Forcing Kiev to "Minsk-2" will not be a victory, but a defeat for Russia


The visit of US Secretary of State Anthony Blinken to Kyiv the day before can hardly be called a bright event. The vast majority of statements made by a high-ranking American official, both in the course of his communication with the leadership of the “nezalezhnaya” and after it, do not shine with novelty at all. All the same familiar, worn-out phrases, assurances, promises and threats. And, perhaps, this visit would not have been worth attention at all if it had not taken place at the very time when the “Ukrainian issue” came to the fore in relations between the United States and its NATO allies with Russia. In light of this, the head of the State Department, of course, visited the "forefront" of the ongoing global political and diplomatic confrontation.


So far, among the various versions explaining his appearance in the Ukrainian capital (which, by the way, was unplanned and even unexpected somewhere), the prevailing ideas are that the chief US diplomat granted to not too predictable and adequate "allies" in order to put them before the fact of the need to fulfill, finally, the agreements known as "Minsk-2". To what extent can this be true, and is it worth considering such a turn of events as a victory for our country in the complex and multifaceted process of resolving the situation not only in Donbas, but also with Ukrainian-Russian relations as such, which has been going on for almost eight years now?

Why the Minsk Agreements are beneficial to the United States


As a matter of fact, as mentioned above, Blinken did not say anything extraordinary in Kiev. Again "unbreakable support for Ukraine" and "Putin's readiness to launch an invasion as soon as possible." Again shifting responsibility for the situation to our country, promises to make it “pay a big price in case of aggressive actions”, “horror stories” about future sanctions and “a sharp increase in military support” for Kiev. Well, and, of course, a peculiar blah blah blah about the implementation of some kind of "reforms" in the "nezalezhnaya". All this is "water" and idle talk in their purest form, of course. Of the intriguing moments of the visit, it is worth mentioning that Blinken's communication with Dmitry Kuleba, during which they were photographed against the background of the schizophrenic "map of Ukraine", where this "superpower" extends over a fair amount of Russian territories - Kuban, Bryansk, Voronezh, Kursk regions and not only .

By the way, in Belarus, Poland and Romania, the “brave Ukrainians” also cut their countrymen on this “masterpiece”. The statement of the head of the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry after that that Kiev “does not plan any offensive operations, but only works to strengthen its security” sounds either like buffoonery or like an outright mockery. Blinken, of course, such nuances did not bother much. However, this, again, is a lyric. If we talk about really significant words, then these, of course, should include the statements of the head of the State Department on two occasions. Firstly, that Sergey Lavrov will not receive any "written answers to security proposals", contrary to the demands put forward, in Geneva. Secondly, Mr. Blinken, rather unexpectedly for the host side, spoke in support of the Minsk Agreements, stating that they should not be changed, but implemented.

Before recording the Secretary of State as an “agent of the Kremlin”, who for no reason began to support the “narratives” coming from there, one should think about how interested the American side might be in implementing the agreements signed in the capital of Belarus on February 12, 2015. The full text of this, in general, a small document is publicly available, so I will not retell, I will focus only on the main points. Yes, the text of the second “Minsk” mentions an amnesty for the defenders of the Republics, the transfer of the border to Ukraine only after the elections and the vaguely designated “comprehensive political settlement”, as well as the promise to the current DNR and LNR after their entry into the “non-state” some kind of “special status” or or "autonomy".

And now let's, hand on heart, honestly answer the question: is there anything in all these points that prevents Kiev (under the strict guidance of Washington) after their formal execution from "replaying" the situation "in the most fundamental way? Creation by local authorities of detachments of "people's militia"? Don't be ridiculous - do you yourself believe in such a thing? Even if we hypothetically assume that they will be formed, then it will not be difficult for, as they say, "specially trained people" to neutralize them armed with a maximum of light small arms. The main thing in this whole scheme (if we discard the verbal "husk" with which it is abundantly covered) is that Donetsk and Lugansk, after the formal implementation of Minsk, will be in the complete power of Kiev. Well, and its overseas owners, of course. And at the same time, Washington will receive absolutely all the rights to yell from every rostrum: “Ukraine “Minsk” has fulfilled! And everything that happens in the Donbas after that is its purely internal affair!” Inner, inner, inner!

