Downed Turkish drone "Bayraktar" ended up in Russia

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An image of the downed Turkish drone Bayraktar TB2, next to which is VGTRK journalist Alexander Rogatkin, has appeared on the Web. This indicates that this UAV is already in Russia.


On the territory of which country the Bayraktar was shot down is not specified. But studying it, even in this form, will be useful for Russia. However, the drone is quite well preserved.

Unfortunately, it is difficult to determine from the presented wreckage which particular Air Force this UAV belonged to. The thing is that the stuffing of the Turkish Air Force drones differs from the export "light" versions. At the same time, the export set (6 UAVs, 2 mobile control stations, 200 ammunition and auxiliary equipment) costs $ 69 million.

Turkish "Bayraktars" were used during the last war in Nagorno-Karabakh and are still used in Libya and Syria. In addition, their combat, albeit one-time, use in the Donbas was noted.

Currently, such drones are in service with Turkey, Azerbaijan, Ukraine, Qatar, Turkmenistan, PNS Libya, Morocco, Saudi Arabia, Poland and Tunisia. Contracts were signed for the supply to Iraq, Pakistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Ethiopia, Oman, Nigeria, Lithuania, Latvia, Hungary, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Albania and Serbia.
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  1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
    gunnerminer (gunner miner) 18 December 2021 10: 36
    -23
    The main problem for the Russian unmanned aircraft is the lack of the required number of medium and heavy attack UAVs, as well as strategic reconnaissance drones of the Global Hawk type, in a third-rate NATO country. The world unmanned aviation industry has grown so much in recent years that experts identify more than a dozen different types of UAVs, each of which has both generally recognized "legends" and less interesting specimens. The success of the Turks is that they have adapted guided and guided ammunition to Bayraktar .And on the Orions produced by the piece, only FAD-50.
    The Russian aviation industry was not ready for the technological leap in the field of unmanned aerial vehicles. That is why Russia is lagging behind the United States, China, Israel and even Turkey in creating heavy attack drones of long flight duration. One of the problems in underestimating the Ministry of Defense and NGS of the role of UAVs in modern combat operations. Another problem is the extremely limited military budget of the Russian Ministry of Defense. From here comes the RPKN, built without SSGNs and without MAPLs, diesel engines without VNEU, Air Force without reconnaissance aircraft and electronic warfare, a meager number of tankers and AWACS and U. systems, and much more.
    1. Kristallovich Online Kristallovich
      Kristallovich (Ruslan) 18 December 2021 10: 43
      +16
      Have sunk. Copy products assembled from what came to hand

      It is called - he came up with something, believed in it, and criticized it.
      1. Binder Offline Binder
        Binder (Miron) 18 December 2021 11: 09
        -19
        What exactly from the comment above is not true? The man still spoke very delicately. I'll tell you straight - in this segment (UAV) the Russian Federation has lagged behind forever and this lag is growing every day. And today is not the time that was when, by order of I.V. Stalin, A.N. Tupolev and his team, in a short time, simply copied the American B-29, creating a long-range Tu-4 bomber for the USSR, today, even successfully copying someone else's original, the problem is not to decide, and to copy the capabilities of the Russian military-industrial complex is not enough, we will not say anything about software at all ...
        1. Kristallovich Online Kristallovich
          Kristallovich (Ruslan) 18 December 2021 11: 14
          +12
          What exactly from the comment above is not true?

          If you open your eyes, you can see what specifically does not correspond to reality. I even gave a quote. Where are we talking about copying in the text? Why such a conclusion? The author of the comment would like to think so - let him think. But this opinion is based on his own guesses. "Bayraktar" is of interest to Russia only from the point of view of combating it. Assess the radar signature, work on the communication unit. In terms of any incredible technology, the Turkish UAV is just zero without a stick. There is nothing to copy.

          I'll tell you straight - in this segment (UAV) the Russian Federation has lagged behind forever and this lag is growing every day.

