Satanovsky: Russia has reimbursed all the costs of Nord Stream 2 and is no longer dependent on it

January 20 2022 26

The EU wants to be seen as an independent player in the geopolitical arena. Therefore, he is offended by Russia, which is communicating about Ukraine with the United States and NATO. This was announced on January 19 during the program "Full Contact" on the YouTube channel "Soloviev LIVE" by political scientist Yevgeny Satanovsky.

Borrell circles around like an offended vulture and says: “Why do you only talk with the Americans and NATO, but what about the European Union?” At the same time, they don’t say to him: “Well, guys, you are nobody and there is no way to call you, and there will be no benefit from you, except for harm.” But in general, in the present, the situation is precisely this.

- the expert noted.

He drew attention to the fact that, under US pressure, the EU is in no hurry to certify the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline, despite the severe energy crisis in Europe caused by the failure of the “environmental agenda” promoted by the Europeans. Thus, the EU authorities demonstrate their lack of independence and inefficiency.

At the same time, Russia does not lose anything, since it has already reimbursed all the costs, i.e. money spent on the mentioned gas transportation project. Now Moscow is no longer dependent on Nord Stream 2.

Here it is (Nord Stream-2 - ed.) does not comply with EU rules: "We will certify it for a long, long time." It reminds me a little of "Rus, give up." Yes, at least do not certify it at all. The situation with prices on the gas market, driven into the sky thanks to the idiocy of those who built this gas strategy, allowed Gazprom, generally speaking, to justify the construction of Nord Stream 2 by not letting a single cubic meter of gas flow through it. And it has already paid off. Don't you think this is good business?

he told the leader.

Satanovsky pointed out that it is possible to engage in crazy speculation in the market, but not always and not endlessly. He stated that the EU, which found itself in a difficult situation, is to blame for this itself.

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gorenina91

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20 January 2022 13: 53

Satanovsky: Russia has reimbursed all the costs of Nord Stream 2 and is no longer dependent on it

- Well, well - Satanovsky "put it well" ...
- But all this is reminiscent of something "begging"; coming from Russia - they say, well, we gave everyone "your" - to earn beyond measure on the market, speculating on Russian gas ... - Well, you have already enriched yourself so well ... - at our expense ... - Well, So let's make some money for us...
- And then we built a pipe ... - we should at least pay for it - all its construction ... - Let us at least pay for this construction ...
- And what, supposedly:

Russia has reimbursed all the costs of Nord Stream 2 and is no longer dependent on it

- It's like this Russia this SP-2 - suddenly "repaid" ???
- This gas-filled pipe has been standing for several months - and only huge money continues to "eat" - continues to eat funds for the maintenance of the pipe (service, pumping stations, dispatchers, etc., etc. - who pays for this ???) ...
- It's like a passenger train (this is a very mild comparison) ... - a train full of passengers (who bought tickets); conductors, conductors, drivers, etc. - a train that has not been going anywhere for several months ... - But passengers need to be fed, you have to pay salaries to conductors, conductors, drivers, etc. ... - And then the passengers also go to court they will serve them - they weren’t taken anywhere ... - And all this (debts) only increases ...
- So the dependence on SP-2 is only increasing and increasing ...
1. Dear sofa expert.
  
  +3
  
  20 January 2022 14: 37
  
  - It's like this Russia this SP-2 - suddenly "repaid" ???
  
  The pipe is “standing”, gas prices are rising. At these increased prices, they choose the remaining gas from underground storage facilities.
  This is "surplus".
  That's how it "repaid".
  And if SP2 was already working, the prices would be much lower. And the rest of the gas from UGS facilities would not have brought even a third of today's profit.
  UGS facilities will soon be completely empty and they will have to be filled anyway.
  Let gas through SP2 or use 100% of the capacity of the SP, it doesn't play a big role.
  The price of gas will not fall so quickly.
  The profit from the "conflict" of SP2 is obvious.
  
  This gas-filled pipe has been standing for months
  
  technical gas. (see = air)
  1. gorenina91
    
    -12
    
    20 January 2022 15: 22
    
    The pipe is “standing”, gas prices are rising. At these increased prices, they choose the remaining gas from underground storage facilities.
    This is "surplus".
    That's how it "repaid".
    
