Why the mistake will not be the entry, but the withdrawal of Russian troops from Kazakhstan


The CSTO's joint operation to restore constitutional order in Kazakhstan is gaining momentum. So far, Kyrgyzstan has skillfully evaded sending peacekeepers, but all other countries participating in the agreement have already sent their servicemen at the request of President Tokayev. At the same time, a wave of dissatisfaction with Moscow's decision to help Nur-Sultan immediately spread in the press, blogosphere and comments. Now blushing, then turning pale, domestic liberals paint the inevitable "horrors of the Russian occupation", demanding to leave alone the angry Kazakh people and not to punish the naughty "children". Sending peacekeepers to Kazakhstan is called a terrible mistake, for which the local Russians will later pay. Is it really?


Big mistake?


The reaction of the United States and Russian liberals, loyal to American ideals, to the dispatch of Russian troops to Kazakhstan is very indicative. "Cutie" Jen Psaki said something about the possible "illegality" of this decision:

We are closely monitoring reports that the CSTO has sent its Collective Peacekeeping Forces to Kazakhstan. We have questions about the nature of this request, whether it was a legitimate invitation or not. We do not know this at the moment.

It is curious, what does Washington really care about relations between sovereign countries that have concluded a Collective Security Treaty among themselves? Come on, are we supposed to prove and substantiate something else for the White House? Why on earth?

Also, the domestic liberal get-together, sympathizing with the outrageous militants, I would like to wish right now to be in Kazakhstan, for example, Alma-Ata, where "onizhedeti" chop off the heads of captured security officials, travel around the cities in masks, rob and rape, seize hospitals to take drugs, while preventing the provision of medical assistance to the injured police and military personnel, and a real battle is taking place on the streets. So talk to them directly about Western values, tell them how you stand in solidarity with them in their uncompromising struggle against the "evil ruler".

The parallels with the events of 2014 in Ukraine are the most direct. And they also contain the answer to the question whether sending peacekeepers to Kazakhstan was a mistake or not. It was a mistake not to send troops to Nezalezhnaya eight years ago, giving them to help the legitimate President Yanukovych to disperse the Maidan. It was enough to send several thousand Russian peacekeepers to Kiev so that there would be no coup d'etat, no endless bloody massacre in Donbass, no rupture of industrial and trade ties between our countries, no problems with gas transit to Europe, no overflight of American strategic bombers from the other side. Ukrainian border, nothing else.

To stand and just watch as the enemy sets fire to the neighboring hut, from where the fire will inevitably spread to your roof, this is the worst of the options. Ukraine was lost ineptly. Events in Belarus in 2020 showed that some conclusions were drawn. The Kremlin expressed direct support for Minsk and its readiness to send its security forces to help it. As a result, Belomaidan failed. In Kazakhstan, our opponents took into account their previous mistakes and instead of months of peaceful festivities, they immediately switched to active hostilities. The prompt dispatch of a military contingent through the CSTO was the only right decision for Russia in this situation.

The loss of Kazakhstan would be an irreparable blow to the defense capability of our entire country. Just imagine how the entire air defense / missile defense system would have to be rebuilt if American nuclear and hypersonic missiles, as well as strategic bombers of the US Air Force, appeared in the Russian southern underbelly.

Can't leave you stay?


The key question is what will happen next when the constitutional order in Kazakhstan is restored. If the introduction of Russian troops was the right decision, then their hasty withdrawal would already be a strategic mistake.

The fact is that socialeconomic the problems that have become a breeding ground for the "Maidan" sentiments have not disappeared. Kazakhstan is rich in oil, gas and uranium, but its society is very seriously differentiated by property, plus the remnants of the tribal system are reflected. A real "atomic bomb" for the stability of the country was planted by the local authorities themselves when they began to conduct policies "Soft" ethnic cleansing. As you know, the northern regions of Kazakhstan were not so long ago Russian, there historically the Russian population prevailed, peacefully coexisting with the Russified ethnic Kazakhs, who even not everyone knows the Kazakh language.