          Here you go. They wanted to say it bluntly, but they said it very crookedly. The fact that Russia is still lagging behind (in general, lagging behind, but in some developments, on the contrary, is ahead), this is already clear. Don't get your hopes about "forever". The capabilities of the Russian military-industrial complex are by an order of magnitude superior to that of Turkey or Israel. We just started doing drones later than the rest. Our tasks were different - to restore nuclear parity of forces. As a result, they not only restored, but outstripped the main enemy.

          The "pacer" was put into service. It works by satellite, by the way, unlike Bayraktar. The Turks are only now trying to implement this feature. On heavy UAVs, if we take "Akyndzhi" and "Altius", we go on a par. We are even ahead of the Americans in very difficult ones. They closed their project X-47.
          1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
            gunnerminer (gunner miner) 18 December 2021 12: 00
            -20
            The tracking station is the same as on Orion, Canada. The engine is the same.

            The "pacer" was put into service. It works by satellite, by the way, unlike Bayraktar.

            In parts of the Russian Armed Forces, it is not. The satellite constellation of the Aerospace Forces is tiny for use by UAV control. Communication channels are very limited.

            On heavy UAVs, if we take "Akyndzhi" and "Altius", we go on a par.

            Akinchi is mass-produced. Altius still gets dirty diapers.

            In terms of any incredible technology, the Turkish UAV is just zero without a stick. There is nothing to copy.

            Every half of the year it is more and more difficult for the Russian military-industrial complex to copy, and it is even more difficult to establish serial production of products.
            1. Kristallovich Online Kristallovich
              Kristallovich (Ruslan) 18 December 2021 12: 13
              +11
              The tracking station is the same as on Orion, Canadian. The engine is the same.

              AND? It proves once again that Bayraktar is the most mediocre UAV.

              The satellite constellation of the VKS is tiny for use by UAV control. Communication channels are very limited

              Who writes this to me? Are you a regular on the forums? Links to competent resources in the studio, or forest.

              Akinchi is produced commercially. Altius is still getting the diapers dirty.

              Serially. One car handed over. And two prototypes for operator training. Such a series.

              With each half of the year it becomes more and more difficult for the Russian military-industrial complex to copy. And it is even more difficult to establish serial production of products.

              What is this "opinion" based on?
              1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                gunnerminer (gunner miner) 18 December 2021 12: 40
                -17
                Even such a mediocre UAV is beyond the capabilities of the Russian military-industrial complex, which is why they dragged in to copy it.

                And nothing has changed.

                By 2020-2022, we planned to have about 20 vehicles in orbit, but due to the sequestration of the Federal Space Program, the launches of a number of satellites went “to the right,” Zaichko quoted in the latest issue of the Russian Space magazine published by Roscosmos.
                For comparison, Zaichko said that China has 42 remote sensing satellites, India - 20, the European Union and the United States - 18 each. "In addition, a comparable number of commercial vehicles are in operation, including those equipped with highly detailed and detailed imaging equipment," Zaichko said. ...
                In September, the Vedomosti newspaper wrote that the Russian global navigation satellite system (GLONASS) could degrade if the import substitution program fails, the emergence of which is due to the US sanctions. The publication predicted that "if the satellites begin to fail in the next year or two, there will be nothing to replace them", and "in this case, the entire system is threatened with degradation." “Of the currently operating satellites, 13 are already beyond the seven-year guaranteed lifetime. This can affect the state of the grouping and the parameters of the navigation signal at any time, "the newspaper admitted.

                In March 2019, Maxim Yakovenko, while serving as head of Roshydromet, said that a third of the target equipment operates on Russian satellites used to obtain meteorological information. In February of the same year, the official noted that Russia does not have its own meteorological satellites due to the fact that "the Russian group simply died."

                In December 2019, the Minister of Natural Resources and Environment of the Russian Federation Dmitry Kobylkin announced that foreign satellites supply more than 80% of the total meteorological data for Russia.

                https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/8875281
                1. Kristallovich Online Kristallovich
                  Kristallovich (Ruslan) 18 December 2021 12: 49
                  +14
                  I don’t even know if it’s incompetence in the question or banal carelessness? Or maybe even easier - an attempt at deception? After all, we are talking about satellites for remote sensing of the earth, and not about military communications spacecraft.

