"Now a fight cannot be avoided": Satanovsky assessed the results of negotiations with NATO


Evgeny Satanovsky, a Russian political scientist and orientalist, expressed his opinion on the results of the talks between Russia and NATO. In his telegram channel Armageddonych, the expert noted with his inherent reasonable pessimism that the confrontation between the Russian Federation and the Western bloc is gaining momentum.


During negotiations with the leadership of the North Atlantic Alliance, Russia expressed its concerns about the expansion of Western military structures and the inclusion of former Soviet republics in them. Moscow has also warned about the consequences of the West crossing the "red lines", and NATO must give up all illusions on this score.

They were told everything openly, they were warned about everything, and they were also warned about the consequences of trying to continue playing the game of talking smart and cunning white people with stupid natives, in the role of which we were once again offered to labor. Further, who did not hide, we are not to blame

- writes an expert.

Nevertheless, the United States continues to look down on Russia, which is reflected in the desire of Congress to impose personal sanctions on the Russian president and the country's leadership. In this regard, Satanovsky notes the low intellectual level of the current US authorities.

American Democrats gathered on January 12 to roll out sanctions personally against the President of Russia, as well as the country's top leadership - civil and military. It will be funny to look at the result. An irreversible collective senile insanity has begun in the American leadership. A mixture of Alzheimer's, Parkinson's and nostalgia for the elusive status of the only superpower. Apparently - it is irreversible and cannot be treated

- Satanovsky thinks.

Meanwhile, Sweden and Finland expressed their desire to join the “friendly transatlantic family”. But, according to Yevgeny Satanovsky, this does not pose a great danger for Russia, since earlier the Russians fought both the Finns and the Swedes. At the same time, NATO head Jens Stoltenberg confirmed the desire and right of Ukraine and Georgia to join the alliance, which could seriously reduce the level of security in Europe and lead to a military conflict.

It looks like there will be a fight, and the hour of its beginning is getting closer and closer. And in it we need to defeat them. At any price

- the analyst concludes.
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  1. beeper Offline beeper
    beeper 13 January 2022 15: 07
    +8
    Yes, I agree with Yevgeny Satanovsky that the "common people" are completely crazy - "lost the edges" and go astray, and it is necessary to defeat them (for another "two or three generations" of time to completely repel their aggressive "Wishlist") at any cost!
    1. Oleg Rambover Online Oleg Rambover
      Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 13 January 2022 16: 10
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      The price will be tens of millions of lives of Russian citizens, plus the very existence of such a state entity as the Russian Federation in a single form. Ready to pay?
      1. beeper Offline beeper
        beeper 13 January 2022 16: 43
        +11
        And what "Katz (Oleg Rambover) offers to surrender" to the "mercy" of the next Nazis-Fashington ?!
        1. Oleg Rambover Online Oleg Rambover
          Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 13 January 2022 16: 56
          .
          No, I don't suggest. And most importantly, no one asks to surrender. So is the price acceptable to you?
          1. antibi0tikk Offline antibi0tikk
            antibi0tikk (Sergei) 13 January 2022 19: 05
            +5
            And now we need one victory,
            One for all - we will not stand for the price.


            Okudzhava, however!

            You must be strong, you must be able to say:
            "Hands off, away from me!"
            You have to be strong, otherwise why would you be?
            That a thousand words will be worth
            When the strength of the hand is important


            Choi.
            1. Oleg Rambover Online Oleg Rambover
              Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 13 January 2022 21: 03
              -8
              And two thousand years of war
              War for no particular reason.
              War is for the young.
              Anti-wrinkle medicine.
              Red-red blood
              An hour later, just the earth,
              Two flowers on it and grass
              After three she is alive again.
              And warmed by the rays of a star
              By the name of the sun


              Instead of heat - green glass
              Instead of fire - smoke
              A day is snatched from the calendar grid.
              The red sun burns to ashes
              A day burns out with him
              A shadow falls on a flaming city.

              Change! - our hearts demand.
              Change! - our eyes demand.
              In our laughter and in our tears,
              And in the pulsation of the veins:
              "Change!
              We are waiting for changes!"


