Kazakhstan will have to choose whether it is with Russia or against it


The year 2022 immediately began very uneasy. In neighboring, still friendly Kazakhstan massive actions broke out protest, from economic demands quickly turned to political. What threats does the hypothetical "Kazakhstani Maidan" pose for Russia, and what conclusions should the Kremlin make following the events in Belarus and Kazakhstan?


The formal reason for the start of large-scale protests was a multiple increase in prices for liquefied gas in Kazakhstan: from 50-60 tenge per liter to 120 tenge. Taking into account the fact that the minimum wage in the country is about 60 thousand tenge, this was the hardest blow for the majority of the population. An increase in the cost of fuel will automatically entail a rise in the cost of food and other consumer goods. In just a few days, protests captured the most important cities of Kazakhstan. The question is, how did this become possible in a country producing oil and gas?

The answer lies in the area of ​​the so-called "liberal reforms". On January 1, 2022, gas began to be sold through an electronic exchange, and "the market decided everything." Berdibek Kartbaev, head of the energy and housing and communal services department of the Mangistau region, lucidly explained:

Today, liquefied gas on electronic trading platforms is sold at a maximum price of 85 tenge per liter, excluding the operating costs of entrepreneurs. In general, prices will be formed by the market itself in accordance with supply and demand.

It is not yet entirely clear whether the matter was in the banal greed of entrepreneurs, or in the stupidity of state officials who did not calculate the possible consequences of the "reform", or if it was all done deliberately. If fuel prices rose gradually, everyone would grumble, but tolerate. However, their one-time multiple increase "pulled the pin out of the grenade." The fact that the issue from the socio-economic quickly moved to political channel, some factors may indicate.

At firstAmong the most ardent opponents of price increases, activists of the organization with the telling name "Halyk Maidany" were noticed. The right-wing Democratic Choice of Kazakhstan party, whose leader is hiding in France from accusations of embezzlement of budget funds and contract murder at home, is trying to coordinate anti-government protests.

Secondly, the demands of the protesters, the list of which is only growing, are very indicative. Among them are not only a decrease in prices for gas, food, interest on mortgages, the abolition of the law on the control of mobile transfers, but also the demand for Nazarbayev's departure, early presidential and parliamentary elections, and the liberalization of party legislation.

In fact, a complete set is already ready for the next "color revolution" in the post-Soviet space. In just a few days, the protesters forced the authorities to reduce gas prices and dissolve the country's government. But the crowd doesn't disperse. The success only inspired people to new victories. What can all this ultimately lead to?

Inevitably, you will have to draw some parallels between the events in Kazakhstan and Belarus with what is possible in Russia in 2024.

"Transit of Power"


First of all, it is necessary to honestly say that all these "color revolutions" are not taking place from scratch. Western intelligence services simply use the already existing socio-economic and political problems in the countries of the post-Soviet space, created either by the greed or the stupidity of the local ruling elites, in order to "demolish" them under the most plausible pretext. An example with a multiple increase in gas prices "under the herringbone" is a clear confirmation of this.

Such permissiveness is a direct consequence of the actual irreplaceability of the supreme power. When there is no likelihood that as a result of a fair general election another team will come, which will audit the activities of the predecessors and ask them for their results, you will inevitably become “bronzed”. Ultimately, this leads to the fact that tired people are ready to vote for anyone, if only not for the irreplaceable "national leader".
Let's remember what happened in friendly Belarus in 2020. And now, to all appearances, Vladimir Putin is preparing to jump on the same rake, if, of course, he is correct informationthat he will use "zeroing" in 2024.

Note that the most reasonable example looks like President Nazarbayev. In 2019, Nursultan Abishevich voluntarily resigned, leaving the country to his successor, the new President Kassym-Jomart Tokayev. No helicopter escapes, burning tires, or riot police dispersing protesters. Now Nazarbayev is a lifelong "leader of the nation", retaining influence on all political processes, and all the bigwigs fly to Tokayev and his government.

Undoubtedly, having left on time and beautifully, Nursultan Abishevich showed himself to be a very intelligent and far-sighted person. Now President Lukashenko is trying to do something similar by creating the All-Belarusian People's Assembly, which he will be able to chair after the expiration of his term of office. Perhaps it is worth drawing some conclusions from the Belarusian and Kazakh history in the Kremlin too?

What's next?


The second question is how to build further relations with Kazakhstan for Moscow. Regardless of whether the "gas Maidan" wins there or not, they will definitely not be the same. It should be understood that the countries in the post-Soviet space have only two options to choose from: either they are with Russia or against Russia.

If a pro-Western opposition comes to power in Nur-Sultan, we will get Ukraine-2 in our southern underbelly. Americans, British and Turks will come to Kazakhstan, and the problem with the Russian national minority in Northern Kazakhstan will immediately become aggravated. This can lead, if not to the "Crimean", then, rather, to the "Donbass" scenario with the emergence of another unrecognized "people's republic" and another war in the Russian border area. Neither Moscow nor Nur-Sultan needs such a thing.

The only sane alternative is a closer rapprochement between Kazakhstan and Russia, economic, military and political. This can be a variant of a confederation or even a "soft federation" in the trilateral format of the Union State with Belarus, about which we are in detail reasoned previously. Kazakhstan will no longer be allowed to remain neutral, and it will have to choose whether it is with Russia or against Russia.
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  1. ALEXANDER VILYANY (ALEXANDER VILYANY) 5 January 2022 11: 08
    +3
    I want to note the ears of Turkey ....... The main slogans "in the crowd" are nationalist
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 5 January 2022 11: 12
      +2
      Erdogan keeps building his Great Turan ...
      1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
        gunnerminer (gunner miner) 5 January 2022 11: 43
        -11
        And successfully.
        1. isofat Offline isofat
          isofat (isofat) 5 January 2022 21: 54
          +1
          Not true! These are Elon Musk's ears, as I'm telling you. He needs to fly to the moon, but there is no ship. So I decided to look at Baikonur.
    2. Art Pilot Offline Art Pilot
      Art Pilot (pilot) 5 January 2022 22: 58
      0
      In general, the Turks at the official level supported the existing government and the security forces separately. It's on the net.
  2. Bakht Offline Bakht
    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 5 January 2022 11: 19
    +5
    Tokayev addressed the people for some reason in Russian ...
    Initially, the protests were in regions with a Russian population. And only then they spread to the whole country.
    1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 5 January 2022 11: 43
      -13
      Nazarbayev also speaks in Russian, while the National Fund keeps money in the United States. He is the senior, not Tokayev.
      1. zenion Offline zenion
        zenion (zinovy) 6 January 2022 17: 25
        0
        And Russia keeps its money in Kazakhstan. There are also a few in Russia, those that have not yet been exported. It is precisely for the same reason that in Kazakhstan the Russian brothers do not trust the people they rob, and what if the people will be offended!
    2. Pandiurin Offline Pandiurin
      Pandiurin (Pandiurin) 5 January 2022 12: 45
      +2
      Quote: Bakht
      Tokayev addressed the people for some reason in Russian ...
      Initially, the protests were in regions with a Russian population. And only then they spread to the whole country.

      There are no regions with a Russian population; in any case, they are mixed and Russians are in the minority.
      Maybe it’s just where there are a little more Russian speakers, respectively, all kinds of nationalist Kazakh groups are more organized and more heavily financed.

      The Kazakh Natsiks were the first to speak, as already organized groups and having control centers from Turkey (Britain), NGOs (Soros), etc.

      In Kazakhstan, they are now trying to block social networks, a protest clearly organized from outside.
      It seems like they decided to return the prices back, but the people are indignant ...
      1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
        Marzhecki (Sergei) 5 January 2022 12: 46
        +2
        There are no regions with a Russian population; in any case, they are mixed and Russians are in the minority.
        Maybe it’s just where there are a little more Russian speakers, respectively, all kinds of nationalist Kazakh groups are more organized and more heavily financed.

        Northern Kazakhstan - these are Russians and Russified Kazakhs who do not even know the Kazakh language
        1. goncharov.62 Offline goncharov.62
          goncharov.62 (Andrei) 5 January 2022 17: 27
          0
          And the East Kazakhstan region - along the Irtysh? U-Ka, Semsk, Pavlodar ...
      2. Bakht Offline Bakht
        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 5 January 2022 13: 00
        +3
        The last straw must always be remembered. A social explosion can happen over the smallest trifle. The Arab Spring kicked off with an overturned greens cart from a street vendor. The cost of the entire cart was hardly more than $ 10. And the rulers flew off and several states were destroyed.
        1. Rusa Offline Rusa
          Rusa 5 January 2022 18: 34
          -1
          The last straw must always be remembered. A social explosion can happen over the smallest trifle ...

