you undertake to discuss something, then in this area you need to know and understand, or not argue with the obvious. you are behaving extremely strangely - you yourself do not really know, they are trying to explain to you, but you do not agree with the explanations either.
                      5. Dear sofa expert.
                        Dear sofa expert.
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                        30 January 2022 12: 45
                        That is why you bring clumsily translated texts, and do not write in your own words.

                        It is so customary here - to give "clumsily translated" texts, indicating the source. Translation, by the way, is for such "experts" like you. I don’t need a translation, I read mostly in foreign sources in the original.

                        Once you understand what an ANN is and how it works, you will immediately understand everything.

                        You didn’t even understand the purpose of the IMU (and why this “thing” works in the “permanent parameter determination” mode !!!) in this INS, although I even “clumsily translated” it for you, and marked it in bold.
                        “What” are you talking about here, “colleague”?)
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                        30 January 2022 12: 49
                        Quote: Dear sofa expert.
                        I read mostly

                        if they understood what they read, there would be no price)

                        you scribbled a lot of letters here, but you managed to lie everywhere. And with "homing", and with the launch of a rocket. Everywhere. It would be more correct for you to be called not an expert, but Xperdom.
                      7. Dear sofa expert.
                        Dear sofa expert.
                        -1
                        30 January 2022 13: 00
                        if they understood what they read, there would be no price)

                        you scribbled a lot of letters here, but you managed to lie everywhere. And with "homing", and with the launch of a rocket. Everywhere. It would be more correct for you to be called not an expert, but Iksperd.

                        Everything is clear with you.

                        People like you appear here, and quickly disappear when "user authority" graphically reaches the first letter - "A", and you are confidently moving in this direction.)
                        Good luck to you!
                      8. Horon
                        Horon
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                        30 January 2022 14: 48
                        By integrating the accelerations and rotational speeds measured by the IMU, the spatial motion of the vehicle or aircraft and the corresponding geographic position from it are continuously determined in the INS.

                        You look into the book, and you see the fruit of the common fig tree. These data are entered and calculated BEFORE the launch, after which the launch coordinates and the point to which you need to move are determined. This lasts constantly, until the rocket launches, after which only the inertial works.
      2. FrankyStein
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        30 January 2022 18: 05
        Come on, in Syria, just the tanks were punching bags, and the infantry poked around behind, but in the corners.
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  4. svoroponov
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    29 January 2022 22: 45
    The French on maneuvers in Estonia suggested protection against such missiles. Their tanks in the combat zone do not stand still, but try to move forward and backward. They try to shoot on the move or when stopping and backing up - a shot and then moving a little to the side and again forward. Plus the support of attached infantry. As far as I know, ours are working out something similar at the training grounds.
    By the way, in Ukraine, the Armed Forces of Ukraine conducted a real test of Javelin on the T-64 tank at the training ground. So, he did not break through the tower from the top. The tank remained operational.
    Well, another cherry on the cake. In the Russian army, a device appeared in service that detects the use of any optics at a distance of up to 3 km. The principle is not known to me,
    but it would be interesting to know. So the operators of American complexes may be in for a surprise for burial at the site with the complex.
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      29 January 2022 22: 59
      they are not buried, but are recorded as deserters and dragged away by dogs.
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      30 January 2022 19: 18
      Quote: svoroponov
      The Russian army has adopted a device that detects the use of any optics at a distance of up to 3 km. The principle is not known to me,
      but it would be interesting to know.

