Three possible Russian responses to the admission of Ukraine and Georgia to the NATO bloc


The main theme of the last few weeks is the possibility of a war between Russia and Ukraine. The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation are actively drawn to the border of Nezalezhnaya, Iskanders and long-range MLRS Uragan are being transferred there, and almost all large landing ships in the Russian Navy are going to the Black Sea. Again. Recall that last spring everything was the same, and no war happened. Does Russia really need this war?


The question is very complex and ambiguous, therefore it is important to formulate it correctly. It would be correct to ask whether Russia needs Ukraine, and if so, what price is it willing to pay for it?

Recall that in 2014, the Kremlin had simply ideal conditions in order to implement the “Belarusian” or “Kazakhstani” scenarios: the fact of a coup d’état was undeniable, the legitimate President Yanukovych was sitting in Rostov, who asked Moscow to send Russian troops (let us not to believe that this was later refuted), there was only one combat-ready battalion of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the whole of Ukraine. How Maidan could have ended in 2014 can be judged by Belarus in 2020 and Kazakhstan in 2022. It was enough to show a firm position and support a friendly country at that time in the matter of restoring constitutional order.

But, alas, this was not done. A high price has already been paid for this: thousands of dead and wounded on both sides of the armed conflict in Donbas, severing trade and industrial ties with Ukraine, several packages of Western sanctions, the need to build expensive and unnecessary bypass gas pipelines, bullying and brainwashing of the Russian-speaking population. arising in the form of a break in family ties with relatives in Russia, etc. But the "unnecessary" Ukraine was useful to the West. Over the past 8 years of doing nothing on our part since the Maidan, a large and quite combat-ready army has appeared there, a military infrastructure is being built that will be used by the NATO bloc, and in the future - the appearance of elements of the American dual-use missile defense system, at best, or US medium-range nuclear missiles with a minimum flight time to Moscow, at worst.

Let's honestly say that this is a complete fiasco of the Russian foreign policy in the western direction. At the end of 2021, the Kremlin suddenly woke up and realized that Ukraine “unnecessary” to it was useful to the North Atlantic Alliance, and began to put their belated ultimatums. And for some reason, they are not yet impressive to anyone in the West. And why? But because Ukraine was the Rubicon, which showed how far our authorities are really ready to go. "Concerns", bypass gas pipelines and tying hands of their own "proxies" in the LDNR by the Minsk agreements. And who, one wonders, is this supposed to scare? And what, for example, will fundamentally change from the appearance of Russian missiles somewhere in Cuba or Venezuela?

Once again, I would like to emphasize that it was Ukraine that became the symbolic Rubicon, after which our “partners” stopped being afraid of us and completely unbelted. Without it, there would have been no impudent and unrequited destruction of the Russian bomber by the Turks, there would not have been a barbaric bombardment of the "Wagnerites" by American aircraft near Hisham, there would not have been a Russian helicopter shot down with impunity by the Azerbaijani military, the British destroyer "Defender" would not have passed without asking through the territorial waters of Crimea. These are all direct consequences of the Kremlin's vague and inconsistent policy on Ukraine. Belarus of 2020 and Kazakhstan of 2022 are attempts to treat the symptoms of the disease, but not the disease itself.

But how to treat it today, in January 2022, when, with our own connivance, Kiev created a large and quite combat-ready army, which was trained and armed by "Western partners"?

Can Russia defeat Ukraine in a war? Yes, it still can. Only the issue price will be several times higher than it could be in 2014. And do not scare us with the prospect of a Third World Nuclear War because of the Independent, no one in the West will definitely start it. But a direct military invasion will cost the RF Armed Forces a lot of blood, and then problems with partisanship may begin. All these are solvable problems, but for doing nothing in the past 8 years you will have to pay dearly in terms of economics.

According to The New York Times, Russia will be disconnected from the system of financial transactions for attempting a forceful scenario, a ban will be imposed on the import of products with American technology – from smartphones and laptops to refrigerators and washing machines. Domestic defense and aerospace sectors may fall under new tough sanctions, the export of Russian weapons to foreign markets will be complicated. The United States will support Ukraine with weapons. According to other sources, the export of Russian oil and oil products may fall under a complete embargo or quotas. The latter, by the way, fits into the globalist concept of an accelerated "green energy transition".

Is our country ready for such a scenario? Probably not. Judging by the fact that the threshold for spending liquid NWF funds on the real sector of the economy was recently raised from 7% of GDP to 10% of GDP, none of the systemic liberals in the government bothers much with preparing Russia for the possibility of being embargoed.

So what to do? Forget about Ukraine forever and come to terms with the fact that in the event of a preventive strike, American nuclear missiles from near Kharkov will reach Moscow in just a few minutes, or, suddenly alarmed after 8 years of doing nothing, rush to recapture Kiev, Odessa and Lvov from the West? Without claiming to be the ultimate truth, let's take the liberty of expressing three possible reciprocal steps towards the expansion of NATO to the East at the expense of Independent and Georgia.

At first, it is necessary to put the economy at the forefront, without which nowhere. Before it's too late, in order not to be suddenly left with empty stores, you need to purchase, for example, licenses in China for the production of those same laptops, smartphones and refrigerators. Older people remember what the times of shortage are, in which the United States can return us overnight. There is a need for comprehensive import substitution with the production of essential and non-essential goods under a license or in the format of joint ventures. And this should be done in advance, and not when Western sanctions have already been introduced, and everything will become even more difficult.

If we ignore refrigerators and flat-screen TVs, the importance of which for a normal comfortable life should not be underestimated, then the country needs its own economic development project, the role of which, for example, is fully claimed by the new internal colonization of Siberia and the Far East proposed by Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu. The town-planning program has enormous potential for infrastructural and industrial development of the country. It is more efficient and more reliable to invest the funds of the National Welfare Fund not in American “wrappers”, but in yourself.

Secondly, the NATO bloc, or rather, its main "ringleaders", must be answered in their own "backyard". For example, it is possible to help Syrian and Iraqi patriots with weapons to intensify the fight against the American occupiers, who should begin to burn the ground under their feet.

Let no one in Cuba need our nuclear missiles, but Moscow could sell to Havana at a discount the Iskander-E OTRK, multi-role fighters and front-line bombers, the S-300 and S-400 air defense systems, the Bal and Bastion anti-ship systems , as well as long-range MLRS "Smerch" and "Hurricane". The military-political subjectivity of the Island of Freedom will radically increase from this, and the Guantanamo base, the neighboring state of Florida and US Navy ships in the Caribbean will be targeted by Cuban patriots.

