NATO refused to take into account Moscow's opinion on its expansion


The United States is confident that there is no need to take into account the opinion of Russia or any other state in matters of other countries joining NATO. This was announced on December 30 by one of the representatives of the American presidential administration.


Our position is absolutely clear. These decisions are to be made by sovereign countries. Of course, in consultation with the alliance. And not to others

- said the source during a telephone briefing following the recent dialogue between Joseph Biden and Vladimir Putin.

Earlier, the Russian Federation submitted to the United States its requirements for ensuring its own security. In the documents of the Russian side, in particular, there are theses about the non-expansion of NATO to the east and about the rejection of the deployment of Western military bases on the territory of the former Soviet republics.

Meanwhile, during telephone conversations between the leaders of Russia and the United States on Thursday, December 30, Vladimir Putin threatened his American counterpart with a complete rupture of bilateral relations in the event of expansion of anti-Russian sanctions. Biden stressed that the United States does not plan to deploy offensive strike weapons in Ukraine.

The Kremlin’s message following the summit talks said that the discussion turned out to be useful to both sides - the conversation between the presidents was of a businesslike and frank nature.
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  1. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
    Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 31 December 2021 15: 02
    +5
    Someone would have been waiting for another.
    This means that we need to CREATE such a threat to the States that they would readily and enthusiastically seize on all our demands.
    As a matter of fact, we need to start a nuclear war against the master of NATO with full determination and confidence that we have no alternatives. As Khrushchev did in 1962. And to do this even before negotiations.
    Let them stop and persuade us, if their asses are dear to them - we still have nothing to lose.
    It really is
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    2. Hayer31 Offline Hayer31
      Hayer31 (Kashchei) 31 December 2021 20: 48
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      We have nothing to lose ??? Who is this for us ??? The oligarchs have a lot to lose, and they rule the banquet. And the common people who have nothing to lose are never asked, everywhere it is.
  2. boriz Online boriz
    boriz (boriz) 31 December 2021 17: 34
    +6
    I would like to draw your attention to the format of the negotiations. USA, Russia, NATO.
    The United States is separate from NATO. It seems to me that when NATO does not accept the demand of the Russian Federation, the United States will say: "Do you have a desire to fight? Fight, but without us." The United States distances itself in advance from the heroism of Estonia and Iceland. The United States has its own serious problems, they will have to be solved together with the Russian Federation and China (and China, let me remind you, supported the demands of Russia). NATO makes no sense without the United States.
    1. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
      Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 31 December 2021 17: 55
      +1
      You're right. We incorporated this into our demands by separate treaties with the United States and NATO, and the United States did not demand reformatting. This distance gives them the freedom to maneuver.
      As for the threat of nuclear weapons from our side to the States, it allows Biden to save face in front of an internal audience when (if) he backs down.
    2. Khaertdinov Radik (Radik Khaertdinov) 1 January 2022 17: 33
      +1
      USA is the helmsman of NATO! If the United States accepts the demand of the Russian Federation, then NATO will accept it! Unless, of course, the "undercover" games of the United States begin ... Then it seems like the United States accepts, but NATO does not ... But de jure and de facto NATO are US satellites!)
      1. boriz Online boriz
        boriz (boriz) 1 January 2022 19: 16
        -1
        The United States began to have financial problems and they will continue to worsen. They will have to remove NATO from the allowance. Different positions in relation to Russia can be a convenient pretext.
  3. Teaser Offline Teaser
    Teaser (Vasiliy) 31 December 2021 18: 10
    -13
    Quote: Alexey Davydov
    Someone would have been waiting for another.
    This means that we need to CREATE such a threat to the States that they would readily and enthusiastically seize on all our demands.

    Call the green men from Alpha Centauri for help?

    As a matter of fact, we need to start a nuclear war against the master of NATO with full determination and confidence that we have no alternatives. As Khrushchev did in 1962. And to do this even before negotiations.