      There are such. The detection range of modern optical device detectors varies from 100 to 2500 meters. Detection of optical sighting and observation devices is provided due to the effect of retroreflection or "reverse glare". Lasers are used. The laser beam is directed in the direction of the supposed position of the sniper, and when contact with the lens of a telescopic sight or other optical device of the enemy appears, reflected energy is generated, which allows you to detect the position of the sniper. The technology is based on the use of the physical effect of retroreflection, which consists in the ability of optical systems to reflect probing radiation in the opposite direction at an angle close to the angle of its incidence, or the "cat's eye" effect. The beam is reflected from the retina of the eye or other reflective and light-scattering materials (for example, a CCD matrix). If it’s very simple, then an observer with binoculars, a sniper with a rifle with an optical sight or a video camera works like a reflector

      And then there are devices that blind snipers - using the same laser beam.
  5. oberon2000oberon
    oberon2000oberon
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    29 January 2022 23: 37
    And they don’t expect cavalry with sabers to their positions? Or a full-length bayonet attack with chains? Proudly showing off against the background of "Maxim"? Clowns.
  6. Grits
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    30 January 2022 03: 11
    And why do all NATO anti-tank systems and grenade launchers have some kind of incomprehensible bulky knobs on the outskirts of the launch tube? What is their technical functionality? Probably, so that they seem more menacing and scarier, or so that the soldier does not relax when being carried. After all, there is no such crap on Russian anti-tank systems and grenade launchers, and somehow they manage without them.
    1. Dear sofa expert.
      Dear sofa expert.
      -1
      30 January 2022 11: 25
      And why are there some incomprehensible bulky knobs on all the NATO anti-tank systems and grenade launchers along the outskirts of the launch tube?

      It seems that the muzzle of the face would remain intact. That's where the rocket takes off. There, the first stage immediately turns on.

      After all, there is no such garbage on Russian anti-tank systems and grenade launchers, and somehow they manage without them.

      On RPG 7, for example, turning on the engine 10m after the grenade was thrown.
      1. Half a hundred second
        Half a hundred second
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        30 January 2022 12: 15
        Quote: Dear sofa expert.
        There, the first stage immediately turns on.

        not right away. First the expelling charge, then the main engine. Otherwise, the muzzle of the face of the grenade launcher after the first shot would be very similar to the Negro.
        Here are the photos that show how the starting one worked (it burns out completely in the pipe), and the Javelin main engine has not yet turned on


        1. Dear sofa expert.
          Dear sofa expert.
          -2
          30 January 2022 12: 22
          not right away. First the expelling charge, then the main engine.

          No, you don't know the subject very well.

          There is no expelling charge on the NLAW (like on an RPG)
          There is a two-stage rocket:

          NLAW uses a two-stage solid rocket engine. The first stage pushes the rocket out of the launch container and accelerates the rocket to about 40 m/s. At a safe distance, the second stage ignites and accelerates the rocket to about 200 m/s

          Wiki
          1. Half a hundred second
            Half a hundred second
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            30 January 2022 12: 30
            The same ... only in profile.

            Quote: Dear sofa expert.
            The first stage pushes the rocket out of the launch container and accelerates the rocket to about 40 m/s. At a safe distance, the second stage ignites and accelerates the rocket

            The starter works in the TPK, throwing the rocket out of the container (it works out completely in the TPK), the main (main) engine is turned on at a safe distance from the shooter. What is the difference with what I wrote?
            And don't say that I don't know anything. In this case, it doesn’t matter that others know it, and even have problems with reading comprehension.
            1. Dear sofa expert.
              Dear sofa expert.
              -1
              30 January 2022 12: 34
              What is the difference with what I wrote?

              See your "difference" for yourself.

              There, the first stage immediately turns on.
              not right away. First expelling charge,

              If you don't understand the difference between the first stage of a rocket and the expelling charge, then what are we arguing about here?)
              1. Half a hundred second
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                30 January 2022 12: 41
                This is already called "to find fault with trifles" when there is nothing else to do. In fact, I wrote everything absolutely right.
                Call it whatever you like - even the starting engine, even the first stage - there is no difference. The fact is that this thing finishes working even in the TPK, and the rocket that takes off cannot damage the muzzle of the face of the grenade launcher with its "exhaust". And the marcher is already starting to work 10-15 meters from the shooter.