              Tsoi is alive!
          2. beeper Offline beeper
            beeper 13 January 2022 19: 06
            +8
            I see, Oleg, you have already been answered this "crafty question" of yours! yes
            And such a coincidence that I also wanted to remind you of 1941, when the forerunners of the current Fashington, Hitler's "common Europeans" (in the same way, militantly inflating and calling Soviet Russia-USSR "a colossus with feet of clay"), perfidiously attacked our Russian Fatherland with the aim of total destruction our multinational Soviet population and the plundering of our country's resources.
            So, Oleg, in the light of the clear "world trends" in the preparation of the next "Drang nach Osten", your question is quite manipulatively "formulated"! yes
            After all when "To be or not to be" is at stake, they do not ask about the "price" - by all means and means they destroy the Nazi "universal" m_r_a_z_o_t_u!
            1. Oleg Rambover Online Oleg Rambover
              Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 13 January 2022 21: 21
              -8
              You don't know what fascism is. I will ask you, since dear Alsur seems to have merged. Are Millions of American Soldiers Standing Near Moscow? On the border of the Russian Federation? Have they landed in Europe at least? At least tanks are being transferred from Germany to the border of the Russian Federation? All sixty?
              Where did you get such defeatist sentiments? Why is your To be or not to be. Of course, Putin is a so-so president, but I don't see that he has put the country on the brink of defeat. What makes you think that someone was going to attack us? How is this preparation expressed? A war with the Russian Federation will end with an exchange of nuclear strikes, a nuclear war is the end of everything. Why would anyone get the idea to start a nuclear war?
              To show Kuzkin the mother of America is possible only at the cost of the existence of Russia, all its large cities, together with their inhabitants. It seems to me some kind of pathology to dream of such a price for the lives of my loved ones, my children.
              1. beeper Offline beeper
                beeper 13 January 2022 23: 43
                +8
                Why don't I know what Nazism is, Olezhek?!
                My dad was a prisoner of the Nazi concentration camp, and my mother and many relatives, and fellow countrymen under Nazi occupation, and survivors told a lot about the "New Order" that the Nazi "pan-Europeans" brought us in their previous "Drang nah Osten"!
                In my native village, human bones are still plowed up in the fields and I know where in the district they lie, singly and in bulk in bomb craters, in forest plantations, our fallen (and German too) soldiers of 1941-1944.
                Unlike Novy Urengoy, we still see old trenches and dugouts on the ground, which in my childhood were the places of our "war games".
                Almost every day, at least twice, I pass or drive past the monument to several thousand (executed by the occupiers and their lackeys) local residents and captured Red Army soldiers, underground workers and partisans ...
                And now every day I see Banderonazis in reality and on the display ...
                So, I quite "have an idea" about fascism-Nazism.
                Fascism-Nazism-Banderonazism-"w / Banderonazism" is really a pathology and what else!
                And the defeatist moods corresponding to the "mental constructions" are with you, Oleg!
                Hitler's "pan-Europeans", having suddenly attacked our Fatherland, spared neither women, nor children, nor the elderly - the Soviet Union suffered the biggest losses precisely in the civilian population and there is no reason to believe that Fashington, NATO, "common people", for the most part the descendants of those same Nazi occupiers will behave differently (yes, they showed this in Yugoslavia and the Donbas "in all its glory"!).
                The NATO bloc and Washington, the instigators of all modern wars, are now leading to the beginning of the Third World War in Europe, therefore, Oleg, you are asking your manipulative "questions" to the wrong address!
                А whoever comes to us with a sword will die by the sword!
                This also applies to the current Ameroi-Udo-Bandera occupiers of the former Ukrainian SSR!
                1. Oleg Rambover Online Oleg Rambover
                  Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 14 January 2022 13: 19
                  -3
                  So National Socialism or Fascism? You already decide. All of our ancestors in one way or another suffered from the Nazis. Some even from the Nazis. But this does not change the fact that you do not understand what fascism is.

                  Quote: pishchak
                  And now every day I see Banderonazis in reality and on the display ...

                  So don't look! They are not particularly visible in Ukraine, and it’s completely strange to watch them from the Russian Federation on purpose. Watch for Russian marches.
                  And how did the "common people" prove themselves in the Donbass and in Yugoslavia? Cooler than "non-common people" in Afghanistan, Chechnya and Syria?
                  Where did you see defeatism in me? This is your "To be or not to be". As if the enemy is already near Moscow. I, unlike you, do not think that the Russian Federation is suffering a defeat right now and it is necessary to fuck it up before it's too late.
                  In 41, troops numbering 3.5 million people concentrated on the border. And Stalin knew about this, why I didn’t react, I don’t know, I thought that it would probably resolve itself. What signs of preparation for a third world war do you see?
                  You still have not answered the question, is an acceptable price for you to show Kuz'kin's mother to America?
                  1. beeper Offline beeper
                    beeper 14 January 2022 13: 46
                    +2
                    Oleg, you manipulatively "distorted" the meaning of the topic under discussion by launching your "feature" with the "price" (and now, pretending to be "dumb", rush about with it, attracted by you, like with a written bag), why do you need this ?!
                    About the fact that you will additionally launch into the "discourse" the "topic of differences between fascism and Nazism", which was pretty beaten up by the Goebbelsuchs, it was clear to me at the very beginning of your "trials", so I gave a "list of varieties" so that you would find "familiar names" and then not "developed" this, such a stereotyped, "Nazi-fascist" holivar.
                    But, apparently, too "stereotypical" thinking (or "engagement" in working on the Web?!) prevents you from seeing and realizing even such obvious clues about the futility of further flooding?! smile
                    You probably do not know Russian well, because. obviously not everything (not all the words, for example, "vyava") read (written to you) understand correctly ?!
                    1. Oleg Rambover Online Oleg Rambover
                      Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 15 January 2022 01: 52
                      -1
                      Quote: pishchak
                      Oleg, you manipulatively "distorted" the meaning of the topic under discussion by launching your "feature" with the "price"

                      You said:

                      Quote: pishchak
                      and it is necessary to defeat them (even "for a couple of generations" of time to completely repel their aggressive "Wishlist") at any cost!

                      At this historical moment, the Russian Federation can only defeat America in one way, by delivering a massive nuclear strike. Well, how to win, it’s understandable that the Americans will start shooting back, so there will be no winners. At this historical moment, the price is this and I just asked if it suits you.