The transition from the Cyrillic to the Latin alphabet, the gradual but steady pressure on the Russian language, the transfer of the capital to the north of the country, where all the political and business elites moved, led to an outflow of Kazakh Russians to Russia. The numbers speak for themselves: according to the 1989 census, there were 6,2 million of them in Kazakhstan, and by 2021 - less than 3,5 million. At the same time, the country is very clearly divided into North and South Kazakhstan, where the latter is dominated by ethnic Kazakhs living in rural areas, who do not greatly favor Russians and their language. The parallels with Ukraine and its division into Western and Eastern parts suggest themselves. With all the ensuing consequences for the Russians of Northern Kazakhstan in the event the pro-Western opposition comes to power.

Adds problems and political instability. Under the guise of fighting street riots in Kazakhstan, a de facto coup also took place. Seemingly "quiet" President Tokayev skillfully removed the clan of the first President Nazarbayev from all levers of control. Elbasy is still silent, but it is unlikely that such radical changes will take place for Kazakhstan with its tribal system without consequences. Tokayev's appeal to the CSTO for help only shows his weakness and inability to independently ensure order in the country. By the way, it is quite remarkable that information appeared about the possibility of the appearance of a permanent Russian military base at Baikonur. Apparently, the local elites are in dire need of a strong external arbiter, in the role of which Moscow can act.

Conclusions


The foregoing gives us grounds to conclude that the withdrawal of troops after the completion of the peacekeeping operation will be a strategic mistake for the Kremlin. In any case, Russian soldiers will be labeled as invaders and invaders. President Tokayev has dissolved parliament and intends to hold early elections. Obviously, after the current events, people with radical Russophobic views may come to it, who will act out the agenda of the need to fight them. The pressure on ethnic Russians in northern Kazakhstan will intensify, which could eventually lead to a "Donbass scenario." This cannot be allowed.

Now Moscow has the right to demand from Nur-Sultan not only a military base at Baikonur, but also a number of important political reforms. To protect the rights of millions of our compatriots in Northern Kazakhstan, the Russian language should receive the status of the second state language, it is necessary to cancel the translation of the written language from Cyrillic into Latin. The policy of the so-called "soft Russophobia" must end. American and Turkish NGOs are all on the way out. Otherwise, a relapse of the Maidan after a while is inevitable, and then Kazakhstan may lose its northern territories, and Russia will receive a second "Ukraine" on the southern border.