                If you are really an amateur, then at least do not show it so clearly)
                1. Dear sofa expert.
                  Dear sofa expert.
                  -2
                  30 January 2022 12: 54
                  This is already called "to find fault with trifles" when there is nothing else to do.

                  This is just for you:

                  Quote: Dear couch expert.
                  There, the first stage immediately turns on.

                  not right away. First the expelling charge, then the main engine.

                  Who was picking on whom?)

                  In fact, I wrote everything absolutely right.

                  Crap amateur just you write here.
                  1. Half a hundred second
                    Half a hundred second
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                    30 January 2022 17: 46
                    Quote: Dear sofa expert.
                    Who was picking on whom?)

                    naturally you. My comment was on:

                    Quote: Dear sofa expert.
                    It seems that the muzzle of the face would remain intact. That's where the rocket takes off. There the first stage immediately turns on.

                    Those. I translate into Russian: Iksperd claims that the included first stage (launcher) - no matter how you call it, the whole point is in the sense, and not in words - also works when the rocket exits the TPK? Otherwise, how can you burn the face of the face?
                    Once again - if you do not understand anything and write crookedly, then at least sometimes look in the mirror. Not only do you not have knowledge, but you still do not have the courage to admit it and tact. Most people are educated enough not to speak with a full mouth, but they are not embarrassed to do so with an empty head.. This is about you, do not thank hi
                    1. Dear sofa expert.
                      Dear sofa expert.
                      0
                      30 January 2022 18: 15
                      Those. I translate into Russian: Iksperd claims that the included first stage (launcher) - no matter how you call it, the whole point is in the sense, and not in words - also works when the rocket exits the TPK? Otherwise, how can you burn the face of the face?

                      Yes, that is right. What surprised you then?
                      The NLAW missile is two-stage. It is the jet engine of the first stage that provides the ejection from the "pipe". The jet stream can burn your stupid "muzzle of the face", which, when fired from this "faustpatron", is only 30 cm from the rocket exit. That's what the "shield" is for. The second stage is turned on later, when the rocket has retired to a safe distance for the shooter.

                      But you, as a great specialist, probably thought that NLAW works on the principle of RPG 7 - that is: a grenade launch from a grenade launcher tube provides a powder charge, and only then a jet engine is turned on at the projectile.

                      And now your misunderstanding of this topic makes you justify yourself here.)
                      1. Half a hundred second
                        Half a hundred second
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                        30 January 2022 18: 21
                        Quote: Dear sofa expert.
                        NLAW works on the principle of RPG 7 - that is: the launch of a grenade from the tube of the grenade launcher provides a powder charge, and only then the jet engine is turned on.

                        that's exactly how it works! Moreover, he also has an anti-mass. Do you know what it is and why?

                        The first stage, in order to avoid the shooter being hit by the powder gases of the rocket launched by him, works only while the rocket is moving along the transport and launch container. To reduce the exhaust temperature, there is a capsule with a special liquid, which is mixed with hot powder gases of the first stage, which allows you to launch a rocket from small rooms and significantly reduces the dangerous distance behind the launch container when fired. At a safe distance from the grenade launcher, the second stage is activated and accelerates the rocket to about 200 m / s

                        Being an expert and pretending to be a connoisseur are two different things. Now, I think, everyone understands who writes literate things, and who is nothing of himself.
                        Learn the materiel so as not to look pale and not have a spaghetti gait)
                      2. Dear sofa expert.
                        Dear sofa expert.
                        0
                        30 January 2022 18: 49
                        NLAW works on the principle of RPG 7 - that is: the launch of a grenade from the tube of the grenade launcher provides a powder charge, and only then the jet engine is turned on.

                        that's exactly how it works!

                        No not like this. You don't understand the simple difference.

