Military victory in Kazakhstan turned into a political defeat for Russia


Today, January 13, 2022, the phased withdrawal of the CSTO troops from the territory of Kazakhstan should begin. The peacekeeping operation has been successfully completed, and constitutional order has been restored in this Central Asian country. Time to go home? Unfortunately, it can already be stated that Russia's unconditional military victory turned into its gravest political defeat. What gives us reason to believe so?


On January 7, in the midst of the dramatic events in Kazakhstan, Reporter published publication with the telling title "Why the mistake would be not the entry, but the withdrawal of Russian troops from Kazakhstan." In it, we discussed what would happen after the withdrawal of the CSTO troops from the republic, and came to the disappointing conclusion that this would be a strategic mistake.

We proceeded from the assumption that after the redistribution of power was completed and the withdrawal of our troops, which had done their job, the Russian soldiers would be labeled as "invaders and invaders." On this wave, rabid Russophobes will come to power, who will take revenge, taking revenge on the millions of ethnic Russians living in northern Kazakhstan, where large territories have historically been Russian. We also proceeded from the fact that it is necessary to achieve the expulsion of American and Turkish NGOs from the territory of Kazakhstan. However, immediately after the strengthening of the regime of President Tokayev, with the active support of Moscow, he first of all asked not foreign NGOs to leave, but Russian troops.

Many fellow journalists and political scientists urge Russians not to be upset with the rapid withdrawal of peacekeepers from Kazakhstan, considering what happened as a victory, the fruits of which we are about to reap. Alas, one cannot agree with such optimistic conclusions. And that's why.

How did the local authorities react to the mass protests that turned into riots and real street fighting? Prices were temporarily frozen, and President Tokayev dismissed the government, which was appointed "at the last." And now a new one was created, in which the power bloc retained all its posts, with the exception of the "traitor" head of the KNB Masimov. For a decent look, the cabinet of ministers is even diluted with two ethnic Russians. But the most indicative was the appointment of Askar Umarov as Minister of Information and Social Development. It was difficult for President Tokayev to find a greater Russophobe and patented Pan-Turkist in Kazakhstan.

Russia has long been well-known about him and his views. Before being appointed head of the Ministry of Information and Social Development (!), This person was actively published on social networks under the speaking nickname TurkMedia and the pseudonym Askar Kumyran. When he was the head of the Kazinform agency, a map was published there, in which, in addition to the previous "gifts", new Russian lands with Omsk and Orenburg were annexed to Kazakhstan. This man calls Russians "Rusnya" and "imposed diaspora". Here are the quotes:

Do not forget that you are an imposed diaspora here, not autochthons, and say thank you that your rights are respected and you, as colonizers in other countries, are not being driven away ...

With Russian problems of language and culture - to Russia, please. Do not forget that you are an imposed diaspora here.

Well, thanks, of course. The new Minister of Information and Social Development of Kazakhstan does not favor the ethnic Kazakhs who adopted the Russian language and culture, mainly living in the north of the country, calling them "mankurt" and "black Russians":

Black-Russian Kazakhs should think: stay with Rashka or with the civilized world.

Like any Russophobe, Mr. Umarov dislikes the feat of the Soviet people in the victory over Nazi Germany:

When everyone gets drunk with vodka and celebrates the incomprehensible day of victory, you will remember with a prayer our unfortunate grandfathers who did not return from someone else's war. Whom did you win, who did you win?

What awaits North Kazakhstan after the appointment of such a character as the head of the Ministry of Information and "Social Development" can be understood from another of his statements:

In Kazakhstan, the ideology of universal friendship of peoples is the ideology of only a transitional period. Today, only nationalism demonstrates effectiveness, and regardless of the ethnic component.

By the way, in Russia this Kazakhstani statesman has already been recognized as persona non grata. Rossotrudnichestvo refuses to conduct a dialogue with him, and Roscosmos is not waiting for a newly minted minister at Baikonur. And what conclusions can we draw?

Yes, in general, we talked about this last week. The introduction of troops was the right decision, but their withdrawal is a big mistake. Before the Russian soldiers had yet to leave the land of Kazakhstan, President Tokayev spat in the face of those who came to his aid in difficult times. If before the life of ethnic Russians and Russified Kazakhs in Northern Kazakhstan was not sugar, which led them to forced emigration, now the new minister of "social development" will not give them any normal life at all. The Russian soldiers, having fulfilled their allied duty, leave, the pro-Turkish henchmen came to power. It can already be concluded that Kazakhstan, instead of getting closer to Russia, has taken the same path that Ukraine took to the 2014 Maidan. The victory, ensured by the swift introduction of the CSTO troops, turns into a political defeat.

If this new Russophobic course is maintained, Northern Kazakhstan is likely to face a "Donbass scenario", and Kazakhstan itself will become a colossal geopolitical problem in the southern underbelly of Russia, which we will discuss in detail reasoned previously. Can this be avoided?

In fact, this train is already rapidly gaining momentum and it can only be stopped by pressing the stop valve. President Tokayev needs to be given a tough suggestion, Russian soldiers must remain under any pretext, and Kazakhstan itself needs a federal reform, where the regions of compact residence of ethnic Russians and Russified Kazakhs will receive the status of national-cultural autonomy.

This is the last real opportunity to avoid the Ukrainian scenario in Central Asia, and it is almost missed. We do not know how to consolidate political and military victories.
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  1. Bulanov Offline Bulanov
    Bulanov (Vladimir) 13 January 2022 11: 43
    +10
    This is just the beginning of the Great Game in Kazakhstan. Spring will come and bearded men from Afghanistan will be drawn here in a large crowd. And then, if Tokayev, or whoever will be there instead of him, again turns to Russia, then before entering there again, it is necessary to discuss the conditions and write them down on paper in public. Screaming - Wolves, wolves! - in Kazakhstan will be more than once. Too greasy for many hungry and greedy mouths.
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 13 January 2022 11: 49
      -7
      This is just the beginning of the Great Game in Kazakhstan.

      We have already won this game. Why merge the results of a victory?

      Spring will come and the bearded men from Afgan will be drawn here in a large crowd. And then, if Tokayev or whoever is there instead of him, again turns to Russia, then before entering there again, you need to negotiate the conditions and write them down on paper in public.

      Next time he will turn to Turkey for help. The Turks will come and never leave.
      That's it.
      1. Bulanov Offline Bulanov
        Bulanov (Vladimir) 13 January 2022 11: 52
        +5
        Then let the Kazakhs go to work not in Russia, but in Turkey.
        I think that the Turks are unlikely to stop the penetration of bearded men from Afghanistan into Kazakhstan. And they will start to bully the local population and restore their order with cutting off their heads. Will the voters of the President of Kazakhstan like it?
        1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
          Marzhecki (Sergei) 13 January 2022 12: 10
          -9
          I think that the Turks are unlikely to stop the penetration of bearded men from Afghanistan into Kazakhstan.

          This is a great reason to leave the Turkish military contingent in Kazakhstan for an indefinitely long time through the Turkic Union.
          It is also a reinforced concrete reason for the creation of a united Army of the Great Turan.

          And they will start to bully the local population and restore their order with cutting off their heads. Will the voters of the President of Kazakhstan like it?

          What difference does it make to us Russians whether the voters like it or not? Russia objectively has its own interests there. And now they spat in our faces and sent us away.
          1. Vladimir Daetoya (Vladimir Daetoya) 13 January 2022 18: 58
            +1
            It is important for Russia that there are no American super-duper missiles along its borders. And how can Turan harm? Moreover, the Kazakhs consider themselves to be the descendants of the great Mongols and not the Turks.
            1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
              Marzhecki (Sergei) 13 January 2022 19: 46
              -1
              Turan is Turkey. Turkey is a member of NATO. Turkey has the second largest army in NATO. Erdogan wants to develop his own nuclear weapons together with Pakistan.
              1. Tatyana Offline Tatyana
                Tatyana 13 January 2022 22: 58
                -3
                The author of the article Marzhetsky says everything is correct!
                It can be assumed, for example, that somewhere it is possible to withdraw from Kazakhstan about 10% of the OBKB troops.
                But even so, the opinion of the military of Kazakhstan themselves was divided approximately 50/50.
                Many Kazakhstani military believe that the withdrawal of the CSTO troops in general is premature and that the Russian peacekeeping troops should remain firmly in the country for the time being.

