Russia accelerates the pace of Navy recovery


The recent fire on the corvette "Agile", when an almost built warship burned down right at the "Severnaya Verf", became one of the most inglorious pages in the history of our navy. This emergency reflected all the problems of the domestic shipbuilding - too extended terms, insufficient level equipment safety during work, etc. However, apparently, certain conclusions have been made, and the Russian Navy can now open a new, much more positive page for itself.


One of the most acute problems of the Russian navy is the acute shortage of large surface ships capable of operating in the distant sea and ocean zones. To somehow patch up this gap, it is necessary to send large anti-submarine ships of Project 1155 to deep modernization. The first was the Marshal Shaposhnikov BOD, the second in line was the Admiral Vinogradov. Soviet-built ships, which, on average, are already 40 years old, are equipped with modern missile strike and anti-aircraft systems, as well as anti-submarine systems, turning them into either frigates or destroyers. But age is age, it will not be possible to endlessly extend the life of the former BODs, because the fleet needs new ships.

Today, the main support and hope of Russia in the far sea zone is considered a multipurpose frigate of project 22350. With a full displacement of 5400 tons and a maximum speed of 29,5 knots, these warships will have vertical launch units carrying 32 Onyx and Caliber missiles "Or" Zircon ", 32 UVP anti-aircraft complex" Redut ", an artillery installation, anti-submarine and mine-torpedo weapons, as well as 1 anti-submarine helicopter Ka-27P or helicopter AWACS Ka-31. It is known about the order of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation for 10 frigates of this type.

In addition, it is planned to create its version 22350M with a full displacement increased to 8000 tons. The maximum speed of the ship will grow to 30 knots, the ammunition load of attack missiles - up to 48 pieces, anti-aircraft missiles - up to 64 missiles. Instead of 1 helicopter, the "superfrigate" will carry 2. The cruising range will increase from 4500 miles to 6000, which will make the 22350M project the main "workhorse" of the Russian Navy in the far sea zone.

But all these plans had their own bottlenecks. In particular, it was puzzling why all orders for the construction of frigates of projects 22350 and 22350M, as well as in parallel with them for part of the corvettes 20380 (20385), were taken by Severnaya Verf. Practice has shown that the Amur Shipyard, which took on the second part of the order of the RF Ministry of Defense for corvettes, copes with it much better. For example, Turkish shipyards are far from the pace, of course, but the "Far Easterners" cope on average one and a half times faster than the "Petersburgers".

This in itself is rather strange, considering that Severnaya Verf is located in the very heart of a developed industrial cluster in Russia, and the Amur Shipbuilding Building is somewhere far away, in the outskirts. Taking into account the fact that Severnaya Verf was unable to save the corvette, which it had been building “one teaspoon a day” for 8 years, a lot of questions arise for its management.

We must assume that they have arisen not only among corrosive journalists and our discerning readers. From the Far East came a very positive news... Reportedly, the Amur shipyard received an order for the construction of a series of 6 ships of large displacement, namely frigates. Obviously, we can talk about the 22350 project, but it has not yet been specified whether this could be its 22350M version. First Deputy General Director of the Amur Shipyard Mikhail Borovsky explained that the company is preparing to sign an order for 6 frigates, which will require the modernization of the shipyard's slipways.

This news is really positive. The Amur plant has already shown in practice that it is capable of building warships quickly enough. The fire on the "Provorny" corvette, which exposed all the problems of the industry, inevitably led to the conclusion that it was necessary to diversify construction and distribute orders to several shipyards. It is not yet clear whether they are taking part of the orders for the 22350 series from the overloaded Severnaya Verf, or whether it is about the fact that project 22350M "superfrigates" will be immediately built in the Far East, which may be evidenced by the planned modernization of the boathouses. In the second case, it would be a very smart move. Working in parallel, the two shipyards will be able to quickly fill the acute shortage of large surface vessels in the Russian Navy.