                      Quote: pishchak
                      "Engagement" in the work on the Web?!

                      This is not so beaten up, so new!!! To complete the picture, it is not enough to say that I am a Jew from Ukraine.
                      The fascist movement has a definition, a set of properties. You call fascists those who you do not like. Perhaps, just as a broken clock shows the correct time twice a day, so you sometimes hit the mark. Read the originals.
                      1. beeper Offline beeper
                        beeper 15 January 2022 02: 58
                        0
                        Olezhek, "twitching" and "going into misunderstandings" is your stereotyped "crown for all occasions" ?! smile
                  2. isofat Offline isofat
                    isofat (isofat) 14 January 2022 15: 14
                    +2
                    addressed to the liberal Oleg Rambover

                    Quote: Ronald Reagan
                    If fascism ever comes to America, it will come under the name of liberalism

                    Olezhka! Reagan's prophecy is coming true! laughing
                  3. Vladimir Daetoya (Vladimir Daetoya) 15 January 2022 04: 21
                    0
                    So National Socialism or Fascism?

                    - If someone still does not understand who they are, they are all Teutons. It doesn't matter if they are Nazis or globalists. All of them have always wanted to end Russia and continue to want to. And about 200 million Russians. Well, that's according to your calculations. And I think that the higher a person sits, the better he sees and counts. For example, where is your place?
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      2. Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 13 January 2022 19: 36
        +3
        Your mockingly calm tone probably corresponds to your citizenship
        1. Oleg Rambover Online Oleg Rambover
          Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 13 January 2022 21: 04
          -8
          Does Russian citizenship suit my tone?
          1. Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 13 January 2022 22: 49
            +4
            Suitable if you are weak in the head, or an agent of influence
            1. Oleg Rambover Online Oleg Rambover
              Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 13 January 2022 23: 07
              -9
              Quote: isofat
              the dumber a person, the faster he condescends to insults

              Conspiracy is also a sign of not a great mind.
              Apparently, it’s not for you to evaluate "weakness in the head"
              Do you also dream of fucking America, we won’t stand up for the price?
              1. Ksv Offline Ksv
                Ksv (Sergei) 14 January 2022 01: 35
                0
                Apparently, you are still a thinking person! But then what do you propose to our state in the conditions that exist today? Or do you think everything is fine?
    2. Pacquale Pestrini (Sergei) 14 January 2022 11: 06
      -2
      Do you really believe that it will be possible to win the war with the West without nuclear weapons? The Russian Federation is not the Republic of Ingushetia and not even the USSR.
  2. ivan2022 Offline ivan2022
    ivan2022 (ivan2022) 13 January 2022 15: 38
    +1
    As it is written in the Bible: "Pray to God that this does not happen in winter"

    The meaning is clear from the knowledge of the OBZh course and the prevailing northeastern wind direction in Moscow and the region in winter.
  3. S WITH Online S WITH
    S WITH (N S) 13 January 2022 16: 00
    +7
    there will be no mass brawl, they will simply destroy a bunch of US puppets, and then only those who do not have time to escape, the Armed Forces of Ukraine from hunger and poverty themselves are waiting for the Russians and are ready to bring down Bander Zion of the Nazis. of course, it will be necessary to destroy the remnants of air defense in any way, so that it does not work out like in the early days in Georgia
    1. beeper Offline beeper
      beeper 13 January 2022 17: 33
      -1
      You think absolutely correctly, aka YS, you understand correctly our, multinational Ukrainian workers, post-Maidan hungry and impoverished, hopeless "Ukrainian life"!
      The only "relief" is that in the neo-feudal-bourgeois amerokolony "Ukraine" there is still no such (which is constantly reported by Russian information resources) total "coronabsia" and the dictatorship of QR "ausweiss", as in the non-bourgeois Russian Federation.
      1. Ksv Offline Ksv
        Ksv (Sergei) 14 January 2022 01: 37
        +1
        I hope you are fine. But you understand that you are a chip in the big political game.
        1. beeper Offline beeper
          beeper 14 January 2022 03: 06
          +2
          And who does not understand this amerokolonialny "trick", aka Ksv ?!
          Whatever it is, twist it, twist it, anyway, we are death row ...
          How can we help, "if something happens", to our common Russian Fatherland (NOT to die for the alien amero-fascist Washington and its hawk mongrels)!
          By the March (2014) decision of the Federation Council, Russia and Vladimir Putin, I think, saved my life (at least for this period) ... but the ruined lives of my relatives hang on the vile invaders-w / banderva!
  4. Alsur Offline Alsur
    Alsur (Alexey) 13 January 2022 17: 27
    +10
    Quote: Oleg Rambover
    The price will be tens of millions of lives of Russian citizens, plus the very existence of such a state entity as the Russian Federation in a single form. Ready to pay?