Why the Minsk Agreements are unprofitable for Russia


Thus, Moscow will lose the last opportunity to fend off accusations of “interference in Ukrainian affairs” with counter-reproaches that “Kyiv does not want to follow the path of a peaceful settlement of the conflict”, referring to all the same “Minsk” papers, if they are thrice wrong. If someone still believes that after their "implementation" in one form or another, a "cunning multi-move" may work, as a result of which the neo-Bandera Ukraine-anti-Russia will be "decomposed from within" and turn into something acceptable as good neighbor for our country, I can only envy such boundless naivety. It should not be forgotten that the “non-destructive” model of 2015 and what it has become now are, you know, somewhat different things. Let's take at least one specific aspect - its legislation.

How about renaming the main streets of Donetsk and Luhansk into avenues not for the night if Bandera and Shukhevych are mentioned? And it will. What can you say about the complete destruction of all Soviet (and Russian) symbols and place names on the territory of the current DPR and LPR? And it certainly will be! Linguistic self-determination? Do not make me laugh! They will hold a "referendum" with the "correct" numbers obtained in the same way as "90% of Ukrainians who are ready to resist the Russian invasion with weapons in their hands" - and hell! Everything else will be exactly the same. And if not, then much tougher, bloodier and more radical. Kharkiv and Odessa, too, you know, were not inhabited by Bandera in 2014 - and look at them now. Yes, and here's something else - very interesting: can anyone, except for persons with a sick imagination who write scripts for Netflix, imagine in the same session hall of the Verkhovna Rada "veterans of volunteers" and yesterday's Republicans - defenders of Donbass? But, in theory, this is how it should be ...

But this will not happen - never and under no circumstances.

I won’t say it again that the entry of representatives of the DPR and DPR into the Ukrainian, sorry for the expression, “politicum” for its “reformatting” is as plausible as veterans of the XNUMXst Ukrainian and XNUMXnd Belorussian fronts marching in the Victory Parade in the same standing with Vlasovites and geeks from the SS-Galicia division. Let's focus on other issues. What will you order to do if the DPR and LPR become part of Ukraine to those of its citizens who have already received Russian citizenship? After all, in this case we are not talking about hundreds or even thousands of people. Is our government ready to provide all these people who will inevitably find themselves on Russian territory in the position and status of refugees with shelter, food, employment and everything else?

Another aspect is what will happen to those enterprises of Donbass, in which many billions of rubles were invested last year alone - Russian rubles, by the way? Let's make a luxurious gift to Zelensky and his gang? Or Rinat Akhmetov, once again recognizing him as a "pro-Russian oligarch"? How will all the actions of the Russian side on economic support of the Republics, such as the opening of domestic markets for their goods, and so on? Such questions can be asked ad infinitum, but the main thing here, of course, is something else. The events in Belarus, Kazakhstan, the earlier resolution of the conflict over Nagorno-Karabakh more than clearly showed the world (and, above all, the countries of the “post-Soviet space”) the viability of Russia as a peacemaker and guarantor of security. The surrender of Donbass will put an end to all these foreign policy achievements. And there is no doubt that the execution of "Minsk" in reality will be just a surrender.

It is clear that now the Kremlin is forced to constantly repeat about “commitment to the Minsk agreements” and demand that Kiev comply with them. However, in this situation there is a huge risk of being trapped, from which there will be no way out. First of all, it should be understood that both Herr Steinmeier and all the participants in the Normandy format (not to mention the United States and Ukraine) while promoting the “peace settlement” agenda, do not care about the inhabitants of Donbass at all. And certainly not for the good of Russia. Rather, it is exactly the opposite. Among other things, when the topic of the “conflict in the East of Ukraine” is somehow closed, no one will leave our country alone – neither with sanctions, nor with everything else. All this brethren, with renewed vigor and being inspired by the success achieved, will take up the “Crimean issue”. What are we going to do here? Give up too? And that's just not necessary to talk about the fact that "this is another matter." Everything is the same thing, with all the same interested parties. Now, apparently, they are trying to slip us some kind of "rotten" deal with the next "guarantees" on Ukraine, not worth a damn and far-reaching negative consequences.