To avoid this, Russia should stay in Kazakhstan and deepen the process of its reintegration. Regardless of someone's wishes, disagreement and indignation.
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  1. Crunch Offline Crunch
    Crunch (Crunch) 7 January 2022 12: 51
    +8
    Losing Kazakhstan is to start falling apart ourselves. It will be a disaster in Ukraine, It will be the end of conversations (even) about a union state with Belarus, it will be a disaster with national structures within Russia. This will no longer mean defeat from NATO and the United States, it will mean defeat from Turkey with its pan-Turkism. I am convinced that everything will be done to prevent this from happening. And this will be done not by us, but by the Kazakh authorities themselves. To do this, they need to be brought to that edge of the abyss. where they ALMOST ended up, and carefully explain what will happen to them, show they slowness and indecision. Even at the cost of his own delay in emergency assistance. Let the extremists cut them down a little. So, just a little. And the Kyrgyz have already brought in their own contingent. They imagined that if they did not make such a demonstration of unity today, then tomorrow they would be alone in the same situation.
    1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 7 January 2022 19: 15
      -4
      For 30 years they have not tried to equip the border with Kazakhstan, even elementary. Even with airborne BLA control, only in the daytime. 3000 airborne troops (light infantry) with a rifleman, with BMDeshki burning like candles, this is nothing against a slightly organized enemy in the form of medium-sized gangs. For example, Afghanistan, Chechnya. Moreover, another confession. Kyrgyz and Armenian units will only harm.
  2. Anchonsha Offline Anchonsha
    Anchonsha (Anchonsha) 7 January 2022 12: 55
    +1
    Estessno the author in his conclusions is right about Kazakhstan. Tokayev's dual power from Elbasy showed all the political instability of multinational and multidirectional Kazakhstan. After all, Kazakhstan, like all Central Asian countries, before the USSR did not have their own statehood, and therefore there are no political cadres to retain power. In Kazakhstan, there is still tribal confusion and vacillation, which allows bribing the bureaucracy by the Western "masters of the world." And if you do not take measures, even measures of coercion, then soon the whole of Central Asia will be under the protectorate of the United States., Despite their apparent political and economic instability
  3. beeper Offline beeper
    beeper 7 January 2022 14: 11
    +8
    Washington needed a strategic foothold in Kazakhstan (as before, in Ukraine and Belarus).
    The forced flight of the Americans from Afghanistan, the "gravity" with China and the intransigence of the post-Soviet Asian "independent limitrophes" in providing their territories for Yankee military bases gave particular acuteness and urgency to this "acquisition" of the Central Asian post-Soviet amerocolony.
    The Washingtonians did not succeed (as in a similar case, with the "multi-vector" Belarus in 2020) to completely get their hands on the "multi-vector" Kazakhstan "in an amicable way", quietly, through the actions of more and more openly Russophobic pro-American compradors in power.
    Therefore, they tried "in a bad way", using their own armed militants under the guise of a marginal "peaceful crowd" ...
    I agree with the respected Author of the Article, Sergei Marzhetskiy, that the American special services took into account their recent failure with the "Belomaidan" and immediately proceeded to an armed seizure of power in Kazakhstan, without wasting time on "promoting" in the "universal" media "a beautiful picture of the" supposedly "common people peaceful protests "and" anti-democratic oppression of the totalitarian authorities "(as they" showed "about the" colored "Maidan coups in Ukraine and Belarus, accusing the" multi-vector "Russophobic Westerners" of the old, komrenegatskaya, formation "Yanyka and Luka in the alleged" dictatorial tyranny "in relation to" peaceful demonstrators "- unbridled Maidan extremists disguising themselves as" people "and hiding behind their sympathetic onlookers-Maidauns, the first candidates for the" Hundred Hundreds "- to be shot by" unknown snipers ", indispensable participants in anti-state conspiracies inspired by the malicious Fashin) ...
    And incitement of interethnic hatred, natsrusophobia and persecution of local Russians in Kazakhstan (as well as in other "national republics" and "national autonomies", and only in Ukraine and Belarus did the "national regimes" hide their Russophobia for the time being, acted silently for a long time!) began even under the rule of a vile anti-national gang formed by the anti-communist and henpecked Michael Gorby with his "mistress" and associates!
    In the last decades, the terrifying Russophobia in Kazakhstan was no longer hiding - it was fighting with might and main!
    I have spoken and written more than once, I will repeat it now

    Russophobia, in all its manifestations, is a priori destructive on the Russian land, because The Russian People and our native Russian Language are the Creative Skrepa of all our vast Multinational Russian Civilization!

    Whoever does not understand this Fact or denies it (by his own stupidity or biased), will inevitably fail and find himself on the outskirts of the world Human Civilization, as well as its History (there are many examples of this in the past and in the present!)!
    1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 7 January 2022 19: 16
      -1
      The State Department worked on the Kazakh bridgehead for a long time and painstakingly, with Turkey as an assistant.
      1. beeper Offline beeper
        beeper 7 January 2022 20: 28
        +3
        Quote: gunnerminer
        The State Department worked on the Kazakh bridgehead for a long time and painstakingly, with Turkey as an assistant.

        hi I think that not only the arrogant and the Turks "worked for a long time and painstakingly" there, but also the Chinese "partners" too, for many decades (in their "traditional style") successfully "spud" the Kazakhstani bridgehead, alas ...
        After all, as he warned, back in the middle of the last century, our Soviet poet Vasily Fedorov

        All having experienced
        We know ourselves
        What are the days of mental attacks
        Hearts not occupied by us
        Without delay, their enemy will take
        It takes, reducing all the same scores,
        Will take, zayadet,
        We are razy ...
        Hearts!
        Yes, this is the height
        Which cannot be given away!


