Why should Russia beat Ukraine if there are more effective goals - a variant of the development of events

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In the light of the latest proposals on ensuring security in Europe, which came from the Russian leadership to the United States and NATO, and for some reason called an "ultimatum to the West", there is only talk everywhere, and not so much about the Russian proposals themselves, but about what this will happen if this very West does not react properly. And this burning question now worries the minds of analysts and journalists around the world, not excluding Russia itself. It is well known that Putin, unlike many of his foreign "colleagues in the workshop", does not throw words to the wind, and if he has already begun to speak with "sworn Western partners" in such a harsh language as never before, it means that he has reasons for this there are probably the most compelling ones, and even with a safety net ... Just the other day, the Zircons were launched from the ship in a salvo.

A salvo of hypersonic missiles. For the rest of the world, this phrase is still generally from the realm of fantasy, so this "rest of the world" has a reason to think about it. Not only about the "Zircons", although about them too, but most importantly - over the Russian proposals for joint common security. Although something tells me, and not only me, that even after that our Western "partners" will not come to their senses, and will not want to get down from the top of their imaginary world. That is, according to numerous forecasts, the response of the Americans, and they decide everything unambiguously, will be negative. In what form it will be presented is another question. They can, as already mentioned, start "blurring" the negotiation process, they can "switch the arrows" - they say, NATO partners are against (some kind of Estonia or Poland), or they can pretend that they do not understand what they are talking about ... all, however, are just variations of the word "no." And then it will be necessary to act. But as?



This is what worries everyone.

Some, first of all, European uneducated figures, paint a certain picture with the invasion of Ukraine by gigantic tank wedges, accompanied by thousands of Russian soldiers, from their last strength to fight with the help of American Javelins and Turkish Bayraktars, there will be valiant Ukrainian warriors, whose unenviable fate, nevertheless, it is still a foregone conclusion. Apparently, they are haunted by their own wet dreams about the once failed blitzkrieg. Well, yes, and also all these phrases about "coffins for thousands of Russian soldiers" ... They would very much like this, but they are unlikely to wait - there are far from stupid people in the Kremlin, you don't need to measure everyone by yourself, dear Westerners policy... There won't be any tank wedges with coffins, but technique stands where it stands, precisely so that everyone can see her there. And they did not relax too much - the GDP promised to keep all enemies in suspense, and so it does. So I would not seriously consider the option with a large-scale ground attack on Ukraine a la World War II.

There are versions with the deployment of our strike systems somewhere closer to the territory of the United States itself, a response threat, so to speak. Here, theoretically, some Latin American states - Cuba, Nicaragua and Venezuela - that are friendly to us, or rather hostile to the States, could come into account. The latter, however, is already far away for a direct threat, but planes can be placed there - the Swans have even been trained ... But the placement of missiles, planes or even ships somewhere far away means that it is necessary to create full-fledged military bases there. All three above-mentioned states are located on the American continent, that is, overseas, and, unfortunately, we are not yet in control of the oceans. The full-scale supply of such bases exclusively by air, in the event of a naval blockade, for example, is extremely difficult and unrealistic on a long-term basis. It is still problematic for us to have bases in America, if not to say a little realistically. Until the program for the development of the Russian Navy is fully implemented, and this is definitely not tomorrow ... Such trifles as the consent of not very reliable local leaders is another question, but also a question.

There is also a choice of various options for aerial attacks by the Russian Aerospace Forces with various options for dismembering Ukraine after them. And then, naturally, with the instant suffocation of the Russian economics a mass of new "tsar - sanctions" and similar horrors, plus the strengthening of NATO contingents along the entire length of the eastern borders of the alliance ... If we cleanse it of various journalistic "husks", then it is a very realistic plan. Its apogee, possibly, will include the deployment of our strategic missiles in Belarus - Father himself said that he agreed in advance.

But in all these scenarios, something seems to be missing, something that can really change the balance in the world. Instantly. But this is exactly what, in my opinion, Putin has in mind, acting and speaking now in exactly this way. Moreover, Deputy Foreign Minister Alexander Grushko, in my opinion, he was, spoke in the style that in case of refusal to comply with Russian conditions, the United States, they say, will be very much and unpleasantly surprised. And also that Russia's response will be military and military-technical literally.

And why, in fact, no one in this sense at all considers the possibility of a non-nuclear strike on the territory of the United States or the European NATO countries? Indeed, the Russian requirements also include the withdrawal of US offensive weapons from the territory of the "eastern" members of the Alliance. And if the Americans refuse, then? ... Aegis launchers are already in Romania and Poland. And everyone understands that the transition of these silos from the function of "anti-missile defense" to the state for the use of attack cruise missiles is technically laid down in them in advance. That is, this is precisely the kind of offensive weapons of the United States that threaten us near our borders. But everyone, it seems, is absolutely sure that the GDP has little guts for this - after all, the territory of NATO, protected by their Fifth Article, and even an American object ...
And if not thin? And if there is insurance, in case of what? It is not for nothing that the Chinese comrades have already supported all of our president's actions in relation to NATO in advance. I propose to consider this seemingly crazy option nevertheless closer. From the point of view of what he can bring us. Maybe it won't seem so crazy afterwards. And the Americans, as Grushko promised, will be so surprised they will be so surprised! Naturally, they will have to be warned, about ten to fifteen minutes in advance, according to the "Iranian version", so to speak, so that people are removed from these facilities. And also that we are acting in accordance with the previously put forward ultimatum, sorry, the conditions for NATO that it refused to fulfill, and in the event of a prudent lack of a direct military response from the United States, there will be no further attacks. Till. It is Gerasimov who will inform Milli by phone when the Zircons or something similar will already fly.


Aegis missile defense system in Romania

I personally have never seen a hypersonic missile test. But I saw others, older. And in general, I can quite vividly imagine how something like this with a speed of 10 km / h strikes a stationary ground target about the size of a destroyer superstructure. In the end, it is practically she herself, only on land. The spectacle must be absolutely enchanting! And the psychological impact on the audience is heartbreakingly murderous. After such impressions, few people will want to take part in hostilities against the side from where something like that came from. For completeness of the described picture, it is necessary to add that right before the hit of a Russian missile, which no one in the world is able to stop in any way, into the American anti-missile system "Aegis", from it in all directions, headlong, on improvised vehicles and on foot will be absolute panic to flee the American servicemen. As the recent events in Kabul have shown, they can do this. For this, of course, it would be good to prepare in advance, so that it would be like and to whom all the action was “accidentally” filmed from different angles, and then shown to the whole world on TV. They say, they say, that modern Europeans and Americans are not afraid of war, because they have never seen it - so let them see it in real life, right at home ...

After such a medial blow, the Americans will see Afghanistan as a slight embarrassment, such as Biden's exhaust in the presence of the British queen. The third world war, which everyone is so afraid of, will not start. I believe in Putin, I always listen to him attentively, and I proceed from his own words. The destruction of a ground-based launcher, especially without casualties (if possible, we did everything for this) is hardly worse than the sinking of an entire warship in the Black Sea, and this is exactly what the president spoke about. And he also said that if a fight was inevitable, he had to hit first. What is not such a blow? Moreover, it will be a blow against the NATO bloc itself, which this bloc will definitely not withstand - who needs such security? And so that the hegemon and his especially zealous companions do not suddenly have stupid thoughts in the heat of the moment, it is necessary to simultaneously raise a couple of planes into the air, including those with "Daggers" and, for example, surface a serious underwater missile carrier somewhere in the right place. After that, Ukraine can simply be offered to surrender peacefully or make its security infrastructure the next target. Something tells me that we will quickly come to an agreement with Ukraine and a new, very independent and even more friendly to the Russian government will emerge there than even in fraternal Belarus, which will take some time to learn the Ukrainian language, at least for decency.