By the way, the pace of restoration of the Russian navy could be accelerated even more if the Kaliningrad Yantar was also involved in the process. As we already celebrated, since 2022, its stocks will be released, and it will be possible to lay project 22350M "superfrigates" on them. Alternatively, at Yantar it is possible to revive the production of BOD project 1155.1M, which we will discuss in detail reasoned previously. In the modernized version, this improved anti-submarine ship, equipped with a modern power plant and weapons, actually turns into a real destroyer.

In terms of its tactical and technical characteristics, the "renovated" former BOD will significantly surpass both "Marshal Shaposhnikov" and "Admiral Vinogradov", becoming a strong "workhorse" of the Russian Navy in the oceanic zone. Built from scratch, the newly-minted destroyer will have great potential for further modernization, when it will be possible to supply it with a more advanced sea-based air defense system and modern anti-submarine helicopters "Lamprey".

Thus, by correctly distributing orders among several shipyards, Russia will be able to really significantly strengthen its surface fleet within 1-2 decades.
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  1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
    gunnerminer (gunner miner) 31 December 2021 14: 47
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    In order not to finally get into a naval deadlock by 2025, it is necessary to order the corps of minesweepers, frigates, patrol boats, diesel engines from Warsaw, universal supply transports and GISU in the PRC. It will be released much faster, and what is important, cheaper, at least for KTOF.
    1. Pandiurin Offline Pandiurin
      Pandiurin (Pandiurin) 31 December 2021 15: 20
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      Quote: gunnerminer
      In order not to finally get into a naval deadlock by 2025, it is necessary to order the corps of minesweepers, frigates, patrol boats, diesel engines from Warsaw, universal supply transports and GISU in the PRC. It will be released much faster, and what is important, cheaper, at least for KTOF.

      Ships are usually lowered into the water for completion at the wall, by this time it is no longer an empty hull, submarines are assembled in a dry dock until they are more complete. The general trend is assembly according to the modular principle, assembly in a warm closed workshop of modules until high readiness and assembly in a dry dock until almost completely ready. For submarines, they also strive for this, which is still very poorly implemented, but the general direction is.
      It is not clear how the construction of buildings in the PRC will fit into this in the form of empty cans, then disassembly / cutting to transfer to the workshops where all this will be equipped with filling. It is doubtful that this will speed up, if not slow down at all.
      1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
        gunnerminer (gunner miner) 31 December 2021 16: 30
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        Sections of the hull of a surface ship and ready-made sections of an obsolete diesel engine can be loaded onto a heavy lift and delivered to Russian shipyards. There are many such examples in the world. GISU, transports, minesweepers, HS can be built with a full cycle in the PRC.
        1. 123 Offline 123
          123 (123) 31 December 2021 18: 13
          +5
          can be built with a full cycle in the PRC

          Building weapons abroad is a rare folly. The story with the Mistrals does not fit into your "RAM"?
          1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
            gunnerminer (gunner miner) 31 December 2021 18: 38
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            The PRC is not a NATO member. And in 2014 the situation with the naval personnel was not so critical. There were hopes for decisive measures by the USC leadership. And now KTOF and KSF are turning into shield-gathering squads of ships. Without guaranteed air defense and PMO.
            1. 123 Offline 123
              123 (123) 31 December 2021 19: 46
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              The PRC is not a NATO member.

              What does NATO have to do with it? Building weapons abroad is not at all far-sighted.

              And in 2014, the situation with the ship's staff was not so critical.

              And what has gotten worse since then? What caused your tantrum?

              There were hopes for decisive measures by the USC leadership.

              Did they disappoint you? This sounds like a compliment to them because your fantasies are quite specific.

              And now KTOF and KSF are turning into shield-gathering squads of ships without guaranteed air defense and anti-aircraft missile defense.