          Right. It is good that the authorities of the Russian Federation always remember this, draw conclusions from the events taking place, including in Kazakhstan.
          1. andyru1 Offline andyru1
            andyru1 (Andrew ) 6 January 2022 13: 04
            +1
            if I were you, I would do my best to hold on to the authorities of the Russian Federation.
            1. Rusa Offline Rusa
              Rusa 7 January 2022 19: 45
              0
              It is better to let each of us be in his place and hold on to what he considers necessary in his life.
    3. 123 Offline 123
      123 (123) 5 January 2022 18: 15
      +4
      Tokayev addressed the people for some reason in Russian ...
      Initially, the protests were in regions with a Russian population. And only then they spread to the whole country.

      Speaks in a language that everyone understands. Maydanutye and those "Eastern Ukrainian" talk.

      Initially, the protests were in regions with a Russian population. And only then they spread to the whole country.

      What does the Russian population have to do with it? Search for the extreme or what? And here the Russians are to blame? Putin Petrov with Bashirov sent separatism to inflate? There they are all "Ryazan" faces, demolishing the monument to the Elbasy. Take off anyone's hat, there will be a forelock. According to the Maidan scenario, the Kazakh authorities are as stupid as the Ukrainian ones. These jackals themselves were raised, now they are being shoveled.

      1. Bakht Offline Bakht
        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 5 January 2022 18: 20
        +2
        There is no "extreme search". There are economic problems. I have little faith in inspiration from abroad. In any country there is opposition, but it somehow did not manifest itself very much in Kazakhstan. Rulers need to remember that people can take them down when they press down. First, the monument, then they will go to the individual. Or, on the contrary, it is already irrelevant.
        As Comrade Roosevelt (who is Franklin) said after the global crisis of the 30s to his friends-capitalists, “we need to share. Otherwise, I could become the last president of the United States.”
        1. 123 Offline 123
          123 (123) 5 January 2022 18: 52
          +4
          There is no "extreme search". There are economic problems.

          Then what does the Russian population have to do with it? Are they the only ones with economic problems?

          I have little faith in inspiration from abroad.

          And absolutely in vain. They are similar to the post-Soviet space and not only like twins. It doesn't work that way.

          Rulers need to remember that people can take them down when they press down. First, the monument, then they will go to the individual. Or, on the contrary, it is already irrelevant.

          Demolition is practically impossible without serious organization and coordination. Nothing happens spontaneously and disorganized.

          As Comrade Roosevelt (who is Franklin) said after the global crisis of the 30s to his friends-capitalists, “we need to share. Otherwise, I could become the last president of the United States.”

          Some "capitalist friends" did not share with other "capitalist friends", and they are unhappy. The shepherds that burn traffic lights and demolish monuments will not get anything in the end. It always happens that way.
          1. Bakht Offline Bakht
            Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 5 January 2022 20: 31
            +2
            Western Kazakhstan was semi-Russian. I worked for many years in Shevchenko (Aktau) and Mangyshlak. But that was back in the era of materialism. As I heard, after the era of materialism, nationalism developed strongly in those parts and there were several clashes on national grounds.
            At the moment, only riot is visible. But the situation has changed in comparison with a hundred-year history. Now the demolition of power is possible without organization. It is too early to draw conclusions.
            But for some reason it seems to me that the West will not get stronger in Kazakhstan. The West has the wrong resources. Throughout Central Asia, China's economic influence is strong. The same applies fully to Kazakhstan.
            For 2022 and the following years, Kazakhstan signed an agreement with China to increase gas supplies. Hence the surge in prices on the domestic market. But it seems that everyone has already forgotten about gas. There are demands for social reforms in all directions.
            1. 123 Offline 123
              123 (123) 5 January 2022 21: 35
              +3
              Western Kazakhstan was semi-Russian. I worked for many years in Shevchenko (Aktau) and Mangyshlak. But that was back in the era of materialism. As I heard, after the era of materialism, nationalism developed strongly in those parts and there were several clashes on national grounds.

              Probably the key word was. I could not find a normal map quickly, but in my opinion this one, though outdated, is quite indicative, for 10 years the "habitat" halo has not grown, the Russian population has no longer become there. Nationalism always comes


              https://www.raamoprusland.nl/onderzoek/scripties/1008-does-identity-building-in-nazarbayev-s-kazakhstan-mean-an-exit-from-the-russian-world

              To translate everything into the plane of Russian separatism and, in the future, a situation similar to the LPNR is very tempting for overseas "partners". In my opinion, such a development of events is unlikely, but there will be attempts. A photograph of a yurt painted in the colors of the Russian flag has already flashed somewhere at the protests.

              At the moment, only riot is visible. But the situation has changed in comparison with a hundred-year history. Now the demolition of power is possible without organization. It is too early to draw conclusions.
              But for some reason it seems to me that the West will not get stronger in Kazakhstan. The West has the wrong resources. Throughout Central Asia, China's economic influence is strong. The same applies fully to Kazakhstan.
              For 2022 and the following years, Kazakhstan signed an agreement with China to increase gas supplies. Hence the surge in prices on the domestic market. But it seems that everyone has already forgotten about gas. There are demands for social reforms in all directions.

              The demolition of power without organization is fantastic in our time. Try to dig a little deeper, for sure coordinators in social networks will immediately pop up, Ukraine, Poland, this is for sure, perhaps the Baltic states or Georgia will flash.
              The "revolutionaries" will probably not be allowed to gain a foothold there. The resources in the region are really not enough for this. Most likely they decided to use what is still more or less suitable moment. Russia in the east is hooked (Ukrainian direction), it seems like negotiations are planned. They are trying to aggravate in the southern direction.
              China will also strongly oppose it. He does not need such a viper at the border, all the more so now with energy not very much, and there, just through Alma-Ata, a pipe was laid.

              1. Bakht Offline Bakht
                Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 5 January 2022 21: 50
                +2
                There are reports that the rallies are being coordinated from Ukraine. There will certainly be external players. But it still seems to me that the main lesson that the rulers of the CIS need to learn is that no matter how much you seal the cauldron, an explosion will still occur. There will be a rise in gas prices, or another lockdown. Or a dog on the street will bite a child ...
                The reason may be negligible. The reason is the lack of prospects, especially for their children.
                1. 123 Offline 123
                  123 (123) 6 January 2022 09: 16
                  0
                  There are reports that the rallies are being coordinated from Ukraine. There will certainly be external players. But it still seems to me that the main lesson that the rulers of the CIS need to learn is that no matter how much you seal the cauldron, an explosion will still occur.

                  I agree, but does this only apply to the rulers of the CIS? Others, how are they different?

                  There will be a rise in gas prices, or another lockdown. Or a dog on the street will bite a child ...
                  The reason may be negligible. The reason is the lack of prospects, especially for their children.

                  Quite right, it is not difficult to find a reason. It is necessary to eliminate the reasons. And they are somewhat deeper than ordinary greed.
        2. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
          Ulysses (Alexey) 5 January 2022 18: 58
          +6
          There is no "extreme search". There are economic problems.

          Economic problems are not solved by revolutions.
          But the redistribution of property is easy.
    4. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
      Ulysses (Alexey) 5 January 2022 18: 50
      +3
      Initially, the protests were in regions with a Russian population. And only then they spread to the whole country.

      Initially, it was generally unclear who and what had already been forgotten were bogged down.
      The northeast, with the Russian population, does not participate much in bedlam ..

      1. Bakht Offline Bakht
        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 5 January 2022 20: 37
        0
        Kazakhstan was going to translate the alphabet into Latin, there were reports of "language patrols". And suddenly the president of the country abruptly switched to Russian. I do not mean that Russia is involved in these events. But something made Tokayev switch to Russian.
        Last message

        Against the background of unrest in Kazakhstan, a telephone conversation took place between Russian President Vladimir Putin, Belarusian leader Alexander Lukashenko and Kazakh President Kassym-Zhomart Tokayev.

        https://iz.ru/1273653/2022-01-05/putin-provel-telefonnye-peregovory-s-lukashenko-i-tokaevym
        1. Dart2027 Offline Dart2027
          Dart2027 5 January 2022 21: 11
          +1
          Quote: Bakht
          But something made Tokayev switch to Russian.