    The otvetka will arrive and that's all - to heaven! wassat

    Let them stop and persuade us, if their asses are dear to them - we still have nothing to lose.
    It really is

    What, nothing to lose at all? Don't you feel sorry for your children too? Your children will also go to heaven. Don't you give a damn about that?
    And then 200-300 million Chinese volunteers will come, clean up the nuclear debris with your remains - and expand the area of ​​Great China to the territory that was once Russia. Is that what you want?
    "They forgot to lock the door in ward # 6 ..."
    1. Eduard Aplombov Offline Eduard Aplombov
      Eduard Aplombov (Eduard Aplombov) 31 December 2021 19: 05
      +5
      that is, you propose to take cookies from the hands of the West and forget about the safety and independence of Russia as a subject
      the logic of the pan, which is offended how the West bought them and turned them into slaves, appointing clowns to the presidency, do you want to share humiliation with us?
      1. Teaser Offline Teaser
        Teaser (Vasiliy) 31 December 2021 19: 42
        -12
        Do citizens of European countries feel like slaves to the United States? French people? Germans? Italians? Danes? British? Swedes, Norwegians, Finns? And others, etc.?
        Do they feel humiliated by the US, offended by the US?
        Did Skabeeva tell you this yesterday? Or Solovyov with Kiselyov? laughing
        Do you ask these citizens first? wink Be very surprised! lol
        1. Eduard Aplombov Offline Eduard Aplombov
          Eduard Aplombov (Eduard Aplombov) 31 December 2021 20: 11
          +5
          do not try to be smarter and more informed than others, the United States hates practically all developed countries, ordinary people, even in America itself, the situation is on the verge of a civil
          but it's not about the allies of the United States, but about the Sumerians, who are consumables for them
          do not distort, the usa or their global corporations are not at all interested in the life of ordinary people
        2. Khaertdinov Radik (Radik Khaertdinov) 1 January 2022 17: 45
          +3
          And you ask the French and the Germans! The United States threw the French with a contract for the supply of submarines to Australia ... The Franks "swallowed" ...!))) tantamount to "tripping" the German economy! The French and Germans are not slaves! But their governments are HOLUIE USA!)))
    2. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
      Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 31 December 2021 20: 04
      +4
      If the States deal with Russia and China, they will reformat the rest of the world without resistance. On the agenda of the masters of the world is the reduction of the world's population. Hitler's Germany with its concentration camps will seem like a child's play in a sandbox, and most likely you, me, along with our children, and other "superfluous" peoples will be disposed of in a global digital concentration camp.
      My fate and the fate of my daughter, as well as of millions of other Russians, is connected with the fate of Russia, the population of which the West will get rid of in the first place.
      Thus, we really have no other choice than Russia.
      As for the threat to the States, our nuclear weapons are in the hands of a country that has nothing to lose, I think COMPLETELY CONVINCING
  4. 1_2 Offline 1_2
    1_2 (Ducks are flying) 31 December 2021 19: 44
    +3
    The United States understands that Banderstan does not have long to exist, so it ponders making such statements so as not to lose its credibility in the world. at the same time, they say that countries themselves solve their problems with the Russian Federation
  5. Teaser Offline Teaser
    Teaser (Vasiliy) 31 December 2021 22: 15
    -5
    Quote: Eduard Aplombov
    do not distort, the usa or their global corporations are not at all interested in the life of ordinary people

    - And Sechin and Miller only think about the life of ordinary Russians! Do not sleep at night! lol
    1. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
      Ulysses (Alexey) 1 January 2022 15: 49
      +4
      And Sechin and Miller only think about the life of ordinary Russians! Do not sleep at night! lol

      It's amazing when the citizens of Israel are concerned about this.
      I personally did not authorize these citizens to think for my life.

      PS Tell us about the rich people of Israel who only think about the life of ordinary Israelis.
      It will be curious to read. lol
  6. Teaser Offline Teaser
    Teaser (Vasiliy) 31 December 2021 22: 26
    -10
    Quote: Alexey Davydov
    If the States deal with Russia and China, they will reformat the rest of the world without resistance.

    You are sitting in the cellar, right ?! The United States has almost completely withdrawn from world affairs, China is becoming the world hegemon, so contact Beijing - will you be allowed to live from there or not.

    On the agenda of the masters of the world is the reduction of the world's population. Hitler's Germany with its concentration camps will seem like a child's play in a sandbox, and most likely you, me, along with our children, and other "superfluous" peoples will be disposed of in a global digital concentration camp.

