The resumption of production of the Tu-22M3M missile carrier will be the best response to NATO


Today, when the Kremlin first moved to a direct and open confrontation with the West, everyone is wondering what the militarytechnical Russia's response to the United States and NATO as a whole. The prospect of deploying our military bases somewhere in Cuba or Venezuela is being actively discussed, which supposedly should serve to deter the aggression of the “hegemon”. But perhaps there are other, more reliable and effective means?


In fact, there are many more Russian bases in the Caribbean that need not only to be built, but also to be guarded and regularly supplied. The Pentagon would be impressed if the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation could give a hard blow to the “long arm” of the United States, which is their most powerful navy, and also reach out to the territory of the “hegemon” itself, which requires very strong aviation, Naval and Far.

"Long Arm"


It is customary to stubbornly call our country exclusively “the great land” and prepare to repel tank wedges advancing from the west, while the real threat to the very existence of Russia comes from the sea, from American strategic nuclear submarines lurking there with Trident-2 ICBMs on board and aircraft carrier strike groups covering them. To effectively counter the AUG and successfully hunt enemy submarines, you need your own powerful aircraft carrier fleet, numerous anti-submarine aircraft and hunter submarines, but we do not have all this and, unfortunately, are not expected in the near future. The minimum program is to protect at least its coast from the US Navy and the NATO bloc as a whole, and to be able to "snap" hard.

This requires numerous naval aviation, equipped with modern aircraft. Alas, today it is in decline. The 43rd Separate Naval Assault Aviation Regiment was preserved in the Black Sea, and the 4th Separate Guards Assault Aviation Regiment was preserved in the Baltic Sea. They are armed with multifunctional Su-30SM fighters and already frankly outdated Su-24M bombers. Naval missile-carrying aviation, which really posed a threat to the American AUGs, was eliminated as a class during the Serdyukov reforms, and all of its Tu-22M3 supersonic bombers were transferred to Long-Range Aviation. Of course, one can be glad for the Russian Aerospace Forces, but for Naval Aviation this was a severe blow, from which it still has not been able to recover.

Replenishment


Undoubtedly, the attempt of the RF Ministry of Defense to create a special “weakened” version of the Su-30SM fighter can be considered a positive step. This is a 4+ generation aircraft designed to gain air supremacy. The American edition of Military Watch even flattered him, calling him one of the 6 most formidable fighters in Europe, which is capable of hitting targets at a distance of up to 400 kilometers:

The squadron of Su-30SM fighters, supplied by Russia to Belarus since 2019, provides the country's Air Force with the heaviest and longest-range fighter in Europe... The Su-30SM is the only modern fighter on the European continent that has repeatedly participated in air battles.

The Russian Ministry of Defense intends to improve the combat qualities of the aircraft in the Su-30SM2 version, which will receive powerful advanced AL-41F-1S engines from the Su-35S fighter, as well as a more powerful radar, presumably the Irbis radar. What is important for naval aviation is that the updated fighter will be able to strike enemy surface ships with two types of missiles - the supersonic Kh-31 and the subsonic Kh-35. It is reported that 46 modernized Su-30SM2s have been ordered for Naval Aviation, and 4 aircraft have already entered the Baltic Fleet.

The dynamics, as doctors say, has been positive, but there is a lot of work ahead. The updated Su-30SM2 fighter will significantly increase the ability of the Baltics and Black Seas to cover their coasts, but Russia is a country of exceptional size and coastline. Will 46 aircraft be enough for Naval Aviation?

Rebirth?


It should be recalled that before the controversial reforms of Minister of Defense Serdyukov, Tu-22M3 bombers formed the basis of the Naval Missile-Carrying Aviation of the Russian Navy. These are long-range supersonic missile carriers with variable sweep wings capable of carrying nuclear weapons. In addition, the Tu-22M3 can carry all types of air-launched cruise missiles: Kh-55, Kh-555, Kh-32, Kh-101/102, as well as promising ones - Kinzhal, GZUR and Kh-50. Even in the Soviet period, this aircraft was quite deservedly called the "killer of aircraft carriers", and even the "Eurostrategist", which allowed it to strike at targets in Europe. The presence of a special rod made it possible for the missile carrier to refuel in the air, which de facto turned it into a strategic one. For this reason, under the START treaty, the rod and pipelines had to be dismantled, but they were returned a few years ago.