                  Roshydromet? Fun! It seems that they were talking about military drones, and you are sending links about meteorological satellites.

                  https://ria.ru/20200929/roskosmos-1577943840.html
                  1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                    gunnerminer (gunner miner) 18 December 2021 13: 01
                    -21
                    And with those, and with other satellites similar problems. Hydromet led for the scale of the review.
                    1. Kristallovich Online Kristallovich
                      Kristallovich (Ruslan) 18 December 2021 13: 02
                      +16
                      I see))) If the country has problems with potatoes, then, consequently, there are problems with milk. L - logic. Will there be more arguments, or truncated?
                      1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                        gunnerminer (gunner miner) 18 December 2021 13: 04
                        -19
                        Potatoes, milk, Ukrainians, traitors, liberals. Look at the corners of your yurt, maybe you will see Biden with Zelensky.
                      2. Kristallovich Online Kristallovich
                        Kristallovich (Ruslan) 18 December 2021 13: 06
                        +17
                        Leave the topic again. Already Ukrainians and Biden remembered. And it seems that they talked about the UAV. This is how a person who cannot back up his words with facts merges. I feel sorry for you.
                      3. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                        gunnerminer (gunner miner) 18 December 2021 13: 13
                        -16
                        Scan the plans of Roscosmos, and quote Rogozin's lamentations about the impossibility of creating modern satellites, repeat the same thing. Without an adequate satellite constellation, including communication satellites, stable control of the few Russian UAVs cannot be achieved. The fact of delivery of a Turkish UAV for study and copying shows that things in the UZGA and in the Kronstadt group, the situation is even worse than it seemed before. The Ministry of Defense of Russia has already turned to the Ministry of Defense of the PRC for help in the design and creation of UAVs, but received a negative answer.
                      4. Kristallovich Online Kristallovich
                        Kristallovich (Ruslan) 18 December 2021 13: 17
                        +15
                        I'm already tired of this stream of unfounded thoughts. Everything is bad, everything will be even worse, copying "Bayraktar" and other nonsense. Once again, I tell you - communicate substantively. I am not interested in your own conclusions. I am interested in facts, it is on them that you can rely on, drawing conclusions about the saturation of the Russian constellation of satellites, and about all other issues. For 1,5 hours of communication with you, you did not give a single fact. This means that you do not have any information. Yes, in fact, you cannot have it, since it is secret. What to talk to you about? About nothing.
                      5. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                        gunnerminer (gunner miner) 18 December 2021 13: 40
                        -21
                        For you, this kind of presentation of material will do. We are not discussing at the military-industrial collegium, and not at the Military Council of the district.
                      6. Kristallovich Online Kristallovich
                        Kristallovich (Ruslan) 18 December 2021 13: 46
                        +16
                        It’s ridiculously simple. A common network troll. So clumsy, inexperienced. He tries to seem smart, but as if he was pressed against the wall, he immediately swam ...
                      7. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                        gunnerminer (gunner miner) 18 December 2021 14: 21
                        -19
                        Don't be discouraged. Get it out of your head. Read more, talk to military personnel who have experience in the operation of UAVs.
                      8. Dear sofa expert. Offline Dear sofa expert.
                        Dear sofa expert. 19 December 2021 02: 30
                        +7
                        A common network troll.

                        You are wrong.) This is not a "network troll", this is a "troll factory". Pay attention .. this "loner genius" has already "scribbled" over a thousand posts in less than a month, and if you look closely at their history, there are quite extensive posts written by this "unique" on two or even three different topics in one or two minutes. He writes with a confident look all the brainless rubbish.
                        Draw a conclusion, and finally cover up this diligently spoiling "unfriendly element", otherwise it has already become unpleasant to go to the forum.
                2. Kristallovich Online Kristallovich
                  Kristallovich (Ruslan) 18 December 2021 13: 27
                  +10
                  Then they brought me up fresh, "how bad everything is."

