CIA: "Tornado" and "Iskander" will allow the Russians to reach the Dnieper in three days


Former US military personnel and various functionaries continue to actively discuss the topic of a "Russian invasion" of Ukrainian soil, fueling hysteria. Recently a Vietnam War retiree рассказал that the Armed Forces of Ukraine will hold out in a battle against the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation no more than 40 minutes. Now to this has been added a whole chorus of high-ranking voices in the past.


Former director of the Russian analysis department at the CIA, George Beebe and ex-adviser to the head of the Pentagon in the Donald Trump administration, retired Colonel Douglas McGregor, believe that in the event of an "attack" by Russia on Ukraine, "Russian troops" will approach the Dnieper River within 3- 4 days. They wrote about this in their joint article for the American magazine National Interest, which is published by the NGO "Center for National Interests" (better known as the Nixon Center).

The authors, who are critical of the current administration of US President Joe Biden, predict that the Russian Armed Forces may "concentrate" about 200 thousand servicemen on the section of the Russian-Ukrainian border. The main striking force of the Russians will be barrel and rocket artillery, as well as missile weapons for operational-tactical purposes and aviation.

In total, Russia can "concentrate on an arc along the border" up to 100 MLRS batteries, including the BM-30 Smerch. The more distant Ukrainian military infrastructure will be destroyed by the Iskander missile system and aviation (manned and unmanned), which will use the latest loitering ammunition.

The above-mentioned Russian grouping will be protected from the air by a deeply echeloned air defense system, which, in addition to aviation, also includes S-400, S-500 air defense systems and numerous electronic warfare / electronic warfare systems. As a result, Ukraine's small air force will be in an extremely disadvantageous position.

At the same time, the White House is not considering the option of direct military intervention by Washington in the event of a conflict between Moscow and Kiev. Therefore, the authors consider the ability of the Armed Forces to resist the RF Armed Forces "extremely doubtful".

Under these conditions, it is quite reasonable to assume that the Russian ground forces will achieve their operational targets on the Dnieper River in just 72-96 hours.

- the authors reported.
  • Photos used: Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation
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  1. rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
    rotkiv04 (Victor) 16 December 2021 13: 46
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    Four crap they have analitics, in three days they will reach Galicia
    1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 16 December 2021 14: 09
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      Reaching the western Ukrainian border is a minimal task. The main task is to turn the territory of Ukraine, at least into a neutral one. In real life, the Russian Ground Forces do not have the ability to conduct operations to an operational depth of up to 200 km. Even if they involve units of the Marines and Airborne Forces.
      1. tulip Offline tulip
        tulip 17 December 2021 17: 47
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        you will simply be hanged, ukrokarately))) and the fact that you serve in the ipso will not save you)
  2. Bakht Offline Bakht
    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 16 December 2021 13: 53
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    More and more, the impression is that Russia is simply being pushed to invade Ukraine. All articles underscore how easily and quickly the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation will defeat the Armed Forces of Ukraine and reach either the Dnieper or Lviv. Moreover, with a guarantee for Russia that the West will not intervene.
    It is quite possible that Zelensky, faced with massive discontent at the beginning of 2022, will provoke a direct confrontation, Russia will be forced to intervene and then the West will send troops into the territory of Ukraine.
    Conclusion - in the event of a military clash, the task of the Russian Armed Forces is not just to defeat the Armed Forces, but to do it as quickly as possible. In just a few days. I don’t know how possible this is from a purely military point of view? Most likely, the main task will not even be the defeat of some brigades and groups. And by no means creating "boilers" (this will delay the operation). And the fastest way to the western regions of Ukraine. And the creation of a no-fly zone over the entire territory of Ukraine.
    1. Bulanov Offline Bulanov
      Bulanov (Vladimir) 16 December 2021 13: 58
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      Success in ending a war always depends on the capture of the enemy's capital.

      "Russian troops" will approach the Dnieper River within 3-4 days.