              This is just an exacerbation of your tantrum.
              1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                gunnerminer (gunner miner) 1 January 2022 23: 07
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                Read the news of the USC, the speeches of the head of the USC. He openly speaks about the failure of the next shipbuilding program. The USC cannot do without foreign contractors. Even the shipbuilders of the USSR could not do without foreign shipyards.
                1. Boris Chernikov Offline Boris Chernikov
                  Boris Chernikov (Boris Chern) 2 January 2022 11: 25
                  +1
                  then to close the NEA in 10 years? or maybe it is better to develop competence at home?
                  1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                    gunnerminer (gunner miner) 2 January 2022 16: 22
                    -6
                    The situation with the naval personnel in the Navy is critical. Nobody forbids starting to prepare a network of educational institutions for working shipbuilders.
                    1. Boris Chernikov Offline Boris Chernikov
                      Boris Chernikov (Boris Chern) 14 January 2022 16: 44
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                      you apparently don’t know how the Chinese do business, if you order ships from them, then there will be NOTHING to build at the NEA, since the enterprise will be closed
          2. Demonlivi Offline Demonlivi
            Demonlivi (Dima) 31 December 2021 23: 43
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            Kuzya was quickly modernized! I think the head cruisers are even faster!
        2. Pandiurin Offline Pandiurin
          Pandiurin (Pandiurin) 31 December 2021 18: 20
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          Quote: gunnerminer
          Sections of the hull of a surface ship and ready-made sections of an obsolete diesel engine can be loaded onto a heavy lift and delivered to Russian shipyards. There are many such examples in the world. GISU, transports, minesweepers, HS can be built with a full cycle in the PRC.

          China is attracted to shipbuilding, they participated in the construction of a dry dock for OUR shipyard. Our fleet will be built at our shipyard, this is probably the right decision to involve China.
          1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
            gunnerminer (gunner miner) 31 December 2021 18: 43
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            Our shipyards build in unacceptably long terms for the customer. The price of the order as a result increases significantly. Fire safety measures are not followed (TAVKR Kuznetsov, Provorny corvette, BPK Kerch). The USSR attracted shipyards of Bulgaria, Yugoslavia, Tunisia, Greece for the repair of ships and vessels of the Navy. Finland, Poland. For the construction of ships and vessels shipyards of Poland, Finland. Some Russian shipyards do not fulfill the shipbuilding program.
        3. bobba94 Online bobba94
          bobba94 (Vladimir) 31 December 2021 21: 38
          +1
          I heard reviews of Ukrainian shipbuilders on the separate construction of Turkish corvettes of the "Ada" type for the Ukrainian Navy. The bottom line is that corvettes' hulls are built at a Turkish shipyard, then the hulls are towed to Nikolaev and the corvettes are being completed there ...
          1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
            Marzhecki (Sergei) 1 January 2022 09: 09
            -1
            What exactly are their claims?
            1. bobba94 Online bobba94
              bobba94 (Vladimir) 1 January 2022 14: 01
              +1
              I will not talk about the technical side of their claims, since I am not a techie, but a lawyer, but, in my opinion, the claims are based on anger at the authorities who allowed the collapse of the Nikolaev Shipyard and offended shipbuilders for their uselessness, lack of demand in the situation with the construction of Turkish corvettes ....
              1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
                Marzhecki (Sergei) 1 January 2022 17: 10
                -1
                Got it, colleague. I asked without jokes, I was really interested. I have already written something about Turkish corvettes and frigates.
    2. General Black Offline General Black
      General Black (Gennady) 1 January 2022 11: 09
      +1
      Gunya, does the Main Command of the Navy know about this?
      1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
        gunnerminer (gunner miner) 1 January 2022 22: 58
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        Moreover, the issue of ordering ships for the Joint Armed Forces and Civil Aviation, and at Turkish shipyards, is being considered. To make it cheaper, faster, they would build. The USSR itself did not pull the Joint Armed Forces and Civil Aviation, reconnaissance ships, PM.
      2. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
        gunnerminer (gunner miner) 2 January 2022 11: 21
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        Rosmorport has already ordered icebreakers to the Turks, and they have ordered a floating dock, and military orders will continue.
  2. Rusa Offline Rusa
    Rusa 31 December 2021 14: 52
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    ... Taking into account the fact that Severnaya Verf was unable to save the corvette, which was built a teaspoon a day for 8 years, a lot of questions arise for its leadership.