    - Oh, what a sweet fairy tale - for ... for ... for the kids ... - Directly about the "Magic Pot" ... - One has only to say - "Cook the pot !!!" - And the pot will boil porridge as much as you like (directly from the air) ... - But this is just right for children - to believe in such a thing ... - But for adults - all this is somehow already ... unlikely .. .
    - And why is it suitable to do this only with gas ???
    - And why not do this with ... mmmm ... - with the supply of grain ...
    - If they would drive trains with grain to the border of Western Europe (or completely empty trains - but they would say; that they contain grain ... - Hahah) ... - and these trains would stand and "mow down the margin" - directly from air ... - And Western Europe - at that time would eat up the last grains ... - But it would only continue to "unfasten" money (sorry - for vulgarity) - for standing empty trains ...
    - Do you yourself believe in this? - Or was the last time you were told a very bad story in kindergarten ???
    - Who even brought such nonsense - that, supposedly, SP-2 - costs and earns money (and has already "paid for itself") ...
    - Is there a site kindergarten opened here, or what ??? - It even becomes embarrassing ... - it seems that all people are already adults ...
    1. Dear sofa expert.
      
      +4
      
      20 January 2022 16: 09
      
      And why not do this with ... mmmm ... - with the supply of grain.
      
      Is there a shortage of grain in Europe?
      
      And there is gas.
      
      Stay on topic.
      
      Who even brought such nonsense - that, supposedly, SP-2 - costs and earns money
      
      Indeed .. if SP2 had not stood, gas prices would not have risen so much. With a low price, there is more profit, right?)
      
      Interesting "your brother" logic, however.)
      1. zenion
        
        -1
        
        21 January 2022 17: 27
        
        After all, there is a contractual price, how much per liter. That's what they drive for. And those who receive it can do whatever they want with the gas, because it is already their gas. What benefits does Russia have from this? After all, gas is sold by an intermediary.
        
        Dear sofa expert.
        
        +3
        
        21 January 2022 17: 43
        
        What benefits does Russia have from this? After all, gas is sold by an intermediary.
        
        There, one step down, the next commentator has already explained this:
        
        Gazprom delivers gas to Germany at a price much lower than the spot, despite the fact that these agreements are concluded with wholesale companies that sell gas to consumers from spot sites. So the three largest such German companies belong to Gazprom. They buy at 270-290 and sell...
        
        They also own UGS facilities.
        
        zenion
        
        -6
        
        21 January 2022 17: 57
        
        Do they also keep money in Russia?
        
        Dear sofa expert.
        
        0
        
        21 January 2022 19: 27
        
        Do they also keep money in Russia?
        
        Yes, most likely in a stocking.
    2. Then
      
      +6
      
      20 January 2022 20: 05
      
      Quote: gorenina91
      - Is there a site kindergarten opened here, or what ??? - It's even embarrassing.
      
      It's embarrassing when you talk about a topic without understanding anything about it. And not knowing anything about the gas market. For starters, gas prices under "long" contracts today depend to varying degrees on spot prices. Therefore, prices for all buyers have risen markedly under the influence of these prices. Gazprom delivers gas to Germany at a price much lower than the spot, despite the fact that these agreements are concluded with wholesale companies that sell gas to consumers from spot sites. So the three largest such German companies belong to Gazprom. They buy at a price of 270-290 and sell ... well, you yourself look at the prices on the spot. They already have 1000 dollars for 1000 cubic meters is considered cheap. This is if very briefly. Well, your analogy with the train is simply not to the village .... at all.
      1. gorenina91
        
        -10
        
        21 January 2022 03: 05
        
        Well, your analogy with the train is simply not to the village .... at all.
        
        - Okay...
        - Let there not be a passenger train (with passengers) - but there will be a train with ... with ... with nesting dolls ...
        - I think that now for some it will be more clear ...
        