In the event of a collapse of NATO, I think that soon the problems with sanctions and Nord Stream will also be forgotten. And the US troops, as a result, will leave the European continent altogether. Thus, we will resolve the issue of European security for a long time, which is what Russia is striving for.

Well, yes, the reader will say, it is somehow too similar to the well-known program for the rapid development of small towns called "Moscow - Vasyuki", the author is Comrade O. Bender. Maybe. But in 1990, I certainly would not have believed that in a year my great Motherland - the USSR would not become, in 2013 I could not even imagine that Crimea would return to Russia, and a year ago similar statements from our Ministry of Foreign Affairs and personally from the President appeared I would be fiction, and not scientific. Who said that NATO is eternal and the United States is forever the hegemon?

No one. And nothing is impossible, as practice and my personal experience show. So why not take these Aegis out of the place where they bother us so much? And they will not fight with us anyway - they certainly have little guts, everyone has seen it ... In my opinion, it is a quite realistic plan, although it is quite bold.

In the end, I would like to add that all of the above is not the disclosure of some state secret, but only the author's personal opinion as an analyst not burdened with political responsibility, drawn up on the basis of publicly available information. And it is in this form that it should be viewed.
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  1. +3
    25 December 2021 10: 05
    Something tells me that it is not for nothing that China has a reliable engine for a fighter. And if we remember that China is not limited by the START treaty with the United States, then it is quite possible to imagine the basing there of unrestricted "analogues" of Russian intercontinental missiles. It can also be assumed that the Chinese industry, working in the fourth shift, helps the Russian industry to rivet wunderwales. Yes, a lot of things can be assumed.
    I am especially warmed by the thought that in the case of BP, a scenario is quite likely that all Russian weapons on the planet suddenly operate under a single command, whatever you call it.
    1. -1
      25 December 2021 17: 56
      I am especially warmed by the thought that in the case of BP, a scenario is quite likely that all Russian weapons on the planet suddenly operate under a single command, whatever you call it.



      Russia may have any number of nuclear suitcases and nuclear buttons, but since 500 of billions of dollars of the Russian elite are in our banks, you still figure it out: is it your elite or already ours? I do not see a single situation in which Russia will use its nuclear potential.
      Zbigniew Kazimierz Brzezinski.
  2. +8
    25 December 2021 10: 30
    Yes, Putin apparently has very strong trump cards, since he began to talk “from a position of strength” with the “hegemon” of all the earth, and this, of course, is not “cartoons” and inflatable tanks.
    1. -10
      25 December 2021 18: 02
      Yes, Putin apparently has very strong trump cards, since he started like this, "from a position of strength" ...

      Kaneshna, - "trump cards" a whole car. Instead of congratulating the electorate on the coming New Year, he spoke about the successful launch of Zircon.
      1. -3
        25 December 2021 22: 17
        Quote: Xuli (o) Tebenado
        a whole carriage.

        So the time before NG is also the same, and everyone heard what he wanted to hear
        1. -4
          26 December 2021 09: 01
          Yes, yes, normal people wanted to hear good wishes to the music, and the knocked-down people heard about a nuclear land mine that would fly to the United States in a few seconds.
          1. +6
            26 December 2021 11: 14
            Is it bad news to know that a "nuclear mine" will definitely reach its destination, and this "place" is clearly reminded of this, and that, I hope, should sober some, who are too confident in their own hegemony ?! Isn't that good wishes for us? The inevitability of punishment is the most effective way to overcome crimes!
            1. -4
              26 December 2021 12: 37
              The inevitability of punishment is the most effective way to overcome crimes!

              Joke about the elusive Joe to remind?
              1. 0
                28 December 2021 02: 51
                Remind me ... I really don't really understand what Joe has to do with it ?! Let him sleep;) And Russia is not a fish, but a fisherman! She catches, not her! Don't you confuse us with your durkaina ?!
    2. -4
      26 December 2021 09: 38
      He brought NATO to its knees by mentioning a salvo of 3M22 missiles.
  3. +10
    25 December 2021 10: 47
    The script is interesting and unexpected. Respect for the author for the courage of thought! However, will it not be possible to achieve the desired effect simply by declaring that if the indicated bases are not dismantled before such and such a number, they will be destroyed? They will not be able to prepare to repel an attack in the allotted time. And the US military knows this. They will impose sanctions in both cases. Yes, they will be able to use the allotted time for media processing, including the residents of our country. First of all, they will be intimidated by nuclear war. But they will intimidate their own too. But then the American voter will ask, what is all this for? When it comes to your own skin, you will realize that neither Ukraine nor the military installations in Poland and Romania are worth dying. It will be easy for our people to explain the logic of the ultimatum. By the way, maybe that's why the VVP and the Foreign Ministry are so insistently saying that the draft agreements are not an ultimatum? Because the real ultimatum is ahead. How do you like this option?
    1. +4
      25 December 2021 13: 35
      Thank you for the assessment, but the option with a warning, and then like an ultimatum, I think will not work - firstly, the effect will not be the same, and secondly, threats to threats are already weak ... In a fight, "when you have to hit first," this just doesn't work ... I also remember it well from my childhood and Soviet streets, though not in St. Petersburg hi
      1. +1
        25 December 2021 13: 53
        Well, no, there will still be a blow - American politicians will not back down. However, there will be less likelihood of a nuclear war. And the effect may be even stronger - the expectation of punishment in this case will be worse than the punishment itself. The boy said - the boy did, he was not afraid of threats. This will be a knockdown.
        1. +4
          25 December 2021 14: 18
          I will not argue, although I do not agree wink But still I would like to hope that somehow without any blows it will turn out to achieve their goals ... And with all my "hawkish" insides.
          Although I myself, frankly speaking, have little faith in these hopes ...
          1. -1
            26 December 2021 00: 46
            Many hats of the 1905 model were sewn. Without taking into account the current state of the Russian Aerospace Forces. They are practically without reconnaissance, almost without AWACS and U systems, without electronic warfare aircraft. The Diaghilev regiment of tankers of refueling tankers is dismantled. 3M22 is only tested against stationary targets, with previously known coordinates.
            1. +4
              26 December 2021 13: 31
              There are problems everywhere. And what you write is likely to be the case too. And our "partners" sworn about all this are also probably informed.
              But they are even better informed about how much and what they themselves actually fly and float, from what they have ...
              1. -2
                26 December 2021 14: 20
                Read carefully, without rushing, the newspaper Krasnaya Zvezda. The gradually dwindling Army forum. And best of all, have a confidential talk with the military personnel of the Aerospace Forces. Learn more. And in more detail.

                And there are some problems with that.

                We have more problems, they are bigger. Pay attention to the state of the Air Force reconnaissance, military transport aviation, AWACS and U. whether aviation anti-ship missiles.
                1. +2
                  26 December 2021 15: 07
                  You are right that you cannot overestimate yourself, yes. And, I repeat, there are a lot of problems too. But their mass is everywhere and always. And not only at the RF Armed Forces, believe me.
                  To be honest, I am not very aware of the details of what is there and how in Russia now with the army, I have long come out of these details.
                  But I can accurately describe how things were in the late 80s and early 90s, but even then THEY WERE AFRAID OF US. They were terribly afraid. And this information is directly from the then NATO officers. And what now you can't even imagine - these are politicians in Europe who are chanting all sorts of nonsense, but the military, real, personnel, are quietly holding their heads ... And I just mean that this moment must be used and must not, in no way miss out!
                  And the GDP apparently understands this
                  1. -3
                    26 December 2021 16: 07
                    And not only in the RF Armed Forces, believe me.

                    About faith, not to me.