        Even in our youth, in classes on tactics of combined arms combat, our combat veterans taught us, future tank commanders, not only the offensive, rounds and coverage, but also that even the defense must be active, keeping the enemy in constant tension and NOT allowing him to confidently "work" even in his own rear!
        1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
          gunnerminer (gunner miner) 7 January 2022 20: 53
          -3
          The CPC Central Committee worked with the Uyghur youth, first of all, and then with many top local officials who received higher education in the PRC. Tokayev is a sinologist. For a long time he was on a business trip to the PRC. Karim Massimov speaks fluent Chinese. And there are a lot of them, especially among the elders of the senior zhuz. And here we got into this pack with just a regiment of light infantry (Airborne Forces). It looks like the Pashkino-Kvashnin assault on a settlement in the North Caucasus by an airborne regiment in two hours ... This trap was prepared for a long time, painstakingly, comprehensively.
  4. Bakht Offline Bakht
    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 7 January 2022 14: 14
    -3
    President Tokayev has dissolved parliament and intends to hold early elections.

    There is an opinion that the Constitution will be rewritten in Kazakhstan, the powers of the Parliament will be strengthened and Kazakhstan will become a parliamentary republic. The conclusion from this opinion is that the situation will worsen. A parliamentary republic at the stage of crisis is the worst that can be assumed.

    Russia should stay in Kazakhstan and deepen the process of its reintegration. Regardless of someone's wishes, disagreement and indignation.

    Any comparison has a weakness. It lies in the fact that there are no identical situations and cannot be.
    In Ukraine, the president was blown away and no one supported him. Including the East
    In Belarus, the president took a submachine gun (even if it was window dressing) and began a sweep on his own. Yes, there was help from Russia. But he did not even stutter about the CSTO. And he had the support of the security forces.
    In Kazakhstan, the president merged (at least he didn't run away). The siloviki were blown away too. And the president immediately asked for the protection of the CSTO. Most likely, he will not stutter about integration.
    The common thing for all three cases is that none of the rulers (Ukraine, Belarus, Kazakhstan) even think about close integration (I do not quite understand the word "reintegration"). They just want to continue to sell their resources, and hang the costs on a neighbor.
    I said there are no optimal moves. Any takeover (let's call it integration. Reintegration will cause a storm of indignation in these very states) will cause a flurry of accusations of expansion, seizure and other delights.
    Therefore, the first thing that needs to be done is to restore order or the appearance of order, then withdraw the troops (the conversation in the CSTO is about one month) and look at the development of events.
    Kozma Prutkov said "Look at the root".

    PS The importance of Kazakhstan is its geographical position and the longest border with the Russian Federation. Its reserves of oil, gas and uranium... And Baikonur.
    1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 7 January 2022 20: 53
      -3
      A constitution without reliable enforcers is a bluff.
  5. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
    steelmaker 7 January 2022 14: 17
    +6
    the withdrawal of troops after the end of the peacekeeping operation would be a strategic mistake for the Kremlin.