                As for the appointment of the odious pro-Turkish radical-Russophobe Askar Umarov as the Minister of Information and Social Development of the Republic of Kazakhstan by Tokayev, this, of course, without a doubt, is nothing more than a blatant treacherous stab in the back of Russia and the Russians on the part of Tokayev himself.
                1. alexneg13 Offline alexneg13
                  alexneg13 (Alexander) 14 January 2022 14: 21
                  0
                  Let's see how Tolkaev (bek) speaks after a tough answer from Shakali. And the answer is almost ready. Lavrov publicly declared that we have nothing to talk about with the West. ...Beck seems to have bet on the wrong horse and will soon regret it.
      2. 123 Offline 123
        123 (123) 13 January 2022 12: 40
        +7
        Мы like have already won this game. Why merge the results of a victory?

        The key here is, as it were. You got excited. You came up with a victory, and now you are upset that it is being lost. Tokayev, in fact, cannot change anything there. Otherwise, financial collapse. They will swallow that very "dust", because Elbasy did not tell the Kazakhs about it, but simply went to bow, agreed that the assets would be thawed. So everything is still ahead.

        Foreign investments in Kazakhstan, both the USA and Russia, and other countries, reliably protected, said the Ambassador of Kazakhstan to Moscow Ermek Kosherbayev.
        "Our andActing Foreign Minister Mukhtar Tleuberdi spoke with Mr. (US Secretary of State Anthony) Blinken, explained the situation. The main point that interested our American partners is American investments, the United States is the largest investor, especially in the West, in the oil and gas industry... The President of our country, speaking about the measures that our country is taking, clearly assured that all foreign investment - this not only applies to American countries, but also to Russian and other countries - under reliable protection"

        https://www.militarynews.ru/story.asp?rid=1&nid=563766&lang=RU

        Next time he will turn to Turkey for help. The Turks will come and never leave.
        That's it.

        If the troops don't leave, next time no one will call them anywhere. That's all.
        1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
          Marzhecki (Sergei) 13 January 2022 13: 08
          .
          If the troops don't leave, next time no one will call them anywhere. That's all.

          And ours will not be called. The Turkish will call.
          1. 123 Offline 123
            123 (123) 13 January 2022 13: 11
            +4
            And ours will not be called. The Turkish will call.

            Why? Is it just how it seems?
            And it's not about Kazakhstan. Nobody dares to call.
        2. Ozbek Offline Ozbek
          Ozbek (Gapal Ergashev) 13 January 2022 14: 30
          .
          Do you want to confirm the words of an American official about how difficult it is for Russians to leave where they came from?

          US Foreign Secretary Anthony Blinken noted that once the Russians are in your house, it can sometimes be very difficult to get them to leave.

          NO ONE FORCED YOU! and the CSTO is your brainchild
          and you are the only OWNER there! all other countries are just an etiquette obligatory retinue, which does not decide anything, but simply creates a background, a kind of fans of the "idol"
          1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
            Marzhecki (Sergei) 13 January 2022 14: 36
            +9
            Do you want to confirm the words of an American official about how difficult it is for Russians to leave where they came from?

            Let them show you how to leave Germany.
            1. SOF Offline SOF
              SOF (Alexander) 14 January 2022 08: 39
              0
              Quote: Marzhetsky
              Let them show you how to leave Germany

              ..... and also: ..... from Japan, South Korea, Panama, Syria, Iraq .......... not enough days to describe all the territories ...... where they are not from kick me out.....
      3. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
        Pishenkov (Alexey) 13 January 2022 22: 35
        +2
        You are Sergey, with all due respect, in my opinion, it's too early to "put out the lights and drain the oil." In this situation - and note that the CSTO troops in general and the Russian Federation in particular did not participate in any hostilities - there was no military victory. They just lent their shoulders, as in the Republic of Belarus quite recently, although everything is close there and it was enough to concentrate troops near the border. In accordance with this "soft" scenario for the introduction of troops, the same soft continuation was necessary. And in this situation, looking both at the domestic political position of the Kazakh leadership and at geopolitics on an international scale, the withdrawal of the contingent is the most reasonable solution. By this, by the way, we supported the position of Tokayev himself inside the country and in the international arena, and he knows it. What and how who and with whom will then agree there (Tokaev-Putin), we will not know for sure yet. But they will definitely agree on something or already, and this will definitely not be a minus for the Russian Federation. The firm position of the "independent" Kazakhstani authorities is now much more important to us, and not the government there, which rests on our bayonets. This is a bad scenario.
        And after all that has been shown, no Turks will definitely turn up there, don’t go to a fortuneteller ...
        So I definitely disagree with your conclusions in the article ...
        Do not underestimate the flair of GDP.
        1. Ksv Offline Ksv
          Ksv (Sergei) 14 January 2022 00: 22
          +1
          I agree with you in principle, but what prevents you from calling Turkish troops to Kazakhstan next time? Nothing. We have no right to send our troops into Kazakhstan in any way, this is a fact. There are no friends in politics, only interests. the behavior of Erdogan, whom we saved from the coup, proves this a hundred times! Alas. We, Russians, constantly think in terms of honor and dignity - other people think in a different way.
          1. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
            Pishenkov (Alexey) 14 January 2022 11: 17
            0
            As for the Russians, it's true. But calling Turkish troops is a problem: it will be very difficult to justify it in an international format, especially within the framework of the CSTO. Turkey is a member of the hostile NATO bloc and the Russian Federation and the Republic of Belarus will at least definitely be against it. And the different unions of the Turkic states there are purely interest clubs, so to speak, and so far at least, it has nothing to do with security
            1. Ksv Offline Ksv
              Ksv (Sergei) 14 January 2022 17: 27
              -2
              That's exactly what a member of NATO. therefore, the "international community" will only be in favor, there will be no need to justify anything. We have already observed similar things more than once, especially in the performance of Turkey in Libya, in Syria. True, Turkey understands that this means a direct military clash with the CSTO troops (international law will be on our side in this case, but who cares lately?) on the territory of Kazakhstan, then we will definitely take our northern territories for ourselves. Plus, we can speed up both in Syria and Libya, to fight like this to fight already
      4. Eugene Ivanov Offline Eugene Ivanov
        Eugene Ivanov (Evgeny Ivanov) 13 January 2022 22: 36
        +1
        They would have come even now. Yes, their “come” has become very dull. In fact, Turkey would not dream about the “great Turan” now, but how to hold out a tomato until the new harvest. Tauride" it turned out to gather an army. And then the naked "wedding in Malinovka" came out.
      5. Alex777 Offline Alex777
        Alex777 (Alexander) 14 January 2022 14: 01
        0
        Quote: Marzhetsky
        We have already won this game. Why merge the results of a victory?

        Write such heresy - the mind is incomprehensible.
        We have achieved all the goals, there is no point in wasting money on occupation.
        Russia has achieved the main thing in the end - we will not frighten anyone in Central Asia.
        They say the Russians will come and take away your homeland.
        We correctly took the position of "big brother".
        This will protect the interests of the Russian population much more effectively than any occupation.
        And we need troops much more to solve the Bandera issue in Ukraine.
        The call for the occupation of Kazakhstan makes me suspect that you are a foreign agent.
        You're not stupid to write such things? bully
      6. Terenin Offline Terenin
        Terenin (Gennady) 14 January 2022 20: 42
        0
        Quote: Marzhetsky
        Next time he will turn to Turkey for help. The Turks will come and never leave.
        That's it.