    In this regard, a lot of questions arise for the leadership of the Russian Federation, including the government.
  3. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
    gunnerminer (gunner miner) 31 December 2021 14: 57
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    However, apparently, certain conclusions have been made, and the Russian Navy can now open a new, much more positive page for itself.

    The fires were enough for correct conclusions. And the current conclusions are straightforward.

    It is not yet clear whether they are taking part of the orders for the 23500 series from the overloaded Severnaya Verf, or whether it is about the fact that project 23500M "superfrigates" will be immediately built in the Far East, which may be evidenced by the planned modernization of the boathouses.

    The Amur plant barely pulls out corvettes. Rogozin, Shoigu, Borisov landed there regularly. The plant practically can only work in manual hard mode. Rogozin even suggested installing video cameras in the workshops for round-the-clock control.

    By the way, the pace of restoration of the Russian navy could be accelerated even more if the Kaliningrad Yantar was also involved in the process.

    "Yantar" can hardly manage even those orders that it has now.

    Thus, by correctly distributing orders among several shipyards, Russia will be able to really significantly strengthen its surface fleet within 1-2 decades.

    The problem is that by 2025 the fleet will lose a lot of first-line ships. Without the revolutionary modernization of Russian shipbuilding and ship repair enterprises, without training tens of thousands of skilled workers, it is useless to wait for new buildings transferred within an acceptable time frame. At first, place orders in the PRC.
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 31 December 2021 16: 26
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      Amur residents have several ships now in a high readiness stage
      1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
        gunnerminer (gunner miner) 31 December 2021 16: 32
        -5
        Requires a much higher rate of construction, and a large nomenclature of classes of ships. Staffing shortage, equipment obsolete for 50 years.
        1. Boris Chernikov Offline Boris Chernikov
          Boris Chernikov (Boris Chern) 2 January 2022 11: 27
          0
          so give money for modernization, Write down the intensification in the contract and restructure debts with the elimination of bottlenecks in the construction of ships and you will be happy, And not dead ship factories in 10 years
          1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
            gunnerminer (gunner miner) 2 January 2022 16: 24
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            When I become the head of the USC, I will. laughing
  4. 123 Offline 123
    123 (123) 31 December 2021 18: 10
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    The recent fire on the corvette "Agile", when an almost built warship burned down right at the "Severnaya Verf", became one of the most inglorious pages in the history of our navy.

    The corvette was not transferred to the fleet, and the shipbuilding industry and the fleet are not the same thing. And you invent "inglorious pages" for him.
    Let your fantasy work in the right direction in the new year. drinks
    1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 31 December 2021 18: 48
      -5
      The fact that the corvette was not handed over to the customer, the final negative result did not change. The fleet did not receive a combat unit. The requirements for fire safety are the same everywhere. My imagination does not set fire to newly built ships, and repaired ships. Happy New Year! Good health!
      1. 123 Offline 123
        123 (123) 31 December 2021 19: 52
        +1
        The fact that the corvette was not handed over to the customer, the final negative result did not change. The fleet did not receive a combat unit. Requirements for fire safety are the same everywhere

        But the fleet itself has nothing to do with it. request

        My fantasy does not set fire to newly built ships, and refurbished ships.