                  The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation staged an aerial battle of drones at a training ground in Crimea, during which the Orion drone from 4 km. shot down a helicopter-type UAV with a guided missile. For the first time, the military department claims that Russian drones have fighter capabilities and can destroy enemy drones.

                3. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                  gunnerminer (gunner miner) 18 December 2021 13: 38
                  -16
                  Применение управляемых боеприпасов с российского БЛА цирковой номер.А не рутинная обыденность , как на турецких БЛА.МО пытается втереть очки направляющими ПТРК Корнет, тупо пришпандоренными к БЛА.Что гробит саму концепцию применения БЛА.На видео видно, что ПТРК единственный .Из-за своего веса, не приспособленного к мощности БЛАшного движка.Это называется выдавать кизяк за конфетку.Массово поставлять такие штучные поделки в ВС России, бесполезно и затратно.Такое видео увлекательно для допризывников младшего возраста.
                4. Kristallovich Online Kristallovich
                  Kristallovich (Ruslan) 18 December 2021 13: 42
                  +10
                  The video shows that the ATGM is the only one. Due to its weight

                  TPK weight 30 kg. The payload weight of the "pacer" is 200 kg. Yes, yes, because of its weight fool

                  You've already gotten to some silly trolling.

                  The use of guided munitions from a Russian UAV circus number.

                  As long as the circus is arranged here only you ...
                5. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                  gunnerminer (gunner miner) 18 December 2021 14: 13
                  -15
                  TPK weight 30 kg. The payload weight of the "pacer" is 200 kg. Yes, because of its weight fool

                  There would be four sets of them, not just one.
                6. Kristallovich Online Kristallovich
                  Kristallovich (Ruslan) 18 December 2021 14: 49
                  +15
                  These are tests! To destroy a single target! What the hell are there four missiles?
                7. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                  gunnerminer (gunner miner) 18 December 2021 14: 57
                  -16
                  Why is it necessary to powder the brains with personnel tests? The result is important - the saturation of units and subdivisions of the Ground Forces with serial UAVs adopted for service. An attempt to give the fact of testing an unfinished R&D project for a serial product. Calculation of lack of understanding of the details of the mass spectator. According to projects, ideas, developments, the Russian military-industrial complex has overtaken NATO and the PRC with Japan, for about 50 years. That’s not going with the implementation in the series. Many representatives of the military acceptance claim that they can guarantee to make a piece copy of the product. Serial production is a problem. Since 2015, NATO's intelligence and law enforcement agencies have significantly strengthened their actions. to suppress delivery channels for the Russian military-industrial complex of various components.
                8. Kristallovich Online Kristallovich
                  Kristallovich (Ruslan) 18 December 2021 15: 05
                  +13
                  You already have everything very much dusty. This is a demonstration of the possibilities. In fact, the "pacer" was turned into a fighter capable of destroying enemy UAVs and helicopters. Can "Bayraktar" boast of this, which "we are so eager to copy"? Wai, the gunnerminer sat down in a puddle along the way ...

                  Many representatives of the military acceptance claim that they can guaranteed to make a piece of the product. Serial production is a problem.

                  If they can make a suitable piece copy that meets all the requirements and requests, then the issue of launching it into a series is a financial issue. Yes, we are not Americans who inflate their military budget, not least through external loans. Everything has its time. It is impossible to buy at once 1000 T-14 tanks, 200 Su-57 fighters, 40 22350 frigates, hundreds of attack UAVs of all stripes and so on. But you don't get it.
                9. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                  gunnerminer (gunner miner) 18 December 2021 15: 24
                  -17
                  Demonstrations of piece handicrafts of 200 hundred Wagnerites near Deir ez-Zor, destroyed in 15 minutes, did not save. The outdated "MQ-9 Reaper" UAVs worked with the support of the F-15E - they worked well.

                  This is a demonstration of opportunities.

                  Demonstration of capabilities - battalions and regiments equipped with such UAVs. Opportunities, combat readiness is not assessed by a demonstration of a piece prototype at the training ground. And can only impress a young pre-conscript.

                  In fact, the "pacer" was turned into a fighter capable of destroying enemy UAVs and helicopters.