The supersonic Tu-22M3 is an excellent platform for the needs of both long-range and naval missile-carrying aviation. The problem is that there are not many of them left, and production has been discontinued. It got to the point that I had to finish building four airframes that had been standing for decades in the open air at the site of the Kazan Aviation Plant in order to bring them up to the level of the Tu-22M3M. A natural question arises, if in our country they were able to resume the production of the Tu-160M2 "White Swan", then why not do the same with the Tu-22M3M?

The idea is quite tempting, since it would completely cover all the needs of Long-Range and Naval Aviation, pumping up the “far hand”. If Russia had several hundred such supersonic missile carriers in service instead of several dozen, distributed over the fleets and airfields of the Russian Aerospace Forces, this would be a truly impressive response to the NATO bloc. However, the resumption of production will rest in the absence of a power plant. The production of the Tu-22M2 and the NK-25 engine for it, at the request of the Americans, has long been discontinued, the equipment has been dismantled. Renovation of existing missile carriers had to be done by purchasing used aircraft engines and components for them in Ukraine at one time. The resumption of production of the obsolete NK-25 can hardly be considered appropriate.

However, it seems quite promising to install on Tu-22M3M supersonic bombers in an upgraded version of the NK-32-02 power plant, which is now used on the updated Tu-160M2 White Swan, which will seriously increase the performance characteristics of the Russian missile carrier.
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  1. Adler77 Offline Adler77
    Adler77 (Denis) 25 January 2022 12: 42
    +1
    Gliders are only planning to finish building, as far as I know from the media. And there are 6 in total
    The resumption of the construction of the tu22 m3 is a good idea, since nothing is visible in this area in the near future.
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 25 January 2022 13: 22
      +1
      If I'm not mistaken, 6 is together with the monument.
    2. olj49 Offline olj49
      olj49 (User) 28 January 2022 15: 52
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      The resumption of the construction of the tu22 m3 is a good idea, since nothing is visible in this area in the near future.

      So why isn't it visible?
      While the issue with engines from the Tu-160m2 is being resolved, aircraft can be taken from storage bases, after all, the aircraft were not cut under Serdyukov, but transferred to storage bases.
      By the way, if my memory serves me right, their total number is about 100 devices.
      For good, it is necessary to modernize them, all the same, I think that all the same, it will not be possible to modernize all 100, well, for various reasons.
      Well, even if you upgrade 3/4 of their number, then before the launch of their production, this problem will not be so acute.
  2. Half a hundred second (Half a half second) 25 January 2022 13: 33
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    The resumption of production of the Tu-22M3M missile carrier will be the best response to NATO

    so far they only plan to complete the construction of aircraft from the existing backlog, there are 6 of them (of which one has been turned into a monument). The main problem in the resumption of production of the Tu-22M3 is the engines. The existing stock of NK-25 is enough to maintain the existing machines in flight condition and will be enough for another 6 sides, but for the series - no more.

    First of all, it is necessary to return the in-flight refueling rods to the combat vehicles and update the avionics with "little blood".
    1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 25 January 2022 14: 51
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      The modernization of the Tu-22M3 to the Tu-22M3M standard failed. There is no distinct mood for the production under discussion. The heroism of Fuerza Aérea Argentina looms over all this. A good example.
  3. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 25 January 2022 13: 45
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    Quote: Half a century and a half
    so far they only plan to complete the construction of aircraft from the existing backlog, there are 6 of them (of which one has been turned into a monument). The main problem in the resumption of production of the Tu-22M3 is the engines. The existing stock of NK-25 is enough to maintain the existing machines in flight condition and will be enough for another 6 sides, but for the series - no more.