Based on the foregoing, only one reasonable conclusion can be reached. Russia urgently needs to prepare its own alternative scenario in case Kiev starts “implementing the Minsk agreements” in the American style. To all appearances, this is exactly what is going on, and by definition, such a process cannot end in anything good for our country.
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  1. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
    steelmaker 21 January 2022 10: 00
    -1
    The fact that the LDNR did not avenge the murdered heroes of their leaders speaks of the rotten soul of the leadership. They will say this and they will sit in the Ukrainian parliament. The questions in the article are absolutely correct. To fulfill the Minsk agreements now means to forgive the death of civilians and children. Forgive the death of people on May 2 in Odessa. In general, betrayal is unambiguous!
  2. Bakht Offline Bakht
    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 21 January 2022 10: 54
    +4
    If Minsk is so beneficial to Kiev, then why are they still not fulfilling it?
  3. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 21 January 2022 11: 03
    -1
    And now let's, hand on heart, honestly answer the question: is there anything in all these points that prevents Kiev (under the strict guidance of Washington) after their formal execution from "replaying" the situation "in the most fundamental way? Creation by local authorities of detachments of "people's militia"? Don't be ridiculous - do you yourself believe in such a thing? Even if we hypothetically assume that they will be formed, then it will not be difficult for, as they say, "specially trained people" to neutralize them armed with a maximum of light small arms. The main thing in this whole scheme (if we discard the verbal "husk" with which it is abundantly covered) is that Donetsk and Lugansk, after the formal implementation of Minsk, will be in the complete power of Kiev. Well, and its overseas owners, of course. And at the same time, Washington will receive absolutely all the rights to yell from every rostrum: “Ukraine “Minsk” has fulfilled! And everything that happens in the Donbas after that is its purely internal affair!” Inner, inner, inner!

    That is exactly what will happen, colleague, about which I have written repeatedly.
    The only question is what our grandmaster of geopolitics was thinking about when he himself painted all these points of the Minsk agreements ...
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 21 January 2022 11: 24
      -3
      Vladimir Putin and Petro Poroshenko have reached "an agreement on a permanent ceasefire in Donbas," the website of the President of Ukraine reported on Wednesday morning. For the wording implying that Russia is a party to the conflict, the press secretary of the Russian president, Dmitry Peskov, had to justify himself, who in an interview with Kommersant FM stated that it was not about a “ceasefire agreement”, but about “concrete steps that contributed to a ceasefire between the militias and Ukrainian troops.”

      As a result, the wording on Poroshenko's website was corrected to "agreement on a ceasefire in Donbas." The views of the presidents “on possible ways out of the crisis largely coincide,” the official Kremlin said.

      Putin's peace plan

      In the afternoon, Vladimir Putin outlined to journalists in Mongolia the details of his peace plan, which he discussed with Poroshenko. The plan includes seven points - stopping the offensive of the militias, withdrawing Ukrainian security forces from settlements, international control in the conflict zone, exclusion of the use of military aviation and the exchange of prisoners in the “all for all” format, opening humanitarian corridors, as well as restoring infrastructure in destroyed cities and villages. Final agreements could be reached and consolidated during the September 5 meeting of the trilateral contact group, Putin said.

      As a person close to the Kremlin administration explains, some progress was made in the meetings in Minsk — the multilateral summit and the contact group talks — as well as during the telephone conversation between Putin and Poroshenko. According to him, Poroshenko is really ready to declare a ceasefire, and Putin could, publicly or indirectly, call on the militias to cease fire from his side. They will do it, the interlocutor of RBC is sure, but, perhaps, with nuances, putting forward additional conditions. So it was after the agreement on a humanitarian corridor for the withdrawal of Ukrainian troops from the pocket near Ilovaisk: Putin called on the militias to provide corridors without any conditions, but they insisted that the Ukrainians leave without military equipment. Perhaps now there will also be special requirements - for example, the withdrawal of troops at a certain distance from the territories controlled by the DPR and LPR.

