"Stop feeding" and "let go": Where domestic liberals can lead Russia


A few days ago, a story about a dispute between President Putin and filmmaker Sokurov about what is happening in our country and abroad, as well as different views on the future of the Russian Federation, made a splash. Surprisingly, this verbal duel between Vladimir Vladimirovich and Alexander Nikolaevich simultaneously reflected all the "dark sides" of Russian liberalism, about which we reasoned shortly before.


If you read the comments to the video on YouTube, then a significant part of those who have spoken, although by no means all, support the director Sokurov. Say, well done, a man, a real hero, "told the whole truth in the face of the king," was not afraid. A monument to him must be erected during his lifetime. But did Alexander Nikolaevich tell the whole "truth"?


If you recall the publication of of December 9, 2021, entitled "On the dark side of Russian liberalism", in it we tried to honestly decompose on the shelves the ideas that are being promoted to the masses by the liberals of the Russian spill. The positive ones include, for example, guarantees of inalienable civil rights and freedoms, equality of all before the law, transparency and change of government, etc. Indeed, all of the above should be attributed to the positive achievements of modern human civilization. In his speech, the director Sokurov said a lot about the need to protect the rights of citizens from arbitrariness, about the need for equality of different regions and residents within the federation, about the protection of the heritage of the small peoples of Russia, and so on. In this it is quite possible to identify with the liberals, but, perhaps, only in this.

An unsolvable problem is the fundamental difference in views on the structure of the domestic economics and the arrangement of the very structure of the Russian Federation. Alexander Nikolaevich unwittingly revealed to the world the entire "dark side" of our liberal crowd. Let's talk about the two most important points.

"Stop feeding"


The well-known film director reprimanded President Putin for the fact that not only the “southern regions” with local “padishahs” are supported by the Russian budget, but also Belarus, South Ossetia and Abkhazia, and Syria, which “need to be fed”:

Still, we have rations, in our regiment, and Belarus, South Ossetia, Abkhazia, as far as I understand, we need to help Syria, we need to help the large subsidized southern regions.

Unfortunately, there is some truth in this, but let's ask ourselves the question, where did these problems come from? How did it happen that Belarus became an independent state from Russia, and at the same time Georgia, taking Abkhazia and South Ossetia with it? Why did separatism intensify in the North Caucasus or, for example, in Tatarstan, which now has to be flooded with budget money? Who and why "merged" friendly Syria, that it had to be saved from collapse almost at the last moment and now spend huge funds on maintaining our military group in the SAR and keeping Damascus afloat?

Didn't you, gentlemen, liberals, with your ideas about freedom and democracy, destroyed the Soviet Union, ostensibly in order to have 150 varieties of trashy sausage in stores, and each had two Volgas received for participating in the “popular privatization” Chubais? So it is for you now that you have to clean up, and there is no end or edge to it.

In pursuit of this, I would like to say a few more words about Sokurov's “crocodile tears” about subsidies. If a liberal filmmaker is so against state support for difficult regions or Russia's allies, maybe we need to be consistent and stop budget funding for cinema? Let all these gentlemen go over to self-sufficiency and live off tickets in the theaters. Then the market will judge for itself which of the domestic filmmakers is destined to stay, and who will fall into deserved oblivion.

For example, Mr. Sokurov himself created the Intonation Example Foundation in 2013 to support young talents. For some reason, the liberal-minded director did not disdain to accept funds from the federal and regional budgets in the amount of 20 million rubles. And then there was an unpleasant story, with a check by law enforcement agencies of the message that the filming of the films was carried out according to "inflated estimates." Alexander Nikolaevich himself commented on the situation as follows:

At first, it was a routine routine check that all organizations like us go through. And then the police received a denunciation from a former employee of the foundation. This person borrowed a lot of money from the fund and from me, but, unfortunately, he did not return it either there or to me. As far as I understand, the actions of this gentleman are connected with the desire to somehow get away from the need to repay the debt.

For the sake of fairness, let's say that a criminal case was not opened, the fact of the theft of state subsidies and forgery of financial documents was not confirmed, but the sediment remained. Mr. Sokurov recently closed his foundation. According to the filmmaker, this was done because of the "unfriendliness and aggressiveness of the Ministry of Culture" towards him.