Also, the listed weapons could be delivered to the patriots of Argentina in their rightful cause for the de-occupation of the Malvinas Islands by the British. By the way, China has been helping Argentina for a long time in strengthening its defense capability. In response to the activation of Great Britain in Ukraine and Hong Kong, Moscow and Beijing have the right to assist in conducting a naval operation to expel her from the Falkland Islands.

The transfer of hostilities to the territory of the enemy is a more effective step than simply sitting in a dead passive defense.

Thirdly, do not forget about Ukraine itself. Let's take the military scenario out of the equation for now, but we'll keep it ready as a last resort. It would be more rational to scatter and disperse enemy forces in several directions at once. It can be at the same time a local “gas Maidan” caused by the population’s dissatisfaction with the increase in tariffs, a rebellion of disobedience by a number of officers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, real Ukrainian patriots who refuse to obey Kiev’s criminal orders (with whom our intelligence would have worked first), as well as a simultaneous counteroffensive of the militia in the Donbass, which will inevitably lead to the collapse of the pro-Western puppet regime in Nezalezhnaya.

Then, most importantly, do not yawn and do not limit yourself to “concerns”.
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  1. Mikhail L. Offline Mikhail L.
    Mikhail L. 20 January 2022 12: 33
    +3
    That's it: it is necessary to put the economy at the forefront, without which nowhere!
    Only China should not have bought licenses for the production of laptops and refrigerators long ago, but ... their example of accelerated economic development.
    Then all the current insoluble problems of the Russian Federation would not exist at all!
    And better late than never!
    The military solution is very flimsy!
    1. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 20 January 2022 12: 39
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      Without the economy, nowhere, but the economy alone is no longer enough. Military-political decisions are required.
      1. alexneg13 Offline alexneg13
        alexneg13 (Alexander) 24 January 2022 05: 43
        -1
        Then, when the Maidan was taking place, Russia did not have enough "resources" (military and economic) for the whole of Ukraine and limited itself only to Crimea. And without resources - this is a deliberate loss. Donbass then Russia asked not to hold a referendum, but to wait a bit, but what happened happened. Not everything is as smooth as it seems from the outside. And Russia, meanwhile, was building up its muscles, and now, when there are enough resources for both the former Soviet republics and the West itself, it's time to show bear teeth. And to arrange provocations during the Olympics, when the other side knows about it, is clinical stupidity (they cannot deviate from the training manual), unless these idiots are scared to death before the Olympics. After all, it was not just that they were given the conditions to give an answer before the start of events in China. They do not understand that they will get on the head not only from Russia, but also from China. And perhaps India will join them in order to show the "exceptional" their place once and for all. The elders say that the most punishable thing in Nature is hypocrisy. So the boomerang flies towards these hypocrites.
  2. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 20 January 2022 12: 51
    +6
    First, it is necessary to put the economy at the forefront, without which there is nowhere.

    When there are years of guaranteed security ahead, then yes. The economy is the most important. But in 2014, for example, they returned Crimea, and did not wait for the creation of an ideal and invulnerable Russian economy. In my opinion they did it right. And now, too, it is not clear how much time is left to a hopeless state.
    And the sanctions... After all, they can be introduced for any reason. And, if you choose between sanctions or the deterioration of the country's security, then I would still choose sanctions.
    1. Mikhail L. Offline Mikhail L.
      Mikhail L. 20 January 2022 13: 38
      +1
      Crimea was not returned - in fact: it returned by itself at the behest of the inhabitants of the peninsula.
      And the population of Ukraine itself: looks at the West, but not at the "rich" Russian Federation!
      1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 20 January 2022 13: 50
        +4
        Crimea was not returned - in fact, it returned on its own, at the behest of the inhabitants of the peninsula.

        If there were no political decision in Moscow, Crimea would still be in Ukraine.

        And the population of Ukraine itself: looks at the West, but not at the "rich" Russian Federation!

        One sided truth. Yes, all people look at more successful and wealthy people or countries.
        Also in Russia. But there is a second side - nothing changes from looking. You must either immigrate or change your life in the most radical way. What 95% do not want to do.
        But moving from Ukraine to Russia, especially without doing anything special, is an option.
        For some reason, the same Tajiks go to Russia, and not to the USA. Even though wages are higher.
        1. Mikhail L. Offline Mikhail L.
          Mikhail L. 20 January 2022 15: 45
          +1
          One sided truth
          there would be no desire of the inhabitants of Crimea - no political decision in Moscow would return the peninsula;
          "looking" changes ... the power in the country and the political course!
      2. Kapany3 Offline Kapany3
        Kapany3 21 January 2022 10: 07
        +1
        Quote: Mikhail L.
        Crimea was not returned - in fact: it returned by itself at the behest of the inhabitants of the peninsula.
        And the population of Ukraine itself: looks at the West, but not at the "rich" Russian Federation!

        This is stupid demagoguery, the inhabitants of Crimea, with all due respect to them, could not return on their own, without a decision made in Moscow.
  3. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 20 January 2022 12: 58
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    but Moscow could sell Havana at a discount OTRK "Iskander-E", multi-role fighters and front-line bombers, S-300 and S-400 air defense systems, anti-ship systems "Bal" and "Bastion", as well as long-range MLRS "Smerch" and "Hurricane ".

    Truth? Well sold))) at a discount of 99% weapons. So, what is next? Cuba will attack the US? So Cuba does not have specialists to use the received weapons. Yes, and there are no fools to harness for Russia. What kind of youthful dreams do you have that adult uncles will come and rake up your problems. Empty hopes. Everything will have to be decided by ourselves now.
    1. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 20 January 2022 13: 58
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      Truth? Well sold))) at a discount of 99% weapons. So, what is next? Cuba will attack the US? So Cuba does not have specialists to use the received weapons. Yes, and there are no fools to harness for Russia. What kind of youthful dreams do you have that adult uncles will come and rake up your problems. Empty hopes. Everything will have to be decided by ourselves now.

      Professionals can and should be trained. By the way, this is the basis for the legalization of the Russian military presence.
      Cuba will not attack the US, but by the fact of its rearmament it will create a source of tension in the underbelly of the US.
      P.S. I am no longer a young man and not naive. And you would be easier to pick up a nickname.
      1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 20 January 2022 14: 12
        +3
        Cuba will not attack the US, but by the fact of its rearmament it will create a source of tension in the underbelly of the US.