    It seems that I wrote the same thing. All right.
    1. Adler77 Offline Adler77
      Adler77 (Denis) 25 January 2022 13: 51
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      The monument will also fly with us :) and decommissioned in its place. The main thing is that things move, but in my opinion, it has not moved further than the conversation.
      1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
        Marzhecki (Sergei) 25 January 2022 14: 10
        +1
        In the Donbass, tanks were removed from the pedestals and started up. Not from a good life, of course.
      2. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
        gunnerminer (gunner miner) 25 January 2022 14: 39
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        This was done by the former military translator A. But. The Il-76, removed from the pedestal, was restored at his direction and allowed to go for its intended purpose. Gradually, a whole fleet of transport workers appeared.
    2. Rusa Offline Rusa
      Rusa 25 January 2022 14: 30
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      Good idea, albeit belated. It is necessary for the government of the Russian Federation to create a fund to ensure the production of Tu-22M3 aircraft at the expense of all the oligarchs in the Russian Federation.
      Let them take care of the country from their capital.
      1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
        gunnerminer (gunner miner) 25 January 2022 14: 47
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        This number will not work. With all the oligarchic patriotism.
        1. Rusa Offline Rusa
          Rusa 25 January 2022 14: 56
          +3
          All that is needed is the will of the political authorities. There is nowhere to tear the skin from the ordinary population. Oligarchs need to share for the sake of national security.
          1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
            gunnerminer (gunner miner) 25 January 2022 14: 58
            -10
            Do you want it to happen like in Ukraine or Kazakhstan?
            1. Rusa Offline Rusa
              Rusa 25 January 2022 15: 00
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              And what do you propose?
              1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                gunnerminer (gunner miner) 25 January 2022 15: 15
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                I propose only to reduce the level of theft in the military-industrial complex to acceptable limits, so that it does not radically affect the combat readiness of units for the worse.
                As soon as the oligarchs try to spend money on national security, they will be dealt with harsher than the US Congress did with Oleg Deripaska.
                1. Rusa Offline Rusa
                  Rusa 25 January 2022 15: 19
                  +1
                  Do they need the Russian Federation at all, the oligarchs. All strategic enterprises should belong to the state. IMHO
                  Then there will be less theft and corruption.
                  1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                    gunnerminer (gunner miner) 25 January 2022 15: 26
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                    Then these enterprises will die from a lack of funding. Russian commercial banks tear several skins from enterprises. And foreign investors can not wait. An example is the Zvezda shipbuilding plant in Primorye. The participants in the financing are foreigners and oligarchs.
                    1. Rusa Offline Rusa
                      Rusa 25 January 2022 15: 38
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                      In the USSR they did not die, they will not die even now.
                      1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                        gunnerminer (gunner miner) 25 January 2022 15: 48
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                        Yes. The forms of ownership and the social system have not changed. laughing
    3. Half a hundred second (Half a half second) 25 January 2022 15: 06
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      Quote: Marzhetsky
      It seems that I wrote the same

      nearly. First of all, it is necessary to bring the combat vehicles to an absolutely combat-ready state, return the fuel refueling rods removed to please our "partners" (this alone will infuriate the Americans) and integrate the latest weapons, if possible, update the avionics and air defense systems. Something that can be done quickly and at relatively low cost. To have regiments of fully combat-ready vehicles capable of solving problems here and now ..

      quite promising is the installation on Tu-22M3M supersonic bombers in an upgraded version of the NK-32-02 power plant, which is now used on the updated Tu-160M2 "White Swan", which will seriously increase the performance characteristics of the Russian missile carrier.

      but this is already a serious modernization, which hardly makes sense. The existing stock of NK-25 and repair kits will be enough for the service life of the existing fleet, and then it will be necessary to think about replacing the board.
      1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
        gunnerminer (gunner miner) 25 January 2022 15: 17
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        return on board the refueling rods removed for the sake of our "partners" (this alone will infuriate the Americans)

        Violation of the treaty. The Government will not dare to take such a step.
        1. akarfoxhound Offline akarfoxhound
          akarfoxhound 25 January 2022 16: 15
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          Installed within 20 minutes (according to ITS)
          1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
            gunnerminer (gunner miner) 25 January 2022 16: 35
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            This is the time to install the rod. And the pipelines and the pump! And if they start looking in a panic in the warehouse? A day is not enough here.
        2. Half a hundred second (Half a half second) 25 January 2022 16: 25
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          Quote: gunnerminer
          Violation of the contract. The Government will not dare to take such a step

          There is no longer any agreement. And by and large, there was none, since Washington never ratified SALT-2. In 1986, the States themselves declared that they no longer considered themselves bound by the limitations of the Treaty. Accordingly, Russia is also not bound by them.
          Therefore, the bars can be put on legal grounds. There was information that the Tu-22M3M will acquire them. It's time to return them to combat vehicles.
          1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
            gunnerminer (gunner miner) 25 January 2022 16: 38
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            There is a contract. The Tu-22M3M was not handed over to the unit. It is required to install not only rods, but also pipelines, a fuel pump. The government will not risk exacerbating relations in such a way.
            1. Half a hundred second (Half a half second) 25 January 2022 16: 55
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              Quote: gunnerminer
              There is a contract

              Which? Enlighten the people, be so kind. The Tu-22M lost its START-2 rod when it was misunderstood as a strategist.