          Understanding that without Russia it will be bad for him.
          1. Bakht Offline Bakht
            Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 5 January 2022 21: 12
            +2
            It was an appeal to his people. Not to the Russian people.
            I would interpret it a little differently.
            1. Dart2027 Offline Dart2027
              Dart2027 6 January 2022 12: 43
              -1
              Quote: Bakht
              It was an appeal to his people. Not to the Russian people.

              I'm not talking about the people, but about the government.
  3. 123 Offline 123
    123 (123) 5 January 2022 11: 22
    +2
    And who are we

    will audit the activities of predecessors and ask them for their results

    Who are these auditors and what is their support among the people? Announce the entire list, please.
    Which country is the standard in this, whom to look up to?
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 5 January 2022 11: 45
      -1
      And in our country the entire political clearing has been artificially cleaned out by the authorities themselves. All sorts of unsystematic ones remain, like Navalny's gang.
      And this is even worse. But who created this situation?
      PS
      I do not like the United States, but in their system there is a regular rotation of the supreme power. True, now the Democratic Party is trying to make sure that the Republican Party has no more chances to win the presidential elections. They cheat with the electoral system.
      By the way, this could then backfire on all of them with a new Civil War, when half of the US population realizes that they have stolen the opportunity to win by legal means. hi
      1. 123 Offline 123
        123 (123) 5 January 2022 12: 26
        +8
        And in our country the entire political clearing has been artificially cleaned out by the authorities themselves. All sorts of unsystematic ones remain, like Navalny's gang.
        And this is even worse. But who created this situation?

        That is, the government itself must raise the opposition, which will take this power away from it? Are you seriously?
        Again, Putin is to blame for everything?

        I do not like the United States, but in their system there is a regular rotation of the supreme power. True, now the Democratic Party is trying to make sure that the Republican Party has no more chances to win the presidential elections. They cheat with the electoral system.
        By the way, this could then backfire on all of them with a new Civil War, when half of the US population realizes that they have stolen the opportunity to win by legal means.

        If you don’t like it, they cheat, they stole the elections, it can come back to haunt with civil war ...
        And yet, use them as an example?
        Their whole rotation is the fight of the Nanai boys.
        Biden was spitting here, they say, they were mired in corruption, he promised to turn up the last administration almost on aspens. And where is all this? Not even a landing, at least a loud resignation where?
        And you propose to adopt all this from them? Thoughts are not enough for you, do you want to produce more parasites?
        The current government can be criticized for a lot, but there are no alternatives on the horizon. Offer something really new, maybe people will reach out. So far, nothing is being voiced except to take everything away from the bourgeoisie. And even then it is more likely populism. If they take away something for themselves loved ones.
        Probably about the current government can be said in the words of Churchill

        Democracy is the worst form of government, apart from everyone else.
        1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
          Marzhecki (Sergei) 5 January 2022 12: 48
          +2

          That is, the government itself must raise the opposition, which will take this power away from it? Are you seriously?

          The authorities should not rewrite the rules of the game for each election, depriving the opposition of chances for an honest victory. This is cheating. Our Constitution says that Russia is a state governed by the rule of law.

          The current government can be criticized for a lot, but there are no alternatives on the horizon. Offer something really new, maybe people will reach out. So far, nothing is being voiced except to take everything away from the bourgeoisie. And even then it is more likely populism. If they take away something for themselves loved ones.

          This is the merit of the current government. Better than the new is only the well-forgotten old.

          Democracy is the worst form of government, apart from everyone else.

          Yes, I am not a liberal, and not a democrat. It's just that the Russian Federation today is a supposedly democratic state governed by the rule of law. So let it fit.
          1. 123 Offline 123
            123 (123) 5 January 2022 12: 51
            +3
            The authorities should not rewrite the rules of the game for each election, depriving the opposition of chances for an honest victory. This is cheating

            Who was deprived of the chance to win? Who are these amazing people from whom the victory was stolen?

            This is the merit of the current government. Better than the new is only the well-forgotten old.

            Are you proposing to return the emperor?
            1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
              Marzhecki (Sergei) 5 January 2022 12: 52
              -3

              Who was deprived of the chance to win? Who are these amazing people from whom the victory was stolen?

              The electoral legislation in the Russian Federation changed for EVERY election. Changed by the ruling party in order to maintain a constitutional majority in Parliament and be able to print any laws further.

              Are you proposing to return the emperor?

              Why go so far? For me, the USSR-2 is better.
              1. 123 Offline 123
                123 (123) 5 January 2022 13: 04
                +2
                The electoral legislation in the Russian Federation changed for EVERY election. Changed by the ruling party in order to maintain a constitutional majority in Parliament and be able to print any laws further.

                Very vague. How exactly did they change and who did it deprive the chances of winning?

                Why go so far? For me, the USSR-2 is better.

                So it's not forgotten yet. Eyewitnesses are alive and at least not all of them agree with you. For example, I don’t want to see it in the same form. Citizens entrenched in the district committees are not nearly better than the current officials. The idea of ​​again hanging on our necks any Balts and Georgians does not cause enthusiasm, as does the construction of socialism in individual regions of Africa, Latin America and further down the list at the expense of the Russian budget.
                If the past seems ideal to you, try to chew the orbit of tar next time, it may clear up in your head.
                1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
                  Marzhecki (Sergei) 5 January 2022 14: 49
                  -3
                  Sorry, but you're twisting hi And about tar, and about building socialism in Africa, and about feeding the Balts. laughing
                  I have long noticed that those who are well established in the vertical and are terribly afraid that they will be out of business under the new government are afraid of the return of the USSR. Or else where will they find themselves based on the results of an audit of their economic or bureaucratic activities wink
                  1. 123 Offline 123
                    123 (123) 5 January 2022 15: 11
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                    Sorry, but you are distorting And about tar, and about building socialism in Africa, and about feeding the Balts.

                    Do I twist? What do you think is not true? Tar? Africa? Balts?

                    I have long noticed that those who are well established in the vertical and are terribly afraid that they will be out of business under the new government are afraid of the return of the USSR. Or else where will they find themselves based on the results of an audit of their economic or bureaucratic activities

                    And I noticed for a long time that the return of the USSR is often demanded by people who know about it from the Internet, who have not been able to realize themselves or simply get through to the trough in power.
                    Can you formulate what is the USSR for you? What do you want from the new?
                  2. goncharov.62 Offline goncharov.62
                    goncharov.62 (Andrei) 5 January 2022 17: 37
                    +2
                    You're not right. And about the Balts - too. I, born in 1962, want to go to the USSR only for real beer and good vodka (for a couple of hours on the way). From everything else - work, where these people pretend to pay, and we pretend to work, hack on the side, queues in dull shops for no less dull goods ... God forbid! What is it - am I so attached?
              2. Vladimir501 Offline Vladimir501
                Vladimir501 (Vladimir) 5 January 2022 13: 54
                +1
                The one who does not regret the collapse of the USSR does not have a heart, and the one who wants its revival has NO MIND (Vladimir Putin), and in this I support him irrevocably and absolutely.
                And from me: - In the United States there is no change of power, there is a change of figures that personify it, but they are far from free in making their decisions, Republicans, Democrats and vice versa, tactics are changing, but not strategy, similar to England, Tories, Whigs, etc. everything is in place. Or is it better in Japan?
                1. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
                  steelmaker 5 January 2022 16: 36
                  -2
                  The one who does not regret the collapse of the USSR has no heart, and the one who wants its revival has NO MIND (V.V. Putin)

                  Then return to old pensioners what they have built, and leave for yourself what YOU have built in 30 years and privatize.
                  1. goncharov.62 Offline goncharov.62
                    goncharov.62 (Andrei) 5 January 2022 17: 39
                    +1
                    What part of the population will YOU stay in? The one that always whines? Probably...
                    1. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
                      steelmaker 5 January 2022 19: 38
                      -4
                      I have lived my life, but I haven’t made my mind. Tell you everything, show it and let it try.
              3. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
                Ulysses (Alexey) 5 January 2022 20: 14
                +2
                Why go so far? For me, the USSR-2 is better.

                The desire for universal prosperity in the USSR-1 was shattered by the personal interests of the Soviet people.
                As soon as the grip on driving everyone in formation weakened, the individual qualities of the homosapiens manifested themselves.
                I am not a supporter of finding fault with the USSR, my childhood, youth, youth have passed in it.
                But the late Union is not at all the country that those who believed in social equality in 1917 dreamed of.