                  This is empty bragging. The "pacer" itself is not planned to be put into service. In view of the non-compliance with the technical specifications from the customer. Not to mention its ability to fight with guided ammunition. And even with aircraft and UAVs.

                  Can "Bayraktar" boast of this, which "we are so eager to copy"? Wai, the gunnerminer sat down in a puddle along the way ...

                  Bayraktar is purchased by dozens of countries. Nobody knows the "pacer". Bayraktar is a middle-class UAV. Akinji is a heavy-class UAV, it is mass-produced, used for its intended purpose. With Turkish-made guided ammunition. Like the Anka UAV.

                  If they can make a suitable piece copy that meets all the requirements and requests, then the issue of launching it into a series is a financial issue.

                  First of all, technological. The Russian military-industrial complex has approached the red line of technological and technical backwardness, when even copying is impossible. Soviet warehouses have dried up.

                  All in good time.

                  And this has been going on for 30 years now, and President Putin insists that there is no time for swinging.
                  There are only two Project 22350 frigates. And only one of them with a Russian gas turbine unit and a reducer. About sending it to the main event is silent. Far from everything is fine with a reducer and a gas turbine unit. As well as with long-range air defense. Serial production of the Su-57 has failed. , for testing in GLITS.T-14 will not be a mass tank due to problems with the engine, electronics, and KAZ.
                10. Kristallovich Online Kristallovich
                  Kristallovich (Ruslan) 18 December 2021 15: 36
                  +14
                  The pacer itself is not planned for acceptance into service.

                  Oh, horror, the first complex "Pacing" (3 UAVs and 2 launchers) entered the army a year ago. Suddenly, huh?

                  Bayraktar is purchased by dozens of countries.

                  Naturally, it has been on the market since 2013. Since 2011 in service with the Turkish army. Stupid comparison.

                  First of all, technological. The Russian military-industrial complex has approached the red line of technological and technical backwardness. When even copying is not possible. Soviet warehouses have dried up.

                  You have come to trolling the site. I am giving you a public warning in connection with this.
                11. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                  gunnerminer (gunner miner) 18 December 2021 15: 39
                  -16
                  Oh, horror, the first complex "Pacing" (3 UAVs and 2 launchers) entered the army a year ago. Suddenly, huh?

                  It will go into production after the launch of the plant in Dubna, and when the plant is launched, it’s written on the water with a pitchfork.

                  You have come to trolling the site. I am giving you a public warning in connection with this.

                  Your training manual was blown away.
                12. Kristallovich Online Kristallovich
                  Kristallovich (Ruslan) 18 December 2021 15: 43
                  +13
                  Not true.

                  On April 20.04.2020, XNUMX, the Kronstadt Group and the Russian Ministry of Defense signed an acceptance certificate for the first long-duration unmanned complex Orion, consisting of three vehicles.

                  https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/8285761


                  Your training manual was blown away.

                  My method of arguing is facts. Yours is nonsense.
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                14. Alex Orlov Offline Alex Orlov
                  Alex Orlov (Alex) 18 December 2021 18: 43
                  +13
                  Oh, thank you. I took my heart out, reading how you smear this "miner" :))) I often get the impression that he is sitting somewhere in Dnepropetrovsk, all overlaid with reference material (of course, from Western "sources") and manuals "How to lie using a minimum of real information "
                15. Volkonsky Offline Volkonsky
                  Volkonsky (Vladimir) 18 December 2021 20: 17
                  +9
                  Yes, Ruslan did not spare his time! I thought the miner was a military expert from a retired military, it turned out to be a banal troll. Most of all I am touched by his hackneyed phrases about pre-conscripts of primary school age. Apparently it was with such people that he was used to communicating - they take his word for it. Send him to us! Apparently we are doing our job well, since such a specialist was sent here. Works tirelessly. Apparently they pay well. The fool is made of cardboard, he thinks readers are reading his sheets. They can not always master the text itself.
                16. Hot Dyusha Offline Hot Dyusha
                  Hot Dyusha (Dyusha) 20 December 2021 19: 47
                  0
                  Yes, it is spinning like in a frying pan))) you clamped it. There are no facts, just wet innuendo. His putugs look funny. Already dragged the Vsgnerovites. We are waiting to start telling how Napoleon beat Kutuzov. I am sure he will sit in a puddle there too, there is no knowledge
        2. Vermont Offline Vermont
          Vermont (Aslan Tsoutiev) 18 December 2021 22: 06
          -4
          Quote: Kristallovich
          If they can make a suitable piece copy that meets all the requirements and requests, then the issue of launching it into a series is a financial issue. Yes, we are not Americans who inflate their military budget, not least through external loans. Everything has its time. It is impossible to buy at once 1000 T-14 tanks, 200 Su-57 fighters, 40 22350 frigates, hundreds of attack UAVs of all stripes and so on. But you don't get it.