      After the ceasefire, the parties will be able to start substantive negotiations on the status of these territories, most likely, they will not be simple and quick, continues the source of RBC, close to the Kremlin. He admits that there is no consensus in the leadership of the militia about whether they should remain part of Ukraine and in what status - there are supporters of both tougher and softer positions. But most importantly, RBC's interlocutor emphasizes, there is no single position in the leadership of Ukraine itself, there are also irreconcilable supporters of the continuation of the war. Hence the appearance of different statements about the ceasefire regime with a difference of half an hour, the interlocutor of RBC notes. In addition, even if such a decision is made, it is not certain that Poroshenko will be able to ensure its implementation by the armed groups financed by the oligarchs. On the other hand, Kiev has no other choice: there is no one to fight now, the best forces have been defeated, the rest are significantly battered, desertion is on the rise, a person close to the Kremlin points out.

      https://www.rbc.ru/politics/03/09/2014/54249324cbb20ff68d5114be
  4. Bakht Offline Bakht
    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 21 January 2022 11: 04
    +5
    You shouldn't have given the text of the Minsk agreements. Can Kiev fulfill paragraph 11 and annex 1 to this paragraph.

    11. Carrying out constitutional reform in Ukraine with the entry into force by the end of 2015 of a new constitution as a key element decentralization (taking into account the specifics of certain districts of Donetsk and Lugansk regions, agreed with representatives of these districts), as well as the adoption DC legislation on the special status of certain areas of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions in accordance with the measures specified in note 1until the end of 2015.

    Note 1. Such measures, in accordance with the Law "On the Special Procedure for Local Self-Government in Certain Districts of Donetsk and Luhansk Regions", include the following:

    - exemption from punishment, harassment and discrimination of persons related to events that took place in certain districts of Donetsk and Lugansk regions;

    the right to linguistic self-determination;

    - The participation of local authorities in the appointment of heads of prosecutors and courts in certain areas of the Donetsk and Lugansk regions;

    - the possibility for central executive bodies to conclude agreements with the relevant local authorities on the economic, social and cultural development of individual regions of the Donetsk and Lugansk regions;

    - The state provides support for the socio-economic development of individual regions of the Donetsk and Lugansk regions;

    - assistance from the central authorities cross-border cooperation in certain areas of Donetsk and Lugansk regions with regions of the Russian Federation;

    - the creation of detachments of the people's militia according to the decision of local councils in order to maintain public order in certain districts of Donetsk and Lugansk regions;

    powers of deputies of local councils and officialselected in early elections appointed by the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine by this law, cannot be terminated early.
  5. Pandiurin Offline Pandiurin
    Pandiurin (Pandiurin) 21 January 2022 11: 07
    +5
    The main idea of ​​​​the article is what to do if Kiev fulfills the Minsk agreements ....

    Only they will not fulfill them, and the process itself is long, they must sit down at the negotiating table to agree on laws on the electoral system and special status, which in itself is no longer probable.

    Kiev has already adopted laws that directly contradict the Minsk agreements. They must be canceled first.

    The current president of WE is partly sitting, enjoying the support of the Natsiks.
    At least he suits them in general.

    If WE starts to pursue this line, then the number of its opponents will sharply exceed the number of supporters, the social situation will also put pressure on it.