                PS And the second civilian somehow does not inspire me at all.
                Again we will die out by several million and it is not a fact that we will leave something to our descendants ..
          2. viktortarianik Offline viktortarianik
            viktortarianik (Victor) 5 January 2022 16: 21
            0
            The Anglo-Saxons have been waging a war against Russia (formerly the USSR) for a long time. As practice has shown in the Second World War, all the so-called democratic states could not resist totalitarian Germany. And only also the totalitarian USSR was able to fight back. In emergencies, democracy is nothing. And even in the coming years, an easy life from the West is not expected for Russia.
      2. goncharov.62 Offline goncharov.62
        goncharov.62 (Andrei) 5 January 2022 17: 31
        -1
        Can you tell me the name of the potential leader of the nation? Do not offer yourself, but GDP can be seen from afar ...
      3. boriz Online boriz
        boriz (boriz) 5 January 2022 17: 40
        0
        I do not like the United States, but in their system there is a regular rotation of the supreme power.

        As a result, they have a stand-there-come-over policy. And on the world stage they look insane and inadequate.
      4. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
        Ulysses (Alexey) 5 January 2022 19: 05
        +2
        And in our country the entire political clearing has been artificially cleaned out by the authorities themselves.

        Where can you get acquainted with the pantheon with the beacons of Russian economic thought, cleansed by the authorities?
        I read the same Delyagin, deputy of the State Duma of the new convocation.

        Platoshkin?
        Excuse me, not a hero, not an economist, a populist.
      5. Adler77 Offline Adler77
        Adler77 (Denis) 5 January 2022 23: 25
        0
        Bravo! Boldly)
  4. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
    gunnerminer (gunner miner) 5 January 2022 11: 42
    -4
    The funds of the National Fund of Kazakhstan are kept in the United States. The alphabet has been translated into Latin. Children and grandchildren of officials are trained in military schools in the United States and Great Britain.
  5. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
    steelmaker 5 January 2022 12: 05
    -2
    The prime cost of propane at the plant is 57 tenge, the plant sells to private traders for 77 tenge, private traders sold for 87-98 tenge. After the new year, private traders will sharply raise prices to 120 tenge! What's the conclusion? That in Kazakhstan, in power, there are thieves and parasites. The authorities themselves do not want to work, they only want to receive money. Now imagine that along with private owners in Kazakhstan, there would be state gas stations or gas stations of the same plant. Were these unrest possible?
    The government must work and improve the well-being of the people and the country! And not to create an elite class of thieves.
    1. Bakht Offline Bakht
      Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 5 January 2022 12: 18
      +4
      If the cost price is 57 tenge, then the price of 60 tenge is clearly not the market one.
      As elsewhere and always. The people want socialism, but immediately scolds the USSR.
      Only the USSR could sell services to the population below market prices.
      1. Pandiurin Offline Pandiurin
        Pandiurin (Pandiurin) 5 January 2022 12: 35
        +2
        Quote: Bakht
        If the cost price is 57 tenge, then the price of 60 tenge is clearly not the market one.
        As elsewhere and always. The people want socialism, but immediately scolds the USSR.
        Only the USSR could sell services to the population below market prices.

        Even if the price is not market and greatly understated, which in general is the case, the government has two options:
        1. Keeping a social low price is unprofitable for the budget, but there is social profit and protectionism for your economy. Low prices for transport, heating, lower costs.
        2. Raise prices step by step to more market ones, for example, equal to the cost price or slightly higher. But this is done for a long time, with small increases of 15-25% at a time.

        To double the raise as a New Year's gift, the consequences were fairly easy to calculate.
        1. Bakht Offline Bakht
          Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 5 January 2022 13: 02
          +3
          Only a socially oriented state can keep a socially low price. Kazakhstan signed an agreement with China to increase gas supplies. To the detriment of the local market. Export, you see, is more profitable than domestic consumption.
          1. Rusa Offline Rusa
            Rusa 5 January 2022 19: 46
            0
            Export, you see, is more profitable than domestic consumption

            Almost like in Russia.
          2. Crunch Offline Crunch
            Crunch (Crunch) 5 January 2022 20: 13
            0
            Gas price in Russia for the population 6 rubles / m³, in Kazakhstan 3 rubles / m³
            Do you think it is profitable to sell this gas abroad? And remember the words of Comrade Lenin, "Politics is a concentrated expression of economics." What follows from this? BABLO first of all. And everyone else went to the toilet.
    2. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
      Ulysses (Alexey) 5 January 2022 20: 20
      0
      The prime cost of propane at the plant is 57 tenge, the plant sells to private traders for 77 tenge, private traders sold for 87-98 tenge. After the new year, private traders will sharply raise prices to 120 tenge! What's the conclusion? That in Kazakhstan, in power, there are thieves and parasites.

      In Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, private traders did not raise prices after the new year.
      What's the conclusion ??

      PS In Afghanistan, by the way, too. laughing
  6. Crunch Offline Crunch
    Crunch (Crunch) 5 January 2022 12: 36
    +1
    Quote: Marzhetsky
    Erdogan keeps building his Great Turan ...

    Maybe it's time to start building a Great Kurdistan? And to cooperate more closely with the Persians, for example, to propose the S-400? Or advocate for the unification of the nation? Kurds in Iran and Turkey?
  7. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 5 January 2022 12: 49
    +1
    Quote: Crunch
    Quote: Marzhetsky
    Erdogan keeps building his Great Turan ...

    Maybe it's time to start building a Great Kurdistan? And to cooperate more closely with the Persians, for example, to propose the S-400? Or advocate for the unification of the nation? Kurds in Iran and Turkey?

    Not bad idea
    1. Bakht Offline Bakht
      Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 5 January 2022 13: 04
      0
      Yes, the idea is "not bad". Spoil relations with Iran and Turkey. And help amers build Great Kurdistan. Brilliant political science ...
      1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
        Marzhecki (Sergei) 5 January 2022 14: 43
        -3
        Why do you think that Kurdistan will then be exactly American? smile
        We have relations with Turkey, and so soon they will go to pieces, we need an instrument of pressure on Ankara.
        With Iran, it is also not clear where it will go. It is necessary to take care in advance as an instrument of pressure on Tehran.
        So, normal political science wink It's just that not everyone is pleasant.
        1. Bakht Offline Bakht
          Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 5 January 2022 17: 20
          +2
          Kurdistan will become exactly American. It's not far to go for an example. Iraqi Kurdistan is leaning towards the West.
          If you in advance mean the deterioration of relations with Turkey and with Iran, then you are on the wrong path. You are good at successfully creating hostile states in the middle underbelly.
          Is your geopolitics really about creating "pressure on neighboring countries"? You will not achieve success on this path.
          Personally, the Kurdish question is not very clear to me. Although I myself am a bit of a Kurd. Very little. But the creation of an independent Kurdistan will overturn the entire Middle East. Over time, of course, everything will settle down. But an independent Kurdistan is an American project. And even a little Israeli.
          At one time, the USSR maintained close contacts with the Kurdish Workers' Party. And I even often heard who exactly was in charge of this direction in the KGB. But even at that time, the creation of Kurdistan was not on the agenda.

          “The Kurds thank Bush for what he did for them. And in gratitude for this, he is considered one of the greatest in the history of the United States and is called nothing less than "Mister Azadi", i.e. "Mr. Freedom" ... One of the evidence of this is that in December 2010, Iraqi Kurdistan allocated land for a memorial to the fallen Americans, where the Olive Branch of Life Memorial will be erected in memory of the lives of American soldiers lost in Iraq - wrote a few years ago by the Kurdish media.
          1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
            Marzhecki (Sergei) 5 January 2022 17: 25
            -1
            Iraqi Kurdistan is leaning towards the West.
            If you in advance mean the deterioration of relations with Turkey and with Iran, then you are on the wrong path. You are good at successfully creating hostile states in the middle underbelly.
            Is your geopolitics really about creating "pressure on neighboring countries"? You will not achieve success on this path.

            My geopolitics? Alas, I do not define Russian geopolitics smile
            But, believe me, if I determined, then I would be able to achieve my goal wink

            At one time, the USSR maintained close contacts with the Kurdish Workers' Party. And I even often heard who exactly was in charge of this direction in the KGB. But even at that time, the creation of Kurdistan was not on the agenda.