        Why such confidence?
        First you need to come ... without loss ...
    2. Ozbek Offline Ozbek
      Ozbek (Gapal Ergashev) 16 January 2022 16: 21
      0
      what kind of bastards? I saw it myself, or does fear have big eyes? are you afraid yourself? but we have nothing to be afraid of, are we afraid that Lukash will croak? we have a better relationship with these bearded men than with people like you. Well, come on, tell them to take your migrants, so what, you will get a mirror answer! stay naked. Ukraine told you dosvidos, do you want the rest to be said? funny, this is in which country the resources belong to the Americans, huh? what are you scared of! m.b. just start working and make friends with everyone ON EQUALS! no one forbids you to join NATO! weak?
  2. Mihail55 Offline Mihail55
    Mihail55 (Michael) 13 January 2022 11: 57
    +9
    The Americans have not left Germany yet! And they don’t call names the occupiers ... but here. SHAME!
    1. Rusa Offline Rusa
      Rusa 13 January 2022 13: 13
      +4
      And no one invited them there, as well as to Japan or Syria.
      Our troops were withdrawn from the GDR on the orders of Gorbachev.
      1. Vermont Offline Vermont
        Vermont (Aslan Tsoutiev) 16 January 2022 07: 20
        -2
        Quote: Rusa
        And no one invited them there, as well as to Japan or Syria.
        Our troops were withdrawn from the GDR on the orders of Gorbachev.

        In Europe, American troops remain just at the request of the Europeans. Yes, in Japan too. But no one asks the Russian troops to stay. Russia only supports dictators, hated by the people, such as Lukashenka, Assad ..
  3. Jarilo Offline Jarilo
    Jarilo (Sergei) 13 January 2022 11: 59
    -3
    Next time you need to support the rebels with the help of PMCs. We will go the other way - not by supporting the oligarchic regime, but by the people of Kazakhstan, but first we need to deal with our oligarchs.
  4. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 13 January 2022 12: 11
    +1
    Quote: Jarilo
    Next time you need to support the rebels with the help of PMCs. We will go the other way - not by supporting the oligarchic regime, but by the people of Kazakhstan, but first we need to deal with our oligarchs.

    No one will deal with our oligarchs in oligarchic Russia.
    Rather, PMCs themselves will deal with those who want to deal with the oligarchs. bully
    1. wamp Offline wamp
      wamp 13 January 2022 14: 36
      -1
      Do you have a short memory?
      https://ko.ru/articles/top-10-samykh-bogatykh-izgnannikov-sovremennoy-rossii/
      1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
        Marzhecki (Sergei) 13 January 2022 14: 48
        +2
        Everything is fine with my memory. As soon as Rotenbergs, Timchenko, Potanin, Vekselberg and others are kicked out, I will take my words back. hi
        I just know how to distinguish between disgraced and loyal oligarchs.
        1. wamp Offline wamp
          wamp 13 January 2022 14: 50
          +3
          Quote: Marzhetsky
          I just know how to distinguish between disgraced and loyal oligarchs.

          And it must be divided into useful or harmful to the power of Russia.
          1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
            Marzhecki (Sergei) 13 January 2022 14: 52
            -3
            This is a very controversial issue. smile
            1. wamp Offline wamp
              wamp 13 January 2022 14: 53
              -1
              And I'm not talking about the discussion, but about the way the question is posed. wink
          2. BMP-2 Offline BMP-2
            BMP-2 (Vladimir V.) 13 January 2022 15: 15
            +1
            There are no useful oligarchs. An oligarch is always a thief.
            1. wamp Offline wamp
              wamp 13 January 2022 15: 19
              -2
              Quote: BMP-2
              There are no useful oligarchs. An oligarch is always a thief.

              A rogue is also a thief. So there is no middle ground.
              1. BMP-2 Offline BMP-2
                BMP-2 (Vladimir V.) 13 January 2022 15: 24
                +1
                Not every rogue is a thief. Every oligarch is a thief.
                1. wamp Offline wamp
                  wamp 13 January 2022 15: 27
                  +1
                  Quote: BMP-2
                  Not every rogue is a thief. Every oligarch is a thief

                  Do you think there are no thieves below the oligarchs?

                  And in general, the topic of oligarchs was raised by liberda to replace Russian entrepreneurs with British gaskets.
                  1. BMP-2 Offline BMP-2
                    BMP-2 (Vladimir V.) 13 January 2022 19: 22
                    0
                    Quote: Wamp
                    Do you think there are no thieves below the oligarchs?

                    And in general, the topic of oligarchs was raised by liberda to replace Russian entrepreneurs with British gaskets.

                    Where are such conclusions from? recourse Of course, thieves are lower and even higher. It's just that in other layers and strata of the population, theft is situational and probabilistic, and for the oligarchs it is always the source of their wealth. And why are you defending them like that? Do you hope to become one of them someday? Disappointing: you will never earn so much money. Something to steal! wassat
                    1. wamp Offline wamp
                      wamp 13 January 2022 19: 47
                      -1
                      Quote: BMP-2
                      And why are you defending them like that?

                      Where do I protect them?
                      Where is their fault, except that you spitefully envy them? Or do you just want to redistribute business in favor of other countries?
                      1. BMP-2 Offline BMP-2
                        BMP-2 (Vladimir V.) 13 January 2022 19: 58
                        +1
                        And where do I envy them? And what is there to be jealous of? They always do not have enough money! laughing And why are the oligarchs of other countries better? And I'm not talking about the redistribution of business, but about the fact that "A thief should be in jail!" (C) Isn't that clear?
                      2. wamp Offline wamp
                        wamp 13 January 2022 20: 01
                        0
                        Quote: BMP-2
                        I say, but about the fact that "A thief should be in prison!" (c)

                        Well, submit your application to the prosecutor's office. Why shake the air in vain?
            2. syndicalist Offline syndicalist
              syndicalist (Dimon) 13 January 2022 22: 24
              0
              There is a fundamental difference between a rogue thief and an oligarch thief. In a certain sense, a rogue cannot be a thief, even if he steals daily in supermarkets. Remember Pushkin's: "You, uncle, are a thief and an impostor!" Here a thief is a enemy, an enemy that poses a threat to the country, which a rogue can never be.
        2. Rusa Offline Rusa
          Rusa 13 January 2022 15: 41
          +2
          And it must be divided into useful and harmful to the power of Russia

          Why, then, Kazakhstan and Ukraine, under the oligarchic system, have not become powerful in 30 years?
          We must judge by social justice and the standard of living of the common people, and not the oligarchs and officials.
          1. wamp Offline wamp
            wamp 13 January 2022 15: 51
            -1
            Quote: Rusa
            What then Kazakhstan and Ukraine under the oligarchic system
            have not become powerful in 30 years?

            Are there no oligarchs in other countries? And why is the United States and .... considered advanced?

            You are confusing the wording regarding the direction of movement of capital. I have already spoken about useful and harmful ...
            If the country is being plundered, then the political system (puppet) is to blame, which directs the oligarchs, gives them the opportunity ...
            1. Rusa Offline Rusa
              Rusa 13 January 2022 15: 57
              +1
              The point is that there is no need for an oligarchic system, in general, including in the Russian Federation.
              1. wamp Offline wamp
                wamp 13 January 2022 16: 00
                -1
                You propose to hang all the entrepreneurs. After all, every top of them will be called oligarchs.
                1. Rusa Offline Rusa
                  Rusa 13 January 2022 16: 08
                  +2
                  With the new system, there will be no "tops".
                  The future belongs to socialism, unambiguously.
                  1. wamp Offline wamp
                    wamp 13 January 2022 16: 10
                    -4
                    In the USSR, there was solid socialism - already in the past!
                    Do not confuse social and socialist states.
                    1. Rusa Offline Rusa
                      Rusa 13 January 2022 16: 20
                      0
                      :) I don’t confuse. Everything has its time.
                    2. wamp Offline wamp
                      wamp 13 January 2022 16: 30
                      -2
                      Quote: Rusa
                      I don’t confuse. Everything has its time.