"Let go"


As we established in the article of December 9, the "blue dream" of domestic liberals is the collapse of their own country. One of them, a certain Vadim Shtepa, agreed that instead of the Russian Federation, as many as 60 new states should appear, which supposedly will interact with each other. This can be done according to the plan of the liberals through the transformation of the Russian Federation into a confederation of parliamentary republics. It is obvious that later local nationalists and oligarchs will come to power in these independent parliaments, who will instantly take the country apart into feuding territories.

Alexander Nikolaevich also spoke about something similar:

Let's see what is happening with the Russian state, with our state structure. Let us release everyone who no longer wants to live with us in the same state, we wish them good luck, we wish good luck to all the padishahs, I don’t know, to everyone who would like to start living their own lives.

Apparently, the first to go out, according to the idea of ​​our liberal get-together, should be the North Caucasus with the "padishah". Then, apparently, Tatarstan and Bashkortostan. According to this logic, further: the Kurils - to Japan, Kaliningrad - to Germany, Crimea - to Ukraine. Syria will be finished off and divided between the Turks and the Americans. Belarus without Russian support will end up in the hands of the local opposition and turn into Ukraine-2. Armed extremists supported by external forces will come to the Caucasus. Belarus will turn into a new foothold for the NATO bloc. Japanese and American military bases will appear on the Kuril Islands. Then, under a hail of external and internal socio-economic problems, the remaining Russian Federation will crumble.

This is precisely what the liberalism of the domestic spill with all its "good wishes" is leading our country to. By the way, among the trustees of the Sokurov Foundation was Natalya Solzhenitsyna, the President of the Russian Public Foundation of A. Solzhenitsyn, the famous author of another anti-Soviet pamphlet "The Gulag Archipelago", consisting of a set of propaganda clichés, distortion of facts and Alexander Isaevich's own wild fantasies. This is to understand where all these legs grow from.
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  1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
    gunnerminer (gunner miner) 14 December 2021 12: 40
    -13
    Five minutes of hatred for Sokurov. Reznik touched on an equally important issue, they are silent everywhere. Russia, like the Andropov USSR, became surrounded by enemies. Sokurov urged to think about what the Russia of the future could be. Putin offered not to touch that “subtle matter” of traditions, silences and agreements. Lawyer Henry Reznik spoke about the inadequacy of the reaction of the authorities to opponents at the same council of the HRC with the President, who recalled the long criminal sentences for the plastic cups thrown at the security forces. And in response, he received a charge of verbal balancing act, according to which a glass in our country must necessarily turn into a Kalashnikov assault rifle.
    The most daring ones spoke. The president's reaction was very harsh, and the answer was given with noticeable irritation. The president began to stutter. He had not been asked such questions for 25 years. The problem of interethnic relations is growing, as under the late Gorbachev. The authorities pretend that it does not exist.

    another anti-Soviet pamphlet "The Gulag Archipelago"

    On the 30th year of the collapse of the USSR?
    1. Dart2027 Offline Dart2027
      Dart2027 14 December 2021 19: 22
      +2
      Quote: gunnerminer
      Five minutes of hatred for Sokurov

      Tikhanovsky received 18 years in a strict regime. Sokurov would go to him.
      1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
        gunnerminer (gunner miner) 14 December 2021 19: 28
        -4
        As received, it will be released.
        1. Dart2027 Offline Dart2027
          Dart2027 14 December 2021 19: 55
          0
          In 18 years he will be released.
          1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
            gunnerminer (gunner miner) 14 December 2021 20: 28
            -4
            Much earlier.
            1. Dart2027 Offline Dart2027
              Dart2027 15 December 2021 19: 37
              0
              At the cemetery, maybe earlier.
  2. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 14 December 2021 12: 49
    +1
    Wah! Nobody has ever heard of Sakurov, but here is such a PR!
    In the main villains, liberals write, instead of the unnamed.