    You should have asked the Soviet people and Stalin in 1941. The development of events today does not depend on us, but Russia has nowhere to retreat. If you continue to endure, then just about the very statehood of the Russian Federation it will already be possible to doubt.
    1. Oleg Rambover Online Oleg Rambover
      Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 13 January 2022 17: 44
      .
      You should go to Hiroshima. What, there is a 3,5 million military group at the borders? Mobilization in progress? Is the industry being converted to a war footing? What kind of panic? For the West, such a turmoil will end not much better than for the Russian Federation. The affairs of the Russian Federation are not so bad as to worry about its statehood. What a defeatist mood?
      1. Ksv Offline Ksv
        Ksv (Sergei) 14 January 2022 01: 39
        +6
        Perhaps, Oleg, the fact is that our government knows a little more than we, ordinary citizens, since they decided to start such a game now, then this is a really serious matter! Ask yourself a question ... Or do you think everything is fine?
        1. Oleg Rambover Online Oleg Rambover
          Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 14 January 2022 11: 15
          -7
          I believe that in the modern world it is impossible to hide an awl in a bag. The leaders of the countries will just find out a little earlier. They have analysts. But fundamentally they do not know anything that you cannot learn from open sources.
          In my opinion, not everything is good, Putin led the country into stagnation, quarreling with the whole world. But in my opinion the question "to be or not to be" is not worth it. Is the Russian Federation threatened with war? Obviously not. Economic collapse? Looks like it doesn't either. Political instability? Autocracies, of course, are prone to sudden collapses (see Kazakhstan), but the Russian Federation does not seem to be threatened by this either. Hellish sanctions? They are not there yet, but even if anything, Iran has been living under them for decades and there is nothing. Why panic?
          1. Ksv Offline Ksv
            Ksv (Sergei) 14 January 2022 17: 31
            0
            What world did Putin quarrel with? With America and NATO, the main gangsters on the globe? friendship with bandits We can not afford it, have you forgotten the 90s already?
            Of course, there will be no third world war now.
            1. Oleg Rambover Online Oleg Rambover
              Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 15 January 2022 12: 32
              -2
              The main gangsters is a value judgment that is not relevant to the case. It is relevant that the main trading partner of the Russian Federation is the EU, almost entirely composed of NATO countries. To quarrel with the main trading partner, in my opinion, is a strange strategy.
              What's with the 90s?
              In short, do you observe NATO preparing for an attack on the Russian Federation?
              1. Ksv Offline Ksv
                Ksv (Sergei) 15 January 2022 19: 07
                +1
                In your opinion, it remains to wait for them to stand at the walls of the Kremlin, then you will definitely be sure of their unfriendly intentions. There are both those in the EU who want to do business with us and that's right, but there are also those who want to get our resources for free as a result of the war, which is also right from their point of view.
                NATO moving closer to our borders, the appearance of strike weapons closer to our borders, an increase in the number of exercises, an increase in nuclear weapons in Europe, and so on - how to look at this?
                1. Oleg Rambover Online Oleg Rambover
                  Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 16 January 2022 11: 12
                  -2
                  Quote from ksv
                  In your opinion, it remains to wait for them to stand at the walls of the Kremlin, then you will definitely be sure of their unfriendly intentions.

                  Don't talk nonsense. At least the military budget would be raised to 2%, as Trump bequeathed. Are you watching anything aggressive? At least the army was slightly increased, otherwise the ground forces of Ukraine are 2,5 times larger than the German ones, and the population of Ukraine is 2 times less.

                  Quote from ksv
                  There are both those in the EU who want to do business with us and that's right, but there are also those who want to get our resources for free as a result of the war, which is also right from their point of view.

                  And who is the bad guy? And how did you unravel these insidious plans? Did you read their minds too?
                  https://rg.ru/2006/12/22/gosbezopasnostj-podsoznanie.html

                  Quote from ksv
                  NATO moving closer to our borders, the appearance of strike weapons closer to our borders, an increase in the number of exercises, an increase in nuclear weapons in Europe, and so on - how to look at this?

                  And how to look at it? I would think about my foreign policy, since all the neighbors are trying to dump into NATO. It is not NATO that is approaching us, it is the neighboring countries that are fleeing to NATO from us. What are strike weapons? Can you link to an increase in nuclear weapons in Europe?
                  1. Ksv Offline Ksv
                    Ksv (Sergei) 16 January 2022 20: 36
                    +1
                    As for the Internet links to help, at least the deployment of the Aegis sm3 missile base in Poland - so be it, then yourself ...

                    We drove Ukraine there? We fed it with cheap gas, but at the same time it still aspired to the EU. Have we fed Russophobia in Ukraine? You have hung too much on Russia, there is also America and the EU, which have their own vision of the situation and their own goals.
                    How did we threaten Macedonia, for example? What was the threat to the Baltics? And we forced Hitler to attack us???
                    Your demagoguery is so-so ... Mordor is coming, it’s ridiculous, by God ...
                    And by the way, please tell me, was Navalny really poisoned by Novichok? It’s just that if you agree with this version, then it’s really pointless to communicate further - somehow everything is turned upside down in your head with outward prudence. No offense.
                    1. Oleg Rambover Online Oleg Rambover
                      Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 16 January 2022 21: 31
                      -2
                      Quote from ksv
                      As for the Internet links to help, at least the deployment of the Aegis sm3 missile base in Poland - so be it, then yourself ...

                      On the same Internet, look at the difference between shock (offensive) and defensive weapons. The sm3 missile is anti-aircraft and cannot be shock.
                      And if you undertook to defend your point of view, please justify it yourself, otherwise look for yours, you don’t know that it smells like a plum. American nuclear forces in Europe have only been declining since the early 90s.