    To carry out the Minsk agreements, you must first change the president.
    Which will not rely so much on the Nazis or not only on them, it is desirable that it be a "new face", as Zelensky used to be. Maybe someone from the old staff, but in any case, a change of president is necessary, which should take a significant amount of time.
  6. Mikhail L. Offline Mikhail L.
    Mikhail L. 21 January 2022 11: 21
    0
    "Minsk-2 provides for the adoption by Ukraine of a new Constitution, according to which the rebellious republics will be granted autonomy.
    Official Kiev is justifiably afraid that such a legislative precedent will lead to separation from the "competent" Center and other regions!
    The collapse of Ukraine and the division of its territory between the West and the Russian Federation is a compromise option, which E. Blinken apparently hinted at!
    1. Bakht Offline Bakht
      Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 21 January 2022 11: 30
      0
      This is not a compromise.
      The first question. When Ukraine is divided, who will the western regions go to?
      1. Mikhail L. Offline Mikhail L.
        Mikhail L. 21 January 2022 11: 32
        0
        Isn't it premature to translate the issue into a practical plane?
        1. Bakht Offline Bakht
          Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 21 January 2022 12: 24
          0
          In general, there is no need to consider the possibility that Kiev will comply with the Minsk agreements. We would like to have done it a long time ago. They need to completely rewrite the Constitution. Recognize the federal structure of the state.
          A purely practical question. Amendments to the Constitution are carried out based on the results of a referendum. There is no preparation for a referendum, no desire to hold it. And the new Constitution will no longer have Crimea.
          The implementation of the Minsk agreements is the same trolling as the NATO ultimatum. This will never happen.
          1. Mikhail L. Offline Mikhail L.
            Mikhail L. 21 January 2022 13: 39
            0
            False message.
            Changing the Constitution of Ukraine does not involve a referendum, but an agreement "Minsk-2".
            1. Bakht Offline Bakht
              Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 21 January 2022 14: 53
              +2
              Do not understand.
              Change of the Constitution only by the decision of a referendum. There are no other options.
              There is an explanation that the laws of Ukraine that contradict the Constitution can be considered in the Rada and adopted by at least two-thirds of the deputies.
              And the Constitution says that Ukraine is a single indivisible unitary state. There are no federations.
              1. Mikhail L. Offline Mikhail L.
                Mikhail L. 21 January 2022 20: 09
                -2
                ... There is no referendum!

                On July 2, 2015, President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko submitted draft law No. 2217a “On Amendments to the Constitution of Ukraine (in terms of decentralization of power)” for consideration by the Parliament. On July 9, the bill was approved by the Venice Commission. The bill provides for amendments to the Constitution of Ukraine, which fixes the departure from the centralized model of government and introduces a new system of territorial organization of power in Ukraine. On July 16, the Rada, with 288 votes “for” (57 “against” with 10 abstentions and 19 deputies who did not vote), sent the bill for consideration to the Constitutional Court of Ukraine. 31 of the Constitution of Ukraine and do not provide for the abolition or restriction of the rights and freedoms of man and citizen.
                1. Bakht Offline Bakht
                  Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 21 January 2022 21: 06
                  +2
                  Article 2. The sovereignty of Ukraine extends to its entire territory. Ukraine is a unitary state.
                  The territory of Ukraine within the existing border is integral and inviolable.

                  Article 5. Ukraine is a republic.
                  The right to determine and change the constitutional order in Ukraine belongs exclusively to the people and cannot be usurped by the state, its bodies or officials.

                  Article 69 referendum and other forms of direct democracy.

                  Article 72. All-Ukrainian referendum is called by the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine or the President of Ukraine in accordance with their powers established by this Constitution.
                  An all-Ukrainian referendum is announced on a popular initiative at the request of at least three million citizens of Ukraine with the right to vote, provided that signatures regarding the calling of a referendum are collected in at least two-thirds of the regions and at least one hundred thousand signatures in each region.

                  Article 73. The issues of changing the territory of Ukraine are exclusively decided by an all-Ukrainian referendum.
                  1. Mikhail L. Offline Mikhail L.
                    Mikhail L. 21 January 2022 21: 39
                    -1
                    Interpretation of the Constitution of Ukraine is the prerogative of the Constitutional Court.
                    And he recognized the legitimacy of specific changes by the Law of the Verkhovna Rada.
                    The Venice Commission also recognized the proposed innovations as consistent with the Constitution of Ukraine!
                    1. Bakht Offline Bakht
                      Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 21 January 2022 21: 47
                      0
                      What exactly is the change in Articles 157 and 158?