              Quote: gunnerminer
              It is required to install not only rods, but also pipelines

              All this is on serial machines. Not only rods.
              1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                gunnerminer (gunner miner) 25 January 2022 20: 18
                -5
                About START-2, like that. He not only lost his barbell. These serial combat-ready vehicles were left like fingers on one hand. The Americans missed one refueling of this aircraft and therefore certified it as strategic. And their negotiating partners treated this fact lightly.
                Even if all the necessary equipment for refueling is installed on the condemned aircraft, this will not help much in increasing the range. The Diaghilev regiment has become very small in number, the new Il-78MD-90A are produced in much lower quantities than the MO requires. The regiment will be replenished for 40 years, with maintaining the current pace of production of the Il-78MD-90A.A about the production of the strategist tanker Il-96-400T completely died out.
                1. Half a hundred second (Half a half second) 25 January 2022 20: 50
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                  Quote: gunnerminer
                  START 2

                  you have already been written off for START-2, this agreement is not valid. Therefore, it is not at all clear what kind of violation you are trying to broadcast to us here.
                  1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                    gunnerminer (gunner miner) 25 January 2022 22: 42
                    -4
                    The cancellation of START-2 was not announced. Even if, contrary to START-2, the Tu-22M3 refueling system is restored, this light fact will not positively affect the strike potential of the Russian Navy. There are only five combat-ready Tu-22M3s themselves. , as the command of future squadrons and regiments. The command of the Diaghilev Regiment dreams of a sharp increase in the rate of production of the Il-9MD-78A. Without a sufficient number of refueling tankers, talking about restoring the rods does not make sense.
                    1. Half a hundred second (Half a half second) 25 January 2022 23: 41
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                      OSV-2. I wrote correctly in the first comment

                      Quote: Half a century and a half
                      There is no longer any agreement. And by and large it was not, since Washington OSV-2 never ratified

                      but then after you began to scribble at all.
                      We read the text of the SALT-2 agreement:

                      Article 19
                      1. This Treaty is subject to ratification in accordance with the constitutional procedures of each of the Parties. This Treaty shall enter into force on the day of the exchange of instruments of ratification and shall remain in force until December 31, 1985, unless it is replaced earlier than this date by an agreement on the further limitation of strategic offensive arms.

                      Firstly, the period of validity of the agreement is indicated - until 1985 inclusive. Second, the United States never ratified it; the treaty is de jure null and void.

                      From the fact that you throw poop, the truth does not cease to be true) And for you - use the recommendation of a tireless fighter for the freedom and happiness of peoples:

                      1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                        gunnerminer (gunner miner) 26 January 2022 00: 29
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                        The Russian government strictly observes START-2. Even if it ceases to comply with the agreement, this will not help the crews of the Tu-22M3, due to the understaffing of the VKS with tankers and tankers in adequate numbers. You can discuss this with the military personnel of the Aerospace Forces. They will provide more details. Plus you!
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  • gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
    gunnerminer (gunner miner) 25 January 2022 14: 46
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    NATO acted as a fried Peter. Pushed on the right path. A very belated idea. the most important thing in aviation is people. It will be necessary to train hundreds of pilots, navigators, technicians, command staff of squadrons, regiments, divisions. Equipped airfields will be required.
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 25 January 2022 15: 37
      0
      Yes, you should.
      1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
        gunnerminer (gunner miner) 25 January 2022 15: 44
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        But quite recently, in 2011, by the Decree of the President, reconnaissance naval aviation was liquidated. There were separate Su-24MR aircraft in the fleets. With a very outdated avionics. And there is no way without this type of naval aviation. By the same decree, attack missile-carrying aviation was also screwed up. Where is the systematic, integrated approach, where is the prudent attitude to means? Not to mention people. It takes 8 years to prepare a squad navigator.
        It is not military construction that is observed, but a direct reaction to external stimuli.
        1. akarfoxhound Offline akarfoxhound
          akarfoxhound 25 January 2022 16: 13
          -1
          When the MPA was poked, it actually no longer existed. I am not saying (by any means) that it is not needed. But she was gone
          1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
            gunnerminer (gunner miner) 25 January 2022 16: 30
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            Artificial conditions were created for the cessation of the existence of reconnaissance and attack naval aviation. Including with a shortage of fuel and lubricants. Attack naval aviation is the main force at sea. And reconnaissance aviation is the most operational reconnaissance at sea. The maintenance of the MA is less expensive, it is more maneuverable than ships, surface or underwater.
  • akarfoxhound Offline akarfoxhound
    akarfoxhound 25 January 2022 16: 10
    -1
    When the Tu-22M3 was transferred from the MRA to the Air Force, the training of the Navy crews was at the level of flying in a circle in the PMU. Therefore, the Air Force materiel went with a good resource. At the last time, aviation was an unloved child among sailors. It seems that there was an MRA, but it seems not. The assault aviation of the Navy had the same trouble. Now the crews have finally begun to do their own thing, and not ennoble the airfield dumps
    1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 25 January 2022 16: 34
      -9
      The reverse process of transferring aircraft from the Air Force to the Air Force will be costly. Only the additional training of crews is worth it. The Civil Code of the USSR Navy Kuznetsov, in his memoirs, the day before, spoke about the transfer of a regiment of KTOF heavy bombers to the Air Force. And how it turned out.
  • faiver Offline faiver
    faiver (Andrei) 25 January 2022 16: 32
    +1
    not sure if this is relevant...
    1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 25 January 2022 16: 40
      -8
      Now it is especially relevant. The number of KPUGs is by no means growing rapidly in the fleets. The strike potential of the fleet urgently needs to be increased. And the capabilities of the USC are very limited. Yes, and the budget is constantly being sequestered.
      1. faiver Offline faiver
        faiver (Andrei) 25 January 2022 16: 47
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        And the possibilities of the USC are very limited. Yes, and the budget is constantly being sequestered.

        - the restoration of production costs money, BUDGET money, or do you think if you spend it from another pocket, then there will be more of it?
        1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
          gunnerminer (gunner miner) 25 January 2022 20: 04
          -5
          The problem is not only in the availability of money. The problem is in their intended use, in labor productivity at USC enterprises, in the shortage of personnel of all categories, especially highly qualified workers, in the availability of the most modern factory equipment. Not what was brought in 1946 from defeated Germany.

          Do you think if you spend them from another pocket, then there will be more of them?

          I did not master the ingenious turn of your thought. How many pockets? Whose?
    2. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 25 January 2022 16: 41
      -1
      What is relevant, in your opinion?
      1. faiver Offline faiver
        faiver (Andrei) 25 January 2022 16: 58
        -1
        build more modern aircraft
        1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
          Marzhecki (Sergei) 25 January 2022 16: 59
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          Who would argue. But you yourself understand that in the modern Russian Federation it is not easy and slow to build a modern aircraft (ship, tank, rocket, etc.). Sometimes the best is the enemy of the good.
          1. faiver Offline faiver
            faiver (Andrei) 25 January 2022 17: 12
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            We have Su-30, Su-34.
            Why restore the production of an aircraft that is more than 50 years old? Can you name its analogues that are now in service somewhere abroad?
            1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
              Marzhecki (Sergei) 25 January 2022 17: 16
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              We have Su-30, Su-34.

              Can the Su-30 perform the same tasks? Does it have a comparable combat radius, combat load?

              Can you name its analogues that are now in service somewhere abroad?

              As for analogues, do those countries face the same challenges as Russia? Are they threatened with war with the United States, which has a giant navy and is located on another continent?

              Why restore the production of an aircraft that is more than 50 years old?

              As for the age of the aircraft, it can be modernized, or rather, it is necessary: ​​a modern engine, equipment, weapons.
              IMHO, instead of the promising 20 PAK YES, built for a long time and at exorbitant prices, it is better to make a hundred proven Carcasses. There will be more sense.
              1. faiver Offline faiver
                faiver (Andrei) 25 January 2022 17: 31
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                Can the Su-30 perform the same tasks? Does it have a comparable combat radius, combat load?