            I meant precisely the threat of the creation of Kurdistan, and not its actual creation. As a means of pressure on partners in the negotiation process.
            1. Bakht Offline Bakht
              Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 5 January 2022 17: 32
              +2
              When I am under pressure in the negotiation process, I try to put pressure on the enemy. And there are no talks about any negotiations.
              Threating negotiations is a surefire way to thwart them.
              1. boriz Online boriz
                boriz (boriz) 5 January 2022 19: 30
                0
                In a year, two USA will leave the Middle East. And if Kurdistan is created, it will be at the expense of Turkey. But it's too early now.
                And the US won't mind. They still recognize the Treaty of Sevres. Woodrow Wilson cooked it.
                1. Bakht Offline Bakht
                  Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 5 January 2022 20: 23
                  +1
                  The United States will not leave the Middle East. There are several reasons. The main thing is oil. They will leave only when oil is not needed or is not needed. And this will not happen soon.
                  Iraqi Kurdistan already exists. De facto. And they want to create it from Iranian, Iraqi and Turkish. A little Syrian and maybe Azerbaijani. But this is already the maximum.
    2. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
      Ulysses (Alexey) 5 January 2022 20: 29
      0
      Quote: Crunch
      Quote: Marzhetsky
      Erdogan keeps building his Great Turan ...

      Maybe it's time to start building a Great Kurdistan? And to cooperate more closely with the Persians, for example, to propose the S-400? Or advocate for the unification of the nation? Kurds in Iran and Turkey?

      Not bad idea

      An enduring idea.
      Kurdish leaders are corrupt at times, besides, the clannishness of the Kurdish community is known to everyone.
      They will gnaw exactly at the "education" ceremony.

      Some "nations" are still lucky to be artificially formed.
      The same Azerbaijan.

      Nothing shines for the Kurds yet ..
  8. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
    Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 5 January 2022 12: 59
    0
    Neighboring countries have long and closely watched our actions and assess the prospects for Russia's survival and preserving its role as a regional leader. In case of unsatisfactory results, their transition to the camp of our opponents is natural. It looks like a domino effect is coming.
    This is a direct result of the long-term use of "concern" as the main instrument for responding to foreign policy challenges. It is also the result of Russia's lack of geopolitical goals that are clear and understandable to our environment and itself.
  9. Mikhail L. Offline Mikhail L.
    Mikhail L. 5 January 2022 13: 11
    0
    If a pro-Western opposition comes to power in Kazakhstan, then the choice of the political vector is obvious.
    And the Russian Federation will have to come to terms with this!
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 5 January 2022 14: 45
      -1
      Or maybe you won't have to put up with it. And you have to do something. request
      1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 5 January 2022 21: 00
        -3
        And what do you propose to do? I feel that the GDP will not go for a new term. There were signs to him.
    2. boriz Online boriz
      boriz (boriz) 5 January 2022 19: 23
      0
      Did Biden speak out in support of the Kazakh Maidan?
  10. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
    gunnerminer (gunner miner) 5 January 2022 13: 15
    -6
    There are no representatives of a non-titular nation among the protesters, as if they are pleased with the new gas prices. If things go into acceleration, with acceleration, the problem of Northern Kazakhstan and the Russian population living there will be aggravated. And next to the border, the positional areas of the Strategic Missile Forces, Chelyabinsk -70. The United States is looking for a place for an Air Force base. In Kyrgyzstan, it did not work.
    1. KLV Offline KLV
      KLV (Konstantin) 5 January 2022 13: 21
      0
      ... escalate ...
      1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
        gunnerminer (gunner miner) 5 January 2022 13: 29
        -8
        Thanks. Corrected.
    2. Rusa Offline Rusa
      Rusa 5 January 2022 17: 31
      +1
      The US is looking for a site for an Air Force base. It didn't work in Kyrgyzstan

      The problem with China, which has a border with Kazakhstan and the New Silk Road, will also "escalate".
      Beijing hardly needs a US Air Force base there.
  11. Vladest Offline Vladest
    Vladest (Vladimir) 5 January 2022 13: 21
    -6
    Vladimirovich must hurry. In Balarus, he managed to help the authorities suppress the people. In Kazakhstan, it may not be in time ...
    1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 5 January 2022 13: 32
      -8
      In Kazakhstan, in case of failure, the consequences will be sad. We will have to sharply increase the military grouping at the Kazakh border. Yes, it is time for Viktor Zolotov to show his brave prowess.
    2. boriz Online boriz
      boriz (boriz) 5 January 2022 19: 20
      +3
      In Kazakhstan, it may not be in time ...

      And that will be? Will the EU introduce troops? Look at the map.
      Putin looks at what Tokayev is capable of. And Putin has nowhere to rush.
      If Tokayev does not cope, they will take the Russian regions and watch how the territory will turn into a Wild Field, and then people will crawl on their knees.
  12. Valentine Offline Valentine
    Valentine (Valentin) 5 January 2022 13: 40
    +2
    Something here reminds of the Maidan in Armenia at one point, but there was a buzz about the cost of electricity, and with the slogans "Russia is an occupier", then Pashinyan, who fiercely hates Russia, was elected head of the republic, then he was overthrown again and in the next elections he was re-elected , well, and then he asked ... N. Karabakh, after which he crawled on his knees in front of Putin, help. So the West and the United States have been "spilling" our Central Asian-Caucasian "brothers" for a long time, creating a "belt of hatred for Russia "from our former brothers. Kazakhstan is the second country in terms of the number of Russian migrants to Russia after Ukraine, and people do not run away from the good, there "developed" nationalism is already on a par with the "independent", but what is being done there now is only the beginning. And Putin tolerates them only because these republics are our security belt "-Kazakhstan, Tajikistan, Armenia, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, Belarus and the former" sister "Ukraine, they somehow cover our borders, that's why we have to to "feed" them.
  13. Jacques sekavar Offline Jacques sekavar
    Jacques sekavar (Jacques Sekavar) 5 January 2022 13: 45
    -1
    The influence of the market is that having the goods and the price difference, the owner directs the goods to where selling their goods will receive more income.
    Market prices follow the global trend, therefore, to maintain stability, government participation in the pricing process is necessary.
    The current situation in Kazakhstan is not the intrigues of the "West", but the result of the shortcomings of state administration and of Kassym-Jomar Tokayev personally, just like Alexander Grigorievich Lukashenko in Belarus as heads of state.
    The system of the transit of power in the Russian Federation is formalized and verified by the most truly free expression of the will of citizens during election campaigns at all levels.
    That's when big capital gets out of state control and does not tear the RF into many sovereign state institutions, then the elections will turn into a Western “democratic” farce, when the population will be allowed to choose their own boss from several representatives of political parties of monopoly capital.
    1. Jacques sekavar Offline Jacques sekavar
      Jacques sekavar (Jacques Sekavar) 5 January 2022 13: 58
      +1
      The disadvantage of the electoral system is the lack of a recall mechanism. If there are elections, there must be a system of early recall by the same voters in connection with the loss of their confidence.
      1. Mikhail L. Offline Mikhail L.
        Mikhail L. 5 January 2022 14: 46
        -2
        In principle, it is correct.
        But in practice this is possible only under the system of ... Soviets - when the electoral cell is not a territorial unit, but a production unit!
        Does the government need it?
      2. goncharov.62 Offline goncharov.62
        goncharov.62 (Andrei) 5 January 2022 17: 44
        +3
        He was in the USSR. Mechanism ... Have you heard a lot about officials removed for professional incompetence and theft? The most stringent one is transferring to ... the struggle with collective farms for poor harvests ... So that is not the point. "For Soviets without Communists!" The slogan is relevant, isn't it kaatsa for you?
  14. so right now, bite off the north from them, all the Asians - in the mountains, graze sheep and eat kumis!
    1. goncharov.62 Offline goncharov.62
      goncharov.62 (Andrei) 5 January 2022 17: 45
      0
      I forgot about VKO, brother! But this is Altai. Russian mountain Altai.
      1. East Kazakhstan region - we take it too! Everything native Russian land - we take it without a bazaar!
  15. sapper2 Offline sapper2
    sapper2 (Minesweeper2) 5 January 2022 15: 29
    0
    I suppose the emergence of US bases in Central Asia ... Who will they agree with is a question ... Turkey is present there through its graduates of Kazakh-Turkish lyceums that have been functioning since 95 ... The scenario of the revolution has been launched ... Tokayev stops it, but attempts by amers to make Central Asia a "hot spot" will not stop there.
  16. Alexey Rogomanov (Alexey Rogomanov) 5 January 2022 15: 38
    0
    For Putin, one more reason to think about how to leave power and not lose anything for himself and his friends.
  17. Crunch Offline Crunch
    Crunch (Crunch) 5 January 2022 16: 41
    +1
    Quote: Bakht
    The last straw must always be remembered. A social explosion can happen over the smallest trifle. The Arab Spring kicked off with an overturned greens cart from a street vendor. The cost of the entire cart was hardly more than $ 10. And the rulers flew off and several states were destroyed.