    What kind of "digital concentration camp" can there be in Uryupinsk if they plan to turn off the Internet there? And they plan to turn it off not from Washington, but from Moscow! laughing So that you do not conspire against the central government there to rebel.

    My fate and the fate of my daughter, as well as of millions of other Russians, is connected with the fate of Russia, the population of which the West will get rid of in the first place.

    HOW?? HOW?! How can an out-of-mind Biden suddenly get rid of you and your daughter? Skabeeva told you that. Lying - Biden has no mechanism to get to you.

    Thus, we really have no other choice than Russia.

    If you want to die, declare war on the USA and NATO.

    As for the threat to the States, our nuclear weapons are in the hands of a country that has nothing to lose, I think COMPLETELY CONVINCING

    So not a single dog even thinks to attack you. It’s you who are giving Biden an ultimatum, it’s not you. And pay attention to one nuance: why the former republics of the USSR and the countries of the Warsaw Pact all together, in a race, rushed to join NATO and the EU ?? Why is no one eager to join the CSTO ?? WHY?? - Ask yourself a question ?!
    You cannot answer this question. Ask your daughter - maybe she will tell you the answer ?!
    1. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
      Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 31 December 2021 22: 53
      +6
      I am not a psychiatrist, I cannot help you with anything. Unfortunately
  7. Teaser Offline Teaser
    Teaser (Vasiliy) 31 December 2021 22: 31
    -9
    Quote: boriz
    The United States is confident that there is no need to take into account the opinion of Russia or any other state in matters of other countries joining NATO. This was announced on December 30 by one of the representatives of the American presidential administration.

    Have you read the article?
    Or read, but did not understand anything? The US refused to comply with Putin's ultimatum.
    1. General Black Offline General Black
      General Black (Gennady) 1 January 2022 11: 03
      +1
      The US refused to comply with Putin's ultimatum.

      Is this the whole tragedy of the situation? Well, you can't expect anything else from the Americans. Russia is dealing with the America that is, at the moment. There is no other America for Russia yet.
    2. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
      Ulysses (Alexey) 1 January 2022 16: 13
      -1
      Have you read the article?
      Or read, but did not understand anything? The US refused to comply with Putin's ultimatum.

      You are a disgrace to your nation, which is considered to be quite clever homosapiens.

      Refused and to hell with them.
      No one expected anything else.
      Russia has just completed the necessary formalities. repeat
      1. DV tam 25 Offline DV tam 25
        DV tam 25 (DV tam 25) 3 January 2022 12: 59
        0
        Sly - yes. Insidious - yes. Dodgy - too, yes. Smart? Undoubtedly, their rational activity is very high. Therefore, you rightly said - smart enough. It's right. And that's all.
  8. Siegfried Offline Siegfried
    Siegfried (Gennady) 1 January 2022 12: 43
    +1
    Well, NATO with this statement changed the narrative "Russia wants to attack Ukraine in order to restore the dream of the USSR" to "Russia is forced to act because NATO is aggressively threatening." Now, if anything, it will be easier for Russia to enforce peace. Western societies will not have that support for retaliatory actions, and all the dire consequences for the West from Russia's sanctions and countermeasures will provoke a protest. Moreover, there will be no support for the war for Ukraine itself.
  9. Teaser Offline Teaser
    Teaser (Vasiliy) 1 January 2022 13: 03
    -6
    Quote: Alexey Davydov
    I am not a psychiatrist, I cannot help you with anything. Unfortunately

    You propose starting a nuclear war with the United States, and above you said that the life and fate of your daughter are dear to you. Will you choose one thing - or the life of your daughter, or start a nuclear war with the United States? It won't work together.
    1. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
      Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 1 January 2022 15: 52
      0
      Emotional and inadequate responses indicate a truly vulnerable spot in your masters. This is what we should do
    2. DV tam 25 Offline DV tam 25
      DV tam 25 (DV tam 25) 3 January 2022 13: 01
      0
      What are you grinding? In this war, everyone will burn. If suddenly for some reason you survive, then judging by your qualities that you show here, not for long. You will be shot as useless.
  10. boriz Online boriz
    boriz (boriz) 1 January 2022 16: 35
    +2
    I would not take to heart what some 379th clerk of the Biden administration said, who was not even named. For whom he said this and for what purpose, we do not know.
    Ukraine is constantly being told that in no case will they discuss their issues behind their backs. Yes, yes, of course, by no means ...
    So what? They do it all the time. Non-brothers after each negotiations between Putin and Biden enthusiastically discuss that Ukraine was the main topic of the negotiations. And they call them last.
  11. Teaser Offline Teaser
    Teaser (Vasiliy) 1 January 2022 16: 57
    -5
    Quote: Alexey Davydov
    Emotional and inadequate responses indicate a truly vulnerable spot in your masters. This is what we should do