                - why do you need such a radius and combat load? remember what rockets were 50-60 years ago and what they are now. The level of air defense is such that it does not matter the speed of the carrier aircraft, they will still be detected. So why do you need a plane from the past?
                1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
                  Marzhecki (Sergei) 25 January 2022 17: 33
                  -1
                  In this case, a counter question, what will a plane from the future give you? smile
                  1. faiver Offline faiver
                    faiver (Andrei) 25 January 2022 17: 35
                    -1
                    to me? absolutely nothing bully
                2. Half a hundred second (Half a half second) 25 January 2022 19: 40
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                  Quote: faiver
                  why do you need such a radius and combat load?

                  These indicators have never been secondary, especially in our conditions. Without having as many bases around the globe and such a fleet of air tankers as our "friends", range matters. As well as the combat load, especially in local conflicts. Yes, of course, you can drag a couple of relatively light modern missiles, but missiles are expensive, they don’t always have adequate targets, and they tend to end even in very rich countries. Having used the WTO in the first raids (to suppress the command post and air defense), even the same Americans are moving on to throwing free-falling cast iron. Therefore, I think that an airplane of Tu-22M3 capabilities would not be superfluous.
                  In addition, he is so far our only long arm of naval aviation.

                  Quote: faiver
                  Why restore the production of an aircraft that is more than 50 years old?

                  yes, in general, no reason. The Tu-22 was created according to the canons and the level of those years, since then a lot of water has flowed under the bridge. For example, the Tu-22 has a wing turning mechanism, now an anachronism, which, nevertheless, takes up space and weighs quite a lot. This is dead weight. The modern development of aerodynamics and digital control systems makes it possible to create an aircraft with performance characteristics even better than those of aircraft with CIS, but without a variable sweep wing. In addition, low radar visibility would not hurt, now even third world countries have quite decent air defense systems

                  Nevertheless, I think that an aircraft with good performance and a decent bomb load is still desirable. There are many uses for it, both as already mentioned in local conflicts, and as a demonstrator of strength (one thing is a rocket somewhere in the mines and launchers that no one sees, and the second is when an airplane flies near the borders and flies, with something interesting on board, and everyone sees it, and understands what gifts it has, and understands everything else.In the same way, overflights and escort of "partner" ships are effective, and not their escort to the "sights" of the DBK, for example.
                3. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                  gunnerminer (gunner miner) 25 January 2022 20: 27
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                  The level of air defense and its reliability is assessed not only by the capabilities of the ground component, but also by regiments of air defense fighters, the presence of modern AWACS and U systems with radars with AFAR, and aviation reconnaissance capabilities.
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            2. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
              gunnerminer (gunner miner) 25 January 2022 20: 25
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              On the Su-30SM2 and Su-34M, the gunmen will not be able to supply as much ammunition as
              on board the Tu-22M3. For example, the X-32 anti-ship missile under development. Here, this missile will be handed over to the customer, but there is no carrier. As far as the Tu-22M3, these Su-30SM2 and Su-34M will not be able to fly.
  • clidon Offline clidon
    clidon (Alex) 25 January 2022 18: 07
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    It is clear why to restore the production of the old "absolutely new" Tu-160. This is the maintenance of the pants of the fading aircraft industry in Kazan and beyond. Staff training, selection of available materials and equipment. Plus, even this unit from the past will find work within its strength. But spending money on another relic based on "Schaub Bulo" is wasteful. Moreover, it is quite possible to roll modernized cars for another 15 years.
    1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 25 January 2022 20: 36
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      Not everything is going smoothly with the Tu-160M. After building 100 B-1Bs, the US decided that swiveling wings were more trouble than they were worth, and in the 1990s they built a “flying wing,” a subsonic but stealthy B-2 bomber. The US is getting rid of the B-1.

      https://novayagazeta.ru/articles/2022/01/22/letet-to-mozhno-no-kuda
  • Andrey S Offline Andrey S
    Andrey S (Andrey S) 25 January 2022 23: 10
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    Quote: gunnerminer
    An example is the Zvezda shipbuilding plant in Primorye. The participants in the financing are foreigners and oligarchs.