        Truth? Will the ant take the reed and become the elephant's source of tension? Doubtful.

        P.S. I am no longer a young man and not naive. And you would be easier to pick up a nickname.

        And hopes, nevertheless youthful.
        About my nickname. This is irony, nothing more. If you please, I am a sofa analyst and military expert with the rank of sergeant.
      2. Fourth Horseman Offline Fourth Horseman
        Fourth Horseman (Fourth Horseman) 21 January 2022 07: 37
        -2
        No offense, but indeed, the percentage of naivety is quite high.
        1. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
          Marzhecki (Sergei) 21 January 2022 08: 16
          -1
          No offense, but indeed, the percentage of naivety is quite high.

          Oh, where do I care for seasoned experts, Chekists and other geopoliticians. hi You know and understand better than me.
          1. Fourth Horseman Offline Fourth Horseman
            Fourth Horseman (Fourth Horseman) 21 January 2022 09: 03
            +1
            Well, here are the insults.
            You can carry water.
      3. Ksv Offline Ksv
        Ksv (Sergei) 21 January 2022 17: 01
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        Cuba has huge economic problems, they won’t buy anything. At most they will say, Well, out of respect for you, we are ready to provide our territory for placing your weapons, for rent :-). Of course, they will also take it for free.
        In addition, the Americans are able to blockade the island, we simply won’t be able to bring them all this weapons, in fact it will end in a political slap in the face and a fall in our image (there is also a risk of a new Caribbean crisis)
        It is much easier to create missile bases in Chukotka, Alaska is already across a small strait.
        And besides, our government will not provoke America so much, the guts are thin! And the whole world will receive evidence that we are escalating!
      4. Bitter Offline Bitter
        Bitter 23 January 2022 19: 38
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        Why is a Russian capitalist better than an American one? Why should socialist Cubans be the spacer for tension between two capitalists?
  4. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
    Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 20 January 2022 13: 04
    -3
    First, there is no example in the history of the last 150 years of successful development of the country's economy, which would be in confrontation with the "West".
    Secondly, all sorts of Cubans, Syrian and Iraqi patriots, how will they pay for Iskanders and others like him? Sugarcane? Or will we follow the path of the USSR?
    Thirdly, yeah, after screwing up the gas valve, Ukrainian citizens will directly inflame with love for the Russian Federation. And these real Ukrainian "patriots", officers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine exist in nature?

    PS Russia will not allow Ukraine and Georgia to join NATO until a military operation. Everyone understands this, including in Ukraine and Georgia. Therefore, in the near future, these countries will not be in NATO.
    1. Mikhail L. Offline Mikhail L.
      Mikhail L. 20 January 2022 13: 40
      +1
      Successfully developing China - not in confrontation with the West?
      1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 20 January 2022 14: 00
        -1
        Without Western technologies, loans, and management practices, there would be no Chinese miracle. By the way, are they in a confrontation? Are there already economic sanctions? It seems that China is the main holder of the US national debt.
        1. Mikhail L. Offline Mikhail L.
          Mikhail L. 20 January 2022 15: 53
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          US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said on Fox News that China is the biggest threat to his country. So he answered the question which state poses a greater danger to the United States - Russia or China.
          1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
            Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 20 January 2022 15: 59
            -5
            Well, OK. We have seen how China has developed in cooperation with the West. Now let's see how he will develop in the confrontation with him.
            1. Mikhail L. Offline Mikhail L.
              Mikhail L. 20 January 2022 17: 11
              +1
              Proverb: Do not push, do not harness!
              Is it really the confrontation between the hegemon of the United States and rival ... communist China arose ... recently? And there is hope of a backtracking...USA?
              By the way. Why has Russia not previously "competing" with the US not reached the rate of development of China?
              So isn't it time for Russia to turn back on the beaten path?
              1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 21 January 2022 02: 32
                -3
                I didn't mean to offend anyone...

                Quote: Mikhail L.
                Is it really the confrontation between the hegemon of the United States and rival ... communist China arose ... recently?

                China will feed the United States as opposed to the USSR. I don’t remember in the noughties that there would be a topic of confrontation between China and the United States. Yes, relatively recently.

                Quote: Mikhail L.
                And there is hope of a backtracking...USA?

                With regard to the US towards China? In my opinion, it's unlikely. Of course, China is still far from the USSR, but it is moving towards becoming one of the two poles of the world. I don't think the US will look at it calmly.

                Quote: Mikhail L.
                By the way. Why has Russia not previously "competing" with the US not reached the rate of development of China?

                Well, you can write a doctoral dissertation on this topic. For example, because the source of China's growth is the growth of labor productivity, when millions of peasants abandon the plow (in the literal sense, the mechanization of agriculture was low) and get to the machine or to the conveyor, productivity increases many times, if not dozens of times. The USSR did this in 30-60. Twice such a number will not work, the source of growth has been exhausted.

                Quote: Mikhail L.
                So isn't it time for Russia to turn back on the beaten path?

                What is this? Should we follow the path of the USSR or, along the path of China, forget about foreign policy ambitions and focus on economic cooperation with the West?
                1. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
                  Marzhecki (Sergei) 21 January 2022 08: 21
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                  What is this? Should we follow the path of the USSR or, along the path of China, forget about foreign policy ambitions and focus on economic cooperation with the West?

                  As I understand it, forget about ambitions and become an obedient colony of the West - this is your liberal ideal? wink
                  That's why I'm not on the road with you. I'd rather be a "clinical scoop" than a collaborator and internal pest.
                  1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                    Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 21 January 2022 21: 15
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                    Quote: Marzhetsky
                    As I understand it, forget about ambitions and become an obedient colony of the West - this is your liberal ideal?

                    Where did you get this nonsense from? Do not attribute your, frankly, not smart fantasies to me. Japan became a US colony? South Korea? China? Germany, Italy? Serbia? In general, you can list the countries that have become a colony of the West over the past half century. Why Russia, in your opinion, must certainly become? It's just that Ambition must match Ammunition. In the Russian Federation today, this is not the case. Take China as an example. For the last 50 years he has not shown much ambition, but has increased his ammunition.

                    Quote: Marzhetsky
                    That's why I'm not on the road with you. I'd rather be a "clinical scoop" than a collaborator and internal pest.