                      Quote from ksv
                      We drove Ukraine there? We fed it with cheap gas, but at the same time it still aspired to the EU.

                      Do you doubt it? Until the age of 14, it was tryndezh, like a multi-vector father. Economic interests were mainly in the Russian Federation. After the little green men in the Crimea, your surprise looks somehow funny.

                      Quote from ksv
                      Have we fed Russophobia in Ukraine?

                      And who, the State Department? In fact, Russian propaganda invented Russophobia in Ukraine, exaggerated it at least 10 times. I have been to Ukraine both before and after the Maidan, I have not come across anything like this (except for greedy customs officers), but for some reason it seems to me that they were internationalists.

                      Quote from ksv
                      How did we threaten Macedonia, for example?

                      No idea why you think that because of the Russian Federation they entered there?

                      Quote from ksv
                      What was the threat to the Baltics?

                      Maybe historical memory? I am sure that after the Crimea they are 100% sure that they did the right thing.

                      Quote from ksv
                      We forced Hitler to attack us???

                      Why are you talking nonsense again?
                      Do you think all these countries were driven into NATO at gunpoint? Green men without insignia guarded the parliaments of these countries during the voting?

                      Quote from ksv
                      Your demagoguery is so-so ... Mordor is coming, it’s ridiculous, by God ...

                      As in any family, both sides are usually to blame, maybe to varying degrees, but at the moment it is the Russian Federation that is escalating the situation.

                      So you didn’t answer, why did you get that

                      there are those who want to get our resources for free as a result of the war, which is also correct from their point of view.
                      1. Ksv Offline Ksv
                        Ksv (Sergei) 17 January 2022 20: 41
                        +1
                        It's human nature to want something as cheap as possible, and even better for free and for good. There is nothing to be surprised about here, you see... Or do you think that all Europeans and Americans are the best people on earth in terms of spirituality?
                        You never answered about Navalny, what do you think about his "poisoning"?
                      2. Oleg Rambover Online Oleg Rambover
                        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 18 January 2022 12: 43
                        -1
                        Quote from ksv
                        It's human nature to want something as cheap as possible, and even better for free and for good. There is nothing to be surprised here, you see ..

                        Yes Yes. All around in the governments there are some not smart people, only in the Russian Federation there are wise leaders.

                        Quote from ksv
                        Or do you think that all Europeans and Americans are the best people on earth in terms of spirituality?

                        No, I don't think they are ordinary people. Nothing worse than others. And no better.

                        Quote from ksv
                        You never answered about Navalny, what do you think about his "poisoning"?

                        So you didn’t answer where you got it from, that "there are those who want to get our resources for free as a result of the war, which is also correct from their point of view."
                      3. Ksv Offline Ksv
                        Ksv (Sergei) 18 January 2022 21: 59
                        +1
                        Let's not play the game - who comes first? Still, I was the first to ask you about Navalny, scroll through the posts above :-)
                        As for the answer-to-the-question where did I get it from - It is written in this post of yours right at the top, this was my answer (about the nature of man), Hitler also came to us not to pay for resources with money, He wanted to take them as a result of the war, or was Hitler not a European?
                      4. Oleg Rambover Online Oleg Rambover
                        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 18 January 2022 23: 15
                        -2
                        Quote from ksv
                        Let's not play the game - who comes first? Still, I was the first to ask you about Navalny, scroll through the posts above :-)

                        Quote: Oleg Rambover
                        January 16, 2022 11:12 And who is so bad? And how did you unravel these insidious plans? Did you read their minds too?

                        Quote from ksv
                        January 16, 2022 20:36 And by the way, please tell me, was Navalny really poisoned by Novichok?

                        I asked before.

                        Quote from ksv
                        As for the answer-to-the-question where did I get it from - It is written in this post of yours right at the top, this was my answer (about the nature of man), Hitler also came to us not to pay for resources with money, He wanted to take them as a result of the war, or was Hitler not a European?

                        Quote from ksv
                        It's human nature to want something as cheap as possible, and even better for free and for good.

                        Is this this? That is, man is a wolf to man? And the Russian is also a person who dreams of getting "cheaper, and even better free of charge and for good." Stalin, who is part of Poland, the Baltic states, Finland, Bessarabia and Northern Bukovina, is the same person? And a European? Then what is the claim if everyone dreams of the same thing?
                        Hitler's example clearly showed that buying is cheaper than trying to get it for free. What is not commensurately cheaper.
                      5. Ksv Offline Ksv
                        Ksv (Sergei) 19 January 2022 21: 12
                        +1
                        So I answered the question, and before you Well, you see, we got to the point. I really agree with you, all people are basically the same. Hitler could succeed, it didn’t work ... man to man and wolf and brother, etc. depends on the situation.
                        So what's up with Navalny then?
                        I won’t ask about Crimea :-)
                      6. Oleg Rambover Online Oleg Rambover
                        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 20 January 2022 11: 11
                        -2
                        Quote from ksv
                        I really agree with you, all people are basically the same.