                      New edition of Art. 157 of the Constitution of Ukraine. The Constitution of Ukraine cannot be changed if the changes provide for the abolition or restriction of human and civil rights and freedoms, or if they are aimed at eliminating the independence or violating the territorial integrity of Ukraine. The Constitution of Ukraine cannot be changed under martial law or a state of emergency.

                      New edition of Art. 158 of the Constitution of Ukraine. The draft law on amendments to the Constitution of Ukraine, which was considered by the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine, and the law was not adopted, may be submitted to the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine not earlier than one year from the date of adoption of a decision on this bill. The Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine during the term of its powers cannot change the same provisions of the Constitution of Ukraine twice.

                      Consideration of the bill in the second, final reading was scheduled for 2016, but never took place.
                      1. Mikhail L. Offline Mikhail L.
                        Mikhail L. 21 January 2022 21: 53
                        -1
                        Legal disputes are not for this resource, and not within our mutual competence.
                        Getting personal is not my level.
                        But except for you, dear, no one disputes the legality of the approval of a specific clause of Minsk-2 by the Law of the Verkhovna Rada.
                        On the contrary!
                      2. Bakht Offline Bakht
                        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 21 January 2022 21: 59
                        +1
                        I don't seem to get personal. I'm just giving links.
                        I agree that this is purely a legal dispute. Let us accept as a fact that the referendum is provided for in the Constitution of Ukraine. Changes in the Constitution regarding the territorial structure have not yet been adopted.

                        The fact that Poroshenko made changes to articles 157 and 158 just concerned the implementation of paragraph 11 of the Minsk agreements. He stated this clearly. This change has not been accepted. That's all I wanted to say.

                        I agree with you in that paragraph that these changes were made to the Rada, were approved by the Constitutional Court and recognized as lawful by the Venice Commission. But the Verkhovna Rada did not accept them.
                      3. Mikhail L. Offline Mikhail L.
                        Mikhail L. 21 January 2022 22: 06
                        -1
                        It was I who was forced to switch to a personality, which makes me feel uncomfortable.
                        The "independent" Verkhovna Rada did not accept them, because ... the rogue signatory did not initially plan to fulfill his obligations under the Minsk agreements!
                      4. Bakht Offline Bakht
                        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 21 January 2022 22: 13
                        +3
                        An article about what will happen if Kiev implements the Minsk agreements. The position of the Ukrainian side is

                        The current Ukrainian position can be summarized as follows:

                        1. amend paragraph 9 of the Minsk Package of Measures so that the full return of the border to Ukrainian control is completed before local elections or on the day they are held;

                        2. change paragraph 11 of the Minsk Package of Measures. Fixing a permanent special status in the Constitution of Ukraine is politically unacceptable, and therefore unrealizable in practice. Issues of special status can only be considered in the context of the ongoing decentralization process in Ukraine, with some compromises regarding the use of the Russian language;

                        3. Refuse to withdraw forces along the entire line of contact. Instead, after the disengagement at three new points, we should move on to discussing the withdrawal of all the forces of the republics from the demarcation line, their disarmament, as well as the implementation of point 10 of the Minsk Package of Measures (withdrawal of all foreign troops) that was taken out of the sequence of steps. In addition, Russia must take measures to dissolve the state structures of the republics. All these conditions must be met in order to hold local elections in the Donbass;

                        4. move as quickly as possible to the discussion of the parameters of the law on local elections in Donbass, without discussing the issues of managing the uncontrolled territories after the restoration of Ukrainian sovereignty over them;

                        5. Simultaneously hold local elections in the non-government-controlled and government-controlled territories in October 2020.

                        Kiev cannot go to the implementation of the Minsk agreements in principle.
                        Moscow cannot agree with the Ukrainian Wishlist in principle.