                    To be honest, I am not very aware of the details of what is there and how in Russia now with the army, I have long come out of these details.

                    He gave an example not of details, but of the most common factors.

                    But I can accurately describe how things were in the late 80s and early 90s, but even then THEY WERE AFRAID OF US. They were terribly afraid.

                    Then they had reason to be afraid. There was not such an impressive shortage of officers and warrant officers. There were two academies, named after Gagarin and named after Zhukovsky. There were normal schools. There was even a poor reserve of the Air Force.

                    And this information is directly from the then NATO officers.

                    It is doubtful that when they see you for the first time, they are so frank. And everyone spoke Russian. laughing

                    These are politicians in Europe who are chanting all sorts of nonsense, but the military, real, personnel, quietly hold on to their heads ..

                    I apologize, you don’t need to tell me stories.

                    And I just mean that this moment must be used and must not, must not be missed!
                    And the GDP apparently understands this

                    To seize the moment, you need to be ready for it. The Syrian sky thoroughly knocked out the resource from the IAS, from the VTA. And our ARZs .... You know what they are. The basis of the VKS is Strategic, Long-range Aviation, VTA. In what state is it everybody knows. Problems, to put it mildly, with the trained reserve of the aerospace forces, and not only with the flight crew. We need ready-made operational, reserve, reserve aerodromes, and ATB.
                    1. 0
                      26 December 2021 16: 49
                      You already have faith in whom what, etc., in many respects I do not agree, but you are clearly not indifferent person, so I will answer in a personal. And at the same time, how do I know. This is not here
                      1. -3
                        26 December 2021 16: 52
                        And at the same time, how do I know

                        I'm not interested in this; the text is enough for me.
        2. -1
          25 December 2021 18: 10
          Well, no, there will still be a blow - American politicians will not back down.

          I remember how the USA "divorced" the CCSR with "Star Wars" well: they drew cartoons, and the elders from the Politburo of the CPSU Central Committee took these cartoons at face value and began to prepare "countermeasures".

          It all ended with a powerful knockdown exactly 30 years ago: the first and last president of the USSR was kicked out of the Kremlin, and the red flag with a hammer and sickle was lowered down.
          1. -4
            26 December 2021 16: 10
            There are so many problems of economic and interethnic accumulation that even without the fabulous star wars, a lot fell down. In 1985, the economies of the PRC and the USSR differed noticeably, in favor of the USSR. That is why the Central Committee of the CPC has such a low opinion of our leadership.
      2. -2
        25 December 2021 16: 25
        Quote: Pyshenkov
        but the option with a warning

        Anything can happen - they are waiting for us from the sea on a ship, and we are to them from the Nevada desert on skis.
        1. -2
          25 December 2021 16: 32
          ... well, but how to run to Nevada with these skis unnoticed? wink
          1. -2
            25 December 2021 18: 18
            There is only one way out: it is necessary to dig an underground tunnel from Kaliningrad to Nevada. laughing While the tunnel is being built, it is urgent to make skis for movement on hard surfaces. lol
  4. 0
    25 December 2021 11: 31
    In short, the classic American version ... if you do not have democracy ... then we go to you ..
  5. +3
    25 December 2021 11: 32
    Yes, I feel the third world war, we will still untie it with such predictions)
    I would be incredibly pleased if we first attacked the American and English bases in Ukraine and immediately destroyed everything that flies, floats or crawls, but crossed our border
    Instead of throwing bombs along the course and begging him to change
    After that, you can talk about their other bases in Europe, if they themselves don't understand and don't clean up ..
    1. -2
      25 December 2021 18: 41
      if we first attacked the American and English bases in Ukraine and would destroy at once everything that flies, floats or crawls

      The gut will be a bit thin: to destroy the bases + all of the above, Russia will not have enough conventional weapons; the use of nuclear weapons will lead to unpredictable consequences.
      Conclusion: you please delirium.
    2. 0
      28 December 2021 01: 35
      And the choice is small: either we will untie it, or they. Do you think they just build bases in Ukraine?
  6. -3
    25 December 2021 11: 46
    There are no such textiles in the current Kremlin. All their money is in Western banks. Rather, they will hit the notorious Voronezh, there are none of them for sure.
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  7. +3
    25 December 2021 12: 42
    I think this is exactly what it will be - a strike with non-nuclear missiles on American facilities in Romania, Poland and the Czech Republic. If this does not bring the penguins to their senses, the next strikes will follow already at the places of deployment of heavy equipment in the Baltic States. If it does not succeed in this case, then blows will fall on the American "instructors" in Ukraine.
    1. 0
      25 December 2021 14: 01
      ... there are no percussion systems in the Czech Republic. For now, at least. They wanted to put "eyes and ears" for these "Aegises" at a training ground in the Brdskoye Highlands, but the people were very strongly opposed to such an outright violation of the constitution - there is a ban on foreign military bases on the territory of the country. The teachings are passing - yes. In the Brno area, too, a radar has been installed for a long time, but it is not American, but within the framework of NATO, of which the Czech Republic is a member, as well as with local personnel.
      And if my version still comes true, then I think no further blows will definitely be required. Penguins, they understand everything so very well. soldier
      1. +1
        25 December 2021 14: 25
        NATO radar is generally a priority target.
        1. +5
          25 December 2021 14: 56
          ... strategically yes, but it does not fit into the ultimatum about strike systems. This is an important, but passive object. And the GDP does everything very clearly. You can't do drums - so we remove them ...
    2. +2
      25 December 2021 14: 36
      ... that's exactly what it will be - ...

      Always surprised by such a naive assumption that in response, nothing "will not fall", according to the principle "and we have something for that." One might think that the Americans, NATO or other blocs, together, would never think of striking the decision-making centers.
      Although, by the way, they are useless, it is enough to strike blows on the industrial and densely populated regions. And the "centers" can be left to make further decisions, because both there and there are capitalist ravens and they will not peck out each other's eyes, but the "slaves" will definitely crack their forelocks.
      If we put NATO and the CSTO on the scales, then the first rival military bloc not only multiplied by zero, but also grew by itself.
      Who can guarantee that Russia will not give its new allied bloc in a couple of years an elegant penal again and will not send it on a walking trip, this time not to Washington, but somewhere to Beijing?
      For American instructors in Ukraine it was necessary to work twenty years, and maybe thirty years ago. So "nenku" was not just abandoned at one time, but sold corny, and not for dear. And now they portray something to be guilty. After all, everything is going according to a plan that was quite obvious thirty years ago.
      1. +3
        25 December 2021 14: 58
        In many ways, Gleb, you are certainly right. But if it "falls down" in response, then this is already the Third World War, and we still proceed from the presence of the remnants of common sense in our gender-modified "partners".
        1. 0
          26 December 2021 16: 20
          If everything is fine with their common sense, they will simply be obliged to comply with their obligations under various treaties, so the missile raid, regardless of gender modifications, will in no way go unanswered. Everyone realizes that it is necessary to somehow decide "on the shore" where, why and what then. This "later" may no longer exist for many, it does not matter at all where. Both the "Kremlin" and the "Washington" ones will surely find and survive in time.
          After all, for at least a quarter of a century in Ukraine, what has now, in principle, already entered the final stage, was being built, when suddenly the Kremlin "woke up" and suddenly realized that they had "nowhere to retreat". The time of arrival of missiles, a weak argument, from the Baltic States they could fly even faster. About "their" in the people's republics, too, somehow it does not really roll. They may be their own, but tobacco, as they say, has long been apart. And even more money. There was an opportunity with one stroke of the pen, back in 2014, to solve this problem. Instead of the legendary bridge, money could be invested in other infrastructures of at least "eastern" Ukraine, and it would be much more efficient and the issue would be closed. But they stopped without taking a decisive step. So it seems that internal processes in the Russian Federation itself play a greater role.
          The main thing here is not to bend the stick, otherwise it will not seem a little to anyone.
          1. +2
            26 December 2021 17: 24
            It won't seem a little to us if we don't do anything with them now. And about contracts and so forth - don't tell my slippers! When did they observe any agreements, if it was against their grain ???
            1. 0
              27 December 2021 01: 40
              ... about contracts and so forth - don't tell my slippers.