    Although the main liberal and democrat is purely positive according to Peskov.
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 14 December 2021 12: 55
      0
      Putin may call himself a liberal, but he is anyone but a liberal.
      1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
        gunnerminer (gunner miner) 14 December 2021 13: 19
        -6
        You can name yourself and stick with labels in any way. The result of activity is important. 20 years is a noticeable, almost Brezhnev period of time.
    2. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 14 December 2021 13: 08
      -6
      Famous filmmaker. President's land. Someone is always to blame. First the communists, then the liberals. Then Obama.
      1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
        Marzhecki (Sergei) 14 December 2021 13: 12
        -2
        Blame specifically for what?
        1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
          gunnerminer (gunner miner) 14 December 2021 13: 21
          -5
          Sokurov asked a tactless, uncomfortable question: Obama is fouling the entrances; the Communists are in poor management; in what will the liberals be guilty in five years' time, we'll find out.
          1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
            Marzhecki (Sergei) 14 December 2021 13: 23
            +4
            What are the Liberals to blame?
            And who, for example, carried out the privatization of state property? Do you have to wait another 5 years to find out the answer to the question?
            Sokurov said a lot, I focused on things that are frankly harmful to my country.
            1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
              gunnerminer (gunner miner) 14 December 2021 13: 42
              -7
              At the moment, it is difficult to objectively determine the guilt of the liberals. It is necessary to determine who they are? How did they seize power? What goals did they set? What did they achieve? What they didn’t achieve, and why? ”
              Regarding privatization. They broke firewood. If they started it with cafes and small enterprises. As in Hungary, Bulgaria, the Czech Republic. In Great Britain, privatizers, under Thatcher, paid taxes. And in Russia the tax system was not debugged, but privatization took place. Me, personally, maybe five years will not be enough. Officials, senators say and do much more harmful things. But they paid attention to Sokurov and Reznik, because they dared to appeal directly to the President. Ramazanchik had already planned something unkind.
            2. Adler77 Offline Adler77
              Adler77 (Denis) 14 December 2021 21: 12
              +4
              How did anyone spend it? Of course, the Communists, members of the CPSU. Didn't you know?
              Everything that they did to the state, all this was done by the communists) the paradox is that no one began to defend the country and its system, people did not even understand what exactly was happening, how “suddenly” the former ardent communists suddenly became capitalists businessmen at the expense of workers and peasants. But like this…
              Well, about "150 types of sausages and two Volga" ...
              Xs, of course, I feel sorry for both the storm and the pioneers ... but how do I remember the drunkenness of the 80-90s
              Eternal gardens and potatoes ... brrr
              And yes, we had to go to Moscow with a paycheck to buy at least some kind of sausage ...
              To go by bus and train, there was no car, and in the whole house, in the Khrushchev, there were only two private cars :)
              Well, now? Sausage for every taste and wallet, at least two cars, take an apartment on a mortgage and live! Well this is communism! Here it is, it has come) everything that Soviet people dreamed of is available ...
              But here's the bad luck, again something is wrong ... there is no justice, and the highest meaning of being.
          2. Valentine Offline Valentine
            Valentine (Valentin) 14 December 2021 15: 07
            +4
            Quote: gunnerminer
            In what the liberals will be guilty, in five years, we will find out.

            Why do you need to drag out for five whole years, you better take a look at the times of the beginning of the reign of the "superintendent of perestroika" Mikhail Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Gaidar, Chubais (enough?), Carefully comprehend their deeds and crimes in the collapse of our huge country, then maybe .. ... although in vain, people like you won't understand this, And your Sokurov will have two Nobel Peace Prizes, and literature, so rejoice, in the row of Muratov, Solzhenitsen, Sakharov, Gorbachev and Aleksievich, a replenishment has arrived - the main thing is to bring down more shit to your country, and you are already a Nobeleat.
            1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
              gunnerminer (gunner miner) 14 December 2021 17: 18
              -7
              The politicians you mentioned cannot plug all the holes and failures. They acted or did not act in the dark, and alone. Sokurov is the same as his opponent. I was personally interested in listening to their bickering, they are, in general, twins.
              1. Valentine Offline Valentine
                Valentine (Valentin) 14 December 2021 19: 02
                0
                Apparently, the "dashing nineties" did not reach your livers, when people like you threw into the abyss such a huge and powerful country as the USSR, together with its 320 million people, and if it were not for Putin, who gathered the present Russia from the fragments of the USSR, and together with Shoigu, who did not recreate our new army with advanced weapons, then we would already be under the American boot, and the people would be waiting for the fate of the North American Indians, and this would be with the ardent assistance of the individuals of the liberal wing listed below. and, apparently, you are not welcome here, but you keep rushing and rushing here, trying to sniff your heresy into our ears, which no longer interests anyone ...
                You do not have to answer, you are not interesting to me.
                1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                  gunnerminer (gunner miner) 14 December 2021 19: 24
                  -3
                  He did not have such opportunities to throw the USSR into the abyss, or into the abyss.