                        There is a compromise option. But Kiev will not go for it either. Compromise is also unfavorable for Russia. There are a lot of side lines. For Russia, the survival of the Ukrainian state is not a priority. The priority is building a security system in Europe. The West is not going for it. First and foremost, the States. So the question of Ukraine is not fundamental for Russia. It will be resolved only within the framework of the common security system in Europe. Three meetings at the beginning of this year showed that the West does not provide any security guarantees. Talking about Ukraine in these conditions no longer makes sense.
  • Bulanov Offline Bulanov
    Bulanov (Vladimir) 21 January 2022 11: 48
    0
    Let's start with what money will go to the LDNR? If Ukrainian, from Kiev, then it will happen, as with the Republic of Crimea in the 1990s. They will stop financing state employees and that's it, without money, nowhere.
  • Eduard Aplombov Offline Eduard Aplombov
    Eduard Aplombov (Eduard Aplombov) 21 January 2022 12: 36
    0
    it is possible to defeat the enemy from the outside while the fifth column is in power in the center and at the local levels, at a great cost and for a while, after a while everything will return to normal, the comprador power that blooms and smells in Russia is waiting for the GDP to leave and the rollback from confrontation will begin with the West, they are nicer that they live in Western values, that in Russia, despite the current confrontation, everything is focused on Western-style propaganda, films, TV, social networks, teaching schoolchildren, LGBT propaganda, the life and morals of the oligarchy and its offspring, the inequality of life
    if you put things in order with security, then put it in both foreign and domestic policy, mercilessly towards friends and enemies
    and then we play tutu and then they wrapped the fish ...
  • Vladimir501 Offline Vladimir501
    Vladimir501 (Vladimir) 21 January 2022 15: 46
    +1
    It will never happen, because it never will.
  • gorskova.ir Offline gorskova.ir
    gorskova.ir (Irina Gorskova) 21 January 2022 17: 48
    +1
    Somewhat (to put it mildly) primitive conclusion. The DPR, LPR are people who defend themselves from the last of the "Shukhevychs and gangs who have put on Hitler's tsatski. This is NOT Russia. For now. But there is no need for Russia to invade Ukraine at the beckoning-incantations of American figures. It is enough as Russian "partners" supply the Ukrvsushniks and ba and if these republics are also recognized, then .... Suffice it to recall how the "formidable Georgians" fled under the leadership of a tie-eater.
  • baltika3 Offline baltika3
    baltika3 (baltika3) 21 January 2022 20: 09
    0
    Is our government ready to provide all these people who will inevitably find themselves on Russian territory in the position and status of refugees with shelter, food, employment and everything else?

    Well, they didn’t give them passports for this, so that they left for Russia. They should stay there, create a mass. Svidomo will gradually disperse to Europe, and the Russians of Donbass will become the majority in the country and will vote for joining the Russian Federation.
    The same thing has been implemented in the Baltics for 30 years. Nobody calls Russians from there and does not accept them. Yes, they themselves are not torn - people have an understanding of their task.
  • Robby Offline Robby
    Robby (Robby) 22 January 2022 00: 07
    +1
    the author, apparently, is not catching up ... If the Ukrainians fully comply with the Minsk agreements, khokhlandia, as "anti-Russia", will disappear from the world map. The headache of Russia on the border with Khokhlostan and other goodies will disappear. First, the author should read these agreements, and think with his head, if any. And, only then, try to depict something on a sheet.
    Everything that is written is MY IMHO!!!
  • Oleg Bratkov Offline Oleg Bratkov
    Oleg Bratkov (Oleg Bratkov) 22 January 2022 01: 04
    0
    And the unitary Ukraine suddenly, contrary to the wishes of the Ukrainian Nazis, will become a federal state? And the forelocks will suddenly fall in love with the Russian language?
    C'mon ...
  • Oleg Bratkov Offline Oleg Bratkov
    Oleg Bratkov (Oleg Bratkov) 22 January 2022 01: 10
    0
    Quote: Mikhail L.
    ...The Venice Commission also recognized the proposed innovations as consistent with the Constitution of Ukraine!

    And what's with the commission? What right, or what does it have to do with the constitution of Ukraine? External control, or what, an official hint?