    Are VEB and Rosneftegaz foreigners or oligarchs? :)
    1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 26 January 2022 11: 47
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      Both those and others. Especially with foreign passports.
  • Jacques sekavar Offline Jacques sekavar
    Jacques sekavar (Jacques Sekavar) 25 January 2022 23: 52
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    In similarly limited economic and production opportunities, N.S. Khrushchev reduced everything possible - the army, navy, aviation, which caused open opposition in the highest military circles. N.S. Khrushchev directed the freed up resources to the development and build-up of the nuclear missile potential, and as history has shown, he was right.
    In the confrontation with the USA, a school of swans is not worth even one zircon or Sarmatian.
    If it is planned to make war with the tramps in Africa, then yes, we need planes capable of flying and returning.
    1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 26 January 2022 00: 22
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      Ivanov, Grachev, Sergeev, Rodionov, Makarov, Serdyukov acted according to Khrushchev. And now Serdyukov's reforms continue, in somewhat modified forms. Part of the Naval Aviation has disappeared, and anti-submarine aviation is a museum exhibit. limited series, diesel boats are produced in scanty quantities. The auxiliary fleet and the hydrography detachment have disappeared. There is no BZHRK. Long-range aviation is represented by 855 Tu-8MS, 95 Tu-5M, 160 Tu-5M22. Few Su-3s. There is no A-57 complex. Military transport aviation is represented mainly by the old Il-100, An-76, An-24, An-12. Judging by the reports from the Western Military District, the equipment near the Ukrainian border is not as new as in the reports MEDIA.
      1. faiver Offline faiver
        faiver (Andrei) 26 January 2022 17: 17
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        8 Tu-95MS, 5 Tu-160M, 5 Tu-22M3

        - where are the others?
        1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
          gunnerminer (gunner miner) 26 January 2022 20: 23
          -4
          In a disorganized state.
          1. faiver Offline faiver
            faiver (Andrei) 26 January 2022 20: 38
            0
            56pcs Tu-95? 12pcs Tu-160? and more than 50pcs. Tu-22M? Isn't it funny yourself?
            1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
              gunnerminer (gunner miner) 26 January 2022 20: 49
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              You have listed an arithmetic number. All aircraft, including those that are lying around without engines, without wheels, on their belly. Here you need to cry, not have fun. There are five Tu-22M30, combat ready,
              1. faiver Offline faiver
                faiver (Andrei) 26 January 2022 20: 56
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                I do not believe you...
                1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                  gunnerminer (gunner miner) 26 January 2022 21: 05
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                  To believe or not to believe, it's a mosque or a synagogue. Or a church. Do not trustfully repeat other people's slogans, try to look for information on your own. You are among friends, on this resource.
                  1. DV tam 25 Offline DV tam 25
                    DV tam 25 (DV tam 25) 27 January 2022 15: 57
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                    You are lying, but don’t lie, pan Ukrainian, your friends may have thrown you 30 pieces of silver, but these are not friends of the local members of the forum, at least the normal and reasonable part of it. Friends to you, it’s like a missing bindyuzhnik and so on ... By the way, in your unbridled lies and whining, you began to make obvious mistakes and inconsistencies, which speaks of you as a weakling of analysis and your conclusions are empty, it justifies you only that you are Ukrainian , normal people do not disgrace. You again minus.
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    2. clidon Offline clidon
      clidon (Alex) 27 January 2022 21: 24
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      The task of the Tu-160 (of any construction) is to ensure a conventional war with the United States. That is, the delivery of cruise missiles to the territory and forcing him to negotiate. Sarmat is not capable of this - it is tritely dangerous even with a single launch, as it can cause a "response" "cast in gopo-granite" Zircon is generally not clear what it is capable of and what it is. And it's definitely expensive to scatter by the hundreds. And for the effect you need at least dozens of accurate hits.
  • Teaser Offline Teaser
    Teaser (Vasiliy) 26 January 2022 04: 15
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    We need to think about resuming the production of TB-7 - it was a cool car! Ceiling - under 10 kilometers, bomb load - 4 tons!
    What is characteristic: took off and landed on the ground!
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 26 January 2022 11: 29
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      Are you kidding like that?
  • Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
    Sapsan136 (Alexander) 26 January 2022 09: 18
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    Actually, it makes no sense to resume the production of the Tu-22M3, since the Tu-22M4 project was ready in the USSR, and the idea is not bad, especially if you return the air refueling systems to them
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 26 January 2022 10: 15
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      Yes, it makes more practical sense than a base in Venezuela.