        Not all fantasies come true and that's great.
        And you with the coming!
    2. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 1 January 2022 09: 00
      -1
      Fleet, shipbuilding and ship repair are organically interrelated phenomena.
  5. Amur plant kada built excellent nuclear submarines! Isn't it time to return this production to him?
    1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 31 December 2021 18: 50
      -3
      It is high time. At least the construction of multipurpose nuclear power plants would be restored.
      1. Yes the whole plant needs to be restored in all its splendor and power! After all, Severopyansk is making its way through transgender people from Finland and Norway!
        1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
          gunnerminer (gunner miner) 2 January 2022 20: 01
          -5
          First of all, it is necessary to restore the production and repair of nuclear submarines in the Far East. At the moment, KTOF can easily be deprived of nuclear-powered ships. Severodvinsk is the only supplier of nuclear submarines for new buildings. However, TARKRs in the Far East can no longer be repaired.
  6. 1_2 Offline 1_2
    1_2 (Ducks are flying) 31 December 2021 19: 55
    +2
    it is possible to place containers with Zircons on civilian ships)) if necessary, the combat fleet will increase significantly))
  7. wolf46 Offline wolf46
    wolf46 31 December 2021 22: 51
    +3
    In the whole article there is a typo 23500, i.e. 22350. Happy New Year!)
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 1 January 2022 08: 58
      -1
      Yes, sorry, the New Year mood made itself felt drinks Fix
      At first I wrote the index correctly, then it went somewhere wrong repeat
  8. aegorod11 Offline aegorod11
    aegorod11 (Andrey Gorodetsky) 2 January 2022 05: 03
    0
    It's time to connect the Nikolaev shipyards. They are more necessary for Russia.
  9. What do we need steamers for? From the shore FROM THE SHORE we will drown everyone! For example, why do we need the Black Sea and Baltic Fleets? Both seas are shot through by the coastal batteries Bastion and Bal, and why else should we sail somewhere ?! To breed admirals?
  10. Alexey Strokov Offline Alexey Strokov
    Alexey Strokov (Alexey Astashkin) 2 January 2022 13: 03
    +1
    I am not a supporter of building in parallel with 22350M and 1155.1. Although I understand that each unit is important, but in this case, the question arises of creating two different projects with similar tasks. It will be necessary to establish the production of ships, components and assemblies for two different projects. In terms of speed and ease of production, you should limit yourself to one thing. And it seems to me that M-ki has a greater modernization potential.
    In addition, if it turns out that there is enough space for the parallel construction of two projects, wouldn't it be better to build two ships of the same project at the same time. And considering the 22350M as a development of the 22350, it looks a little easier to set up serial production of these frigates than to restore production of 1155.1.
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 2 January 2022 16: 22
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      Quote: Alexey Strokov
      In addition, if it turns out that there is enough space for the parallel construction of two projects, wouldn't it be better to build two ships of the same project at the same time. And considering the 22350M as a development of the 22350, it looks a little easier to set up serial production of these frigates than to restore production of 1155.1.

      Sounds reasonable. But in favor of 1155.1 it sounds that 1) it can be unified with frigates in terms of power plant units and armaments, 2) from this year, it seems like the stocks of "Yantar" are being released, where the BODs were previously produced, 3) as well as what has already been worked out and tested projects for the modernization of old anti-submarine 1155 with the integration of modern weapons and systems on them. Experience is worth a lot.
      However, the decisions are made by completely different people. hi
      And so, yes, M needs to start building, not postponing the matter indefinitely. If Amur residents take it right away, that would be good news. As an option, the M series could probably be taken by Yantar, if 1155.1 is not useful. Then it is really possible to relatively quickly restore and strengthen the surface fleet.
  11. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 2 January 2022 16: 26
    -1
    Quote: BoBot Robot - Free Thinking Machine
    What do we need steamers for? From the shore FROM THE SHORE we will drown everyone! For example, why do we need the Black Sea and Baltic Fleets? Both seas are shot through by the coastal batteries Bastion and Bal, and why else should we sail somewhere ?! To breed admirals?

    In Syria, how will we solve combat tasks without a fleet?