                    I hear from a collaborator and an internal pest. I do not propose, using the media, to drag the country into a ruinous arms race, into a ruinous and bloody war in Ukraine, into a ruinous free distribution of expensive weapons to third countries (and this will also entail ruinous support for the regimes in these countries, Syria for example) . Yes, you are not something like a foreign agent, but directly an agent of the State Department.
    2. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 20 January 2022 13: 57
      -1
      First, there is no example in the history of the last 150 years of successful development of the country's economy, which would be in confrontation with the "West".

      We will have to develop in cooperation with China. We will no longer have friendship with the West.

      Secondly, all sorts of Cubans, Syrian and Iraqi patriots, how will they pay for Iskanders and others like him? Sugarcane? Or will we follow the path of the USSR?

      We'll have to follow the path of the USSR. You, a clinical liberal, cannot understand in any way that Russia has no other future than to follow the path of the USSR.

      Thirdly, yeah, after screwing up the gas valve, Ukrainian citizens will directly inflame with love for the Russian Federation. And these real Ukrainian "patriots", officers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine exist in nature?

      We do not need the love of Ukrainians. The patriotism of Ukrainian officers can be bought for moderate money and security guarantees in the Russian Federation.
      1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 20 January 2022 15: 03
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        Quote: Marzhetsky
        We will have to develop in cooperation with China. We will no longer have friendship with the West.

        If China is given a choice between the Russian market and the Western market, I strongly doubt that this choice will be in favor of the Russian Federation. This has already happened with the sanctions for Crimea.

        Quote: Marzhetsky
        We'll have to follow the path of the USSR. You, a clinical liberal, cannot understand in any way that Russia has no other future than to follow the path of the USSR.

        How many debts of all sorts of Cub of the USSR wrote off both the USSR and the Russian Federation? You, as a clinical scoop, cannot understand in any way that the path of the USSR leads only to a new 91st. Can we repeat?

        Quote: Marzhetsky
        We do not need the love of Ukrainians. The patriotism of Ukrainian officers can be bought for moderate money and security guarantees in the Russian Federation.

        I have always been surprised by your right-wing imperialism, although you claim to be a leftist.
        No colonel can come to power without the support of at least part of society. Moreover, to retain this power, he will have to be generously sponsored with money. Old Man Lukashenko is an example for you. This will be another bottomless barrel devouring the resources of the Russian Federation.
        1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 20 January 2022 15: 31
          -1
          In general, I agree with you. But you're oversimplifying things. choice between the Russian market and the Western market.
          More difficult choices may arise - trading in the Western market according to their rules, for example. Or trade all over the world according to their rules. Plus, politics inside China is according to their rules.
          And cooperation can be not only economic.
          1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
            Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 20 January 2022 15: 50
            -5
            Quote: Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
            In general, I agree with you. But you're oversimplifying things.

            There is only one point, the choice will not be in favor of the Russian Federation.
            1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 20 January 2022 16: 02
              +1
              If you look back in history, then there were times of the union of Great Britain and the USSR. So I would not be so categorical.
              1. Avarron Offline Avarron
                Avarron (Sergei) 20 January 2022 16: 36
                0
                This alliance only existed because Hitler threatened to wipe Britain off the map. The union of Britain with the USSR was the union of a jackal with a tiger. Britain is Tobacco.
                As soon as the USSR destroyed Hitlerism at the cost of incredible efforts and losses, England immediately merged with the USA against the USSR.
                What military contribution did the Britons make? Dull standing and draping from Dunkirk?
                Unions are created voluntarily, this was the hiding of a jackal under the belly of a tiger.
                1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 20 January 2022 16: 42
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                  Why not have a similar situation in our time? Oleg for some reason thinks that the world will solve all problems by economic methods. And I think that the period of wars is coming. And in times of war, China may have to lean against Russia.
                  And about Britain ... You shouldn't be so. Although the enemies, but the enemies are strong, smart, skillful.
              2. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 20 January 2022 17: 11
                -4
                Union of China and Russia? Are you thinking of helping China build a Chinese-centric world in the interests of the Russian Federation?
                And by the way, communist China is not "the West"?
                1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 20 January 2022 17: 38
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                  And by the way, communist China is not "the West"?

                  Not "west". China's obligation to provide the "west" with relatively simple things at low prices.

                  Are you thinking of helping China build a Chinese-centric world in the interests of the Russian Federation?

                  And that mutually beneficial cooperation is not possible? I think it's quite possible.
                  1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                    Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 20 January 2022 18: 49
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                    Quote: Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
                    Not "west". China's obligation to provide the "west" with relatively simple things at low prices.

                    I'm talking about the fact that the communist theory is the flesh and blood of a Western product, an offshoot of libertarianism, born in the era of enlightenment of the Western world.
                    There is a center, there is a periphery. China is not the periphery of the West?

                    Quote: Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
                    And that mutually beneficial cooperation is not possible? I think it's quite possible.

                    Cooperation is possible, but if China becomes the new hegemon as a result, this is unlikely to reflect the interests of the Russian Federation.
                    1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 20 January 2022 19: 05
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                      I'm talking about the fact that the communist theory is the flesh and blood of a Western product, an offshoot of libertarianism, born in the era of enlightenment of the Western world.

                      I don't understand such complex sentences. It's simple in my head. There are masters and there are servants - privileged and not very privileged. The West is gentlemen. And China and Russia should be simple servants. Who imagined themselves equal to the masters and who are now being put in their place.

                      Cooperation is possible, but if China becomes the new hegemon as a result, this is unlikely to reflect the interests of the Russian Federation.

                      If the Russian Federation becomes the new hegemon as a result, it is unlikely that this will reflect the interests of China belay

                      The usual story. The two team up to get rid of the third. And then solve the problem of leadership among themselves.
                      At the same time, they do not have to compete with each other. Can be supplemented. China is an economy, Russia is a military force. .
                      1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 21 January 2022 23: 03
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                        Quote: Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
                        And China and Russia should be simple servants. Who imagined themselves equal to the masters and who are now being put in their place.

                        This is an exaggeration.

                        Quote: Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
                        If the Russian Federation becomes the new hegemon as a result, it is unlikely that this will reflect the interests of China

                        Do you know what China and the US have in common? China is the first in terms of population, the United States is the third. RF ninth. India is more likely to become a hegemon than Russia. There is no question whether Russia or China claims to be the hegemon. The answer is clear.

                        Quote: Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
                        At the same time, they do not have to compete with each other. Can be supplemented. China is an economy, Russia is a military force.