      More precisely, he can explain to them - "Russian troops" will approach the territory of "Kievan Rus" within 3-4 days.
      1. Bakht Offline Bakht
        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 16 December 2021 14: 02
        +2
        In modern realities, the capital itself is not important. Symbol. It's another matter if a transport interchange is tied to the capital. Although the moral effect can take place.
        Question to the military. How long will the Ukrainian Armed Forces group hold out in eastern Ukraine if it is cut off from the center? How many bridges are there across the Dnieper? Or what is the capacity of warehouses in the east of Ukraine? These are purely military issues. I don’t want to understand them. This is none of my business.
        But literally pushing Moscow towards war, I see clearly. And with the smell of deception. We, they say, will not interfere. Feel free to start.
        1. Bulanov Offline Bulanov
          Bulanov (Vladimir) 16 December 2021 14: 04
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          The capitals are taken in order to plant their own (loyal to the attacking side) government there. From there, send new Decrees. When Lenin took Petrograd, he captured Russia, despite the resistance of the outskirts.
          1. Bakht Offline Bakht
            Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 16 December 2021 14: 10
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            It is imperative to change the government. But why is the capital for this? The capital of Ukraine was once Kharkov. De Gaulle did without a capital. Having taken Petrograd, Lenin did not capture Russia. It took a Civil War and millions of deaths.
            Yes, the capture of Kiev is necessary. But keeping Western troops out (Poland and Hungary at a low start) is much more important.
            1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
              gunnerminer (gunner miner) 16 December 2021 14: 59
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              De Gaulle was supported by powerful allies, Russia without allies, and without reliable companions.
              1. Bakht Offline Bakht
                Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 16 December 2021 15: 28
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                On the issue of Ukraine, allies are not needed. All the same, this abscess will have to be opened. Without allies and fellow travelers. But you won't have to share with anyone.
                1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                  gunnerminer (gunner miner) 16 December 2021 16: 31
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                  Without allies, the Ukrainian problem cannot be solved. The constant shift in the service life of the SP-2 in favor of the Kiev ones. But not in the division of jeans of a not killed animal, but to remain with our own people.
    2. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 16 December 2021 14: 13
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      Conclusion - in the event of a military clash, the task of the Russian Armed Forces is not just to defeat the Armed Forces, but to do it as quickly as possible. In just a few days. I don’t know how possible this is from a purely military point of view?

      In such a period, the defeat of formations and the main defense units is possible, no more, to a depth of 50 km.

      And the creation of a no-fly zone over the entire territory of Ukraine.

      Only for a short period, for a couple of weeks.
      1. Bakht Offline Bakht
        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 16 December 2021 14: 18
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        From a purely military point of view, you are considering the "defeat of formations and defense units." I'm talking about something completely different. Throw to Kiev and further to the west. Perhaps using the Airborne Forces. Leaving "connections and defense units" at the discretion of the LPNR corps.
        A no-fly zone needs to be created for at least a couple of weeks to prevent NATO military transport aircraft.
        "War is too serious a matter to be trusted by the military." It's up to you to plan and carry out the operation with minimal losses. Quickly and efficiently. And the goals will be indicated by the political leadership. No stripes at all.
        By the way, from history. At one time, Bismarck convinced the generals not to take the capital of Austria. And got a loyal government.
        1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
          gunnerminer (gunner miner) 16 December 2021 14: 54
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          Throw to Kiev and further to the west. Perhaps using the Airborne Forces. Leaving "connections and defense units" at the discretion of the LPNR corps.

          We will have to remove units from other districts that have not undergone reinforcement and combat coordination. NATO is unlikely to passively look at these procedures. It is already in the South Caucasus. Active maneuvers of Japanese units and ships will not allow a noticeable derailment of parts of the Eastern District.

          A no-fly zone needs to be created for at least a couple of weeks to prevent NATO military transport aircraft.

          As soon as several NATO transport aircraft are shot down, there will be an escalation of hostilities, for example against the unfinished Kaliningrad defense region, or against Russian peacekeepers in Transnistria.

          Quickly and efficiently. And the goals will be indicated by the political leadership. No stripes at all.

          It was already called science. Serdyukov's finger. In August 2008. For such a short war, with not the most formidable Georgian enemy, the losses were significant. The cause of victory was aided by the low moral qualities of the Georgian command staff.

          At one time, Bismarck convinced the generals not to take the capital of Austria. And got a loyal government.