    Only a naive schoolboy can believe that the cart is the cause of the riots, the murdered Archduke is the cause of the World War, the Gulf of Tonkin is the reason for the attack on Vietnam. Such actions need a reason. And the reasons - in a deep interest in the new division of borders and treasures. It's a pity you don't know the expression "casus belli". / Casus belli./
  18. Crunch Offline Crunch
    Crunch (Crunch) 5 January 2022 16: 52
    +1
    Quote: Alexey Rogomanov
    For Putin, one more reason to think about how to leave power and not lose anything for himself and his friends.

    Fool. For Putin, a lesson on how to deal with the Khodorkovskys, Navalny, the echoes of Moscow, rains, and rottooths with shaggy hair, no longer of a certain gender. Flirting with mold only encourages it to capture new spaces. Hot iron is the best remedy for mold and this syphilis.
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 5 January 2022 17: 26
      -1
      This is Moscow owned by Gazprom Media, by the way. We would like to have closed it long ago.
  19. Crunch Offline Crunch
    Crunch (Crunch) 5 January 2022 16: 56
    0
    Quote: sapper2
    Tokayev stops him

    I doubt it very much. Rather, Hillary Clinton will once again go into ecstasy over the savage execution of another former Soviet ... He will not have time to sign a decree on the autonomy of 5 regions that were seized from the RSFSR by Khrushchev. It will be torn apart earlier. And without this, Russia does not need him.
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  21. Alsur Offline Alsur
    Alsur (Alexey) 5 January 2022 17: 03
    +1
    Quote: Bakht
    The last straw must always be remembered. A social explosion can happen over the smallest trifle. The Arab Spring kicked off with an overturned greens cart from a street vendor. The cost of the entire cart was hardly more than $ 10. And the rulers flew off and several states were destroyed.

    This is a legend, for some it is beautiful. In fact, the governments flew off only because someone poured in the money and achieved the desired result. True, in Egypt, as a result, everything went wrong and the Muslim Brotherhood was demolished by the military. And in Tunisia, where there was an inverted cart, everything is as it should be. The country remained in the sphere of influence of France and does not even think to twitch.
  22. Vladest Offline Vladest
    Vladest (Vladimir) 5 January 2022 17: 08
    -5
    Quote: Valentine
    reminds maidan

    And what should happen so that it reminds you of the uprising of the people tired of the lawlessness of power? Or the people are always a rag in the hands of external forces.
    1. boriz Online boriz
      boriz (boriz) 5 January 2022 19: 11
      +1
      Where is the Kazakh people tired of the lawlessness? An ordinary Maidan, controlled from abroad.
    2. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
      Ulysses (Alexey) 5 January 2022 22: 11
      +1
      And what should happen so that it reminds you of the uprising of the people tired of the lawlessness of power? Or the people are always a rag in the hands of external forces.

      Whoever has always touched me is less than a million Estonians.
      It is good to say about the "tired of lawlessness" in other countries, when your whole country is fed on the budget of a not very large American company.
      For charity from her.
      smile
    3. 123 Offline 123
      123 (123) 6 January 2022 10: 28
      0
      And what should happen so that it reminds you of the uprising of the people tired of the lawlessness of power? Or the people are always a rag in the hands of external forces.

      And what should happen so that the dumb Baltic slaves, tired of the lawlessness of power, would remember that they are people and raise an uprising? smile Your prices jump at times, and you keep your tongue warm. Are you a people or what? Gather rags laughing

      In the price zone of the Nord Pool Estonia energy exchange, the price of electricity will triple compared to Sunday, if the average price on Sunday is 88,01 euros per megawatt hour (MWh) and 269,82 euros on Monday.

      https://www.err.ee/1608440654/esmaspaeval-kolmekordistub-keskmine-elektri-hind-puhapaevaga-vorreldes
  23. Crunch Offline Crunch
    Crunch (Crunch) 5 January 2022 17: 18
    +1
    Quote: Marzhetsky
    The authorities should not rewrite the rules of the game for each election, depriving the opposition of chances for an honest victory. This is cheating. Our Constitution says that Russia is a state governed by the rule of law.

    What, specifically, laws have been rewritten in favor of the authorities? I remember that the percentage of votes changed, which is a pass to the Duma. There were elections only from parties, there were free candidates. New parties appeared that did not exist before. You are talking about non-systemic opposition. And the systemic opposition should itself be chosen / appointed, educated, created /, underline the necessary. I have always voted for Yabloko until the last elections. But after what my fellow countryman Yavlinsky said, I am his worst enemy. There are things that I do not like in the politics of the President himself. But in order to do it differently, you need to know. And not today's results, but future, distant ones. I do not know. And, as is customary with doctors, to treat only what you know, I do not try to treat. But the fact that now we will have only one President, and not by the number of counties, I am glad of this circumstance. Another step is needed. Equalizing the capital of our homeland and us sinners in tax and other matters. I hope it will. But on this occasion I will not go to the Maidan.
  24. goncharov.62 Offline goncharov.62
    goncharov.62 (Andrei) 5 January 2022 17: 26
    +1
    Perhaps, it is worth drawing some conclusions from the Belarusian and Kazakh history in the Kremlin too?

    Necessarily! It's time for the president not to wag the constitution, but to say bluntly - "I am here by the will of the people who elected me. And while I am in power, I am ready to fulfill my duty. And on all sorts of bourgeois crap norms - nonsense (4-5-7 years) we lay down" ... Something like this.
    1. Rusa Offline Rusa
      Rusa 5 January 2022 20: 47
      0
      "... And on all sorts of bourgeois crap norms, nonsense, we lay down."

      How can he put it if the Russian Federation is a bourgeois state.
  25. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 5 January 2022 17: 28
    -1
    Quote: Crunch
    What, specifically, laws have been rewritten in favor of the authorities? I remember that the percentage of votes changed, which is a pass to the Duma. There were elections only from parties, there were free candidates. New parties appeared that did not exist before. You are talking about non-systemic opposition.

    No, I'm talking specifically about the systemic opposition. The rules for holding were changed for EVERY elections so that the party in power could get a majority in them. This is an objective reality.
  26. Crunch Offline Crunch
    Crunch (Crunch) 5 January 2022 17: 28
    +1
    Quote: Vladest
    Quote: Valentine
    reminds maidan

    And what should happen so that it reminds you of the uprising of the people tired of the lawlessness of power? Or the people are always a rag in the hands of external forces.

    And who drove to vote for these scoundrels?
  27. Crunch Offline Crunch
    Crunch (Crunch) 5 January 2022 17: 31
    0
    Quote: Marzhetsky
    This is Moscow owned by Gazprom Media, by the way. We would like to have closed it long ago.

    Have you found any signs of anti-government activity? Or inciting ethnic strife?
  28. Crunch Offline Crunch
    Crunch (Crunch) 5 January 2022 17: 36
    0
    Quote: Marzhetsky

    The rules are what? Is it the Election Law, or the one that was adopted at the gangway in the cafe? If this is a law, some kind of article, why not show it?
  29. Crunch Offline Crunch
    Crunch (Crunch) 5 January 2022 17: 41
    0
    Quote: Mikhail L.
    In principle, it is correct.
    But in practice this is possible only under the system of ... Soviets - when the electoral cell is not a territorial unit, but a production unit!
    Does the government need it?

    You lost your mind. When is it written in the Constitution, in the Law on Elections? Voices that were counted at the factory, store, and were these details indicated in the bulletins? For control, or for simple statistics? Maybe they voted using the brigade contract method? Or a general meeting of the labor collective? Who hit you like that? Or where did you fall like that?
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  31. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
    gunnerminer (gunner miner) 5 January 2022 17: 52
    -7
    “We are convinced that our Kazakh friends can independently solve their internal problems,” he told RIA Novosti. Peskov noted that at the moment, Kazakhstan has not asked for help from Russia. At the same time, he added that it is important that no one intervenes from the outside.