                        Military power is a reflection of economic power. The legacy of the USSR is not eternal.
        2. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
          Marzhecki (Sergei) 21 January 2022 08: 11
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          If China is given a choice between the Russian market and the Western market, I strongly doubt that this choice will be in favor of the Russian Federation. This has already happened with the sanctions for Crimea.

          It depends on who and how will raise this question, and whether it will.

          How many debts of all sorts of Cub of the USSR wrote off both the USSR and the Russian Federation? You, as a clinical scoop, cannot understand in any way that the path of the USSR leads only to a new 91st. Can we repeat?

          People like you will definitely repeat. The path of the USSR has no alternative, otherwise the collapse of the Russian Federation is already guaranteed.

          I have always been surprised by your right-wing imperialism, although you claim to be a leftist.
          No colonel can come to power without the support of at least part of society. Moreover, to retain this power, he will have to be generously sponsored with money. Old Man Lukashenko is an example for you. This will be another bottomless barrel devouring the resources of the Russian Federation.

          There are still many pro-Russian citizens in Ukraine. He just sit quietly.
          1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
            Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 21 January 2022 20: 50
            -3
            Quote: Marzhetsky
            It depends on who and how will raise this question, and whether it will.

            Probably the same and the same as last time
            https://lenta.ru/news/2018/09/14/from_china_with/?utm_source=rfinance&utm_medium=more

            Quote: Marzhetsky
            People like you will definitely repeat. The path of the USSR has no alternative, otherwise the collapse of the Russian Federation is already guaranteed.

            It's not me who stands up for the revival of a country that has collapsed under the weight of internal problems. As someone said there:

            Anyone who does not dream of returning the USSR does not have a heart. The one who dreams of returning the USSR has no head.

            Dreaming right within the boundaries of 91? Or, as some here suggested, to the borders of 1914. And what kind of country should it be with your right-wing views. I'm afraid to imagine. If your point of view does not prevail in power, with the construction of a bunch of aircraft carriers, being drawn into the war in Ukraine, with the distribution of expensive weapons for free, everything will be fine with Russia. No need to panic.

            Quote: Marzhetsky
            There are still many pro-Russian citizens in Ukraine. He just sit quietly.

            How many people voted for the Opposition Platform - For Life party? thirteen %. Here is the approximate number of pro-Russian citizens.
      2. Energetik42 Offline Energetik42
        Energetik42 (Energetik42) 26 January 2022 23: 29
        -1
        Comrade Marzhetsky, defending such views, you are doing more for the final collapse of the Russian Federation than agents of the State Department. Security for Russia can be ensured not by blackmailing other countries and threatening them, but by respecting other peoples and states.
    3. Ksv Offline Ksv
      Ksv (Sergei) 21 January 2022 17: 05
      0
      I agree about the entry of non-countries into NATO, they are well aware that as soon as strike or nuclear weapons appear there, we will simply destroy them without any ultimatums.
      However, the USSR developed in confrontation with the West, under sanctions, fought with the West, and still developed. Unfortunately, starting with Khrushchev, traitors or fools ruled the USSR. The USSR is of course an exception, besides it is inanimate ...
      1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 21 January 2022 21: 36
        -3
        Quote from ksv
        I agree about the entry of non-countries into NATO, they are well aware that as soon as strike or nuclear weapons appear there, we will simply destroy them without any ultimatums.

        I disagree. So far, no strike, let alone nuclear, weapons have been placed in the new NATO members. And the internationally recognized ones, including the Russian Federation ("understran" what kind of chauvinism is this? And then they are still surprised that it's all breaking into NATO), Ukraine and Georgia without any shock, and even more so nuclear (with what fright it should appear there at all ?) weapons on their territory will not be accepted into NATO, because the Russian Federation will oppose this by all means, including the military.

        Quote from ksv
        However, the USSR developed in confrontation with the West, under sanctions, fought with the West, and still developed. Unfortunately, starting with Khrushchev, traitors or fools ruled the USSR. The USSR is of course an exception, besides it is inanimate ...

        What is the exception? Where is the USSR? As it was developing in cooperation with the West, industrialization would not have been possible without the West, victory in the war was achieved in cooperation with the West. The USSR lost the Cold War with the West.
      2. Energetik42 Offline Energetik42
        Energetik42 (Energetik42) 26 January 2022 23: 34
        0
        In 2014, indeed, many in Ukraine perceived Russia as a fraternal people ... But after reading such comments, the mood quickly changes. Do you really think that by humiliating your neighbors you will ensure your safety?
  5. Alsur Offline Alsur
    Alsur (Alexey) 20 January 2022 13: 37
    +2
    The author and many other Ukrainians, for some reason, blame Russia or Putin for 2014, this is not so, Ukraine itself is to blame for everything.
    1. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 20 January 2022 13: 54
      -1
      Quote: ALSur
      The author and many other Ukrainians, for some reason, blame Russia or Putin for 2014, this is not so, Ukraine itself is to blame for everything.

      Putin is to blame for the fact that he missed all the possibilities in 2014-2015 to neutralize Ukraine bloodlessly or with little blood. And I am not a Ukrainian, but a citizen of the Russian Federation from birth.
      1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 20 January 2022 14: 05
        -2
        Putin is to blame for the fact that he missed all the possibilities in 2014-2015 to neutralize Ukraine bloodlessly or with little blood.

        It's easy to talk now. Maybe you're right. Or maybe not. It is quite possible that the Crimea is a compromise between the desired and the possible at that time.
        1. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
          Marzhecki (Sergei) 20 January 2022 14: 22
          -1
          It's easy to talk now. Maybe you're right. Or maybe not.

          About what and how it could be and how it will be real, I personally wrote in 2014 and 2015 at VO
          https://topwar.ru/56698-rasshirenie-novorossii-dlya-ee-vyzhivaniya.html
          https://topwar.ru/68444-net-samo-ne-rassosetsya.html
          https://topwar.ru/74309-posmotri-rekviem-po-novorossii.html
          Now it is funny and sad to read the then commentators.

          It is quite possible that the Crimea is a compromise between the desired and the possible at that time.

          Aha
          1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 20 January 2022 14: 33
            +1
            About what and how it could be and how it will be real, I personally wrote in 2014 and 2015

            In Putin's place, who would you trust the unknown journalist more, or your generals, special services and advisers? Or did you have the status of a well-known journalist at that time?
            1. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
              Marzhecki (Sergei) 21 January 2022 08: 12
              0
              In Putin's place, who would you trust the unknown journalist more, or your generals, special services and advisers? Or did you have the status of a well-known journalist at that time?