                      Do you have a backward time?
                      And don't talk about the spiral - this fabulous philosophy is already rotten.
              2. BMP-2 Offline BMP-2
                BMP-2 (Vladimir V.) 13 January 2022 19: 32
                +1
                Quote: Wamp
                You propose to hang all the entrepreneurs. After all, every top of them will be called oligarchs.

                What is it that drives you to extremes? And in general, between the oligarchs and entrepreneurs, the only thing in common is that their goal is to make a profit. But the difference is that entrepreneurs operate within the legal field, while the oligarchs ignore this field.
                1. wamp Offline wamp
                  wamp 13 January 2022 19: 43
                  -1
                  Quote: BMP-2
                  Entrepreneurs operate within the legal field, and the oligarchs ignore this field.

                  Fairy tales!
                  Nobody wants the fate of Al Capone.
        3. syndicalist Offline syndicalist
          syndicalist (Dimon) 13 January 2022 22: 32
          +1
          It doesn't matter in which country - Russia, Ukraine, the USA - the oligarchs are always thieves and enemies of society. These are people who have gained fortunes by robbing the state, who have levers of pressure on the authorities, or who are the authorities themselves. They will never allow the people to carry out a real change of corrupt government.
  • Muscool Offline Muscool
    Muscool (Glory) 13 January 2022 12: 18
    -1
    If the troops remain, will it somehow change the rhetoric of this very minister?
    I can't get the connection.
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 13 January 2022 12: 31
      -4
      The rhetoric will be changed by a harsh suggestion to Tokaev. Rather, such a minister should resign.
      Constitutional reform and federalization will protect the rights of Russians and Russified Kazakhs.
      Russian troops will be a guarantee to prevent a recurrence of the Maidan.
      Got a connection?
      1. wamp Offline wamp
        wamp 13 January 2022 15: 17
        -1
        Quote: Marzhetsky
        Russian troops will be a guarantee to prevent a recurrence of the Maidan.
        Got a connection?

        Only you did not catch that it was about the CSTO troops. Legally, they need to be removed.
        And as for several Russian military bases, they will certainly agree, so no international lawyers will hint.
        1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
          Marzhecki (Sergei) 13 January 2022 19: 44
          +1
          Bases are only part of the question. What about the Russophobe Minister for "Social Development"?
          1. wamp Offline wamp
            wamp 13 January 2022 20: 13
            0
            Quote: Marzhetsky
            What about the Russophobe Minister for "Social Development"?

            Is it not clear that this is an ordinary opportunist. What they say will happen ... As in Ukraine, as in the United States and the EU ...
            There everyone pleases someone. Then it will be reset.
            Human nature, s.
      2. Ksv Offline Ksv
        Ksv (Sergei) 14 January 2022 00: 27
        0
        Tokayev is not stupid, he understands what is beneficial for us at the moment, so that there is no lawlessness in Kazakhstan. Even if we forced them to pass the laws we need, then who will prevent them from repealing these laws in the future. we won’t send troops after that, it’s chaos ...
  • Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 13 January 2022 12: 31
    -3
    And earlier the article was that this is a victory.
    Deval, as they say for a long time, in details that we do not know.
    IMHO, the demonstrative conclusion is unequivocally advantageous.

    The main thing is how to calculate how many entered and withdrawn.
    Volunteers, sports food vendors, non-existent PMCs, instructors and other "retired tank school cadets" - who will count them?
    1. BMP-2 Offline BMP-2
      BMP-2 (Vladimir V.) 13 January 2022 15: 17
      0
      God is in the details, the devil is in the little things!
    2. Ksv Offline Ksv
      Ksv (Sergei) 14 January 2022 00: 30
      0
      Nu-nu, hundreds of our valiant agents will dissolve among saleswomen, salesmen, and others whom you named there. Do you really believe in it?
  • viktortarianik Offline viktortarianik
    viktortarianik (Victor) 13 January 2022 12: 40
    +5
    The CSTO helped Tokayev retain power and will leave. But this power is too similar to Yushchenko-Poroshenkovskaya. We saved Kazakhstan from an internal war today but laid a "Ukrainian" mine close by, which is fraught with danger for Russia.
  • Bakht Offline Bakht
    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 13 January 2022 12: 48
    +5
    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) January 7, 2022 09:59 PM

    in real life here no optimal solution. All solutions are bad. Tokayev hid behind the CSTO and began a harsh dispersal of the protesters. He is not going to leave or change his policy. But I am more than sure that he will not extinguish nationalism either. So the extrusion of Russians from Kazakhstan will only intensify. For 30 years, the number of Russians in Kazakhstan has halved. From 6 million to 3 million. Now the process will go faster.
    1. Bulanov Offline Bulanov
      Bulanov (Vladimir) 13 January 2022 13: 14
      +4
      Read my previous post from last year:

      Kazakhstan is heading towards abandoning everything Russian
      October 9 2021

      ...Now in Central Asia Cyrillic writing has remained in Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan. The Latin alphabet has long been used in Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan. It seems to me that just the Tajiks and Kirghiz will have a significant advantage in the future in finding a job in the vast expanses of rich Russia. And the Kazakhs? The Kazakhs choose a different path - the path of abandoning their former literature and writing and from a joint future development with Russia. Perhaps Turkey will become closer to them over time? After all, the Kazakhs are unlikely to succeed in sitting on two chairs, being in the CSTO and completely taking a course towards rapprochement with NATO member Turkey. Will have to choose. Or to Russia, with which they lived together for so many years, or to Turkey, which dreams of reviving the Ottoman Empire. But first you need to remember how the Ottomans treated the Kazakhs...

      https://topcor.ru/22042-kazahstan-beret-kurs-na-otkaz-ot-vsego-russkogo.html
      1. Ozbek Offline Ozbek
        Ozbek (Gapal Ergashev) 13 January 2022 14: 22
        .
        alphabet problem? do you even want to control the alphabet? a? and how Cyrillic differs from Latin (AETOPHKXCBM) and many additional. letters included in them? what is the problem here? only politics. And YOU do not want to be equal, honestly approach and respect? a? or are you trying to muffle grief from separation from the Ukrainians with revenge on the Turks?
        1. Bakht Offline Bakht
          Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 13 January 2022 14: 43
          +10
          Nobody wants to control anything. We switched to Latin. I saw no benefit. There was harm. A small excursion into personal experience.
          They sent us a chief from Cote de Ivoire. Black as soot. We started talking. I ask what languages ​​he knows. English, French and some local dialect. He teaches his wife French, because she, besides the local dialect, does not know any other languages. What is the official language in the country? The answer is French. I ask why not local? The answer is simple enough. Upon gaining independence, there was a question of choosing a language. Choosing a local means cutting yourself off from the culture, science of the whole world. Therefore, all the tribes agreed that French would be the official one.

          You can take yourself Latin, Cyrillic, learn English or Chinese. Or your local. It does not matter. Do you have textbooks on nuclear physics, molecular biology, astronomy in your local language? You can choose English and get all these books in English. Choosing an alphabet is not as easy as it sounds. There are questions of phonetics. What sounds can you pronounce in Latin. Even Azerbaijani and Turkish have unique phonetic sounds. And having the Latin alphabet, we added some additional letters to it. We have an alphabet based on the Latin alphabet, but not Latin. The downside is that many people (especially the older generation) have become illiterate. I myself write with errors. A conversation in a bazaar is not literary speech. My grandmother knew Azerbaijani based on Farsi. Then they changed to Latin, then to Cyrillic. Until her death, she could not read and write in Cyrillic. And even in Latin. She wrote in Farsi all her life. My father knew Azerbaijani literary and Russian literary very well. He did not allow me to distort my language. He said "use either Azerbaijani or Russian. But don't you dare insert words unusual for the language. You can speak with an accent, but you can't distort the language."