                  if not for Putin, who gathered the present Russia from the fragments of the USSR,

                  His main loss is the loss of Ukraine and Kazakhstan. Two anti-Russian states. Ukraine to a greater extent, Kazakhstan to a lesser extent. For now. The National Fund of Kazakhstan is kept in the United States. The grandchildren and children of the local elite receive their education in military educational institutions of Great Britain and the United States, China, Turkey. Abkhazia, South Ossetia, PMR financial black holes. Belarus is a separate sad song.

                  Your arguments have run out. Better get ready. Read more, at least about Russia.
                2. Captain stoner Offline Captain stoner
                  Captain stoner (Captain Stoner) 14 December 2021 19: 59
                  +4
                  like the USSR, together with its 320 million people,

                  I did not read further. Doctors say forgetfulness is the first sign of dementia. This is exactly the case.
  3. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 14 December 2021 12: 56
    +1
    Quote: gunnerminer
    another anti-Soviet pamphlet "The Gulag Archipelago"

    On the 30th year of the collapse of the USSR?

    What is your question?
    The USSR was destroyed, now it's the turn of the Russian Federation. Under the most plausible pretexts, as always.
    1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 14 December 2021 13: 17
      -2
      Here's what: After 30 years since the disappearance of the USSR, recalling the anti-Soviet is rather extravagant. Those who planned the collapse of the USSR planned that the process of collapse would end when
      will remain a handful of warring Bantustans. The USSR collapsed with 12 nuclear warheads, with powerful armed forces and law enforcement agencies. Without missile, air, nuclear strikes. Own little hands. Now, too, there is no direct military action. But the results of material and human losses as after nuclear tactical blows. Gadskie Sokurovs and Rezniks, liberals.
      1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
        Marzhecki (Sergei) 14 December 2021 13: 25
        0
        Here's what: After 30 years since the disappearance of the USSR, it is rather extravagant to recall the anti-Soviet.

        Fine. Because now the same people got the old training manual.

        With their little hands. Now, too, there are no direct military actions. But the results of material and human losses are the same as after nuclear tactical strikes. The Gadskie Sokurovs and Rezniks are liberals.

        So who did it? Liberal Chubais? Liberal Kudrin? Liberal Gref? Liberal .... (substitute your last name)?
        Liberals are simply divided into those who are in power and those who want to power.
        Well, and there is still above all of them Putin, who is either a liberal, or a statesman, or don’t understand who.
        1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
          gunnerminer (gunner miner) 14 December 2021 13: 44
          -4
          Fine. Because now the same people got the old training manual.

          So the same people are in power.

          So who did it? Liberal Chubais? Liberal Kudrin? Liberal Gref? Liberal .... (substitute your last name)?

          These questions are more unpleasant than the Sokurov-Reznikovs.
      2. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
        Marzhecki (Sergei) 14 December 2021 13: 32
        +1
        Here's what: After 30 years since the disappearance of the USSR, recalling the anti-Soviet is rather extravagant. Those who planned the collapse of the USSR planned that the process of collapse would end when
        will remain a handful of warring Bantustans. The USSR collapsed with 12 nuclear warheads, with powerful armed forces and law enforcement agencies. Without missile, air, nuclear strikes. Own little hands. Now, too, there is no direct military action. But the results of material and human losses as after nuclear tactical blows. Gadskie Sokurovs and Rezniks, liberals.