                        So what then is the claim to the West? In fact, I do not agree with you that everyone wants to take everything from each other, if you were right, the world would long ago have been divided into some kind of Eastasia, Eurasia and Oceania. But this is not so, Nigeria has oil reserves not much less than the Russian Federation, but at the same time it does not have nuclear weapons and a weak army. Venezuela has 20% of the world's oil reserves and it also has a weak army and no fucking loaf. According to your logic, someone should have picked them up a long time ago, but this is not so.

                        Quote from ksv
                        Hitler could have succeeded, failed ...

                        Hitler could not succeed, but even if we assume that he did, it would have cost Germany so monstrously expensive that it would have been cheaper to buy a hundred years before.
                        Therefore, for the last 80 years there have been no major warriors.
                        I don't believe that Putin gave the order to poison Navalny.
                        So, do you seriously believe that NATO is going to attack?
                      7. Ksv Offline Ksv
                        Ksv (Sergei) 20 January 2022 23: 40
                        +1
                        no need to paraphrase my words, most people are still adequate and just want a normal normal life. But politicians for the most part, any politicians, are different from ordinary people and do either what they should do (instead of ordinary citizens, the Germans, for example, did not protest against Hitler's decision to attack the USSR, although their attitude towards us was more or less normal after all , like ours to them) or what they are told to do - as a result, the World has long been divided into countries and blocs of countries.
                        Why capture, now it is much easier to do it economically, which is what the United States and Europe and China are doing, earlier for the sake of the colony it was necessary to sail across the seas with troops, now they do it with the help of buy and sell. Progress,...
                        Perhaps that is why there have been no world wars for a long time, I hope there will not be.
                        Thank God that you do not believe in this heresy about Navalny, otherwise I already began to think that you have a "liberalization" of the brain.
                        You understand that NATO and America are not run by ordinary citizens, but by people who are called the "elite", what is in their heads, neither you nor I know. We can only judge by their deeds. I don’t think that they are sure of their victory now, but brick by brick, and then you look and things will work out for them. time )
                        I am not a supporter of Putin, most of my life I was even his opponent, I have never hidden my positions. But he is a strong ruler, in this sense We are lucky.
                        In NATO’s place, I would also move towards our borders, this is a completely logical step, the USSR collapsed, Russia is weak, there is no holy place. There is no need to look for a conspiracy where there is none, but it’s very difficult to win back, so we ended up with what we have At the moment, a conflict that is not clear What will result, a political conflict, thank God.
                        NATO is our enemy, and it is getting closer and closer to our borders, this is a fact that cannot be argued with.
                        Spread by thought along the tree ...
                      8. Oleg Rambover Online Oleg Rambover
                        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 21 January 2022 16: 31
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                        Quote from ksv
                        But politicians for the most part, any politicians, are different from ordinary people and do either what they should do (instead of ordinary citizens, the Germans, for example, did not protest against Hitler's decision to attack the USSR, although their attitude towards us was more or less normal after all , like ours to them) or what they are told to do - as a result, the World has long been divided into countries and blocs of countries.

                        I do not agree, any politician reflects the aspirations of his citizens. Hitler reflected the mood of the Germans, that they were defeated by deception and betrayal, that the Versailles peace was not fair, that the Germans deserved more, plus socialism promised. Hitler invited the world (with the support of most Germans) to revise the results of the First World War, they were re-showed. Any popular politician reflects the aspirations of his citizens.

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                        Why capture, now it is much easier to do it economically, which is what the United States and Europe and China are doing, earlier for the sake of the colony it was necessary to sail across the seas with troops, now they do it with the help of buy and sell.

                        If seas of blood do not flow, it is definitely progress. The more you simplify.

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                        You understand that NATO and America are not run by ordinary citizens, but by people who are called the "elite", what is in their heads, neither you nor I know.

                        As well as any country, including the Russian Federation. The only point in the West is that institutions are developed, a decision cannot be made by one person alone, even if you are at least three times president. In autocracies, the decision is made by one person, all authorities are sharpened for him, what such a person gets into his head, only God knows.

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                        I am not a supporter of Putin, most of my life I was even his opponent, I have never hidden my positions. But he is a strong ruler, in this sense We are lucky.

                        For me, he is a usurper who led the country into stagnation. We felt the way out of stagnation in our own skin in the 90s. Putin's time, lost time for the country.

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                        In place of NATO, I would also move towards our borders, this is a completely logical step, the USSR collapsed, Russia is weak, a holy place does not happen empty.

                        Not certainly in that way. NATO is not moving towards our borders, but our neighbors are fleeing to NATO, first of all from us. After Crimea, one cannot say that their fears are groundless.

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                        NATO is our enemy, and it is getting closer and closer to our borders, this is a fact that cannot be argued with.

                        Nothing is eternal under the Moon. Once the current president dreamed of joining NATO. After some time, Russia will again make peace with the West, then, perhaps, quarrel again. It has already happened more than once. There is no indication that this will change in the future.
                        The life of Russia is now poisoned by its imperial past. The empire was amputated at 91, but it still itches, itches, sometimes it hurts. Probably, when those who found the empire at a conscious age, especially from the elites, leave, then something will change. Now the Russian Federation behaves like an empire, not being one.

                        PS I correctly understood that your conviction resulted in this statement:

                        Quote from ksv
                        There are both those in the EU who want to do business with us and that's right, but there are also those who want to get our resources for free as a result of the war, which is also right from their point of view.