          You will have the same. You will go to the Latin alphabet. Change your phonetic component. It will no longer be Kazakh or Uzbek. It will be necessary to teach young people a new language and a new perception of the world. Minimum 20 years old. I think 40 (two generations).
          And yes, then it will be more difficult for you to find a job in Russia. Found in Europe. Not all. Those who have opportunities and money. But this is your choice. Nobody will interfere with you.
          1. Ksv Offline Ksv
            Ksv (Sergei) 14 January 2022 00: 37
            -1
            You wrote so many bukaffes to him in vain, he still won’t understand the essence. Education is a great thing, which unfortunately most do not understand. You understand, for this respect.
            1. Bakht Offline Bakht
              Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 14 January 2022 00: 45
              +3
              Unfortunately without "bukaff" it is impossible to explain anything. I can give another example. The teacher in the magistracy asks the masters in what language to teach geochemistry. Everyone unanimously declared - in Azerbaijani. Well there is no problem. But there is no textbook in Azerbaijani. There are textbooks in Russian. It turned out that half of the masters do not know the Russian language (25 years since they switched to the Latin alphabet and they don’t even understand Cyrillic letters). And what to do? Found a textbook in English. One for the whole institution. They taught in English (although no one had a good knowledge of English). Strong specialists will grow!!!
              I am not exaggerating at all. This is a real case from a very recent practice. The President of the Academy then said: "Without ABSOLUTE knowledge of Russian or English, I will not accept graduate school. It is simply impossible." He did not say anything about Azerbaijani.
              There are more examples. But that's just embarrassing stuff. It's embarrassing to even write about it.
              1. Ksv Offline Ksv
                Ksv (Sergei) 14 January 2022 01: 07
                -1
                Yes, I understand that, but he does not understand this. Although he may understand, and this is a great happiness, for him! In order for a mambet to understand about education, he must first get it. he needs other examples.
                P.s. who will believe that a Dagestanian can work as a programmer in the Kaspersky antivirus laboratory? And this is a real fact, I lived with this man in the same room in a hostel in the late nineties, when I studied at the institute. The smartest person (IQ 185, only one more Russian guy at the institute had such a coefficient), respect for him, but why? Because he received the appropriate education. Nationality is not important, education is important
                1. Bakht Offline Bakht
                  Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 14 January 2022 09: 39
                  0
                  Why don't I believe in a Dagestan programmer? I even believe it.
                  I had a Filipino party leader. As chiefs, I saw a Malaysian, an African, an Azerbaijani. The leading specialists were Azerbaijanis (they worked in Norway). Education is everything.
          2. Ozbek Offline Ozbek
            Ozbek (Gapal Ergashev) 16 January 2022 16: 29
            0
            don't have these tutorials? Yes, you are one of those who think that you should try to translate pathology, geology, dentistry and all the logy, spectrum, convector, altitude, pediatrics, enclave, conclave, drift, outline ... and thousands of non-Russian words into your own language. And it’s hard for you to translate them into Russian, huh? Who wrote algebra? you don’t know, but you still have bast shoes, I know, and swamps too. It's weak just to have a normal relationship without guns and pressure! first put things in order in the Caucasus, in Tatarstan, and in 20 other national subjects!
            1. Bakht Offline Bakht
              Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 16 January 2022 20: 27
              0
              No, you won't understand. I'll tell you more. I have a dictionary of foreign words in Russian at home. The volume is more than 10. And a list of Russian surnames of Turkic origin. From Aksakov to Yumatov. So what?
              I wish you to teach the same geology in an English textbook. It won't work in Kazakh. I can give more than 20 training CDs on geology in English. But I think you won't understand them in Russian either.
              Like I said, it's YOUR choice.
        2. Bakht Offline Bakht
          Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 13 January 2022 16: 01
          +5
          https://articlekz.com/article/19928

          In Kazakhstan, the state language is Kazakh, Russian is the language of interethnic communication, and both of them use the Cyrillic alphabet. Schoolchildren who are now learning the current alphabet, and will soon be learning the new alphabet in Latin, will especially experience difficulties. Supporters of the transition to the Latin alphabet see the following advantage in the fact that it is possible to join or even unite with the countries of the Turkic world (Turkey, Azerbaijan, Uzbekistan). If you follow this logic, then it turns out that there may be rejection from Russia (since they use the Cyrillic alphabet). Russia is one of the leading countries, despite the fact that it uses the Cyrillic alphabet. In my opinion the issues of unification do not lie in the linguistic sphere. It would be good will - the alphabet does not matter much.

          The whole meaning of the transition to the Latin alphabet is expressed in one phrase - this is rejection from Russia. Again, this is your choice. Next time Russia may not come. Or it will come with very specific requirements. You won't like them.
      2. Bakht Offline Bakht
        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 13 January 2022 14: 51
        +2
        To be honest, I was never interested and did not know how "the Ottomans treated the Kazakhs."
      3. 123 Offline 123
        123 (123) 13 January 2022 15: 26
        +2
        ... Now in Central Asia, the Cyrillic script remained in Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan.

        Surely, first of all, they will try to shake the situation, well, perhaps Uzbekistan. Although what is there in Kyrgyzstan is still possible to stagger, it is not clear, and so everything is in dust. It looks like something not very pleasant is expected, in any case, the base is being strengthened.

        Servicemen of the tank battalion of the Russian 201st military base stationed in Tajikistan underwent retraining for modern T-72B3M tanks with improved combat characteristics.
        Three dozen T-72B3Ms entered the 201st Russian military base in December last year.

        https://vestnik-rm.ru/news/oborona-i-bezopasnost/novye-t-72b3m-znachitelno-povysili-boevye-vozmozhnosti-201-j-voennoj-bazy?utm_source=warfiles.ru

  • baltika3 Offline baltika3
    baltika3 (baltika3) 13 January 2022 13: 36
    -5
    Russian soldiers must remain under any pretext

    That is, apart from open occupation, Russia has no other instruments of influence on anyone.

    President Tokayev needs to be given a tough suggestion

    Which? That they will kill him if he does not do what he is told? So he is already doing what he was told - only from Beijing, not from Moscow. Seriously, is this six Tokayev suddenly so brave in itself? He has already received both instructions and guarantees. The word China is missing in the article.
  • Ozbek Offline Ozbek
    Ozbek (Gapal Ergashev) 13 January 2022 14: 14
    -1
    and what is the victory? in and out, is this a victory? Russian peacekeeping forces did not participate in hostilities; they guarded important strategic objects and the government itself. these are not my words. these are official publications. They did not even take part in the cleansing operations conducted by ONLY the Kazakh military. or who has a link to the official source of the opposite?
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 13 January 2022 14: 37
      +3
      The victory lies in the fact of the military operation, which confirmed Russia's support for the regime. Only this allowed Tokayev to resist. Mind is not enough to understand it?
    2. Ksv Offline Ksv
      Ksv (Sergei) 14 January 2022 00: 40
      0
      They just saved Kazakhstan from the collapse of the state. Or not, do you think?
  • Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 13 January 2022 14: 51
    +4
    Quote: Ozbek
    the problem is in the alphabet? do you even want to control the alphabet? a? and how the Cyrillic alphabet differs from the Latin alphabet (AETOPHKXCBM) and many additional. letters included in them? what is the problem here? only politics. And YOU don't want to be on an equal footing, honestly get closer and respect? a? or are you trying to stifle grief from separation from the Ukrainians with revenge on the Turks?