    But what about the CSTO, the Russian zone of influence!
  32. Denis radish Offline Denis radish
    Denis radish (Denis Moroz) 5 January 2022 17: 53
    0
    typical confusion of God's gift with scrambled eggs. translate into Kazakh.
  33. boriz Online boriz
    boriz (boriz) 5 January 2022 17: 55
    +4
    Do not pay too much attention to this excess.
    This is one of the latest hysterical attempts by MI6 to return the WB (by the hands of Erdogan) to the highest echelon of powers.
    Alas, it won't work. Started too late.
    Washington is silent, Beijing is silent. They have already agreed on everything with Putin, this is not their area of ​​responsibility.
    In a few days, ordinary people will come to the children who have settled in the akimat and will start asking simple everyday questions: where is bread, where is water, where is gas, etc. And they do not know how to work. This is more difficult than rampaging and burning police cars.
    As a result, the guys will try to quietly slip away. But they will be accepted under the white hands of nondescript guys and will begin to ask unpleasant questions. Answers like "We wanted the best!" will not be accepted.
    And the guys will have a regular army behind them.
    Then the police will come off a little and I won't blame them.
    MI6 may try to shake Abkhazia and Ossetia. But it’s too late.
    And WB and Erdogan will be taken into account during the spill. Both countries have a good chance of falling apart.
  34. Crunch Offline Crunch
    Crunch (Crunch) 5 January 2022 18: 08
    0
    Quote: Mikhail L.
    If a pro-Western opposition comes to power in Kazakhstan, then the choice of the political vector is obvious.
    And the Russian Federation will have to come to terms with this!

    We'll have to connect invisible springs, and set in motion a grater that rips off the skin at the withers to the spine. Having learned that many troubles come from allegedly supporting the people of Kazakhstan ..... Something in the image and likeness of Belarusian education, Armenian, Ukrainian.
  35. Crunch Offline Crunch
    Crunch (Crunch) 5 January 2022 18: 16
    0
    Quote: goncharov.62
    nonsense (4-5-7 years) we lay

    There is no such word - we lay down. Yes, we put it. What only did you study, where, and, most importantly, HOW?
  36. Quote: Crunch
    Sign a decree on the autonomy of 5 regions seized from the RSFSR by Khrushchev

    please list these 5 Areas, very interesting!
  37. Crunch Offline Crunch
    Crunch (Crunch) 5 January 2022 18: 27
    +2
    Quote: Bakht
    Yes, the idea is "not bad". Spoil relations with Iran and Turkey. And help amers build Great Kurdistan. Brilliant political science ...

    What's a bad idea? Let both of these participants think that the culprit is the other? This is exactly how the states rule in the regions that are of interest to them. They stir up the mess, "controlled chaos", and help both, becoming an ally and a financier. True, robbing both. I think we still need to learn to manage. Not with your own money and not at your own expense.
  38. Sergey Ivanov_5 Offline Sergey Ivanov_5
    Sergey Ivanov_5 (Sergey Ivanov) 5 January 2022 18: 31
    -2
    The text was written by an obviously insane citizen - Russia "clicked" Ukraine - why did someone decide that it would be different now.
  39. Canich-dotoshnii 5 January 2022 18: 56
    0
    If fuel prices rose gradually, everyone would grumble, but tolerate.

    This was done in Russia. They grumble, but tolerate. But in Russia, gasoline and gas are more expensive than in Kazakhstan.
  40. boriz Online boriz
    boriz (boriz) 5 January 2022 19: 09
    +3
    Here's some fresh news. The coordination headquarters of the Kazakh Maidan is in Ukraine.

    1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 5 January 2022 19: 30
      -9
      No Ukraine can undermine the situation better than the local authorities themselves. Not such a Ukraine is omnipotent.
      1. boriz Online boriz
        boriz (boriz) 5 January 2022 19: 35
        +2
        Ukraine is not so omnipotent.

        You just don’t understand anything.
        Ukraine is not omnipotent. She's not at all.
        Zelensky puppet MI6. Remember how he, the president of the "independent" power, was summoned to the carpet in MI6.
        In Kazakhstan, the WB is pulling the strings with Erdogan's hands and using Ukraine as a base for the opposition.
        1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
          gunnerminer (gunner miner) 5 January 2022 19: 43
          -8
          In Kazakhstan, local authorities have driven the population to protest, as in Ukraine and Belarus; in Russia, the situation is complicated by the presence of millions of foreign workers who have no sympathy either for the Russians or for the Russian security forces.
          1. boriz Online boriz
            boriz (boriz) 5 January 2022 19: 45
            +3
            Have you listened to the video until the end? The Ukrainians are doing much worse, but they no longer climb on the Maidan.
            1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
              gunnerminer (gunner miner) 5 January 2022 19: 50
              -8
              The protests of the Ukrainians were skillfully directed. They protested against some thieves, while others came. Anti-Russian. They created a state hostile to Russia. The same is happening with Kazakhstan.
              1. boriz Online boriz
                boriz (boriz) 5 January 2022 19: 54
                +1
                The situation has changed. The United States will not support them. And it is impossible to bring troops there.
                If Tokayev fails, he will ask the Russian Federation within the framework of the CSTO.
                1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                  gunnerminer (gunner miner) 6 January 2022 13: 10
                  -5
                  Kievskys perform their minor role without the support of the United States. The positions of the Kievans are frankly weak, while on the Russian side they are even weaker. It is enough to look at the Russian representatives in Donbass. Downed pilots who were fined several times. And whether, for example, ambassadors Chernomyrdin and Zurabov. Written off, sent. The Washingtonians see this. That with personnel, the not very prosperous Bolivar "will not survive the fourth hot spot. The resource is far from Soviet. It is in the cartoons that the Bear is huge, larger than the Red Dragon.
  41. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
    gunnerminer (gunner miner) 5 January 2022 19: 33
    -10
    It doesn't all boil down to "rising prices." Bake make, plus tribalism do not depend on Nazarbayev, these are the moods in society. The main sources of income since the 90s belong to foreign companies, which, of course, did not invest much in production. The Chinese are very active, and everything is strictly according to the methodology: the deterioration of the economic situation, the flirting of the current government with nationally oriented leaders against this background, the buildup of the situation, the transfer of the confrontation to a forceful phase, relying on the national youth from the villages and urban lower classes, the elimination of conditions for the creation of a middle class ... Active action of foreign NGOs. Showy friendship and orientation towards Turkey with ideas of pan-Turkism, despite the fact that the main creditor of the Turks is China. And yes, even if there is a coup, it will not be better for the residents of Kazakhstan. And it will become much worse, especially for Russian speakers.
    The economic situation in Russia can hardly be called better than in Kazakhstan, and there are even more contradictions within the country, and given the external pressure, the guys from the Government should think very well.
  42. Crunch Offline Crunch
    Crunch (Crunch) 5 January 2022 20: 19
    +2
    Quote: Marzhetsky
    I meant precisely the threat of the creation of Kurdistan, and not its actual creation. As a means of pressure on partners in the negotiation process.

    Oftentimes, the THREAT is worse than the execution of the threat.
  43. Crunch Offline Crunch
    Crunch (Crunch) 5 January 2022 22: 01
    0
    Quote: boriz
    The situation has changed. The United States will not support them. And it is impossible to bring troops there.
    If Tokayev fails, he will ask the Russian Federation within the framework of the CSTO.

    We will not rush with help, I hope. I really hope so. It is necessary that this multi-vector saxaul be rubbed well with the muzzle on the emery. The best cure for dislocations is this grater. But father was cured. Pashaninyan is also recovering. At least, he stood in Putin's reception, begging for forgiveness.
  44. NikolayN Offline NikolayN
    NikolayN (Nikolai) 5 January 2022 22: 35
    +2
    Bandits. The same as in Ukraine. Even more dangerous. Those were still swinging, these began to kill immediately.
  45. Crunch Offline Crunch
    Crunch (Crunch) 6 January 2022 01: 01
    +1
    Quote: BoBot Robot - Free Thinking Machine
    Quote: Crunch
    Sign a decree on the autonomy of 5 regions seized from the RSFSR by Khrushchev

    please list these 5 Areas, very interesting!

    Since 1925, after the formation of the Kazak ASSR, Kyzyl-Orda (the former Fort-Perovsk or Ak-Mechet) became its capital. Orenburg became the provincial center within the RSFSR, and the bulk of the lands of the former Orenburg Cossack army did not become part of Kazakstan.

    However, in Kazakstan / Kazakhstan there were:

    - almost entirely of the land of the Ural Cossack army with the city of Uralsk;

    - most of the lands of the Siberian Cossack army with the cities of Petropavlovsk, Pavlodar, Semipalatinsk and Ust-Kamenogorsk;

    - the entire Semirechye Cossack army with the city of Verny (Alma-Ata, since 1929 - the capital of Kazakstan).