              What funny slippers. laughing Fine! As one local expert said, this is how everyone did it. laughing If, of course, they can afford it. What did the VD countries do in 68 and where did they go in the 90s?
              1. +1
                27 December 2021 13: 31
                We passed them. Vile and shameful. To my own shame and regret.
                But they surrendered when the country was already on its knees. And, unfortunately, this was not the first time in our history. And this cannot be repeated. As historical experience shows, it is very difficult to return it all with blood and sweat.
                To break is not to build. The WD signed the death sentence in 1989 with the surrender of the GDR. Then everything started rolling by itself ...
                1. 0
                  27 December 2021 21: 07
                  What to expect from them now? Open arms in the style of "understand and forgive" does not roll. request There were colossal shocks and they will haunt for a long time.
                  The red line, to devastation, was finally crossed in the Baltic States and it did not roll by itself, it was rolled deliberately and purposefully.
                  1. 0
                    27 December 2021 21: 48
                    Naturally - in all of Eastern Europe, where there were some serious enterprises, they were either bought cheaply and made tail branches of Western concerns, or they were destroyed and closed.
                    And in the Russian Federation it went exactly the same way, the country just looks very big, so quickly they did not have time to completely destroy and pull apart everything - no one expected that such a bummer in the form of GDP would be drawn. And the Czechs, Slovaks, Balts, etc., do not have their own GDP
    3. -5
      25 December 2021 18: 47
      non-nuclear missile strike

      Russia does not have that many missiles. Nooo.
      Leave the penguins alone, it is better to make life in Russia at least a little similar to the Czech one. Not so long ago there were tasks in terms of living standards for Portugal to catch up and overtake. Have you caught up?
      1. +6
        25 December 2021 19: 01
        The concept of a standard of living in real life is not made up of numbers, or rather, not only of them. And if life in Russia is similar to Czech life, you will be the first to go nuts ... To live like Czechs or Dutch you have to be them, and Russians and Russians in general, in the overwhelming majority of them, will not really like it at all. They can withstand the maximum for half a year ... Believe me, I have lived in many places.
        It is we from the USSR that once looked to the West and saw there only blue jeans, cool cars and Japanese tape recorders. And how they themselves got to this capitalist "paradise" in the 90s, so something quickly fell out of favor ...
        1. -3
          25 December 2021 22: 22
          To live like the Czechs or the Dutch, you have to be them, and the overwhelming majority of Russians and Russians in general will not like it at all in reality.

          The conclusion is this: the inhabitants of Russia live the way they deserve.
          After all, they are Russians, that's why their life is Russian. We must come to terms with this and take it for granted.
          1. +2
            26 December 2021 13: 26
            Well, the conclusion is generally correct. Although you again clearly evaluate this life from a material point of view exclusively - and I mean that you would like to HAVE what the average Czech or Dutchman is, but LIVE the way they live, behave the way they behave, buy that what they buy, follow the rules that they follow, etc., and so on, you would definitely not like it ...
            If you ask why I am so sure of this, I draw a psychological conclusion from that chase, which you clearly proudly invented for yourself ... Well, you shouldn't be a Czech or a Dutchman, even if you crack!
            And it's not even about the language, and I'm not at all offended, it's just that the mentality is not the same

            I’m already silent that in large Russian cities the incomes of average Czechs have long been surpassed, but there is still no such life ... Why would that be?
        2. 0
          26 December 2021 17: 00
          Withstand a maximum of this half a year ...

          And what is so terrible there? laughing
          To know how the Czechs actually live, one has to live with them, share salt and bread, and not live side by side, observe and compare .. In an effort to arrange their lives better, all nations are alike. If about beer or vodka - a controversial issue. Discipline, so this too - you have a "core" everything will be fine, whether you are Czech, Dutch or Portuguese, or Russian.
          Theft, bribery and nepotism are not welcome anywhere, but they do occur, the scale is simply different.
          Why crap in Russia from Czech laws and customs, because there are enough of their own and vice versa. In general, there is nothing to go to a strange monastery with your own charter, they may be similar, but there are always nuances. Try to live in Chechnya with primordial Russian manners and traditions, if you succeed, then you will not be lost in the Czech Republic. Maybe "sit on the stove" in the middle lane, scold the authorities and wait for it to make you "nice", is that in Russian? So, too, no.
          1. +2
            26 December 2021 19: 03
            nothing terrible laughing just EVERYTHING, not worse or better, just different. They buy things differently, drive other cars (or want to drive), treat everything differently, and, for example, on such global topics, 99% do not speak - they do not understand what it is about. They are no better or worse, just different. They say here all the time that we, they say, will not succeed in China, they, they say, are completely different. And for me, an ordinary North Chinese is much closer to a Russian in mentality than the same Czech ... so why did they decide that they would not be able to live like the Chinese, but how can Czechs or Germans? Can not. And from some side life in Russia is even better, but from some side it is not ... You can't compare so stupidly
            1. 0
              27 December 2021 01: 57
              Things, rags are absolutely the same as Adidas, Armani, Nike and so on. Cars, too, Skoda, Fords, Volkswagens and Maybachs. However, everything is eaten with spoons and forks, and not with chopsticks. It would be necessary to be more careful with the northern Chinese, they are similar in mentality and the desire to live even further north is also insatiable. For rudeness, he will not yield either, but this good is enough in Europe. In recent years, the standard of living in Russia and Europe has relatively leveled off in many respects. I personally think that I have practically caught up, and in large cities in some places it is even higher, but the social security of the population is relatively low and weak.
              1. +2
                27 December 2021 13: 37
                You see - here they are no longer right. The average Czech does not need either Armani or Maybachi. And they don't even think about it. Adidas and Volkswagen are enough.
                And as for social security - now here, exclusively for political reasons and in the interests of someone somewhere very far away, energy prices have skyrocketed - the people have NO money to pay for it! NO! And who will socially protect everyone here ???
                Building materials have risen in price by exactly 2 times. What do you think someone will compensate?
                1. 0
                  27 December 2021 20: 04
                  I mean normal people with a profession, job and possibly a family. Young Europeans are no different from Russian youth in this regard, an expensive car on credit is easy. New iPhone too. Brand rags in the same way, they know, distinguish and naturally buy. Before those who have taken off, gas and gasoline are valuable; Those who need a car are swearing at the gas station, but so far everything is within limits. Moreover, prices always jump radically on holidays. Heating of private owners, both owners and renters, is also working so far. Heat in many regions is considered not in liters and cubic meters, but in Watts and Megawatts. So newer, more efficient equipment brings big savings. The state financially supports modernization. The recalculation of course will be, I suspect that you will have to pay extra. But it depends on the habits and lifestyle of each individual.
                  If someone cannot buy the latest iPhone for their child, but pays for "energy", I think that this is also not very critical. In general, it is obvious that everything will become more expensive, from buns to Maybachs with planes, including for export. This is where the experts need to find a balance. So what to do?
                  Oil seems to be not growing in price yet, even falling a little. For the new year, we promise up to + 16 ° С, so, God willing, we won't freeze. wink
                  I was in the Czech Republic recently, for three whole days. Travel from the firm - the bonus is thus paid. Good, cozy, beer is excellent, girls are nice, people are friendly. The roads are good. Not expensive. Liked. Fine.
                  Building materials have risen in price everywhere, not only in Europe.
  8. -1
    25 December 2021 14: 30
    Yes. I remember Hitler, too, saying that we attacked just to prevent the enemy from attacking.