        You may be fumbling about the military topic, but I definitely understand better in politics and jurisprudence, fortunately I have both legal and journalistic education, and now I have a master's degree in political science. hi
        So I perfectly understand what, what and why I am writing.
        1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
          gunnerminer (gunner miner) 14 December 2021 13: 51
          -2
          My congratulations to you. Master of Political Science. With all due respect to your education. The text shows how educated a person is. I do not live in the Canadian backwaters, and I do not live in the Parisian slums. I see with my own eyes. Russia suffers losses as after tactical nuclear strikes. Disappeared enterprises of machine-tool building, mechanical engineering, aircraft industry, shipbuilding. All shipping companies went bankrupt. And there were only large, four. The population is declining rapidly. HIV, drug addiction, alcoholism are raging. The consumption of alcohol in the ocean is an indicator of moral trouble in the country.

          You may be on a military topic and fumble,

          I express my personal opinion on the basis of information available to anyone showing even a superficial interest in military topics.
          1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
            Marzhecki (Sergei) 14 December 2021 14: 31
            0
            Thanks for your kind words.

            Master of Science in Political Science.

            In a year. hi When I defend myself.

            I can see it with my own eyes. Russia is suffering losses as after tactical nuclear strikes. The enterprises of machine-tool building, mechanical engineering, aircraft industry, shipbuilding have disappeared. All shipping companies have gone bankrupt. There were only four of them. The population is declining rapidly. HIV, drug addiction, alcoholism are raging. The consumption of the ocean of alcohol is an indicator moral trouble in the country.

            By the way, I am not defending Putin and his team, but my country to the best of my modest capabilities. What is happening in my country, I see and try to write honestly about it.
            1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
              gunnerminer (gunner miner) 14 December 2021 17: 03
              -4
              In a year. hi When I defend myself.

              IMHO the hardest science.

              By the way, I am not defending Putin and his team, but my country to the best of my modest capabilities. What is happening in my country, I see and try to write honestly about it.

              Similarly, Putin is better than his predecessors. But far from Lee Kuan Yew or Mohammad Tahrir or Chiang Kai Shi. The President met. But judging by the results, these meetings did not make an impression on him. And all three leaders accepted their states far from well. Taiwan was especially ruined.
    2. Vdars Offline Vdars
      Vdars (Victor) 14 December 2021 13: 24
      +3
      That is it. Does Sokurov want to survive the Gaidar shock again ?! And whether these reforms did not affect him? !!
      1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
        gunnerminer (gunner miner) 14 December 2021 13: 54
        -5
        Anything can happen, and such that Gaidar's kunshtuks will go down for a children's holiday.
    3. Adler77 Offline Adler77
      Adler77 (Denis) 14 December 2021 21: 18
      -1
      I believe that they are all harmful, and Putin and Ramzan and Sokurov. None of them meet the current needs of the Russian Federation.
      It's only the beginning …
  4. Jacques sekavar Offline Jacques sekavar
    Jacques sekavar (Jacques Sekavar) 14 December 2021 13: 21
    +4
    The majority voted for the amendments to the basic law not only of the state education in general, but also in each (!!!) subject of the Federation separately.
    The law of uneven development speaks of the uneven development of state institutions and regions within them and justifies this. Because the talk that some regions live at the expense of others is subversive activity in its purest form, and, intertwining with this a national, ethnic, racial, religious factor, is also the incitement of interethnic hatred.
    1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 14 December 2021 13: 56
      -3
      Interethnic strife is already burning and blazing. Without talk, and besides the laws. From the Syrian bridgehead, more than one plane of relatives of ISIS members was delivered, and I continue to deliver from Afghanistan, to Russian territory.
  5. beeper Offline beeper
    beeper 14 December 2021 13: 48
    +3
    A. Solzhenitsyn, the famous author of another anti-Soviet pamphlet "The Gulag Archipelago", consisting of a set of propaganda clichés, distorting facts and Alexander Isaevich's own wild fantasies.