          Name a person in the Russian government worthy of at least Bismarck's epaulette, for example, among Poltavchenko, Gryzlov, Matvienko, Kozak, Chubais, Kudrin?
          1. Bakht Offline Bakht
            Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 16 December 2021 15: 26
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            Not convinced. According to the West, there are already 175 thousand people in the West of Russia. You don't need to shoot anyone. You are considering a full-scale war. I say that it will not be. There will be "humanitarian intervention".
            Personalities appear at a time of crisis. It often happens
            1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
              gunnerminer (gunner miner) 16 December 2021 15: 35
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              How many of the 175 thousand military personnel are material support units? Home front protection units? During the campaigns in the North Caucasus, the protection of communications and rear units left much to be desired. Since then, the Army has undergone several reductions.

              You are considering a full-scale war. I say that it will not be. There will be "humanitarian intervention".

              In the winter of 2015, there was no humanitarian intervention. The losses of the LDNR units became comparable to the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. For 6 years, the Armed Forces of Ukraine have not degraded at all.

              Personalities appear at a time of crisis. It often happens

              For 30 years, such a personnel system has been created, which excludes the appearance of such persons in responsible positions. Now the highest level of management - the snow would be removed at least in a week, a fountain of boiling water would not pour out for a day.
              1. Bakht Offline Bakht
                Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 16 December 2021 17: 10
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                Not convinced.
                It seems that you are sitting in the General Staff and have complete information.
                My prediction is that Ukraine will fall down within a few days. The problem lies not in the military plane, but in the political one.
                1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                  gunnerminer (gunner miner) 16 December 2021 18: 36
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                  She is predicting this option for seven years. Not with our Russian semi-feudal economy to occupy Ukraine. There is the same system. Only in more caricature forms. After the return of Crimea, hundreds of billions of rubles had to be spent on bringing communications in order. Even more needs to be done. Given the length of the line. contact with the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and the depth of the front of 175 thousand servicemen is not enough for the occupation, control over the territory, maintaining legal order, providing civilians. Part of the buildings and infrastructure will be destroyed. Funds will be required to restore them. Russia already bears the costs of restoring certain Syrian objects , in Karabakh, restoration of the Armed Forces of Armenia and NKAO.
                  1. Bakht Offline Bakht
                    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 16 December 2021 19: 52
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                    Hmm. Indeed, the military's horizons are limited by sight. No more.
                    Help - Russia is unlikely to bear expenses in Karabakh. Karabakh is being restored at the expense of the Azerbaijani budget. But this is by the way. Not related to the topic.
                    So - you advise you to close yourself in the borders of the Russian Federation and not pay attention to the spread of enemy bases to the borders of the state. Completely lost position. Fortunately, the policy of the state is determined not by the military, but by the civilians.
                    I'll try again. But this time, indeed, the last time.

                    The military performs only those tasks that are determined by the political leadership. I agree that Russia, starting from 2014, has not behaved very rationally. And now it is much more difficult to correct the situation.
                    1. Any military operation involves losses. This is an axiom that hardly anyone would dispute. No matter how many coffins, in whatever direction they go (to the East or to the West), human sacrifices will not be forgotten soon. Therefore, a military operation against Ukraine is undesirable. There have been human casualties in Donbass since 2014. On this and it is necessary to stop.
                    2. The capture of the capital of any state will remain in memory for a long time. That is why Bismarck insisted on NOT taking Vienna. And he achieved that Austria-Hungary (Austria, and Hungary too) entered the German sphere of influence for a long time. Therefore, the capture of Kiev can and will be justified militarily, but politically there is no buzz.
                    3. The main task of Russia in the Ukrainian direction is a federal independent state (non-aligned obligatory), neutral to Russia. If you're lucky, it's also friendly. This is the task of number van. The task of namber tu (no less important and follows from the first) is to prevent the infrastructure and NATO bases on the territory of Ukraine. That is, preventing the troops of Hungary and Poland (possibly Romania) from entering the territory of Ukraine. It is for this that the grouping of Russian troops in the western direction is needed. Therefore, I do not exclude that the task of the Russian troops will be in alliance with the Armed Forces of Ukraine to protect the integrity of Ukraine. It certainly looks fantastic. But the integrity of Ukraine can only be preserved by Russia. Only Russia has its own interest in preserving the Ukrainian state.
                    4. The basis for doing this is the change of government in Kiev (not to Russian, but to Ukrainian). On the government that understands the interests of Ukraine. In this regard, Medvedchuk is also suitable (he is a Ukrainian nationalist). Yanukovych will also do (it’s not without reason that the trial has just begun).