    You will find other information, drag it. Even a complete moron understands why the hell Nazarbayev dragged the capital to Astana. Northern regions, virgin lands, were they in the Kazakh SSR?
    In general, can we talk about the borders of a country whose people lead a nomadic lifestyle? Is always. led.
  46. Crunch Offline Crunch
    Crunch (Crunch) 6 January 2022 01: 12
    0
    Quote: Marzhetsky
    By the way, all of them could later come back to haunt with a new Civil War, when half of the US population realizes that they have stolen the opportunity to win by legal means.

    We can wish them success in this difficult endeavor. Or change the ugliness that they have written down in the election law. The USA is a state governed by the rule of law, and they will not change the laws. I think.
  47. Misha Mihalkov Offline Misha Mihalkov
    Misha Mihalkov (Misha Mihalkov) 6 January 2022 05: 54
    0
    The VChK-OGPU telegram channel reported that the military in Kubinka near Moscow had been alerted. The protests in Kazakhstan did not subside. According to eyewitnesses, in the late evening on Wednesday, January 5, marauders are operating in the center of Almaty. Prior to this, the protesters stormed the akimat, and they succeeded. In addition, protests swept through other cities of the republic - a state of emergency was declared throughout the country. According to the President of Kazakhstan, Kassym-Zhomart Tokayev, "terrorist gangs" are taking control of large infrastructure facilities in the country. He specified that the airport and 5 planes, including foreign ones, were hijacked by "terrorists" in Alma-Ata.

    https://ok.ru/ukrainasr/topic/154467854666644
  48. tulip Offline tulip
    tulip 6 January 2022 09: 44
    0
    I agree - now Kazakhstan will not be allowed to sit on 2 or even 3 chairs. Either it will be closely linked with Russia, or it will lose several regions. Russia will not tolerate a new hostile Turkestan under the auspices of the British and Americans on its huge border with Kazakhstan. So there will be no choice - anyway, this Turkestan will be hostile anyway - so at least a few regions should be split off from it.
    I also agree that the Americans are not muddying the waters - they are only in third roles. The leading roles are played by the British and the Turks.
  49. Polozhenko Igor Offline Polozhenko Igor
    Polozhenko Igor (Polozhenko Igor) 6 January 2022 10: 03
    +1
    if the riot had been planned, it would have started even if gas prices were lowered, not raised. sad that we have such allies, some bandits came, tore off the shoulder straps, took the weapon ... ugh ...
  50. kriten Offline kriten
    kriten (Vladimir) 6 January 2022 10: 16
    0
    Kazakhstan was only pretending to be an ally of Russia, in the meantime having surrendered all control of the country to US henchmen. The government turned into beys who forgot about everything when the agents of the USA and Turkey stuffed their personal pockets with them. the robbery of shops is the business of pro-Turkish nationalists, and the seizure of administrative buildings is at the command of US agents.
  51. assault 2019 Offline assault 2019
    assault 2019 (assault 2019) 6 January 2022 21: 43
    +2
    Only Russia and China will be able to finally resolve the "Kazakh issue"; it is they who have the strongest economic and political influence in Central Asia.
    Although the Turks do harm, they do it from afar ...
    China "sits tightly" in southern Kazakhstan and actively promotes its interests there, Russia's positions are traditionally strong in the central and northern regions of Kazakhstan, where most of the Russian-speaking population lives.
    My personal opinion is that it is necessary to start a dialogue with Beijing before the United States and NATO and Turkey with their peacekeeping contingents intervened in the process.
    The best option for Russia is if everything ends with a peaceful partition of Kazakhstan, the "whimsical and anti-Russian" South will go under the Chinese, and the Russian Central and Northern regions will become part of Russia.

    I already wrote last year that in 2-3 years Kazakhstan will "blaze", it turned out even earlier, this is the same artificial non-viable formation, formed on the same principle as Ukraine, when the industrially developed Russian provinces were united with the backward national outskirts with different mentality, different culture and religion ...
    Russian cities that became part of Kazakhstan:
    1. Nursultan, he is Akmolinsk, aka Tselinograd. The area in the area of ​​the current capital of Kazakhstan was called Ak-Molá (White Tomb). In 1830, by decree of Nicholas I, the Akmola Cossack outpost with a fortress was founded here. In 1863 Akmolinsk received the status of a city. Almost a hundred years later, in 1961, the communists renamed the city to Tselinograd

    2. Alma-Ata, aka Loyal. In 1854, the Trans-Ili military fortification was founded here, which was soon renamed Vernoe. In 1867, it received the status of a city with the name Verny. In 1921, the communists renamed it in the local way, Alma-Ata, as the Kazakhs called the tract where Verny was located.

    3. Kyzyl-Orda, aka Perovsk, aka Ak-Mosque. In 1820, by order of the Kokand Khan, the Ak-Mechet (White Mosque) fortress was founded on the banks of the Syr Darya. In 1853, the fortress was taken by Russian troops and renamed Fort Perovsky after the name of the general who led this campaign. In 1862, Fort Perovsky received the status of a city and was renamed Perovsk. In 1922, the Bolsheviks again named it Ak-Mechet, and since 1925, due to the location here (until 1929) of the capital of the Kazakh ASSR, Kzyl-Orda

    4. Atyrau, he is Guriev... In 1640 the merchant Guriy Nazarov built a small town at the mouth of the Yaik (Ural) river. For a long time it did not have an established name, more often it was called Ust-Yaitsky town. However, due to the renaming of the Yaik River into the Ural after the Pugachev rebellion of 1773-1775. the name was established by the name of the merchant who founded it - Guryev. It should be noted that when Guryev arose, Kazakhs did not live in his vicinity. Russian Cossacks lived in the Yaik valley, and Nogai and Kalmyks roamed around in the desert. In 1991, the Kazakh authorities renamed the city Atyrau.

    5. Semey, he is Semipalatinsk... In 1718, by order of Peter I, the Semipalatnaya fortress was built on the Irtysh. The name comes from the seven destroyed Buddhist temples that lay in the vicinity. In 1782 Semipalatinsk was given the status of a city. In 2007, Nazarbayev renamed the city, naming it after the nearest mountain. This mountain was named so by the Kazakhs after ... the Russian city in its vicinity.

    6. Kostanay. In 1879, the construction of a city on the Tobol River in the Kustanai tract began. The city was originally given various names: Novo-Tobolsk, even Novo-Nikolaevsk (although later the present-day Novosibirsk was called Novonikolaevsk), just Nikolaevsk, but the name given by the Turkic toponym meaning unknown what stuck. In 1895, the name of Kustanai for the new city was officially approved by Emperor Nicholas II. In 1997, Nazarbayev changed the name of the city to Kostanay as it was more in line with the Kazakh pronunciation.

    7. Aktyubinsk... Another city founded by the Russians received a local name from the very beginning. In 1869 the Russians founded the Ak-Tyube (White Hill) fortification. In 1891 it received the status of a city with the name Aktyubinsk. In 1999, Nazarbayev renamed it Ak-Tobe.

    8. Karaganda. The name comes from the name of the elm tree. The only large city in Kazakhstan, founded during the Soviet era. In 1931, a settlement of workers-miners appeared here, in 1934 it received the status of a city. Nowadays, the name of the city in Kazakhstan has been changed to Karagandy.

    Several cities founded by Russians on the territory of present-day Kazakhstan have retained their former names. This

    9. Uralsk (exists since 1584; until 1775 it was called Yaitsky town),

    10 Petropavlovsk (1752)

    11 Pavlodar (1720; until 1861 - Koryakovskaya stanitsa),

    12 Ust-Kamenogorsk

    The entire right bank of the Irtysh to Bukhtarma from the beginning of the 1917th century to the revolution of XNUMX was a Cossack line. Everything that was founded there was either as a trading point between the left and right banks, or a fortress or stronghold. And with decossackization, the entire right bank went to the national territory.

    The same story with the Semirechye Cossacks ...
  52. Ilia Kaganovich_2 (Ilia Kaganovich) 7 January 2022 08: 45
    +1
    Kazakhstan must become part of Russia voluntarily, otherwise it simply will not survive. If he goes along the pro-Western path, he will become a colony of the West or the Turks. The majority of the population (Kazakhs) remain nomads, except for the cities. And these are rather illiterate people living by birth (zhuzam). I know this not just by hearsay, I have lived in the republic for more than 40 years and traveled around distant regions and auls. Tokayev needs to think hard about this and make the right choice, and this is only with Russia and within it.