    * PAMFLET
    A hot, sharp satirical article, a brochure, usually of a political nature, directed against someone else.

    hi Sergey, I am inclined to believe that Solzhenitsyn's "Gulag Archipelago" is, nevertheless, anti-Soviet libel! winked

    **PESQUEILLE
    Slanderous essay with offensive attacks.

    There is not even a hint of satire and topicality in the vile little book of the vile hypocrite opportunist Lzhenitsyn, there is "solid" -slander and insulting attacks on the Soviet regime!
    Even my grandfather, a "counterrevolutionary" (a Ukrainian "samostinyk of the 1920s, an unwitting builder of the White Sea Canal and a valiant home front worker during the Great Patriotic War, from the late 1920s to the mid-1940s, with short breaks for escapes and captures on the denunciation of" well-wishers ", a prisoner this very Gulag and who experienced and saw a lot in it ... and a lot to us, my grandchildren, who told about it), when I, during the "perestroika", asked him about his impression of the just read Solzhenitsyn's "most truthful book about Stalin's concentration camps "(previously advertised in every possible way by enemy" radio voices "which this my grandfather loved to listen to, along with listening and watching all our news and political television broadcasts, and reading the newspapers Izvestia, Socialist Industry and "Silski visti")!
    My grandfather, when we got him to read this thick book, "dreamed of by him," this "archiGoose writer") and he, sitting over her at the table in the evenings, finally read, then he only said, as he cut off:
    "Brahnya vse, yogo there ne bulo (It's all lies, he (this deceitful" writer ") was not in the Gulag)! And I didn’t want to hear anything about such Solzhenitsyn anymore, and if someone tried to mention this “authoritative writer”, then they simply categorically cut them off with the words:"Ne to show meny bilshe about new! (Don't tell me more about him!)"
    And about Sokurov's "trick", I have already expressed everything I wanted "on the fresh trail" in the comments on VO! winked
    1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 14 December 2021 14: 00
      -5
      Solzhenitsyn goes out for 20 years, then they extol him for 20 years, they ride around the country on the train. When Peter the fried peck starts to peck, they go out again. Let off harmful steam.
      1. beeper Offline beeper
        beeper 14 December 2021 14: 05
        +3
        hi Poor Russian schoolchildren who were obliged to study the "creativity" of this, so revered by the capitalist, noteworthy "patriot"!
        Under Solzhenitsyn at school, with Michael Mechen, still alive and without trial, who was not even deprived of the highest Russian awards and an undeserved pension, with flourishing EBN centers, Putin's public "regrets" about the collapse of our Soviet Union, what do you think ?!
        1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
          gunnerminer (gunner miner) 14 December 2021 16: 53
          -4
          Solzhenitsyn, M. Gorabchev and his Raisa Maksimovna did not parachute from a NATO plane at night. They grew up in the USSR. And Sokurov, Reznik and their opponent are of the same field.
  6. Pink 123 Floyd 328 (Pink Floyd) 14 December 2021 13: 59
    -7
    Not everyone succeeds in throwing public accusations in the face of the president, and not at any time. And Sokurov hit the mark - you could see how while Sokurov was delivering his manifesto, Putin was filled with black anger. But Sokurov's words were not convincing enough. Publicly. It was supposed to be a performance in the spirit of Zola "I blame!" Instead, there was a clearly belated offer to let go of those who do not want to live with us. I meant the North Caucasus, in particular, Chechnya. At a time when many Chechens really did not want to live with Russia, Sokurov, together with Nikita Mikhalkov, Zurab Tsereteli, Karen Shakhnazarov and other friends of Putin, signed a shameful text in which the signers supported Putin with his policy of "getting in the toilet." The essence of that letter signed by Sokurov:

    By electing the new President of Russia Vladimir Putin, the man who took responsibility for the operation in Chechnya, the citizens of Russia clearly expressed their will ...