    Okay, since you have no other choice, start a nuclear war with the United States. Just consult your daughter first. wink
    1. DV tam 25 Offline DV tam 25
      DV tam 25 (DV tam 25) 3 January 2022 13: 03
      0
      You may be shot twice.
  12. Igor Berg Offline Igor Berg
    Igor Berg (Igor Berg) 1 January 2022 18: 37
    -6
    And why does no one raise the question of why so many want to join NATO, and no one, or almost no one, to an alliance with honest, human, just, peace-loving Russia? Maybe something is wrong with the policy of the Russian Federation, the power in the Russian Federation?
    1. boriz Online boriz
      boriz (boriz) 1 January 2022 19: 18
      +6
      They want to join NATO as long as the US pays. The freebie will end, and the desire to join NATO will also disappear.
      Moreover, they say openly about the Balts that no one will fight for them.
      1. Igor Berg Offline Igor Berg
        Igor Berg (Igor Berg) 1 January 2022 20: 41
        -4
        They speak openly not about NATO members, but about all aspirants, partners and other types of partners.
        1. isofat Offline isofat
          isofat (isofat) 1 January 2022 21: 44
          +2
          Igorunya! Why are you sticking to a person. If a country is against NATO, the leadership in this country is changed in different ways.

          And there are enough circles that like NATO members. It seems to me that you, too, are not indifferent to NATO and its members ... laughing
          1. Igor Berg Offline Igor Berg
            Igor Berg (Igor Berg) 1 January 2022 22: 27
            -3
            No, I just don't like it when people post false information, or wishful thinking. drinks Happy New Year!
            1. isofat Offline isofat
              isofat (isofat) 1 January 2022 23: 39
              0
              Igor Berg! I believe you. That you don't like to cheat. Happy New Year! smile
        2. boriz Online boriz
          boriz (boriz) 2 January 2022 01: 57
          +2
          You are always chasing some kind of infantile nonsense.
          It is clear that at the level of official documents nothing will be said that contradicts the UN Charter. But for this there are media and statements of even officials, so that everything becomes clear and understandable. Even Ursula von der Leyen (when he was a Defense Ministry) said that Germany would not build up its armed forces even if the Russian Federation was stationed Iskanders in the Kaliningrad region, because sees no threat from Russia. They do not plan to defend themselves, to say nothing of the Balts. Experts simply speak directly about the lack of NATO's intentions to protect the Balts. They are used for informal leakage of intentions. This is a common practice.
          Officially, the WB gave Poland guarantees in 1939. Was it easier for Poland?
          Officially, Israel has no nuclear weapons. This did not stop Golda Meir from saying that nuclear weapons, of course, do not exist, but if necessary, Israel will use it immediately.
          Serious NATO countries simply dream that someone will save them from a pack of small inadequacies, which out of the blue are heating up the situation to a dangerous level.
    2. Adler77 Offline Adler77
      Adler77 (Denis) 2 January 2022 14: 37
      -1
      Money…
      Who wants? First of all, the elites of these countries, the elites that grew up during the deification of the West and often illegally enriched themselves. They order music in the media, which promote the ideology of the "promised land".
      Some hope to hide there with money, while others dream of going there to work and stay there forever, I think that they will be trampled there or thinking that it is still better there than in their countries ... this is true for the entire post of the USSR and even more. The whole world is doing to go west and catch on there.
      And Russia ... this is also one of the countries overcoming the consequences of endless wars, revolutions, riots directed both from outside and from within ...
      In any case, it has more resources than many countries in the world, and this helps not to fall completely and even to rebel against the pressure of the collective West.