                        The powder charge of the grenade launcher throws the projectile forward, out, and the entire gas stream from the powder charge, in this case, goes forward, following the grenade, that is, FROM THE FACE OF THE SHOOTER!
                        When the exit of the rocket from the “pipe” is provided by its rocket engine, then the entire exhaust of the shooter gets TO THE SIDE OF HIS FACE!
                        For this thickening in front. It's a jet blast shield.
                        Is it really that hard to understand???
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                      5. isofat
                        isofat
                        +1
                        30 January 2022 19: 17
                        Dear Couch Expertmaybe we are reading a person who has this experience. Then our dissatisfaction with the level of his comments is caused by the consequences of such an experience. Be forgiving. smile
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      30 January 2022 12: 28
      Quote: Gritsa
      And why are there some incomprehensible bulky knobs on all the NATO anti-tank systems and grenade launchers along the outskirts of the launch tube? What is their technical functionality?

      these are just plugs to protect the rocket from water, dirt, and mechanical damage. Why big? As an option, in order not to damage the pipes and the devices located on them (sight, installation location of the control unit and its connector, etc.) when using anti-tank systems
  7. Potapov
    Potapov
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    30 January 2022 08: 35
    Yes ... it is almost impossible for tanks to surrender ...
  8. Obama Barack
    Obama Barack
    +3
    30 January 2022 11: 55
    Do they still think that we will attack like on the Kursk salient? Nothing that it's already 2022?)
  9. Voldemarnikitsky
    Voldemarnikitsky
    +1
    30 January 2022 13: 16
    In 44, in Belarus, they advanced through the swamps, but here "there is no frost, the tanks will not pass." What nonsense, just who the hell needs them
  10. Crunch
    Crunch
    +2
    30 January 2022 15: 27
    Quote: boriz
    Has anyone seen the performance characteristics of this prodigy? This is bullshit!
    There is no homing, or just guidance. This is a grenade launcher with a smart sight. If the tank was driving while aiming, and stopped after the launch of the rocket, then the rocket will fly not into the tank, but to the calculated aiming point.
    The range is not 1000 m (as it is written in the post), but 600 m effective, 800 m maximum.
    The Competition has a range of 4m during the day, 000m at night. And the Competition is really ATGM.
    NLAW is rubbish. But for Zinovy ​​​​Tuzhansky - that's it.

    A gift horse in ... they look at.
  11. Mantrid Machine
    Mantrid Machine
    +2
    30 January 2022 17: 36
    I wonder if this NLAU will help from the Su-34 ... or even from the ancient Su-25? wassat ... Or are they still dreaming about tank wedges? wassat
  12. Uncle Vanya Susanin
    Uncle Vanya Susanin
    +1
    30 January 2022 18: 21
    Okay, I persuaded, we will use the videoconferencing and OTRK good
  13. a67
    a67
    0
    31 January 2022 07: 55
    ca
    a stranger will fly from the sky
    and you will have a mass grave .... nuland will wear flowers instead of cookies ...
  14. Veiko Põltsamaa
    Veiko Põltsamaa
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    31 January 2022 11: 09
    For this, the "terminator" was created so that the brave Ukrainian fighters would not burn the tanks, which will process everything that moves, so the grenade launcher is essentially a suicide, and the tank with its protection in full may not be hit with one shot, and the second time already won't let him shoot.
  15. SHEG1972
    SHEG1972
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    31 January 2022 21: 08
    Now the soil is not frozen. Tomorrow they will say in the West that Putin was afraid of the sanctions. Another American-Ukrainian victory.
  16. Half a hundred second
    Half a hundred second
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    31 January 2022 23: 05
    and also this "respected" wrote:

    Do you even understand what kind of “oil painting” you are projecting here on the site?

    do you understand? you praise the weapons of the ukrovermacht. Although it's not worth it. Who are you? I just wrote the absolute truth about this weapon, what it can and cannot do. Maybe someone will come in handy. You climbed out of your skin to pour mud on me. And now "into higher matters" has moved?
  17. oberon2000oberon
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    1 February 2022 19: 39
    Whatever you say dude. Let's cover the sun.