    I think so too. Now you can't leave, at all.
  6. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
    Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 7 January 2022 17: 26
    +3
    You can't leave. The States themselves are helping us to strengthen relations with Kazakhstan.
    There were reports of proposals from Kazakhstan to create a permanent Russian military base there.
    A timely, correct and full-fledged answer allows you to turn a "minus" into a "plus" and, taking this opportunity, to promote common interests.
    This is the way to act
    1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 7 January 2022 19: 17
      -5
      The trap slammed shut, and if we want to leave, they won't let us out.
  7. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
    gunnerminer (gunner miner) 7 January 2022 19: 10
    -5
    The withdrawal will not take place soon. As in the former SAR. There, the corrupt CAA and the state administration do not allow mobilization, due to clannishness, including the presence of the Iranian shield-gathering infantry facilitates the fate of the Khmeimim astronauts. Albeit undereducated. And in Kazakhstan there are no Iranians or Hezbollons. The territory is huge. For 30 years, the population has been completely and radically turned against Russia, and against Russian speakers.
  8. Volga073 Offline Volga073
    Volga073 (MIKLE) 7 January 2022 19: 48
    +2
    Good article, wise!
  9. alexey alexeyev_2 (Alexey Alekseev) 7 January 2022 19: 52
    +4
    Here is Mr. Marzhetskiy .. I hear the speech not of a boy, but of a husband. As a not sickly piece of life in Aktyubinsk, who lived in Kazakhstan, I completely agree with you. In Kazakhstan, we must stay forever. Firmly. That would not have to arrange the Kazakh Novorossia.
    1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 7 January 2022 20: 58
      -4
      Then at least another military reform will have to be carried out. Taking into account the rapidly decreasing Russian mobilization resource. The Airborne Regiment is clearly not enough to control the furnishings. And it will be necessary to move representatives of a non-titular nation to Russia. Do not assign a paratrooper to every family.
      1. alexey alexeyev_2 (Alexey Alekseev) 8 January 2022 04: 34
        0
        Yes, no reform will be needed. Wagner will help soldier
        1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
          gunnerminer (gunner miner) 8 January 2022 10: 10
          -8
          If I could, I would help. There won't be enough light infantry (Airborne Forces) on the Kazakhstani bridgehead.
          Wagner missed Donbass, missed Kazakhstan.
          1. alexey alexeyev_2 (Alexey Alekseev) 8 January 2022 16: 15
            +1
            Be Spock! For Wagner, shots are baked like cakes ... For example, in Tver, air defense personnel are being prepared. They are not childish. They come out very savvy. And as for missing out, this is an insult to you. I can understand - I can drive through a quarter of Ukraine without any hope of returning ... there is anyone slate from the roof will fall. laughing
            1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
              gunnerminer (gunner miner) 8 January 2022 17: 35
              -8
              The cadres are the scum of society. The servicemen of the rank and file and sergeants who were expelled for non-compliance with the contract, the same people from law enforcement agencies, who were unable to arrange life in civilian life. Watchmen, valet workers, stall and sauna keepers. In the former SAR, in the arms of the Iranian infantry.
              1. alexey alexeyev_2 (Alexey Alekseev) 8 January 2022 17: 40
                +1
                Well, actually, the garbage is your vsechniki. and other virtuous fellows And these guys are professionals. In Africa it's their turn ..
                1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                  gunnerminer (gunner miner) 8 January 2022 17: 48
                  -7
                  "Professionals" who did not show any results. In the former SAR, even the Khmeimimites refused to cover them near the oil fields. Passively watched as American flying robots rained bombs on them.
                  1. alexey alexeyev_2 (Alexey Alekseev) 9 January 2022 06: 58
                    +1
                    You are confusing a Chinese aircraft carrier with a finger. Beside Wagner there are also other PMCs. They are engaged in the protection of these very oil fields. They are related to the Ministry of Defense insofar as. The greed of their owners led to this result. By the way, most of these very victims are citizens. Ukraine is your fellow countrymen. Debaltsevsky Izvarinsky boilers. The storming of Palmyra. The Syrians later surrendered it. Bayraktaropad in Libya. Almost the entire oil industry of Libya is under their control. The war in Libya has become sluggish. There is no money to fight. Central Africa Mozambique Madagascar Mali .. Sudan is on its way. So you shouldn't quote the word professional bully
                    1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 9 January 2022 11: 30
                      -5
                      The same scum of society as the Wagners. Soldiers recruited for the occasion. With the issuance of a funeral allowance. And not a penny for the treatment of the consequences of business trips.
                      1. alexey alexeyev_2 (Alexey Alekseev) 9 January 2022 12: 41
                        +1
                        Yours is not true. For example, I know for sure in the Khimki hospital they are undergoing treatment and rehabilitation. Yes, and go to Wagner on the occasion is unlikely to succeed. Cruel selection. Crime does not go away immediately. Even a hooligan in her youth. Light up-walk Polygraph. Health-iron. Even a small caries is not welcome Half a month of brutal training. Recently, they began to show interest in educated. Send to study Do not believe it, try it yourself belay
                      2. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                        gunnerminer (gunner miner) 9 January 2022 13: 05
                        -7
                        Mercenaries do not have the right to receive medical assistance in medical institutions of the Russian Ministry of Defense, where they examine pension certificates under a magnifying glass at the pensioners, check the service life, the article on which was fired. The criminal element is accepted, only on the way. Those who regularly use surrogate alcohol, tobacco and drugs cannot have iron health, as well as those who are malnourished and wear trashy clothes. The educated motivated will not stoop to recruiting in such a dubious office. Earn money in IT, couriers, taxi drivers. What a cretin will spend on training one-time cannon fodder!
                      3. alexey alexeyev_2 (Alexey Alekseev) 9 January 2022 15: 08
                        +1
                        Philosophers verbolyut The criterion of truth is practice. I tell you Do not believe try it yourself.
                      4. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                        gunnerminer (gunner miner) 9 January 2022 16: 33
                        -7
                        Believe it in a mosque, or in a church. Such fables do not delight even pre-conscripts from the slums of Dushanbe.
                    2. alexey alexeyev_2 (Alexey Alekseev) 9 January 2022 15: 11
                      +1
                      In pursuit of the previous one, by the way, the Wagnerites are awarded government awards. I also met the Heroes of Russia, who were awarded the Medal of Courage
                    3. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 9 January 2022 16: 34
                      -7
                      Lie in moderation. Reward those who recruit these dregs of society.
                    4. alexey alexeyev_2 (Alexey Alekseev) 9 January 2022 17: 14
                      +1
                      ALL!! Go away. zaets.For courage, the most soldier's award ,,.
                    5. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 9 January 2022 17: 16
                      -6
                      Prepare carefully for the topic of discussion. I recommend that you position yourself as a commando. laughing The theme is eternal, many people bite. yes
  • steelmaker Offline steelmaker
    steelmaker 8 January 2022 16: 35
    -1
    The airborne regiment is clearly small