    By the way, what about the right of ethnic Russians and Russified Kazakhs to read and write in Cyrillic?
    1. Ksv Offline Ksv
      Ksv (Sergei) 14 January 2022 00: 41
      -1
      He still doesn't get it! It's different...
  • Mikhail L. Offline Mikhail L.
    Mikhail L. 13 January 2022 15: 10
    -1
    If the Russian peacekeepers stayed in Kazakhstan, would the NGOs be expelled, and the appointment of the objectionable minister would not take place?
    The impression from the publication is that the political course of the neighboring country is solely determined by ... Askar Umarov!
    President K-Zh. Tokayev has to fight off accusations that he has become a Kremlin puppet.
    Therefore, his contradictory actions are adequate, and it is too early to talk about the defeat of the Russian Federation!
  • Eduard Aplombov Offline Eduard Aplombov
    Eduard Aplombov (Eduard Aplombov) 13 January 2022 15: 22
    +4
    The odbk of russia and its airborne troops are not intended to create a base, the base is created by rear and engineer troops, they are building logistics, the impression that they entered and should sit in tents in an open field, the base is created from scratch, like Moscow, gradually and the troops are not the ones who came
    chef, everything is lost ...
    oholonite writers, in the coming months we will all see if there are changes or not, but not now and right away
    1. Ksv Offline Ksv
      Ksv (Sergei) 14 January 2022 00: 45
      0
      That's right, smile and wave! Hope everything goes right!
  • Teaser Offline Teaser
    Teaser (Vasiliy) 13 January 2022 16: 11
    0
    Quote: Marzhetsky
    This is just the beginning of the Great Game in Kazakhstan.

    We have already won this game. Why merge the results of a victory?

    They say (evil tongues) that Comrade Xi Jinping told Comrade Putin that he should leave Kazakhstan... And there should be no joining of Kazakhstan to Russia, or even just North Kazakhstan to Russia.
    Maybe they're lying? wink lol
    1. Ksv Offline Ksv
      Ksv (Sergei) 14 January 2022 00: 43
      -2
      China is not strong enough for us to obey in Kazakhstan! That's not how politics is done
  • Teaser Offline Teaser
    Teaser (Vasiliy) 13 January 2022 16: 15
    0
    Quote: Marzhetsky
    By the way, what about the right of ethnic Russians and Russified Kazakhs to read and write in Cyrillic?

    They will write in Cyrillic, and the rest of Kazakhstan - in Latin, - Sergei, in this joke you have surpassed yourself! laughing lol wassat
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 13 January 2022 19: 43
      +2
      There is such a thing as the state language. Education takes place on it, all official documents and papers are drawn up.
      So it won't work in Cyrillic. No joke, alas.
  • Konstantin_3 Offline Konstantin_3
    Konstantin_3 (Konstantin Zelenin) 13 January 2022 16: 16
    0
    Is it okay that the terms of stay have already been discussed in the documents?
    And to broadcast here with a smart face - to carry complete nonsense.
    What, it was necessary to arrange elections?
    Negotiations are underway on the military base.
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 14 January 2022 08: 07
      0
      Well, don't broadcast here with a smart face. bully
  • gorskova.ir Offline gorskova.ir
    gorskova.ir (Irina Gorskova) 13 January 2022 17: 51
    0
    Although I do not like Tokayev's quick decision to withdraw the CSTO, and it brings up some thoughts. While hysteria should not be. You need to wait a bit.
  • Adler77 Offline Adler77
    Adler77 (Denis) 13 January 2022 18: 19
    0
    I immediately said that this was a mistake. Maybe even a trap. Thank God at least I didn’t have to shoot ... it turned out that in the CSTO its members didn’t have any transport aviation) The Russian Air Force drove everyone, only the Belarusians seemed to partially get there on their own ... in general, I xs .. some kind of strange so far it turns out mnogohodovochka
  • qtfreet Offline qtfreet
    qtfreet (Stephen Hawkins) 13 January 2022 18: 34
    0
    And how did it happen that different articles have diametrically opposed views on the same event?
    Just yesterday at 9:30 an article was published "Why the sudden withdrawal of CSTO troops from Kazakhstan should not disappointwhere it was written:

    “Yes, how? After all, everything was twisted so famously! And now it will end like this - immediately and with nothing ?! I hasten to console those who do not seem to understand the main thing. First, far from "nothing". And secondly, nothing just ends. In fact, the real “big game” throughout the “post-Soviet space”, which was launched by the events in Kazakhstan, is only now beginning in earnest.

    Nobody, of course, calls for an ultimatum to demand from Tokayev to "show the door" to Western investors in order to immediately take their place. We are not Americans, after all, but people ... However, there are still options for a solution. The President of Kazakhstan himself admits: an abnormal situation has developed in the country under the previous government, in which "the growth of the total national income coexisted with its unfair distribution." At the same time, Tokayev speaks without any bluntness about some "incredibly profitable companies and super-rich people" that appeared in Kazakhstan "thanks to Elbasy." So far, he is only talking about the fact that these fast-riches (and, in particular, the leaders and members of the leading financial-oligarchic groups) will have to "actively share with the people." However, most likely the process of "dispossession" of the nouveau riche, who have warmed themselves in the shadow of the Nazarbayev clan, will not stop there. And who, if not Russia, which supported Kasym Tokayev at the decisive moments, should be presented with the rights to certain shares of the "pieces" of the economic "pie" belonging to them? It is clear not about any "gifts", but about the opportunity for our companies to enter the Kazakh economy in a much larger volume than now.

    Among other things, this would mean for Tokayev additional guarantees that Moscow will continue to be just as attentive to his requests for help - if there are any. It is quite natural that in such a “situation” the provision by local authorities of the “maximum favored nation regime” for domestic business would also look. For a start, that would be enough. Well, and then - how it goes. In any case, the benefit that Russia has gained from the events of the beginning of this year should be intelligible and visible to everyone - thus, future contenders for patronage and protection of Moscow will understand that they will not get off with only sentimental talks about the “brotherhood” that has long gone into the past.

    Speaking frankly, the Kazakh events cannot be called the start of a “reformatting” or, if you like, a “reboot” of what is called the “post-Soviet space”. The current process began, rather, with Belarus. Or rather, with the help of Moscow in overcoming the local "Maidan" crisis and real steps to create the Union State. And this is one of the ways of transformation. But not every former republic wants to follow it. And, besides, the conclusion of an alliance on the model of the Belarusian one will be beneficial to our country not with any of them. Well, here's the second option for you: maximum partnerships in all areas - from military-technical to economic. An unconditional rejection of the cultivation of any ultra-nationalist sentiments and movements (invariably "involved" in extreme forms and manifestations of Russophobia). A certain distancing from too close "friendship" with the West, implying, first of all, a complete ban on the deployment of military facilities of NATO or any of the members of this bloc. Time will tell which of these directions will be more attractive for our "old-new" allies and partners, and, first of all, for Russia. Oh, yes, there is also China... Well, with it, one way or another, we will have to somehow distribute both roles and shares in the "post-Soviet space". It is quite possible to start from Kazakhstan.