              Hr..vye means Putin has advisers. Lawyer-chekist-spy-intelligence, damn it.
      2. Fourth Horseman Offline Fourth Horseman
        Fourth Horseman (Fourth Horseman) 21 January 2022 07: 45
        -2
        - "Putin is to blame" ...
        The prosecutor Marzhetsky passed the verdict.))
        1. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
          Marzhecki (Sergei) 21 January 2022 08: 13
          0
          And who is to blame? Who makes decisions in Russia? Who is the Supreme Commander?
          1. Fourth Horseman Offline Fourth Horseman
            Fourth Horseman (Fourth Horseman) 21 January 2022 09: 00
            -1
            - the cat abandoned the kittens, it's Putin's fault...
            You've already been commented on.
            You have no general staff, no intelligence services.
            All we see is the tip of the iceberg.
            And in order to put forward any accusations to anyone, you need to see the whole picture. You don't have it.
            The principle of "Occam's razor" does not work here.
            1. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
              Marzhecki (Sergei) 21 January 2022 11: 06
              0
              - the cat abandoned the kittens, it's Putin's fault...
              You've already been commented on.

              If a person has created a vertical of power tied personally to himself, then he must be responsible for everything that happens.

              You have no general staff, no intelligence services.
              All we see is the tip of the iceberg.
              And in order to put forward any accusations to anyone, you need to see the whole picture. You don't have it.

              Yeah, without the General Staff, in 2014-early 2015, I painted everything that is happening now.
              And Putin, with his general staffs and analysts, after 8 years, suddenly became alarmed that, it turns out, American missiles could appear in Ukraine. And this is with his vision of the big picture and multi-way combinations! Bravo!!

              The principle of "Occam's razor" does not work here.

              What a razor if Putin himself was alarmed about the deployment of American missiles in Ukraine? Got it, finally. this is after 8 years of propaganda and obsi..niya of those who initially said that it would be so.
  6. Pandiurin Offline Pandiurin
    Pandiurin (Pandiurin) 20 January 2022 14: 17
    -1
    The admission of Ukraine and Georgia to NATO in today's realities is impossible, unbelievable.

    If hypothetically someone comes up with a round horse in a square vacuum, then we can come up with three square horses in a tetrahedron.

    Reasoning of the same order.
  7. gorenina91 Offline gorenina91
    gorenina91 (Irina) 20 January 2022 14: 20
    -4
    Three possible Russian responses to the admission of Ukraine and Georgia to the NATO bloc

    - Yes - no "reciprocal steps" - no three, no four, etc. ... - They want and will accept ...
    - Georgia - most likely - will not be accepted - who needs it at all ... - But Ukraine can easily be accepted ...
    - Actually - it’s not even clear - why it hasn’t been accepted yet ... - After all, Biden also needs to create something real ...
    - Yes, and the United States (NATO) itself will gain more than lose - by accepting Ukraine into NATO ...
    - In Ukraine, after the adoption, centralized power will be strengthened; many Ukrainians who left - can stretch back to Ukraine ...
    - The youth of Ukraine will receive a "new aspiration" and "new patriotism" - and they will voluntarily join the army (APU) ... - there will be no need to force them to be driven there ...
    - Yes, and the economy of Ukraine by itself (joke) will be forced to start developing ... - orders will go ... - enterprises will start working ...
    - Yes, Ukraine will gain a lot of things ...
    - And also - the most dangerous thing is that a very dangerous "example" will arise for Belarus ... - And no matter how Lukashenka with all his economy would turn to NATO with a similar request ... - After the events in Kazakhstan, this became quite possible...
    - So - if they "accept Ukraine", then for Russia some "steps" there will become useless ...
    1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 20 January 2022 14: 38
      -1
      - Yes - no "reciprocal steps" - no three, no four, etc. ... - They want and will accept ...

      They won't accept. Why do they need it? Extra costs and risks.

      - Yes, and the economy of Ukraine by itself (joke) will be forced to start developing ... - orders will go ... - enterprises will start working.

      I wonder who prevented this economy from developing before? From 1992 to 2014 - in ideal conditions.
      It's understandable as a joke, but not so much in the context of the commentary.
      If they mentioned Kazakhstan. Then who prevented them from developing from 1992 to 2022? 30 years however.
      1. gorenina91 Offline gorenina91
        gorenina91 (Irina) 20 January 2022 14: 58
        -2
        They won't accept. Why do they need it? Extra costs and risks.

        - Ha... - No...
        - These "costs and risks" are absolutely nothing compared to what NATO (USA) will acquire; if they accept Ukraine into NATO ... - Ukraine will literally follow all the instructions for a penny (pence) ...
        - What problems did fascist Germany have with Bandera and policemen ??? - Yes, none! - And how many "functions" they took over and "liberated" the German military units - for direct use ...
        - In fact - it was the policemen and Bandera who carried out all the order, repressions and all the protection in the occupied territory ... - Yes, the Germans simply could not get enough of them - such "help" was for them - one could only dream !!!
        - And today - Poland is already wringing its hands with might and main in jealousy - suddenly Ukraine will be accepted - and Ukraine will become NATO's "beloved wife" ...
        - Yes, and Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia - they just nervously smoke on the sidelines ...
        - If Ukraine is accepted into NATO, then it will go the furthest in its "loyalty" ... - Ukraine will simply beg on its knees for NATO to deploy nuclear weapons and all kinds of strike missile systems on its territory ...
        - And the US will never regret accepting Ukraine into NATO...
        - One Ukraine in NATO will cost all this worthless "NATO bouquet" - Bulgaria, Romania, Czech Republic, Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, etc., etc. ...
        - I repeat once again - I personally do not understand at all - why Ukraine has not yet been accepted into NATO ... - It can be seen the aged American brains - they make themselves felt ...
  8. Nikolay Moroz Offline Nikolay Moroz
    Nikolay Moroz (Nikolay Moroz) 20 January 2022 14: 54
    0
    ... what the hell smarphones .. what a comfortable life .. when there is a war on the nose .. all liberals should sit in the trenches and not puff up in TIK TOK ... everything for the front .. everything for victory .. as in 41-45 ..and he’s like a lousy about a bathhouse ..and whoever doesn’t want to fight should collect missiles in the rear in factories ..for twenty hours a day at the machine.and look to the west without doing anything at home ..so you can bulge your eyes .. Ukrainians are watching and sho ... how success .. they lived happily .. although the whole world is with us ... and the Russian Federation is under sanctions ..
  9. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 20 January 2022 15: 11
    0
    Quote: gorenina91
    - One Ukraine in NATO will cost all this worthless "NATO bouquet" - Bulgaria, Romania, Czech Republic, Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, etc., etc. ...