    To be honest, I always support you 90%. But here ..... you better not get into politics and the army. Do you have any idea what the special forces of the Airborne Forces are? If we were trained to knock out with one blow, then they are trained to kill immediately! There is one platoon man standing there. And a regiment was sent there !!!! It's a scary killing machine. Remind me of the Pskov paratroopers? Mortars, grenade launchers and 5x superiority. And they took it! And here is the city! Break into 3-5 and the city will be cleaned up once or twice. It all depends on the goal. The main thing is not to be betrayed and framed, as in Grozny!
    1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 8 January 2022 17: 40
      -9
      All special forces have weak points. They can act only in a specific separate place. In a short period of time. Covertly. Something like submariners. As soon as they lose their secrecy, then they are finished. Waving their arms and legs is not the main quality of the special forces. Its main organ is the head. You do not distinguish between the special forces and the landing. The Airborne Forces and the Special Forces did not show themselves very well in the North Caucasus.
  • Crunch Offline Crunch
    Crunch (Crunch) 7 January 2022 21: 14
    +3
    Quote: gunnerminer
    Kyrgyz and Armenian units will only harm.

    I disagree. Their political presence is needed. This somewhat justifies our presence, it ties up responsibility for a piece of territory, this makes the CSTO not cardboard. What have they, as allies, already done? For now, they just shit. So, let them work it out, it is quite possible that they may need the same help very soon.
    1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 7 January 2022 22: 38
      -7
      Our presence will not justify the presence of these half-educated people. They are not able to defend even their Bantustans. Not to mention the huge Kazakhstan. The Kyrgyz will not dare to interfere anywhere. Kazakhs do not consider Tajiks as equals, they treat Tajik migrant workers harshly. ODKB is cardboard. Russian bayonets. And once again the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Russia, SVR. As with the events in Belarus, Ukraine, in the former SAR, in Karabakh.
  • Crunch Offline Crunch
    Crunch (Crunch) 7 January 2022 23: 05
    +2
    Quote: gunnerminer
    Our presence will not justify the presence of these half-educated people. They are not able to defend even their Bantustans. Not to mention the huge Kazakhstan. The Kyrgyz will not dare to interfere anywhere. Kazakhs do not consider Tajiks as equals, they treat Tajik migrant workers harshly. ODKB is cardboard. Russian bayonets. And once again the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Russia, SVR. As with the events in Belarus, Ukraine, in the former SAR, in Karabakh.