    And it was the same with Japan - the Yapi captured foreign colonies, the United States imposed sanctions, the Yapi attacked ...

    And the United States beat Iraq because of a test tube of powder ... and in Vietnam - because their boats were not sailing there ...

    And Israel openly wets targets on the territory of Iran. (With Syria, Israel has been at war since a long time ago ...)
    1. +1
      25 December 2021 15: 03
      Well? ... So I'm talking about the fact that it's high time to adopt advanced experience, so to speak, and not answer, being faced with a fact. And then we have been learning from the West only shit lately ...
      And Hitler, by the way, did not have any real military-technical advantage at that time. Only he did not know about it - the intelligence did not work well. He himself later repented - he would not have attacked, they say, the Russians, if
      used to assume how many and what kind of tanks they have ... He said so himself.
      And we definitely have it.
      1. -3
        25 December 2021 18: 54
        And Hitler, by the way, then there was no real military-technical advantage... Only he did not know about it - the intelligence did not work well. He himself later repented - he would not have attacked, they say, the Russians, if
        b assumed how many and what kind of tanks they have ... He said so himself.

        1) Probably, due to the lack of an advantage, the war went on in the USSR for 3 years - from the summer of 41 to the summer of 44.
        2) I read some German memoirs: 3 German tanks shot a convoy of 10 Soviet ones, destroying 6 of them, and losing nothing at all except the shot cartridges.
        1. +2
          25 December 2021 21: 21
          1) the war went like this at first, not because of the technical or material superiority of Germany, but for the reason that even after several warnings, our command did not dare to strike the first blow. Although it was originally prepared for it, proceeding from all known facts ... But this is a different topic ... Now this cannot be repeated.
          By the way, it did not dare to launch an active defense either, they didn’t prepare for it, they all tried “not to provoke” ... And from this it is also necessary to draw conclusions from this today
          2) "some memoirs" ... strange wording ... Yes, it was. The German crews were really superior in training to ours. And, by the way, this is largely due to the fact that just a large part of the cadre army, due to strategic mistakes in the first year, was lost. And then the lieutenants were churned out in a month - and to the front, where can the aces come from? Who survived and later learned something himself an ace and became ... But, unfortunately, these are isolated cases ...
          And regarding material superiority, you even look at open sources - at the beginning of the Second World War, who had what and how much. Proceeding purely from numbers, the Germans could not even scoff according to all tactical laws. But the excellent training of their troops and, unfortunately, the fatal mistakes of our commanders (who are still praised in the Russian Federation at the level of God) led to what they led to.
          1. -2
            25 December 2021 22: 27
            1) I am only stating facts. And finding a lot of words in response is a trifling matter. Chatting with us all the masters, and for quite some time.

            2)
            The German crews were really superior in training to ours.

            And the point.
            1. +2
              26 December 2021 13: 20
              Each fact has its own story and reason for its appearance. And even if the correct facts are pulled out of context, as well as one sentence from the text, then no conclusions can be drawn from these facts.
              Brevity is not in every case of a seat of talent, more often there is simply nothing to say ...
    2. 0
      28 December 2021 01: 45
      Everything is true, except for one thing: the West has always attacked us far from its original borders. Therefore, it is better for him to keep quiet about self-defense. And we have a typical self-defense. We keep our troops within our borders.
  9. 0
    25 December 2021 14: 41
    Wow!! Sales in the goiter stopped breathing from such prospects .. What if the Americans are not scared? I really want to believe that the GDP will not disappoint ... And as for China, I would not flatter myself ... And in the confrontation between the USSR and the United States, China took the cream off. He is an ally according to the situation
    1. +2
      25 December 2021 15: 39
      I completely agree about China. But now it’s just the situation that the Celestial Communists are with us very much along the way. And they, in fact, from all this can also skim their own cream. And in the States they cannot fail to understand this. so let's hope we can do it ... wink
    2. 0
      28 December 2021 01: 47
      And it doesn't matter: they are scared, they are not scared. The only choice is whether to skip the first hit or hit yourself. War is inevitable, like in 41.
  10. +2
    25 December 2021 15: 11
    From all this, it is clear that the Americans played too much and lost their shores, now it is clearly time to return them to the reality that surrounds us all, while there is still such an opportunity.
  11. 0
    25 December 2021 15: 54
    Is there anyone who can burn down a house without taking the money out of the closet? First, the most valuable things are removed, then they are set on fire. Transoceanic people understand this and do not take it to heart. Everyone agrees what he will say, but you don’t need to believe, it’s such a little countdown - on the same porch sat the king, the prince, the king's prince, the shoemaker, the tailor, who will you be? Doesn't throw words to the wind. We will not raise it. We are not raising, it is you who are descending.
    1. -2
      25 December 2021 22: 05
      Isn't it a Russian proverb "Barn burned down, burn down and hut"? It’s just the Russians who can erase everything into dust, having scored on the grandmother.
  12. -2
    25 December 2021 16: 46
    I propose to consider this seemingly crazy option nevertheless closer. From the point of view of what he can bring us.

    This option can bring us all large and medium-sized cities of Russia, turned into radioactive ash, the loss of tens of millions of lives of our fellow citizens, the disappearance of the country as a whole and the return to barbarism.
    That something similar will happen on the American continent is unlikely to be a consolation for the survivors.
    1. +7
      25 December 2021 17: 14
      ... and it could be.
      But in this case, for us, this is a choice like, when approaching your trench of an enemy tank, get out and surrender immediately, or still try to destroy it with an existing grenade.
      You love Western thinkers, and here lately everyone has been repeating Churchill's famous phrase - "... who, between war and shame, chooses shame, gets both shame and war." I personally completely agree, although I don't like Churchill, he was an ugly type ...
      1. -7
        25 December 2021 18: 03
        Quote: Pyshenkov
        But in this case, for us, this is a choice like, when approaching your trench of an enemy tank, get out and surrender immediately, or still try to destroy it with an existing grenade.

        It's a bullshit! The Abrams are not yet near Moscow and St. Petersburg, and there is nothing that portends that they will appear here in the near future (and not in the near future). What a defeatist mood? The situation of the Russian Federation is not so deplorable as to commit collective suicide, taking the whole world with it.

        Quote: Pyshenkov
        You love Western thinkers, and here lately everyone has been repeating Churchill's famous phrase - "... who, between war and shame, chooses shame, gets both shame and war." I personally completely agree, although I don't like Churchill, he was an ugly type ...

        Let's ask Russian citizens if they are ready to give their lives and the lives of their children in order to show Kuzkin's mother America. If you are in a hurry to the next world, why do you want to take those around you with you?
        1. +8
          25 December 2021 18: 14
          Quote: Oleg Rambover
          The situation of the Russian Federation is not so deplorable

          - propose to wait until it is? But then no one will definitely talk to us.

          Let's ask Russian citizens if they are ready to give their lives and the lives of their children in order to show Kuzkin's mother America. If you are in a hurry to the next world, why do you want to take those around you with you?

          - again the wrong formulation of the question.

          Let's ask Russian citizens if they are ready to give their lives and the lives of their children to America as ... well, slaves are probably too loud a word. Although why, it was on this that they rose ... And they certainly are not going to think about the welfare of us and our children.
          I personally, in this case, rather for the war, and possible death. As you know. But history shows that there are still more people like me in Russia than there are people like you. Otherwise, Russia would not have existed for a long time ...
          1. -3
            25 December 2021 21: 29
            Quote: Pyshenkov
            - propose to wait until it is? But then no one will definitely talk to us.