    I agree with you. Let them take Ukraine to NATO, and all the listed countries will be kicked out, worthless.
    And so on and so forth, I read both Germany and France. Let them rivet us cars and other useful nonsense, and we will protect them from Ukraine and North Korea.
  10. baltika3 Offline baltika3
    baltika3 (baltika3) 20 January 2022 15: 36
    -2
    for example, in China, licenses for the production of those same laptops, smartphones and refrigerators.

    Why is this? Fathers did well without smartphones and laptops, and grandfathers without refrigerators, and without smartphones with laptops, too.
    There is something else to think about here. In the inner circle of the President of the Russian Federation, due to sanctions, incomes will decrease, with them, of course, loyalty, and then they will want to return the 90s - this is where the remaining resources should be concentrated, and not on licenses, which, in the end, can be stolen .
    I am sure that the Kremlin is thinking in this direction.
  11. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 20 January 2022 15: 49
    0
    Quote: Mikhail L.
    there would be no desire of the inhabitants of the Crimea - no political decision in Moscow returned the peninsula;

    I do not argue with this. You just wrote only about the inhabitants of Crimea. And I pointed out that there was also a second decisive party - Moscow.
    1. Mikhail L. Offline Mikhail L.
      Mikhail L. 20 January 2022 17: 16
      -1
      I just added the second side of the "One-sided Truth"!
  12. Alsur Offline Alsur
    Alsur (Alexey) 20 January 2022 16: 24
    0
    Quote: Marzhetsky
    Quote: ALSur
    The author and many other Ukrainians, for some reason, blame Russia or Putin for 2014, this is not so, Ukraine itself is to blame for everything.

    Putin is to blame for the fact that he missed all the possibilities in 2014-2015 to neutralize Ukraine bloodlessly or with little blood. And I am not a Ukrainian, but a citizen of the Russian Federation from birth.

    You think it is necessary to start wars right and left, then you are not thinking correctly. We must act more carefully and military methods are the worst and their result is unpredictable, we are not alone in the world with Ukraine. If there had been uprisings in other areas of Ukraine, they would have been helped. Look for the guilty in yourselves, who betrayed their nature, their Russianness.
  13. Pavel Zheleznyak (Pavel Zheleznyak) 20 January 2022 20: 48
    -1
    Guys. Do you need a war? We understand that you are strong, but we also know what it is to defend the Motherland ...
    1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 21 January 2022 06: 26
      +2
      Nobody needs war, speaking abstractly.
      But if the actions of neighbors create big problems for the security of the country, then just hoping for the best is a stupid tactic. And if the neighbor is also a very stupid enemy, like Ukraine, then it is better to start a war on our terms, and not when it is convenient for the enemies.
      Yes, civilians will suffer. Peaceful but not innocent. 30 years of democracy in Ukraine - they chose their own government, supported it. So there are no innocent people in Ukraine. Unless children.
    2. Lis_Domino Offline Lis_Domino
      Lis_Domino (Sergei) 21 January 2022 15: 11
      0
      something unimportant you get, you are clearly not in command from Kiev. so what about independence?
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  15. Siegfried Offline Siegfried
    Siegfried (Gennady) 20 January 2022 21: 55
    0
    Strange as it may seem, it is precisely the delay in the launch of SP2 and high gas prices because of this that can become that lever of pressure on Ukraine that will force Kiev to agree to Minsk-2. While strained with the Ukrainian issue, Germany cannot launch SP2. Prices are kept high. Businesses are closing in Ukraine and there is a high probability of a serious industrial collapse. Ukraine, belittling everyone to close, postpone or forget SP2 dug a trap for itself. If Ukraine reaches the point where the evidence of the failure of the economy in isolation from Russia (its favor) becomes so obvious that there will be nowhere else to go, Kiev will have no room for maneuver and bullshit the citizens of the country. Of course, there is a possibility that the West will "help" Ukraine, possibly by reverse gas supplies from "contract" volumes. But then Gazprom will destroy somehow.
    1. Pandiurin Offline Pandiurin
      Pandiurin (Pandiurin) 20 January 2022 22: 07
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      Quote: Siegfried
      Strange as it may seem, it is precisely the delay in the launch of SP2 and high gas prices because of this that can become that lever of pressure on Ukraine that will force Kiev to agree to Minsk-2. While strained with the Ukrainian issue, Germany cannot launch SP2. Prices are kept high. Businesses are closing in Ukraine and there is a high probability of a serious industrial collapse. Ukraine, belittling everyone to close, postpone or forget SP2 dug a trap for itself. If Ukraine reaches the point where the evidence of the failure of the economy in isolation from Russia (its favor) becomes so obvious that there will be nowhere else to go, Kiev will have no room for maneuver and bullshit the citizens of the country. Of course, there is a possibility that the West will "help" Ukraine, possibly by reverse gas supplies from "contract" volumes. But then Gazprom will destroy somehow.

      Even Germany is working with great difficulty on issues related to Russia and Gazprom with varying degrees of success. If you look at the interests of Germany, then SP2 has been working for a long time.
      The Germans, although reluctantly, continue to put spokes in the wheels in a project in which German money is involved.

      And you mean that the situation in Ukraine will force the puppet government to come to its senses and act in the interests of the state)
      Just fantastic.
  16. zloybond Offline zloybond
    zloybond (steppenwolf) 20 January 2022 23: 00
    +1
    I think there is a lot of reason. BUT the "Victim" begs and asks not to supply her with enemy goods. Why shouldn't Russia, for a start, go towards the "Victim" and of good will, at the request of the opposite government, so to speak, to close all deliveries of goods, energy carriers, products, etc. ... They are already adopting laws prohibiting ships from entering, etc ... Well, as much as possible - look at the nomenclature of mutual trade !!
  17. Yuri Bryanskiy Offline Yuri Bryanskiy
    Yuri Bryanskiy (Yuri Bryansky) 21 January 2022 00: 29
    0
    5 points. But if troops are sent in to restore the rule of law, then it is necessary not to go to the front line, but to occupy the regional administrations. A significant part of the population will create a military militia.
  18. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 21 January 2022 06: 45
    +1
    Quote: ALSur
    You think it is necessary to start wars right and left, then you are not thinking correctly. We must act more carefully and military methods are the worst

    Who starts wars left and right? Are you talking about the USA?