          Comrade, do you at least orient yourself in what you say? You rightly said that this is a "financial issue." What country do you live in? Oligarchs, headed by their leader, Putin, live and rule in the country. They "rake in" the lion's share of the country's money. To palaces, to yachts, to villas around the world for yourself and your children, to multi-billion dollar accounts in foreign accounts, to the first places in the Forbes list. If the military equipment is mass-produced, which, as you say, has been developed "50 years ahead" by Russian designers, then ... the top leadership should give all the Russian "grandmothers" for this, and not put them in their pockets. You want to deprive them of their income .. and walk like you to the "wooden outhouse in the yard" in order to "overtake everyone in armaments" in the world. And so that "everyone in the world respects and feared us" ... But a wooden toilet and "respect for the whole world" is not for them ... This is for you, but not for them. Therefore, apart from some promotions, such as Daggers, Onyx, S-500, nothing more will be mass produced. Because it costs the money that the country's ruling elite puts into their pockets. It was at one time that Stalin invested all the funds of the USSR in the creation of the country's military-industrial complex, and when he died, nothing was found in his safe except for an old cap. The people also had nothing, poverty. But the most terrifying military power in the world was built. Well, so the current Russian elite does not want to stay with a "cap" ... Stalin wanted ... and maybe you would like to stay in an old cap, but with a "frightened world" around. But the oligarchs don't want to. They want to live in the Western world, not intimidate it.
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  2. Sailor Scrap Offline Sailor Scrap
    Sailor Scrap (Sailor Scrap) 19 December 2021 02: 28
    +2
    Not a fig, behold, as from a cannon flew in a sparrow.
  3. Vermont Offline Vermont
    Vermont (Aslan Tsoutiev) 18 December 2021 21: 30
    -4
    Quote: Kristallovich
    I see))) If the country has problems with potatoes, then, consequently, there are problems with milk. L - logic. Will there be more arguments, or truncated?

    Comrade, your manifestation of "enthusiasm and patriotism" in relation to Russia is understandable, but that is what it is. In addition to some successes in hypersonic technology and air defense systems, Russia has nothing "done" in the field of other new technology ... Everything else is "excellent and promising developments." We also read and see the situation ... The Armata tank is an example of this, and the Su-57 aircraft. We are waiting, we are waiting, but apart from "great reviews", there is nothing else ...
  • boriz Offline boriz
    boriz (boriz) 18 December 2021 17: 18
    +5
    I don’t even know if it’s incompetence in the question or banal carelessness?

    This is trolling. It was registered on November 21st.
  • gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
    gunnerminer (gunner miner) 18 December 2021 12: 42
    -18
    What is this "opinion" based on?