                    Conclusions. The grouping of Russian troops on the Ukrainian border is a deployment just in case. If Zelensky blows the roof off completely, then their task is not to fight with the Armed Forces of Ukraine, but to quickly reach the western borders of Ukraine and create a barrier there against the troops of Hungary and Poland. Poles have the most envious eyes. Those brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine that are in the Donbass should be shackled by the forces of the LPNR. Fleet in being.
                    If there is a change of power in Kiev, then the Russian troops should, after stabilizing the situation, transfer the western border to the Armed Forces of Ukraine. And not to fight with them, but to work in conjunction.
                    This is all the task of diplomats. The military can only start acting on the signal of the political leadership and not get involved in politics.

                    - Our business is to shoot. The colonel will think!
                    - If only he had enough sense to think the way it should!
                    1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 16 December 2021 20: 43
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                      Russia is unlikely to bear the cost. Karabakh is being restored at the expense of the Azerbaijani budget. But this is by the way. Not related to the topic.

                      In the Armenian part of Karabakh, expenses are on the Russian side, plus the full restoration of armaments and weapons of the Armenian Armed Forces, which were lost during the hostilities.

                      Fortunately, the policy of the state is determined not by the military, but by the civilians.

                      So Lavrov led to hostile relations with all of Europe, with the United States, with Japan. With countries that are economically more developed than Russia. Lavrov has no reliable companions.

                      Therefore, a military operation against Ukraine is undesirable.

                      The initiative to start hostilities belongs not to Russia, not to Ukraine. Washington, he is a judge and executioner. Worse, if the Armed Forces of Ukraine begin with shelling of Russian peacekeepers in the TMR. Georgian version. NATO took into account the mistakes of that war.

                      In Russia, there is no personality of Bismarck's level. Otherwise, they would not have kneaded dung in the former SAR. And the Turks would not have been allowed to the South Caucasus. Kiev does not represent any military value, as a trophy. Also, you will have to use a couple of motorized rifle regiments to clean up, and maintaining order. With daily losses as in Grozny in 7-1995.

                      The task of namber tu (no less important and follows from the first) is to prevent the infrastructure and NATO bases on the territory of Ukraine.

                      She is already there, in the form of intelligence agencies, advisers, instructors.

                      Only Russia has its own interest in preserving the Ukrainian state.

                      In Russia, state administration is reckless, and even more so in Ukraine. During the hostilities, it will be even more upset.

                      In this regard, Medvedchuk is also suitable (he is a Ukrainian nationalist). Yanukovych will also do (it’s not without reason that the trial has just begun).

                      They are both two, in a peaceful atmosphere they showed themselves to a three with a minus, and in a more difficult one they will huddle under the bench.

                      If Zelensky gets the roof off

                      The decision on the military action is taken by Washington. For a long time, more than a couple of months, maintaining such a set of forces will result in a pretty penny for the Russian treasury.
                    2. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 16 December 2021 20: 47
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                      and quickly reach the western borders of Ukraine and create a barrier there against the troops of Hungary and Poland.

                      It won't work quickly. The onset of winter 2015 was choked up in spite of the presence of Major General Lentsov and other advisers.

                      If there is a change of power in Kiev, then the Russian troops should, after stabilizing the situation, transfer the western border to the Armed Forces of Ukraine. And not to fight with them, but to work in conjunction.