    Today, optimism is replaced not only by pessimism, but rather by despair from the category of "everything is lost ...
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 14 January 2022 08: 06
      0
      Different authors have different views on this problem. That's all.
  • sapper2 Offline sapper2
    sapper2 (Minesweeper2) 13 January 2022 18: 36
    0
    We all counted on a slightly different scenario for the development of relations .... We'll have to live with what we have in the person of Tokayev and his Jesuit policy ... Didn't Putin know his true face?
  • Vladimir Daetoya (Vladimir Daetoya) 13 January 2022 19: 06
    -1
    Probably the Teutons called Elbasa and explained their mutual material benefits from the speedy withdrawal of Russian peacekeepers
  • Alex Orlov Offline Alex Orlov
    Alex Orlov (Alex) 13 January 2022 19: 21
    0
    I look at this, everything that is happening in the world, and I understand more and more - this Gordian knot can only be cut. It won't unravel anymore. Yes, there will be huge sacrifices. Perhaps even half of the world's population, although I think less. But the world needs to change radically. A new world order must be formed. Otherwise, we will wait for such a development of military technologies that nothing will save us in the event of a war. I wish I could be wrong and believe in reason, but events indicate that reason has given up.
    1. Ksv Offline Ksv
      Ksv (Sergei) 14 January 2022 00: 49
      -1
      Do not panic, military technology has already reached such a development that the majority will definitely die in the event of a global war immediately, without torment ...
  • Vladimir Daetoya (Vladimir Daetoya) 13 January 2022 19: 24
    0
    Vsepropalskie arguments as always scanty. In this operation, the CSTO Russians protected the Russians and will protect them as many times as necessary.
    And what is asked to do by our elite paratrooper in Kazakhstan? they must constantly train at the base and participate in military exercises.
  • Crunch Offline Crunch
    Crunch (Crunch) 13 January 2022 19: 44
    +2
    Yes, we should have gone there later. Give different people the opportunity to hang out with different people, rub their backs against the rock more, so that our coming there will be a relief. As, for example, in Belarus. When the brigadier's family itself smelled of fried food, he, enraged, began to give out such a roar from the podium that I was afraid for him. Somewhere I read that the best cure for multi-vectority is asphalt. On which they trample on the muzzle and the rest of the legs. After the long-awaited input. could have stayed longer.
  • Teaser Offline Teaser
    Teaser (Vasiliy) 13 January 2022 19: 49
    -3
    Quote: Marzhetsky
    There is such a thing as the state language. Education takes place on it, all official documents and papers are drawn up.
    So it won't work in Cyrillic. No joke, alas.

    Then how to understand this is yours:

    By the way, what about the right of ethnic Russians and Russified Kazakhs to read and write in Cyrillic?
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 14 January 2022 08: 05
      0
      I don't understand where you see the contradiction?
  • Crunch Offline Crunch
    Crunch (Crunch) 13 January 2022 19: 50
    0
    Quote: Marzhetsky
    The victory lies in the fact of the military operation, which confirmed Russia's support for the regime. Only this allowed Tokayev to resist. Mind is not enough to understand it?

    Or maybe there was no need to give Tokayev an opportunity to stay? Wait and see how they will be treated there for multi-vector? And, at the decisive moment, make an offer that could not be refused? There was a request for help. Now, having gathered, and having prayed on the path, it was possible to move ...
    1. Ksv Offline Ksv
      Ksv (Sergei) 14 January 2022 00: 56
      0
      Apparently, the situation with NATO and the United States prevented you from waiting, you know
    2. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 14 January 2022 08: 04
      0
      Maybe it wasn't necessary.
  • Banski Offline Banski
    Banski (Banski) 13 January 2022 22: 44
    +2
    A lot of text, but everything is simple to the point of banality, just about this (in order to get out of Kazakhstan) very "politely" asked China and how please tell Putin can disobey his older "brother".
    1. Ksv Offline Ksv
      Ksv (Sergei) 14 January 2022 00: 59
      0
      Would China bring in its troops? We were there according to the law, and we also went out according to the law, by the way! that's all, the problem is solved at the moment, then HZ, we are waiting ... Tokaev is smart enough not to ask China to send its troops to Kazakhstan, they are afraid of the Chinese, and very much
  • Red sun Offline Red sun
    Red sun (solerosso) 13 January 2022 23: 29
    -1
    If it were not for the morons who are yelling from the screens about the exclusivity of the Russian nation and the fact that everyone around should have a different attitude. And so you get what you deserve.
    1. Ksv Offline Ksv
      Ksv (Sergei) 14 January 2022 01: 01
      0
      The attitude towards us from this will not change in any way, if you have not understood yet. And what did they get? And what did they deserve?
  • Ksv Offline Ksv
    Ksv (Sergei) 14 January 2022 00: 07
    0
    The expression "where, where, in Karaganda!" will sound differently today, probably ...
    P.s. without irony
  • Netyn Offline Netyn
    Netyn (Netyn) 14 January 2022 03: 36
    -1
    The introduction of the CSTO troops actually saved Mr. Tokayev, after which Beijing, which had previously emphasized aloofness, came into play. Chairman Xi himself phoned in Astana, approving the actions of the CSTO and assuring Mr. Tokayev of full and all-round political support, and then Mr. Wang Yi, the head of the PRC Foreign Ministry, clarified the specifics: from now on, China is ready to "jointly resist the intervention and penetration of any external forces ",
    After that, Mr. Tokayev said that the CSTO troops were no longer needed, and then, having arrived in Almaty, he repeated the same more persistently, however, stressing that he was very grateful, because it was not possible to cope without them. This turn of the situation was unexpected and not very pleasant for the Kremlin.

    The result?

    The task of the UK was to preserve influence, the task of the USA was to increase its influence, the task of Turkey (which turned on very abruptly and unexpectedly for everyone) was to try to seize control over Kazakhstan from the rest, and the task of China and the Russian Federation was not to lose Kazakhstan.
    China strengthened its position in Kazakhstan by an order of magnitude, weakening the position of the Turks as much as possible and did not allow the United States to multiply its influence, but at the same time did not offend the UK, and the Kremlin did not give the opportunity to feel completely independent, because when the Kremlin suddenly decides that it is completely independent , you can expect anything from the Kremlin.

    The Russian Federation indicated its place, but it demonstrated to the world the CSTO's capacity and its influence in this organization, to China - its readiness to fulfill its wishes, the United States - the ability to abruptly break their plans, and Great Britain - the fact that it can be useful (London is not in vain, unlike from Washington, did not object to the introduction of the CSTO).

    Belarus, acting exactly according to its own measure, showed China that it is absolutely reliable and authoritative within the framework of the CSTO, made the Russian Federation understand that it will always support it in difficult moments, and the States, in passing, that it wanted to spit on them, and at the same time can firmly count the fact that relations with Kazakhstan, which were profitable before, will become even more profitable.

    The states did not get a fatal, but a painful splash (however, they are to blame, London played them blindly), and the main loser is Turkey. True, she has not completely lost her position, she can even restore them - her lobby in Kazakhstan is too strong, Mr. Tokayev is forced to reckon with him, ("Umarov's case"), but it will take a long time to lick the wounds. (C)
    1. Gennady1972 Offline Gennady1972
      Gennady1972 (Gennady) 14 January 2022 06: 14
      0
      And I think that Russophobic sentiments in Kazakhstan are very beneficial for Russia. The more Russians move from Kazakhstan to Russia, the better. There are not enough workers, demographic policy does not give tangible results, and the covid mows people down.
  • Nikolay Moroz Offline Nikolay Moroz
    Nikolay Moroz (Nikolay Moroz) 14 January 2022 09: 25
    0
    When the author writes about the civilized world .. and where did he see it .. maybe he was looking through a telescope at the MOON .. he was looking for traces of the American exploration of craters there .. so they still cannot explain how they got there .. but Russians and Kazakhs from this blueness .. want to puke.
  • Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 14 January 2022 10: 38
    0
    Quote: Gennady1972
    And I think that Russophobic sentiments in Kazakhstan are very beneficial for Russia. The more Russians move from Kazakhstan to Russia, the better. There are not enough workers, demographic policy does not give tangible results, and the covid mows people down.