    At the reading of the Russian near-space press, at the stories of Roskosmos employees, at conversations with servicemen of the Russian Aerospace Forces. Informed, patriotic people. In vain you neglect communication with them.
    1. Kristallovich Online Kristallovich
      Kristallovich (Ruslan) 18 December 2021 12: 56
      +13
      You have already shown the level of your awareness of the issue above. They interfered with remote sensing satellites, meteorological, military, navigation ... Damn what. There is no desire even to comment.
      1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
        gunnerminer (gunner miner) 18 December 2021 13: 03
        -17
        So wherever you stick your finger, there are fellings and problems. To whom Rogozin gives promises, and Putin issues ultimatums, it is not clear. And what will happen in 3 years! When the sanctions will gain momentum!
        1. Kristallovich Online Kristallovich
          Kristallovich (Ruslan) 18 December 2021 13: 04
          +14
          Do not leave the topic. You said that we do not have satellites to control the UAV. So far, no links have been provided. Do you know what this is called?
          1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
            gunnerminer (gunner miner) 18 December 2021 13: 05
            -18
            I will make a list with military ranks and positions of sources, scan them.
          2. Dart2027 Online Dart2027
            Dart2027 18 December 2021 23: 14
            +6
            Quote: gunnerminer
            I will make a list with military ranks and positions of sources, scan them.

            For the FSB. It touches me how some people give all the best information that goes under the heading "SS", just like that, and without consequences.
          3. isofat Offline isofat
            isofat (isofat) 19 December 2021 01: 10
            +9
            This clown can tell nothing secret. He will not even understand anything if he suddenly stumbles upon something secret. laughing
            He can't sit in the bath, so he started this Nick. A month has not passed yet - 1 comments. It is bad for him when Russia is good.
          4. Dart2027 Online Dart2027
            Dart2027 19 December 2021 19: 59
            +2
            Quote: isofat
            This clown can tell nothing secret. He won't even understand anything if he suddenly stumbles upon something secret.

            Yes, this is understandable, but I am always touched by the statements that a friend told me for sure, but he ... Now it’s not the 90s and they began to follow long languages, but some were inserted in full.
  • Dart2027 Online Dart2027
    Dart2027 18 December 2021 23: 11
    +1
    Quote: Bindyuzhnik
    What exactly from the comment above is not true?

    The stuffing of this UAV is not Turkish.
    1. Binder Offline Binder
      Binder (Miron) 19 December 2021 00: 26
      -8
      And what, it reduces its effectiveness?
      1. Dear sofa expert. Offline Dear sofa expert.
        Dear sofa expert. 19 December 2021 02: 50
        +5
        And what, it reduces its effectiveness?

        Reduces the effectiveness of what? Downed aircraft?) Of course it does. Now all his "secret stuffing" will be studied, and it will be worth a penny.
        1. Binder Offline Binder
          Binder (Miron) 19 December 2021 05: 59
          -10
          Quote: Dear sofa expert.
          Now all his "secret stuffing" will be studied, and it will be worth a penny.

          The price will be worthless when the Russian military-industrial complex can create something better and put it into production in the shortest possible time. And there is no chance for that.
          1. Dear sofa expert. Offline Dear sofa expert.
            Dear sofa expert. 19 December 2021 10: 15
            +5
            The price will be penny when the Russian military-industrial complex can create something better