                      Six years did not happen, but now it will happen. laughing

                      In the years since 2014, diplomats have worked so hard that they cannot see themselves behind him, as can be seen from the pale personalities of Lukin and Poltavchenko, Durka K. Volker, compared to them, Bismarck.
  3. 1_2 Offline 1_2
    1_2 (Ducks are flying) 16 December 2021 14: 00
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    we will drop food and vodka from parachutes for the VSUshnikovs, they themselves will drive the Bandera to Poland))
    1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 16 December 2021 14: 14
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      Why didn't they drop in January-February 2015?
      1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
        Just a cat (Bayun) 16 December 2021 14: 34
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        how many Ukrainians do not feed, it will still betray .... checked.
        1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
          gunnerminer (gunner miner) 16 December 2021 14: 57
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          You were not able to effectively work with the Ukrainians, and the Americans far from them, were able to work with them qualitatively, and with the Poles, with the Bulgarians, with the Romanians, with the Balts.
          1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
            Just a cat (Bayun) 16 December 2021 14: 59
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            could not with sahaidachny, khmelnitsky, vygovsky, mazepa ... good luck, work with them further.
            1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
              gunnerminer (gunner miner) 16 December 2021 15: 10
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              You could not work with them. Even through bribery. Americans living on the other side of the world were able to breed their informers and accomplices in Ukraine. Under the noses of the Foreign Ministry, Defense Ministry, GRU, FSB, SVR. And in a relatively short time. Especially with the Ukrainian one. While the Surkovskiy Rosmol was shaking the pseudo-anti-fascist motney, the state agents plowed tirelessly. As Abwehr Vater Oberst Nikolai said, There is no scum in intelligence. There are shots.
              1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
                Just a cat (Bayun) 16 December 2021 15: 44
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                Gyyyy ... what are they to produce ... informers. This is the merit of evolution, not of the Americans. informers were there, are and will be. two Ukrainians - a partisan detachment, three Ukrainians - a partisan detachment with a traitor ... This was known before the Maidan. The NKVD so caught Bandera.
                1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                  gunnerminer (gunner miner) 16 December 2021 16: 36
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                  The NKVD and the USSR do not exist, and there are no leaders of this magnitude and will either. We, in Russia.
                  1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
                    Just a cat (Bayun) 16 December 2021 17: 06
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                    but the Ukrainians are the same ... that with Daniel Galitsky, that with Biden laughing
                    1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 16 December 2021 18: 29
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                      Russia, on the other hand, did not recognize the results of the referendum in Donbass on joining the Russian Federation. Recall that exactly the same referendum as in Crimea was held in Donbass, but Moscow quickly hushed up this topic in view of the obvious legal gaps in the organization of voting. Officially, Russia continues to consider the territories of the DPR and LPR a part of Ukraine, although it grants Russian citizenship to the permanent residents of the region. It is difficult, illogical, but it gives room for political maneuvers for both Russia and Ukraine.
          2. Binder Offline Binder
            Binder (Miron) 17 December 2021 07: 50
            -1
            The fact that the majority of Ukrainian citizens are negatively disposed towards the Russian Federation is not only the effective work of the Western special services, but to a large extent the policy of the Russian leadership, which multiplies enemies both among Ukrainians and in other former republics of the USSR.
            1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
              Just a cat (Bayun) 18 December 2021 05: 47
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              Perhaps this is all Minin and Pozharsky are to blame? prevented the robbery of monasteries in Russia ...
              1. Binder Offline Binder
                Binder (Miron) 18 December 2021 07: 44
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                And what about these gentlemen? fool
                1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
                  Just a cat (Bayun) 18 December 2021 07: 47
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                  at home, the Ukrainians have ALWAYS had a hatred of Russia. And it doesn't matter what they were called and will be called in the future.
                  1. Binder Offline Binder
                    Binder (Miron) 18 December 2021 07: 53
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                    But in general, there is a certain progress, before your more and more talked about the fact that the Ukrainian people did not exist at all, it was allegedly invented by the Austrians ... repeat
                    1. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
                      Just a cat (Bayun) 18 December 2021 16: 48
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                      And where did I write the word "people" here? they also have synonyms, but for such a ban is put.
      2. 1_2 Offline 1_2
        1_2 (Ducks are flying) 16 December 2021 15: 37
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        we are not fools to feed the well-fed and fattened under the rule of Yanuca, seven years of pro-Western starvation and trash of tariffs have passed, now the hungry APUs are waiting for the Russian liberators themselves
        1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
          gunnerminer (gunner miner) 16 December 2021 16: 37
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          A tale for pre-conscripts from the slums of Washington.
  4. Marat. Offline Marat.
    Marat. (Marat.) 18 December 2021 12: 30
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    Just to hammer the Ukrainians, and let the locals clean up from Bandera, it's enough to hide under the sofas.