    Are you ready to bear the expenses of these people for moving and settling in another country?
    1. Gennady1972 Offline Gennady1972
      Gennady1972 (Gennady) 14 January 2022 13: 09
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      The government has been working on this issue for a long time - everyone is offered to move to the Far East
  • Sofa division Offline Sofa division
    Sofa division (Maksim) 14 January 2022 10: 39
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    Quote: Darkwing123
    This is the result of centuries of movement along the track trampled by Alexander Nevsky, Vasily III, Ivan the Terrible, Stalin and now Putin ...

    Neither Ivan the Terrible nor Nevsky has anything to do with it. This is the result of the Khrushchev-Gorbachev activity.
  • Kapany3 Offline Kapany3
    Kapany3 14 January 2022 15: 46
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    Quote: Marzhetsky
    Everything is fine with my memory. As soon as Rotenbergs, Timchenko, Potanin, Vekselberg and others are kicked out, I will take my words back. hi
    I just know how to distinguish between disgraced and loyal oligarchs.

    Select and divide. Already passed this in the 17th year. An oligarch may be a bastard, but not everyone, and yes, to steal a table you need brains. So your application can be comrade. Send Zyuganov, the same "oligarch" probably.
  • Teaser Offline Teaser
    Teaser (Vasiliy) 14 January 2022 16: 15
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    Quote from ksv
    China is not strong enough for us to obey in Kazakhstan! That's not how politics is done

    You have no idea how much he is already strong.
  • Teaser Offline Teaser
    Teaser (Vasiliy) 14 January 2022 16: 18
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    Quote: Marzhetsky
    I don't understand where you see the contradiction?

    In the fact that the whole of Kazakhstan would eat in the Latin alphabet, talk about the right of Russians to write in Kazakh in Cyrillic is nonsense. They will only be able to write in Cyrillic on fences.
  • Teaser Offline Teaser
    Teaser (Vasiliy) 14 January 2022 16: 22
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    Quote: Marzhetsky
    Quote: Gennady1972
    And I think that Russophobic sentiments in Kazakhstan are very beneficial for Russia. The more Russians move from Kazakhstan to Russia, the better. There are not enough workers, demographic policy does not give tangible results, and the covid mows people down.

    Are you ready to bear the expenses of these people for moving and settling in another country?

    Why does a poor Israel instantly grant any Jew (even only "a quarter") citizenship and material assistance during the first year of residence - for absorption in the country - why Great Russia does not do the same with respect to any ethnic Russian who arrived because of a milestone wishing to become its citizen ?!
    Are Jews a "More Valuable Resource"? wink laughing lol
  • Teaser Offline Teaser
    Teaser (Vasiliy) 14 January 2022 16: 28
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    Quote from ksv
    Would China bring in its troops? We were there according to the law, and we also went out according to the law, by the way! that's all, the problem is solved at the moment, then HZ, we are waiting ... Tokaev is smart enough not to ask China to send its troops to Kazakhstan, they are afraid of the Chinese, and very much

    Comrade Xi Jinping does not care deeply that Kazakhs are afraid of him. "The sheriff's Indians don't care about problems."... And it affects both Kazakhstan and Russia is extremely simple: by cutting off the oxygen in the throat, or letting go of the noose ... And don't (while) to enter Chinese troops there.
  • Crunch Offline Crunch
    Crunch (Crunch) 14 January 2022 17: 01
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    Quote from ksv
    Apparently, the situation with NATO and the United States prevented you from waiting, you know

    These friends have always been on the winning side. Intervene at our side. when one side has already asked ITS ALLY for help? I do not think. To be in a hurry is, in my opinion, in vain. In the book "Gloomy River", Proshka's loyal guard, Ibrahim-oglu, always let the guys stuff this jerk in the face, and only after that ....
  • Crunch Offline Crunch
    Crunch (Crunch) 14 January 2022 17: 12
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    Quote: Teaser
    Quote: Marzhetsky
    Quote: Gennady1972
    And I think that Russophobic sentiments in Kazakhstan are very beneficial for Russia. The more Russians move from Kazakhstan to Russia, the better. There are not enough workers, demographic policy does not give tangible results, and the covid mows people down.

    Are you ready to bear the expenses of these people for moving and settling in another country?

    Why does a poor Israel instantly grant any Jew (even only "a quarter") citizenship and material assistance during the first year of residence - for absorption in the country - why Great Russia does not do the same with respect to any ethnic Russian who arrived because of a milestone wishing to become its citizen ?!
    Are Jews a "More Valuable Resource"? wink laughing lol

    Until the age of 35 he lived in Russia. Then - 7 in Tajikistan, and since 1990 - again at home. And the relationship between Russians is not in Russia, radically different from the relationship between them in Russia. THERE - we were like Jews here. More friendly, there is no one. No envy, no jealousy of success. For three quarters they knew each other by name. And HERE is completely different. Why? I asked myself a question? The answer came, it turns out. if there are few of us, we are all our own. If there are many of us HERE, we are not our own, well, if not strangers. Imagine, you are walking around Moscow and you meet a neighbor who is on the next street. The houses said hello and dispersed. And in Moscow, you are almost relatives. If somewhere on the moon you meet an American, yes, after all, no and will not be dearer than him. The instinct of self-preservation of the nation turns on. Jews are few. So. they instinctively strive for each other. Mutual assistance and all that. And how do the same Russians behave in Russia, but in Tatar or Chuvash villages?
  • Murliqa Offline Murliqa
    Murliqa (Natalia ) 14 January 2022 17: 16
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    Do not count your chickens before they are hatched
  • Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 14 January 2022 19: 05
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    I think that their diasporas in the Russian Federation should be treated the same as they treat our diasporas at home, this is the only way to put these ... in their place. It is time for our government, not in words, but in deeds, to pursue a mirror policy towards foreign states and people from them
  • Vitaly Ivanov_2 Offline Vitaly Ivanov_2
    Vitaly Ivanov_2 (Vitaly Ivanov) 14 January 2022 21: 19
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    Complete nonsense
  • Own Kyrgyz Offline Own Kyrgyz
    Own Kyrgyz (Svoi Kyrgyz) 15 January 2022 12: 31
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    Marzhetsky lays rather thinly for a thick ear.

    We proceeded from the assumption that after the completion of the redistribution of power and the withdrawal of our troops, which had done their job, a label would be hung on Russian soldiers ..

    Comment - Not "after completion", but in case of "non-leaving". The State Department was hinting at this, and Pan Reporter Marzhetsky is just suggesting "not leaving" and "leaving" the Russian contingent in the Republic of Kazakhstan! Bravo ... a noble figure of speech turned out. A thick ear, for sure, will not notice a dirty trick.

    The essence around which the manipulation of the gentlemen of NATO is built is the "terms" of the stay of the CSTO in the Republic of Kazakhstan.

    Yes, I agree, the urgency of the withdrawal of the CSTO is a betrayal by the local bourgeoisie. First of all - themselves. As you know, any bourgeoisie loves to do this. For it is indifferent to the fate of its people.
    But this does not mean that "leaving" the Russian contingent contrary to the requirements of the RK is Putin's mistake.
    No, such a judgment is a thick provocation from Marzhetsky.

    Is it really necessary to explain why even the hasty withdrawal of the CSTO was not a mistake?
  • Alex_Ko Offline Alex_Ko
    Alex_Ko (Alexander) 17 January 2022 12: 39
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    I don't think it's a defeat. Russia does not need to create a new USSR. Rather, development needs a vector inward, not outward. Take Kazakhstan and hang weights on your feet again? Again to develop colonies at the expense of the people of the metropolis? Of course, big business will be very happy to receive a new vector for development. New mines, retail chains.
  • kriten Offline kriten
    kriten (Vladimir) 19 January 2022 12: 10
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    That is, in simple words: all hope for the Kremlin to abandon a policy that can be called impotent. But what about the opinion of the West, which is guided by all of our semi-corrupt government.