    To draw an analogy with Afghanistan, where even the Poles, who are not formally included in NATO, rushed to, in order to show the godfather that they were in solidarity with him? Participation of the same Poles in the "Desert Storm" war? How was the help essential? Yes, stupidity, of course. Political squeak. Exactly the same thing is needed here, in Kazakhstan. After that, the Kyrgyz themselves will have the formal right to ask for help, if they have the same, maybe tomorrow. Is it hard to think? Then why are you here?
    1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 8 January 2022 00: 26
      -5
      As in Afghanistan, we will not succeed. No one is planning to throw themselves at us as accomplices. The PMR, Karabakh, the former SAR, Abkhazia, is too much for the small Ground Forces of Russia. Not only Poles participated in the Coalition. Armenians were recently squeezed. Kyrgyzstan exists on Russian handouts, the same criminal Tajikistan. They are more burden, with smaller armed forces than assistants.
      The Kyrgyz revolutions are continuous. And nobody helped them. Some thieves change others in Bishkek.
  • Crunch Offline Crunch
    Crunch (Crunch) 8 January 2022 09: 39
    +2
    Quote: gunnerminer
    Some thieves change others in Bishkek.

    You would have put things in order in your immortal. Not with you a Kalash row to drag. And let them decide for themselves which thief to put. Especially. what an example is.
    1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 8 January 2022 10: 12
      -6
      In Kazakhstan, it will be by Ukrainian, by Kyrgyz standards, and by their own stock. Some thieves will be replaced by more qualified thieves. No other personnel have been trained for 30 years.
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  • Vladest Offline Vladest
    Vladest (Vladimir) 8 January 2022 12: 44
    -4
    Here the point is in the difference 200 x what to return home?
    1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 8 January 2022 17: 49
      -8
      We didn’t go there to pick strawberries. The contract was signed.
      1. Vladest Offline Vladest
        Vladest (Vladimir) 8 January 2022 20: 19
        -3
        When a person goes to the army, it’s like to defend the Motherland, and not to kill people who have thieves' power across their throats. All Nazarbayev's relatives there took over the entire business. His daughter and son-in-law each have three billion.
        1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
          gunnerminer (gunner miner) 9 January 2022 11: 39
          -6
          I am glad for the Nazarbayev clan. A man comes out to join the army to help some of the world-eaters to plunder other world-eaters. tongue
  • Vlad Nemtsev Offline Vlad Nemtsev
    Vlad Nemtsev (Vlad Nemtsev) 8 January 2022 21: 40
    0
    You don't even need to go to grandma. Kazakhstan will not object if China has an additional Uyghur (not autonomous) district No. 2, on the territory leased to it, on a long-term basis. China will not even object to the conditions, the impossibility of reaching the shores of the Caspian, without coordinating the route with the administration of the "Central Kazakh" region of Russia. Still, "One Belt-One Road" is better than a dangerous and crooked road to the European hungry, slowly waking up from the cold aborigines. Gifts from the "October Revolution" must be returned immediately, and at the same time, the interests of territories gravitating towards proximity to China must be taken into account. Then Russia will no longer have a threat like "KNIFE IN THE BACK"
  • shiva Offline shiva
    shiva (Ivan) 8 January 2022 22: 51
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    Dear Marzhetsky! I jokingly - probably, after reading you, Secretary of State Blinken blurted out - they say if the Russians came, it would be difficult for them to leave ...
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    Bahadur (Stanislas) 9 January 2022 21: 04
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    Dear Marzhetsky! I jokingly - probably, after reading you, Secretary of State Blinken blurted out - they say if the Russians came, it would be difficult for them to leave ...

    Dear Shiva, have you seen our answer for the Yankees?