        Monster_Fat
        
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        21 January 2022 06: 47
        
        It is useless to explain something to them. They see how the media are screaming that gas prices have exceeded $ 1000, which means that gas from Gazprom has automatically risen in price to these values and Gazprom has already paid for everything and is rowing profits with a shovel. They don't even listen to their president, who quite recently directly said "what and how" and at what price Gazprom sells and will sell gas. Alas, the gentlemen don’t have brains at all, or they don’t have enough to get to the heart of the issue, to understand the principles of gas trading and how exchange, spot gas prices differ, how the gas price under long-term contracts is formed according to the formula ... I’m already tired of to write this. The cheers-potreots seem to have blinders on like a riding horse - they only see in front - the cherished figure of 1000-2000 and saliva is already dripping - how! , we have them all!
        
        gorenina91
        
        -10
        
        21 January 2022 06: 57
        
        They don't even listen to their president, who quite recently directly said "what and how" and at what price Gazprom sells and will sell gas. Alas, the gentlemen don’t have brains at all, or they don’t have enough to get to the heart of the issue, to understand the principles of gas trading and how exchange, spot gas prices differ, how the gas price under long-term contracts is formed according to the formula ... I’m already tired of to write this.
        
        - Yes, they even have "a stake on their head" - they will still consider that they are in a chic barbershop, where they get a fashionable haircut ...... - There's nothing to be done ...
        - My plus to you, Mr. Monster_Fat (Yes, What's the Difference)...
        
        Then
        
        +5
        
        21 January 2022 15: 03
        
        Quote: Monster_Fat
        There are no brains at all, alas, the gentlemen, or there are not enough of them to get to the bottom of the issue
        
        You seem to have an abundance of brains. Then tell us what kind of companies are Wingas, WIEH, WIEE, WINZ? Whose are they, what volumes and at what price are they selling? Who is the ultimate beneficiary of all this action? So let's see who has blinders and who has a welder's mask ...
        
        Monster_Fat
        
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        21 January 2022 16: 26
        
        Ask Friedman.
        
        Then
        
        +1
        
        22 January 2022 13: 24
        
        Quote: Monster_Fat
        Ask Friedman.
        
        Well, that is, you don’t know .... then read what knowledgeable people write and say, do not get in their way with your lack of knowledge and excess of teenage ambitions.
    3. Pishenkov
      
      +3
      
      20 January 2022 22: 58
      
      I am not very sure that SP-2 has already paid off, because I do not know its real cost, and I (like the majority of the vast majority) do not know exactly how much Gazprom's profits have grown in real numbers due to the rocket price increase in the EU.
      But even if we look at known data, such as existing deliveries, the difference in the price of the contract and the real spot + the difference from the planned pre-crisis exchange price, how much the deliveries increased over the contract, then today it turns out that Gazprom's revenues, in principle, correspond to the same as if the joint venture -2 was already working, and prices would have remained at the pre-crisis level, and even more...
      So at the moment, even the standing SP-2 of Russia is definitely not at a loss, at least. Also, do not forget that half of the Russian money in this project, the rest of the Western companies. And this is only the NS-2 itself, not counting all the infrastructure that the EU has long since quietly built for this project, in particular in the Czech Republic, Germany and Austria with their own money.
      And as a result of this whole situation, it turns out that SP-2, which in the United States is considered almost the main trump card against Putin, as a result of their own efforts, is losing its real importance for the Russian Federation every day, while striking with its very existence on the EU economy and relations between Europe and the USA.
      All this is characterized by a well-known proverb: "Do not dig a hole for another, ..."
2. Alexey Konyaev
  
  0
  
  22 January 2022 09: 20
  
  Yes, but this dependence is mutual, the bankruptcy of energy suppliers, factories throughout the EU, the dissatisfaction of the population with the high cost of utility bills, especially in those countries where there are no long-term contracts. Meanwhile, the "gas train" is standing at the border, just open the valve)) Otherwise, in the near future, this "train" will go to China or it will be unloaded and a tanker will be sent to the same Western Europe at a more expensive price. In general, there is nowhere to make the situation worse, only in the EU, if only the United States would not be angry!
Sergey Latyshev

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20 January 2022 14: 19

And, again, a sweet explanation on the ears from 2 polished "experts".
Such knowledge in "economics and politics" is for the crowd, but in real life they would be kicked out of work for this .... to PR people ...
AND

+4

20 January 2022 21: 30

Quote: Sergey Latyshev
And, again, a sweet explanation on the ears from 2 polished "experts".
Such knowledge in "economics and politics" is for the crowd, but in real life they would be kicked out of work for this .... to PR people ...