            This is some kind of decadence. Are there prerequisites that the position of the Russian Federation will deteriorate significantly? There North Korea has one and a half vigorous bombs and then they are not attacked, and the Russian Federation is so far away from them, although the GDP is trying. Every day they hang on TV that the West (whatever they mean by that) is about to fall apart, that the Russian Federation has survived the pandemic better than anyone else, that our wunderwaffe are the most wunderwaffe in the world, and you are spreading defeatist sentiments. You seem to be an agent of the State Department.

            Quote: Pyshenkov
            Let's ask Russian citizens if they are ready to give their lives and the lives of their children to America as ... well, slaves are probably too loud a word. Although why, it was on this that they rose ...

            Ahhh ..., that is, you propose to commit collective suicide as a preventive measure, so that the children do not become slaves. There are a couple of points here. Firstly, it is not particularly noticeable that someone would try to enslave the Russians (except for all sorts of "Platons" with pension reforms). Secondly, again, some kind of defeatism, there are no Abrams, not only near Moscow, but even on the border with the Russian Federation. Yes, even in Poland they are not. Such a choice is only in your head.

            Quote: Pyshenkov
            I personally, in this case, rather for the war, and possible death. As you know. But history shows that there are still more people like me in Russia than there are people like you. Otherwise, Russia would not have existed for a long time ...

            Thank God, there are not many like you and very few in power, otherwise Russia would have disappeared long ago in senseless wars that are not needed by anyone.
            1. +1
              25 December 2021 21: 38
              There is nothing to take from North Korea and in itself, therefore they do not climb. Do not compare it with Russia.
              You clearly have a poor idea of ​​the history of Russia. And the word telEk, albeit a slang word, but also has its own spelling rules - abbreviation for TV, if you don't know ... The level of your other knowledge is clearly similar.
              1. -2
                25 December 2021 22: 43
                Quote: Pyshenkov
                There is nothing to take from North Korea and in itself, therefore they do not climb. Do not compare it with Russia.

                There is the world's second largest deposit of magnesite, there is zinc, tungsten. Well, let's say the main thing is oil. 20% of all world oil reserves are located in Venezuela. The army is weak and thoroughly corrupt, the main activity of the commanders is transit from Colombia, of course, to the United States. Why are Venezuelans still not slaves to the United States? What an omission? Or do they only want Russians as slaves?
                In short, until the United States captures Venezuela and Nigeria, I will never believe that they want to capture Russia. Moreover, these resources are sold for green paper only a whistle worth it. And all of NATO stupidly lacks the strength not only to seize the Russian Federation, but even to occupy. And the cost of such a hypothetical occupation (I'm not talking about military operations) will many times exceed the cost of purchasing resources from the current Russian leadership for green candy wrappers. That someone is going to seize Russia for the sake of resources is, again, unfounded fantasies in your head.

                Quote: Pyshenkov
                And the word telEk, albeit a slang word, but also has its own spelling rules - short for TV, if you don't know ... The level of your other knowledge is clearly similar.

                The presented noun, according to the spelling rules, is spelled with "and" - telly.
                Errors in this noun are made not only usually by people, but also by journalists. Often in newspapers you can find a variant with an "e" in the suffix. But we just need to remember a simple rule to avoid mistakes. The dubious vowel is found in the ik or ek suffix.
                We need to put the noun in gender. etc. to check if the vowel of the suffix is ​​dropped or not. If it persists, then we write "and". Otherwise, use "e". No telly. As you can see, it does not fall out, so we write "and".

                https://kakpishem.ru/pishem-pravilno-slova/telek-ili-telik.html

                The level of your other knowledge is clearly no better.
                And you got away from the question, where did you get the idea that the Russian Federation is losing?
                1. +3
                  26 December 2021 13: 55
                  I do not quite understand where I said that Russia is losing?
                  About telly - sadly I must state that you are right. I have a Soviet education, fortunately. I have only heard about the exam. And the formation of shortened words for me is initial to those that, in fact, are shortened, and not as someone pronounces them somewhere ... And with the new generation, unfortunately, it seems that dictionaries and rules are easier to rewrite than to teach people literacy. Another example with the word COFFEE, etc., etc. Maybe Maskva will soon start writing through A - well, is it more convenient? And everyone in Maskwa calls her that ...
                  1. -2
                    28 December 2021 00: 13
                    Quote: Pyshenkov
                    I do not quite understand where I said that Russia is losing?

                    Quote: Oleg Rambover
                    The situation of the Russian Federation is not so deplorable as to commit collective suicide, taking the whole world with it.

                    Quote: Pyshenkov
                    - propose to wait until it is? But then no one will definitely talk to us.

                    So you assume that the situation is getting worse, and it is necessary to strike before it is too late. Or did I misunderstand you?
                    If the "west" is about to rot, and the Russian Federation is an island of stability with traditional values ​​(who would explain what it is) and bonds, then why not wait? Why strike with a high probability of getting a response, the third world and the death of the Russian state? In my opinion this is not logical.

                    Quote: Pyshenkov
                    About telly - sadly I must state that you are right.

                    Albeit with reservations, but admit your mistakes. This is worthy of respect. It means that all is not lost.
                    1. +1
                      28 December 2021 11: 40
                      So you assume that the situation is getting worse, and it is necessary to strike before it is too late. Or did I misunderstand you?

                      You understood me wrong. That is, in your own style smile It doesn’t get worse, you just don’t have to wait, what will be better, or maybe even worse. see 1941
                      And the west, of course, is falling apart. But it can fall apart for a long time. Too long to do nasty things to us and to ourselves and to the rest of the world. Maybe not even out of malice - they for the most part believe that they are right in their own way.
                      In general, in life, I am for the fact that excessive perfectionism is harmful, and my experience only confirms this - if a thing generally fits, then you have to take it and not think that you might find better; if the time is right for something, then you need to do it. Because it is far from the fact that the best thing or a more suitable moment will ever be drawn, but these will definitely go away ...
                      1. -2
                        28 December 2021 18: 28
                        Quote: Pyshenkov
                        That is, in its own style, It does not deteriorate, you just do not need to wait for what will be better, or it may be worse. see 1941

                        So it is necessary to formulate more clearly, otherwise your

                        Quote: Pyshenkov
                        But in this case, for us, this is a choice like, when approaching your trench of an enemy tank, get out and surrender immediately, or still try to destroy it with an existing grenade.

                        Quote: Pyshenkov
                        - propose to wait until it is?

                        Quote: Pyshenkov
                        Let's ask Russian citizens if they are ready to give their lives and the lives of their children to America as ... well, slaves are probably too loud a word. Although why, it was on this that they rose ...

                        they sound like the last edge has come and there is no other way out.
                        I understood you correctly that the Russian Federation most likely wins the confrontation with the West, but what would you probably need to fuck with a very non-zero chance of getting a response, a nuclear war and the death of the Russian state? And you, how can I put it, think such a plan is reasonable?

                        Quote: Pyshenkov
                        Maybe not even out of malice - they for the most part believe that they are right in their own way.

                        Where did you get the idea that you are right?

                        Quote: Pyshenkov
                        Because it is far from the fact that the best thing or a more suitable moment will ever be drawn, but these will definitely go away ...