    About caution. Ukraine has been an unfriendly country for us for twenty years. And for 10-15 years it has been frankly nationalistic. Military methods are bad, but what should be done? Or just look neutrally without interfering? For example, this is how we look at Australia. Because there are no millions of Russians far away and there.
    And they have to look at Ukraine, Kazakhstan, Belarus carefully and take some actions, if necessary.
  19. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 21 January 2022 08: 14
    0
    Quote: Marzhetsky
    Hr..vye means Putin has advisers.

    Here I agree with you. I hope he has better advisers now.
  20. Sasha Ivankov Offline Sasha Ivankov
    Sasha Ivankov (Sasha Ivanov) 21 January 2022 08: 55
    -1
    Not under Putin, all this will be done, Putin is too soft-hearted and stupid, and his entire elite has long been overtaken by families and loot to the West. So the Russian Federation is waiting only for impoverishment and blah, blah, blah ... from the power of the compradors. Ukraine about..li, even after 6 years without drawing conclusions and almost about...whether Belarus. There is no industrialization. Instead of developing production and improving the well-being of the people, Putin dreams of an alliance with the EU, as a result, there are no industries, the people are in poverty, there is no economic growth. Small towns are dying out, what kind of development of Siberia can we talk about if people from Siberia are massively pouring into Krasnodar.
  21. ocean969 Offline ocean969
    ocean969 (Leonid) 21 January 2022 09: 50
    0
    Yes, the article is somewhat naive, as if the author does not live in Russia, but in another country
  22. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 21 January 2022 11: 08
    -1
    Quote: okean969
    Yes, the article is somewhat naive, as if the author does not live in Russia, but in another country

    Yep, kindergarten. But you are all seasoned experts.
    1. Lis_Domino Offline Lis_Domino
      Lis_Domino (Sergei) 21 January 2022 15: 07
      +1
      :) and here it is unnecessary to be an expert to recognize nonsense, just common sense is enough here.
  23. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 21 January 2022 11: 08
    0
    Quote: Pandiurin
    The admission of Ukraine and Georgia to NATO in today's realities is impossible, unbelievable.

    If hypothetically someone comes up with a round horse in a square vacuum, then we can come up with three square horses in a tetrahedron.

    Reasoning of the same order.

    What is your evidence?
  24. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 21 January 2022 11: 13
    -1
    Quote: Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
    About what and how it could be and how it will be real, I personally wrote in 2014 and 2015

    In Putin's place, who would you trust the unknown journalist more, or your generals, special services and advisers? Or did you have the status of a well-known journalist at that time?

    You had to think with your head. And not to listen to journalists or their x..y advisers. The decision maker, on which the security of the whole country depends, must be responsible for them.
  25. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 21 January 2022 11: 39
    0
    Quote: Marzhetsky
    You had to think with your head. And not to listen to journalists or their x..y advisers.

    Sounds like you have delusions of grandeur. Having a miserable amount of information, you draw some conclusions.
    From the position of a philistine, you criticize the president for picking up unsuitable, in your naturally brilliant opinion, advisers.
    Like you would reveal the whole truth to Putin and explain what he needs to do.
    Teenage show-offs.
  26. Muscool Offline Muscool
    Muscool (Glory) 21 January 2022 12: 06
    -1
    Again, these missiles in Ukraine with a short flight time. But is it possible to fire at Pskov from Estonia with howitzers?
    Moreover, there are missiles in Ukraine, NATO, and without this there is where to roam.
    And who will take it into NATO when there is a civil war and there are territorial disputes. I’m silent about the miserable economy and the army a little stronger than churkobes in slippers with machine guns somewhere in Afghanistan
  27. Demonlivi Offline Demonlivi
    Demonlivi (Dima) 21 January 2022 13: 22
    -1
    Stalin solved any issue in 5 years! And these loot and gold are stored in banks with a potential enemy! Children with wives in England! Why whine right now!
  28. Lis_Domino Offline Lis_Domino
    Lis_Domino (Sergei) 21 January 2022 14: 36
    -1
    Damn, with all due respect to the author, but this is some kind of nonsense ...
    "buy licenses for laptops, flat-panel TVs ..." - but the author amused
    Who will pick you up? In the last years of the reign of our irreplaceable, a lot has been lost, and you are going to raise something .. oh yes! the pipes were stretched to Germany, cool cho ... now we will live (probably, but this is not accurate and it’s for sure that not everyone will feel better)
    will rise, but not with this government, with this only to Paradise
  29. Ksv Offline Ksv
    Ksv (Sergei) 21 January 2022 21: 43
    0
    Quote: Oleg Rambover
    I agree about the entry of non-countries into NATO, they are well aware that as soon as strike or nuclear weapons appear there, we will simply destroy them without any ultimatums.

    I disagree. So far, no strike, let alone nuclear, weapons have been placed in the new NATO members. And the internationally recognized ones, including the Russian Federation ("understran" what kind of chauvinism is this? And then they are still surprised that it's all breaking into NATO), Ukraine and Georgia without any shock, and even more so nuclear (with what fright it should appear there at all ?) weapons on their territory will not be accepted into NATO, because the Russian Federation will oppose this by all means, including the military.

    I wrote about this, the Russian Federation will not allow such threats near its border, including by military methods.
    Nedostrana- country is not sovereign, under external control.
  30. Ksv Offline Ksv
    Ksv (Sergei) 21 January 2022 21: 49
    0
    Quote: Oleg Rambover
    However, the USSR developed in confrontation with the West, under sanctions, fought with the West, and still developed. Unfortunately, starting with Khrushchev, traitors or fools ruled the USSR. The USSR is of course an exception, besides it is inanimate ...

    What is the exception? Where is the USSR? As it was developing in cooperation with the West, industrialization would not have been possible without the West, victory in the war was achieved in cooperation with the West. The USSR lost the Cold War with the West.

    Somewhere they cooperated with the West, somewhere they didn’t. The USSR was under the sanctions of the West, if anything, its entire history, if you are not in the know.
    The USSR fought with the West in cooperation with the West.
  31. kriten Offline kriten
    kriten (Vladimir) 27 January 2022 11: 03
    0
    There can be only one answer: the creation of Novorossiya with the deprivation of Ukraine of access to all seas (a corridor in Transnistria is needed), and at the same time to break through a corridor to Kaliningrad.