Are you spreading propaganda with gorenina91 again? It's funny to read your about European fairy tales. You always confuse the meaning of everything written and translate the arrows to other topics, but the message is the same, to humiliate all the achievements of the Russian Federation. Traitors!!!
Expert_Analyst_Forecaster

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21 January 2022 08: 06

Quote: Pyshenkov
I am not very sure that SP-2 has already paid off, because I do not know its real cost, and I (like the majority of the vast majority) do not know exactly how much Gazprom's profits have grown in real numbers due to the rocket price increase in the EU.

On the Internet, the cost of SP2 was quoted many times. Gazprom recently published its results in billion rubles. for 11 months of 2021 and compared to 2020. So, although not arithmetically accurate, there are good reasons to believe that the price increase compensated for the costs of building NS2 and the crumbs that are spent on maintaining it in working condition.
1. Monster_Fat
  
  -3
  
  21 January 2022 11: 08
  
  In 2008, Gazprom's capitalization was $360 billion. At the end of 2021, only $102 billion. What does this say? That's right - about "successful" management and how Gazprom "pays for itself" and "rakes in profits with a shovel." Just now I read an article in the Economic Review entitled "Gazprom reduced gas supplies to the EU by 40%." This article clearly states that gas from Gazprom is no longer purchased in the EU, but Norwegian gas and LNG are purchased from the USA. I advise you to read. The United States has achieved its goal - the European gas market, at an accelerating pace, is slipping out of the hands of Gazprom. Amen.
Expert_Analyst_Forecaster

+2

21 January 2022 11: 20

Quote: Monster_Fat
In 2008, Gazprom's capitalization was $360 billion. At the end of 2021, only $102 billion. What does this say?

This does not mean anything.
The company produces gas and delivers it to consumers. In the same or even larger volumes compared to 2008. And it makes a profit from the sale of gas. Which is growing. 2020 fell out, and 2021 made up for the shortfall. And spit on the fact that the capitalization of the company the West spread rot. Gazprom is the real resource of the country, and let the virtual capitalization change as it pleases.
Expert_Analyst_Forecaster

+5

21 January 2022 11: 28

Quote: Monster_Fat
This article clearly states that gas from Gazprom is no longer purchased in the EU, but Norwegian gas and LNG are purchased from the USA.

I have read this article. And I know that you are lying. Gas from Russia is supplied under long-term contracts. And Norwegian gas is purchased in slightly larger volumes than before. Yes, American LNG began to flow in larger quantities. Yeah, if you take a period of two weeks, then a lot of it came. What if we take a year?
And secondly, why is it bad that our gas goes to Europe by 40% less than before?
Yes, nothing if the cost of gas is 2-3 times higher. The increased profit is more important than the delivered volume.
You have no factual grounds to say that the situation for Gazprom has worsened.
But to stop you from coming up with "All is lost!!!" Of course, I can't.
1. Monster_Fat
  
  -5
  
  21 January 2022 16: 34
  
  Yes, the price is 2-3 times higher, yeah. There are no contracts at this price "2-3 times higher". NO! Once again, for the especially gifted, listen to the last speech of your own president at a briefing on this matter, he said everything about the present and future price.
zzdimk

0

21 January 2022 13: 01

There is a good Danish series about "green energy" - called "Deception". The Danes from the inside showed what it is.
zenion

-5

21 January 2022 17: 20

Reminds me of a boy. So it paid off.

The boy is standing and crying. A man comes up to him - why are you crying? I lost twenty cents. Here's twenty kopecks for you and don't cry. The boy begins to cry even harder, excitedly. Boy what's the matter? If I had not lost twenty kopecks, now I would have forty kopecks.