      - Tu-22M4 / item 45-04 - BACKFIRE-C mod. (1991) - modernization of the Tu-22M3 with the installation of new NK-32 engines (presumably) and with a change in the engine air intakes (the number of additional air intake flaps was increased). There is evidence of testing or even the arrival of a new modification in the Air Force in 1991 (?). also in part of the sources it is indicated that this modification was mass-produced (for example, see Ganin). According to unconfirmed reports (Bargatinov), one Tu-22M3 aircraft was converted to NK-32 engines, but the engines for installation on the aircraft were never delivered. Perhaps it is the Tu-22M4 that is meant. Name BACKFIRE-C mod. unofficial. As of 2012, the aircraft with signs of Tu-22M4 and tail number 4504 is in the DA museum in Dyagilevo (Ryazan).

      As a matter of fact, this is the modernized Carcass with NK-32 (02) engines, which we are talking about.
      1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
        gunnerminer (gunner miner) 26 January 2022 11: 51
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        British bases (Akrotiri, Dekelia) or American (Okinawa, Ramstein). With full control of the state, its special services, the Armed Forces. Less spending on security and defense, they do this
        local vassals. Or in the Soviet way (Vlora, Mogadishu, Alescandia) departure at the first whim of the locals.
  • AC130 Gunship Offline AC130 Gunship
    AC130 Gunship (Gennady) 26 January 2022 17: 47
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    No one will resume production. Russia has a Su34, which is almost the same in terms of payload and range as the Tu22m3, while having a mass and a point on the NATO radar half that. At one time in the 70s, until the B1b was created, its niche in the US Air Force was perfectly occupied by the FB111.
  • Teaser Offline Teaser
    Teaser (Vasiliy) 26 January 2022 19: 23
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    Quote: Marzhetsky
    Are you kidding like that?

    - Certainly. To reproduce today the development of 50 years ago is a tragedy for the country. But if, at the same time, you wave your fists and threaten to "tear NATO into the British flag," what is that? Madness?!
    Comrade Xi Jinping can help at a critical moment, or maybe he can wait ...
  • Rishat Sadrtdinov (Rishat Sadrtdinov) 27 January 2022 11: 19
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    Tu - 22M4 is necessary because there is nothing to replace them with, a long-range missile carrier is needed
  • Andrey S Offline Andrey S
    Andrey S (Andrey S) 27 January 2022 14: 28
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    Quote: gunnerminer
    Both those and others. Especially with foreign passports.

    of course, the kindergarten went out for a walk :) ... Adyu, baby, you still have to play and play in the sandbox ...
    1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 27 January 2022 16: 07
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      For example, Roman Abramovich recently became a citizen of Portugal.
  • Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
    Michael1950 (Michael) 29 January 2022 17: 17
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    Quote: Half a century and a half
    Quote: Marzhetsky
    It seems that I wrote the same

    nearly. First of all, it is necessary to bring the combat vehicles to an absolutely combat-ready state, to return the fuel refueling rods removed to please our "partners" on board ...

    - The bar is placed on one Tu-22M3 in an hour and a half ...
  • AC130 Gunship Offline AC130 Gunship
    AC130 Gunship (Gennady) 5 February 2022 18: 39
    0
    Neither Il nor Tu militarily created anything new in 30 years. I have to get it out of a dusty development cabinet of the late 70s
  • Pacer Offline Pacer
    Pacer (Pacer) 7 February 2022 18: 40
    -1
    The Tu-22M3 can carry all types of air-launched cruise missiles: Kh-55, Kh-555, Kh-32, Kh-101/102, as well as promising ones - Kinzhal, GZUR and Kh-50.

    if you didn’t pay, my friend, on these topics, you stroke your world of “devian housewives” and no one would vilify bully


    https://glav.su/forum/5/2015?page=2151
  • Bystander Offline Bystander
    Bystander (Innocent) 8 February 2022 16: 37
    -2
    Today, when the Kremlin first moved into direct and open confrontation with the West

    That's it. The Kremlin has moved on to confrontation with the WEST.