                        based on your "knowledge" of human nature, and not on any specific actions or statements of representatives of these countries? I mean, do you just believe in it?
                      9. Ksv Offline Ksv
                        Ksv (Sergei) 21 January 2022 20: 44
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                        https://m.lenta.ru/news/2022/01/21/norussianthreat/
                        In your opinion, it turns out that they are right, I mean the US State Department.
                        On the one hand, you are a prudent person, on the other hand, Russia is to blame for everything, this does not happen ...
                      10. Oleg Rambover Online Oleg Rambover
                        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 23 January 2022 13: 33
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                        About the oppression of Russian speakers? It's hard for me to believe in oppression in a country where the president is Jewish, whose native language is Russian, and he speaks Ukrainian with a dictionary. In any case, I visited Kiev in 2018, I didn’t notice any problems, I don’t know Ukrainian. In addition, while having lunch in a shopping center, I watched local children aged 5-7 celebrate their birthdays. They spoke Russian among themselves. If there are any problems in this area, they are exaggerated in the Russian media many times over. In Central Asia, everything is much tougher.

                        Expresses its deep concern about the ongoing serious violations of human rights in Turkmenistan, in particular:
                        e) continued discrimination by the government of Turkmenistan
                        ethnic Russians, Uzbeks and other minorities in education and employment and their forced relocation, despite government assurances that this discrimination will end;

                        https://documents-dds-ny.un.org/doc/UNDOC/LTD/N04/587/68/PDF/N0458768.pdf?OpenElement
                        By the way, the Russian Federation abstained from this resolution.
                        And about discrimination against Ukrainians in the Russian Federation
                        https://www.rbc.ru/economics/20/03/2021/605461469a7947cb8f609e64
    2. Ksv Offline Ksv
      Ksv (Sergei) 17 January 2022 20: 51
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      Regarding the Ijiz cm3 missile, do you seriously believe that they are against Iran?
      If you didn’t know: the main thing there is launchers, into which tomahawks of the latest modifications fit perfectly, and not just supposedly missile defense missiles, which, by the way, can perfectly fly to any ground target, and not just air or space.
    3. Oleg Rambover Online Oleg Rambover
      Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 18 January 2022 13: 28
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      I am seriously sure that the Russian army is still strong enough to not even notice these anti-aircraft missiles in case of something (in the sense that they will not change anything for anyone and most likely these missiles will disappear first if something happens), they certainly will not protect America .
      But yes, these missile defense systems are the contribution of the "West" to this family litter.
      Tomogavk can fly from the Mediterranean to St. Petersburg, or from the North to Moscow. Since its speed is less than that of an ordinary passenger airliner, it will fly for hours, and how many of those installations are there? 24 like? I don’t see what fundamentally changes these hypothetical tomohawks.
      The SM3 rocket has a kinetic warhead, it is a blank without a gram of explosives. It probably can destroy something on the ground, but it's somehow completely strange to use it for this.

      Will there be percussion systems? And about the increase in nuclear charges in Europe, you can reference.
    4. Ksv Offline Ksv
      Ksv (Sergei) 18 January 2022 22: 01
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      Regarding the cm3 rocket, the network is full of calculations about its kinetic warhead. its energy is enough to destroy the ICBM mine ... It is quite an impact weapon, and there is enough accuracy, and the speed is very decent, there are calculations on this very site, in my opinion.
      The Americans are really sure that we will not attack them, the Europeans are also by and large. but the Americans built this pro system, which radically changes the balance of power, even if this system is bad, it changes the balance of power in their favor, so even if you use it as a pro system, this is quite a shock assignment.
      Do you yourself believe that we are aggressive and we will attack NATO?
    5. Oleg Rambover Online Oleg Rambover
      Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 18 January 2022 22: 45
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      Quote from ksv
      Regarding the cm3 rocket, the network is full of calculations about its kinetic warhead. its energy is enough to destroy the ICBM mine ... It is quite an impact weapon, and there is enough accuracy, and the speed is very decent, there are calculations on this very site, in my opinion.

      The official range of the missile is 400 km. Yes, it covers the Kaliningrad region completely. To mainland Russia from the base 740 km. For some reason, I am sure that there are no ICBM mines in Kaliningrad, and not even in the nearest Pskov region. And in the next Tverskaya. In short, enough to pull the owl on the globe, CM3 is not strike weapons.
      The START III treaty describes what offensive weapons are, anti-aircraft missiles are not included there.

      Quote from ksv
      but the Americans built this pro system, which radically changes the balance of power, even if this system is bad, it changes the balance of power in their favor,

      What fundamentally changes the alignment? Will they be able to intercept a dozen medium-range missiles flying to Poland? Firstly, not a fact, secondly, what does it change?

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      Do you yourself believe that we are aggressive and we will attack NATO?

      No, we won't attack NATO. Like NATO will not attack us. Or do you believe that NATO will attack?
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  • AND Offline AND
    AND 14 January 2022 11: 53
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    Quote: Oleg Rambover
    I believe that in the modern world it is impossible to hide an awl in a bag. The leaders of the countries will just find out a little earlier. They have analysts. But fundamentally they do not know anything that you cannot learn from open sources.
    In my opinion, not everything is good, Putin led the country into stagnation, quarreling with the whole world. But in my opinion the question "to be or not to be" is not worth it. Is the Russian Federation threatened with war? Obviously not. Economic collapse? Looks like it doesn't either. Political instability? Autocracies, of course, are prone to sudden collapses (see Kazakhstan), but the Russian Federation does not seem to be threatened by this either. Hellish sanctions? They are not there yet, but even if anything, Iran has been living under them for decades and there is nothing. Why panic?