                        The best time to go to heaven?
                      2. 0
                        28 December 2021 21: 13
                        ... as an option wink together with homo --- and transgender people I will definitely not be allowed there. And if you really have to die anyway, then you really don't want to be forever fried in a pan, all the more for someone else's sins ... hi
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                      4. -3
                        29 December 2021 18: 03
                        Homophobia is both coming and going. Are these all your disagreements with the "West"? It is not worth your life (it looks like in your case there is an unpaved field for psychoanalysis). Repent and God will forgive. God is love.
                      5. 0
                        30 December 2021 17: 29
                        If I have anything to repent of, it's just not homophobia ... laughing
                        And if God has been remembered, then it is better not to remember all these homo-, trance, etc. at the same time. We are all God's creatures, yes. But for some reason God created some so that they would not multiply ... Didn't ask yourself why ??? wink
                        PS and psychoanalysts have already broken off my teeth a couple of times, like various sectarians, coaches, etc. - God forbid, not in the literal sense, in dialogue ... wink
    2. 0
      28 December 2021 01: 50
      This strike will prevent the complete destruction of Russia by the first strike by the US and NATO. We also need to agree with China on a joint strike against the United States. There is no more choice. War is inevitable.
      1. -2
        28 December 2021 18: 02
        But it will not prevent the complete destruction of Russia from a retaliatory strike. Have you heard about the "dead hand" system? The United States has it too. Does China need it? Their current well-being is entirely based on cooperation with the West.
      2. 0
        29 December 2021 18: 07
        With all due respect, I still think that this blow will just prevent the war ...
  13. -1
    25 December 2021 19: 32
    Well, the Russian command endlessly talks about "the impending blitzkrieg of the Ukrainian troops." This is how the reason for the invasion of Ukraine by Russian troops is being prepared. It will be possible to enter Ukraine and say that "it was they who attacked us, and we are defending ourselves." The known method ...
    1. 0
      28 December 2021 01: 51
      There is no Ukraine, this is our territory. Our citizens live there.
  14. +3
    25 December 2021 20: 16
    It is absolutely not a fact that even with an exchange of strikes, nuclear weapons will be used. During World War II, no one dared to use chemical weapons on a large scale.
    But strikes with high-precision weapons in terms of the effect on the enemy are quite close to the use of nuclear weapons.
    For example, who said that the priority targets would be military infrastructure? Command, posts, radars, launchers, airfields. Of course. But there is reason to believe that a modern military conflict makes it possible to influence critical infrastructure of the enemy with the maximum possible effect without the use of weapons of mass destruction.
    For example, energy facilities. These are primarily gas liquefaction terminals and gas storage facilities, oil platforms, gas carriers. These objects are extremely difficult to protect with missile defense systems. Especially after the appearance of such systems as Zircon. The strikes on gas and coal power plants should not be underestimated, although strikes on generating capacities are less effective.
    You will say that the enemy in this case inflicts counter / retaliatory strikes against pressure, for example, gas distribution stations. This is true. But here it is necessary to take into account the state (availability) of strike and missile defense weapons. Here, at least, it is quite possible to turn off American allies in Europe and, if necessary, Japan. War is the continuation of diplomacy in other ways. Probably, a willingness to negotiate a few days after realizing the damage they will have
    1. +3
      25 December 2021 21: 32
      From the point of achieving the goal, there is a grain of meaning in this. But firstly, again from history, such acts just lead to the rallying of the population attacked in this way, and secondly, if this does not bother you, such actions are regarded as crimes against humanity and war crimes. And it is not in the tradition of either Russia or the USSR to deliberately do such things. But our western "partners" have a long list of such actions ... From World War II to the present day. This is where they are before this, if anything, they will definitely not stop. Therefore, they must be stopped in advance, before it is too late ...
      1. 0
        28 December 2021 01: 53
        Is this where this Western population rallied under attack? They shamefully surrendered and fled.
        1. 0
          28 December 2021 11: 42
          You probably do not know very well the history of the Second World War.
    2. -2
      25 December 2021 22: 37
      It is absolutely not a fact that even with an exchange of strikes, nuclear weapons will be used. During World War II, no one dared to use chemical weapons on a large scale.

      This is true. But in terms of the quantity and quality of non-nuclear weapons, Russia is inferior to NATO, and I believe that by a large count.
  15. -1
    25 December 2021 23: 04
    This is what a gift to the West - Russia will attack first, although all the officials said otherwise.

    In the meantime, also about the missiles.
    We are waiting for the launch of the Angara, promised by Rogozin.
    "the launch was planned for December 23, ........ December 24, the launch did not take place, ..... December 25, postponed again"
    window until December 27, they write.
    1. 0
      28 December 2021 01: 55
      Well, how can you leave them without a New Year's gift ... But in fact, it is absolutely unimportant who hits first. In any case, Russia will be declared the aggressor. And war is inevitable. Unless America is intimidated.
      1. 0
        28 December 2021 09: 48
        This is because of inability and laziness to promote.

        As the presidents ate harburgers together, it was so damn good.
        And how the money in the Pension Fund ran out, and they began to catch "peaceful" sellers of sports nutrition - so ".. in any case .." - climb into the trenches while the elite in Courchevel is prowling through boutiques ...
  16. 0
    25 December 2021 23: 09
    The main enemy of the USSR is capitalism. Missed! The main enemy was in the Kremlin. Not the fifth column, but much worse. Maybe they are aiming in the wrong direction? Maybe you need to look back?
    1. +3
      26 December 2021 14: 07
      you are exactly 30 years late ...
  17. 0
    26 December 2021 00: 04
    Quote: Sergey Latyshev
    In the meantime, also about the missiles.
    We are waiting for the launch of the Angara, promised by Rogozin.
    "the launch was planned for December 23, ........ December 24, the launch did not take place, ..... December 25, postponed again"
    window until December 27, they write

    In 2021, the launch complex for the Angara was completely re-equipped at Plesetsk by the forces of the Ministry of Defense. The launch equipment malfunctioned. The rocket itself is ready for launch. There is no starting goal at any cost. There is a goal - to continue the cycle of accident-free launches, which has been going on for 3 years.
    This year 4 Hangars were launched. In addition to the launch at the end of this year, 2022 launches of Hangars A3 and 5 Hangars A2 are planned in 1.2.
    But we are looking forward to the launch of Arian 6. How have they been postponed for a year again?
  18. -2
    26 December 2021 00: 44
    Quote: Pyshenkov
    But firstly, again from history, such acts just lead to the rallying of the population attacked in this way, and secondly, if this does not bother you in any way, such actions are regarded as crimes against humanity and war crimes

    I beg to differ.
    First, after sowing depleted uranium in Serbia, it is not for them to point out war crimes to others. The topic of "war crimes" is an information war, in which we must also participate.
    Secondly, the "rallying of the nation" was observed in the Reich as a result of raids by British and American bomber aircraft, all the same in the framework of a different era. By the way, on the Wehrmacht it acted in the opposite way - depressing. It is enough to read the diaries of Model in 1944. But the point is different. Now people are different. Confident that they had already won their war in 1991. The result will be the opposite. Not mobilization, but shock and panic is the more likely outcome. By the way, from a humanitarian point of view, no matter how strange it may seem, a series of such attacks on storage facilities will lead to the desire for early negotiations and, therefore, to a reduction in losses than butting at the front.
    And the third. Such a window of opportunity does not happen often. Well, the Soviet Union did not have such opportunities before and, by the way, there were no such facilities for the use of this toolkit.
    There is no need for the Tu 160 to wade through the enemy's air defenses to strike at the terminals of Rotterdam, and the Ash's to track down aircraft carrier groups and oil platforms on the Norwegian shelf is a goal that cannot be defended. The paralysis of the European (and Japanese) economy will be rapid and inevitable. And this will be followed by a very strong desire to negotiate ...
    1. -2
      26 December 2021 13: 10
      The paralysis of the European (and Japanese) economy will be rapid and inevitable. And this will be followed by a very strong desire to negotiate.