            Do not worry so much about the Russian military-industrial complex. Today it works normally. In case of force majeure (I hate this word), it will work at full speed. There is a production, technological and (most importantly!) Resource base for this. The size of the territory of Russia, and with it the size of the depth of defense, is sufficient for any regular "barbarossa" to get stuck here.
            The Russian army already today has everything it needs to defeat ANY enemy. What has to do with it on a global scale, and not on your narrow-minded "bayraktarny" tactical level.
      2. Dart2027 Online Dart2027
        Dart2027 19 December 2021 08: 03
        +1
        On the contrary, it increases, because it was not made in third-rate countries.
  • Vdars Offline Vdars
    Vdars (Victor) 19 December 2021 01: 53
    +2
    Commentary on the level of a bindyuzhnik - a driver of a horse-drawn cargo carriage!
  • sgrabik Offline sgrabik
    sgrabik (Sergei) 19 December 2021 21: 50
    0
    Myron, here again you are perverting everything, well, what kind of copying, what can be copied there, the most primitive apparatus, its additional study is only necessary to clarify the ways and methods of the most effective counteraction and neutralization, and there is simply nothing to copy there, our Orions and Altiuses are an order of magnitude more technological, well, of course, we have not reached Israel yet, but Bayraktars are already yesterday for us.
    1. Binder Offline Binder
      Binder (Miron) 19 December 2021 23: 01
      -3
      It is clear that the study of equipment and weapons of a potential enemy is aimed, among other things, at the development of methods of counteraction. I am not an expert in the field of unmanned aviation and I will not undertake to judge how much Russian UAVs are superior to Turkish ones, but there is no doubt that the Turks have developed and are successfully massively using their drones in practice in combat conditions, they are improving not only the performance characteristics of products, but also the tactical schemes of their combat work , interaction with manned aircraft and ground forces. There is nothing of the kind in the Russian Armed Forces so far, so to say that for you the Turkish level is already yesterday is somewhat presumptuous, in my opinion.
  • Sergey is not Astakhov at all Offline Sergey is not Astakhov at all
    Sergey is not Astakhov at all (Sergey is not Astakhov at all) 18 December 2021 11: 40
    +6
    These are local experts in all spheres and it is forbidden to challenge their hard-hitting ones! They know like no one else how Russia is dying day after day. Their main motto is ALL PROSRALIPOLIMERS!)))
  • silver169 Offline silver169
    silver169 (Aristarkh Feliksovich) 18 December 2021 17: 50
    -7
    Alas, unfortunately, the gunka is absolutely right in this matter. Read an article published yesterday on "Voennoye Obozreniye" about the extremely sad situation in the production of UAVs in Russia.
  • Stanislav Bykov Offline Stanislav Bykov
    Stanislav Bykov (Stanislav) 18 December 2021 18: 54
    +6
    The success of the Turks is that they adapted guided and corrected ammunition to Bayraktar, and on the Orions produced by the piece, only FAD-50

    An IPS specialist with low social responsiveness, you can only transfer bullshit from your training manual to the same as you, by word of mouth, it does not work on normal people

    The drone can be armed with guided bombs - KAB-20, KAB-50, guided gliding bombs - UPAB-50, free-falling bombs - FAB-50, as well as an aviation guided missile - X-50. In addition, Orion has been tested in Syria since Whirlwind missiles.
  • Nikolaevich I Offline Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I (Vladimir) 18 December 2021 20: 10
    +4
    Quote: gunnerminer
    The success of the Turks is that they have adapted guided and corrected ammunition to Bayraktar. FAD-50.

  • silver169 Offline silver169
    silver169 (Aristarkh Feliksovich) 18 December 2021 17: 53
    -2
    Quote: Kristallovich
    We are even ahead of the Americans in very difficult ones. They closed their project X-47.

    In what way, even ahead of the Americans? Still ahead of the rest? Do you believe it yourself?
    1. Kristallovich Online Kristallovich
      Kristallovich (Ruslan) 18 December 2021 20: 40
      +9
      Are you able to give a reasoned answer? Yes, in the USA, work is now underway on a heavy strike UAV (I would introduce a new class - super-heavy, 20+ tons), but the work is far from complete. Our second prototype was rolled out the other day. The third will most likely already be a serial sample. Essentially there is something to say in contrast?
  • Yuri Alexeev Offline Yuri Alexeev
    Yuri Alexeev (Yuri Alekseev) 19 December 2021 01: 02
    +4
    There is not a single normal country in the military sense on this list. And therefore I draw conclusions that this bird is good enough to drive Armenians around Karabakh and no more.
  • Dust Offline Dust
    Dust (Sergei) 19 December 2021 15: 42
    0
    Bayraktar is not a bad drone, but no one in Russia is going to copy it .... Everything you need to know about it has long been known. The photo where Rogatkin stands in front of him does not say anything ... Yes, he is effective, but this is yesterday. There are much better and more powerful drones in Russia. Indeed, for good reason, these TB-2s, except for Karabakh, have not been shown anywhere. But, there was a disregard for the Armenians to drones. Plus the mountainous terrain, which helped almost unnoticed fly up to the Armenian positions. But on the plain, where there are echeloned various electronic warfare ... TB-2 there is nothing to do ... It is there an easy target for the space forces. The satellite determines the coordinates, transfers it to the rocket crew ... That's it, TB-2's life is over.