    Dear, you missed the question you were asked earlier on the topic. Please describe your vision. What do we have to do?

    Quote from ksv
    Apparently, you are still a thinking person! But then what do you propose to our state in the conditions that exist today? Or do you think everything is fine?
  • baltika3 Offline baltika3
    baltika3 (baltika3) 14 January 2022 14: 14
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    It looks like there will be a fight, and the hour of its beginning is getting closer and closer.

    Everything is ghostly in this raging world. You can be sure of one thing: Satanovsky personally will not participate in fights.

    And in it we need to win them. At any price

    It is unlikely that he will even eat less.
  • baltika3 Offline baltika3
    baltika3 (baltika3) 14 January 2022 14: 23
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    On the "axe" a certain grandfather in the comments is already ready to set fire to his granddaughters on nuclear fire, because (quote) "I don't want them to live under [the Americans]." Fortunately, more senior grandfathers have something to lose, even Putin has some children, even in different countries.
    So no one will go to heaven, it’s just that Russia will lose another 30 years under sanctions, and will never be able to catch up, and no one will help.
  • AND Offline AND
    AND 14 January 2022 15: 21
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    Quote: baltika3
    On the "axe" a certain grandfather in the comments is already ready to set fire to his granddaughters on nuclear fire, because (quote) "I don't want them to live under [the Americans]." Fortunately, more senior grandfathers have something to lose, even Putin has some children, even in different countries.
    So no one will go to heaven, it’s just that Russia will lose another 30 years under sanctions, and will never be able to catch up, and no one will help.

    Only one thing pleases, Putin is not a coward, as he plays hockey. During this year, everyone will understand this, including disguised pseudo-patriots. :)
  • Pavel57 Offline Pavel57
    Pavel57 (Paul) 14 January 2022 17: 06
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    Quote: Oleg Rambover
    No, I don't suggest. And most importantly, no one asks to surrender. So is the price acceptable to you?

    Is there an alternative? Suggest.
  • AND Offline AND
    AND 14 January 2022 17: 32
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    Quote: Pavel57
    Quote: Oleg Rambover
    No, I don't suggest. And most importantly, no one asks to surrender. So is the price acceptable to you?

    Is there an alternative? Suggest.

    I support your question. With your permission, I will answer Oleg's question about an acceptable price, although he does not like to answer.
    The price is always acceptable if it's worth it.
  • Ksv Offline Ksv
    Ksv (Sergei) 21 January 2022 20: 37
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    Quote: Oleg Rambover
    the conviction that resulted in this statement:

    Quote from ksv
    There are both those in the EU who want to do business with us and that's right, but there are also those who want to get our resources for free as a result of the war, which is also right from their point of view.

    based on your "knowledge" of human nature, and not on any specific actions or statements of representatives of these countries? I mean, do you just believe in it?

    Faith in such matters is useless, you just need facts and common sense. There are quite a lot of concrete actions by NATO, their statements are also more than enough. it is strange that you have not heard them, hatred of Putin prevents you from looking sensibly At the situation without emotion. Look at the statements of some Madeleine Albright, Zbigniew Brzezinski, Margaret Thatcher, there are more than enough of them ...
    If you think that your knowledge of human nature is better than mine, you are simply mistaken ...
    Of course, no one wants to fight. You can get hit in the head, and very hard. Preparing for war is always useful, just in case, to apply political pressure, to apply military pressure, and so on.
    It's just such a game, people like to play games, some decent citizen would never start a war if he was given the opportunity, he thinks so ... but if he is given power for a while, he can easily smell the blood and will easily forget about who he was before ... Few people will stand the test of power and will not change
  • Ksv Offline Ksv
    Ksv (Sergei) 23 January 2022 16: 19
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    Quote: Oleg Rambover
    About the oppression of Russian speakers? It's hard for me to believe in oppression in a country where the president is Jewish, whose native language is Russian, and he speaks Ukrainian with a dictionary. In any case, I visited Kiev in 2018, I didn’t notice any problems, I don’t know Ukrainian. In addition, while having lunch in a shopping center, I watched local children aged 5-7 celebrate their birthdays. They spoke Russian among themselves. If there are any problems in this area, they are exaggerated in the Russian media many times over. In Central Asia, everything is much tougher.

    In Central Asia, of course, everything is tougher.
    Do you think those who shoot at Donbass speak Russian among themselves?
    A lot of time has passed since the age of 18, Zelensky learned to speak Ukrainian without a dictionary, for example. Regarding the problems, look at the news carefully, are they really lying? For example, the publication of newspapers in Russian is prohibited, that is, it is not formally prohibited, but when releasing a newspaper in Russian, you must issue the same volume in Ukrainian! And there are a lot of such similar measures, it is clear that they are prohibitive. your personal assessment is of course good, but this is a subjective assessment of 2018