      Yes, yes, and with this type of paralysis, the amer's submarine forces, in particular, ... a brown bear so that only scraps of wool will remain from him and he will simply not be able to conduct any negotiations.
      1. 0
        28 December 2021 02: 01
        Why negotiate with corpses? Whoever hits first will have more population left.
    2. +2
      26 December 2021 14: 17
      There is no need to draw conclusions about the people from the diaries of one general - yes, the reaction was different, but most of the Germans got angry and rallied. Therefore, children with faust cartridges jumped under the tanks, therefore they fought to the very end in Berlin, so German submarines sank US ships long after May 1945, which few people know about, etc.
      I also read a lot about this, and I personally spoke with many who remembered all this.
      About Serbia and so on, that's all yes, and Hiroshima, and Dresden and Vietnam there too - do not blame them, you are right. But I have some conviction that victory is always with those on whose side the truth is, even if not immediately. And with this thought, and I personally am ready to fight, without it - hardly ... And in the existence of God in some form that sees everything, I also believe ... Excuse me, I have such a patriarchal mindset
      And based on this, the confidence that this is not our road, if we want to survive and win ...
  19. -1
    26 December 2021 01: 03
    Quote: Sergey Latyshev
    In the meantime, also about the missiles.
    We are waiting for the launch of the Angara, promised by Rogozin.
    "the launch was planned for December 23, ........ December 24, the launch did not take place, ..... December 25, postponed again"
    window until December 27, they write.

    We do not have a task to trigger the launch at any cost. We have a task to continue the period of trouble-free launches, which is already 3 years. In November, the modernization of the launch complex for the Angara in Plesetsk was completed by the forces of the Ministry of Defense. 4 Angars A5 and 3 Angars A 1.2 were received from Roskosmos. All of them will be launched in 2022. Well, we, in turn, are waiting for the first start of the Arian A6. We have been waiting for several years. How was it postponed again for a year? ...
    Ariane A5 kicked off today with the James Webb telescope. Lots of applause
    But the project has been postponed 20 times since 2007! They delayed the launch by 15 years, spending 25 years building the telescope. The project budget has grown from $ 500 million to more than $ 10 billion. That is, 20 times!
  20. -1
    26 December 2021 11: 21
    I personally have never seen a test of hypersonic missiles ... And in general I can imagine quite vividly ... The spectacle must be absolutely enchanting!

    - the article describes a satirical comedy 20 years ago ...

  21. -1
    26 December 2021 15: 00
    Alexey, you are smart. With the pressure of this huge rotten Western armada, the fight must be at Fashington. But before that, we must at least liberate the entire Donbass.
    1. 0
      28 December 2021 02: 03
      Vice versa. After the destruction of Washington, Donbass will free itself.
  22. 0
    27 December 2021 00: 04
    Possible variant. Only it seems to me that he will not lead to the collapse of NATO, rather, on the contrary, he will unite them. The US will say, you see, we said that the Russians want to conquer you all! Here you need a lot of wisdom, but indulgence, too, can be seen, the limit has already come.
    1. 0
      28 December 2021 02: 04
      After the outbreak of the war, there will be no Internet and TV. Nobody will know anything.
  23. +2
    27 December 2021 11: 45
    You don't want any wars, but sitting and spitting various horror films is also not the case. America showed her face, and her ass too. And so that there is no misinterpretation, it is necessary in the country, at home, to bring the economy into working order. Prices do not ask for GDP, but are growing every day. Economically and technologically we are lagging behind Europe. The only thing that can be shown is a few rockets with neptune. But this is not easier for the people. Medicine was driven into the slavery of money, like the people. Agriculture is barely afloat. There is no noticeable development as with zircons. Space has lagged far behind in the study as in the days of the USSR. The main financial parity is held by the Russian Navy and the Aligarhs. This is where it is time to call upon Neptune.

    For 20 years of "getting off my knees" in Russia, surface warships of I and II ranks have been built:

    - 2 frigates pr. 22350 (2x $ 450 million)
    - 3 frigates pr. 11356 (3x $ 430 million)
    - 7 corvettes pr. 20380/85 (7x $ 250 million)
    - 2 BDK pr. 11711 (2x $ 160 million)
    There are submarines and airplanes. But military affairs are state and not personal.

    But over the years, personal pleasure yachts have been built:

    - "Dilbar" - from Usmanov ($ 550 million) 1
    - "Eclipse" from Abramovich ($ 460 million)
    - "Sailing Yacht A" - from Melnichenko ($ 425 million) 1
    - "Ocean Victory" - from Rashnikov ($ 310 million)
    - "Motor Yacht A" - also Melnichenko ($ 255 million) 2
    - "Luna" - at Akhmedov ($ 230 million)
    - "Quantum Blue" - from Galitsky ($ 225 million)
    - "Black Pearl" - from Burlakov ($ 220 million)
    - "Ona", - Usmanova ($ 210 million) 2
    - "Palladium" - from Prokhorov ($ 155 million)
    - "Madame Gu" - Skocha ($ 135 million)
    - "Pacific" - from Michelson ($ 130 million)
    - "Barbara" - from Potanin ($ 125 million) 1
    - "Here Comes The Sun" - Japaridze ($ 125 million)
    - "Tango" - from Vekselberg ($ 110 million)
    - "Areti" - from Makarov ($ 110 million)
    - "Kibo" - from Mamut ($ 105 million)
    - "Alfa Nero" - from Guryev ($ 105 million)
    - "Nirvana" - from Potanin ($ 100 million) 2
    - "Anastasia" - and again at Potanin's ($ 80 million) 3

    And that's not all ...

    So brag about the red lines now. As People hang spaghetti on their ears.
  24. 0
    27 December 2021 12: 06
    Has the author played enough war games on the computer?
    Can't wait to burn out in a nuclear fire?
    Or hurray-patriotism rolls over after the next chatter of the GDP?
    And for morons who think it's time to throw their hats at the enemy, I advise you to reconsider, for example, "on the last bank", just in case. Sobering up from the ailments listed above.
    1. -2
      27 December 2021 12: 21
      Right! Precisely and to the point.
    2. +1
      28 December 2021 02: 08
      Do you think that only Russia can be the aggressor? Which over the past 50 years has not unleashed a single war. Unlike the USA. So with a wait-and-see attitude in a world fire, you will still have to burn. But on worse terms.
  25. 0
    28 December 2021 11: 18
    The offer is good. You can even buy an old but strong trough for this and destroy it next to the NATO countries. The performance will have a tremendous impact. And a warning - this can be the case with NATO headquarters and the MI-6 office in England and in many other places.
  26. 0
    28 December 2021 15: 06
    in order to prevent war in Europe, Russia needs to have a large number of cruise missiles and, if possible, hypersonic land-based missiles - 5000-15000. Such a threat to key infrastructure facilities of all European countries immediately creates a non-calculable risk for European countries. There can be IT centers of critical information (financial IT infrastructure) and key energy facilities (electricity). In the modern world, the economy has a digital foundation. Without it, a complete collapse will occur. And these are databases, computing centers and the like. The same SWIFT can be destroyed by 2 missiles, at least for a while. Several thousand missiles can only be placed on containers, railroad and cargo trucks. Such an arsenal will give Russia a nuclear-scale baton, but with the difference that it can be used without self-destruction.
    And it's better to build all this without advertising, without threats. Quiet, secretive, but large-scale ... it will sober up the hawks in Europe more than threats.
  27. 0
    29 December 2021 14: 31
    Quote: Valentine
    Yes, Putin apparently has very strong trump cards, since he began to talk “from a position of strength” with the “hegemon” of all the earth, and this, of course, is not “cartoons” and inflatable tanks.

    Isn't China already the "hegemon of the whole earth"? Is he looking back at America? On the Yankes-Pandos?