    Those who did not want to live with Russia are now either lying in the ground or have left. And the padishah, as Sokurov correctly called Kadyrova, does not at all want to part with Putin's Russia, which pays him an abundant tribute. Sokurov challenged Putin, but was imprecise and unconvincing, and therefore became an easy prey for Putin. Well, and the statement of Alexander Nikolaevich that "Russia supports Syria" is perplexing ...
  7. gorenina91 Offline gorenina91
    gorenina91 (Irina) 14 December 2021 14: 24
    0
    "Stop feeding" and "let go": Where domestic liberals can lead Russia

    - Ha ... - "Sokurov said; Sokurov asked" and so on ...
    - Yes, what matters here ... here ... here - exactly Sokurov in general ???
    - It's just that the time has come to ask "similar questions" - this is the "time" that asked these questions ... - with the help of Sokurov ...
    - "Vremya" also asked questions (yesterday's, the day before yesterday's questions) to our president ... - that's all ...
    - And our guarantor turned out to be absolutely unprepared to answer these "questions the day before yesterday" ... - Because it's one thing every year to sit and speak the same speeches "in Valdai"; but another thing is to explain the reason ... to explain the reason for the monstrous economic and social cataclysms that have taken place in full swing in Russia ...
    - When did this happen in Russia (over the past 50 years, what was before 1990) so that the whole country could somehow assemble two or three new fighters in a whole year ??? - And where are the new clinics with modern medical equipment and where are the cheap domestic medicines and drugs ??? - I will get rid of other "examples" ...
    - Well, what did our guarantor "answer" ???
    - And what does Sokurov have to do with it ??? - Well, not Sokurov - so others will ask similar questions ... - what's the difference ...
  8. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 14 December 2021 14: 33
    0
    Quote: pishchak
    A. Solzhenitsyn, the famous author of another anti-Soviet pamphlet "The Gulag Archipelago", consisting of a set of propaganda clichés, distorting facts and Alexander Isaevich's own wild fantasies.

    * PAMFLET
    A hot, sharp satirical article, a brochure, usually of a political nature, directed against someone else.

    Sergei, I am inclined to believe that Solzhenitsyn's "GULAG Archipelago" is, nevertheless, an anti-Soviet libel!
    ** PSUKVILLE
    Slanderous essay with offensive attacks.

    Attention! smile
  9. Dimy4 Offline Dimy4
    Dimy4 (Dmitriy) 14 December 2021 14: 33
    +4
    In Russia, a liberal = a traitor. This is how they defined themselves with their ideas.
  10. 1_2 Offline 1_2
    1_2 (Ducks are flying) 14 December 2021 14: 35
    0
    to stop feeding, people need to be given a "bait", that is, to build factories, factories, collective farms, jobs with decent wages, this must be done throughout the Russian Federation. But although the Kremlin has announced import substitution (and it is going slowly), it continues to believe in the invisible hand of the market that will regulate and create everything, but this is a big mistake.
  11. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
    steelmaker 14 December 2021 14: 36
    0
    Putin is in his repertoire. I picked up lured mongrels for conversation. I’ve got used to the fact that everyone is "jumping" around him, as at press conferences and all sorts of direct lines. But something went wrong! The lured mongrel, instead of licking, bit. Proposing not to solve the problem, but to ruin everything. How else? When Putin gives power to mediocrity and thieves, there comes a time when it seems to them that little is enough. The brain turns off self-preservation, from big free money and from impunity.
    Putin will never talk to either Grudinin, or Glazyev, or Delyagin. Because they will not only criticize, but offer what needs to be done. And this is a state approach. This is unacceptable to Putin! How, then, to steal? Therefore, for him, Sobchak, Navalny, Sokurov, which only offer to destroy, are dearer. Here he is on a "horse" - straight "dear father".

    For some reason, the liberal-minded director did not disdain to accept funds from the federal and regional budgets in the amount of 20 million rubles.

    I will not be surprised if Sokurov, after this conversation, will receive some more money, for something.
    1. gorenina91 Offline gorenina91
      gorenina91 (Irina) 14 December 2021 14: 55
      -7
      "For some reason, the liberal-minded director did not hesitate to accept funds from the federal and regional budgets in the amount of 20 million rubles."
      I will not be surprised if Sokurov, after this conversation, will receive some more money, for something.

      - Ha, yes - at least someone - for once - said something ...
      - And you, that = would like the sailors with rifles, belted on top of their pea jackets with machine-gun belts, to come in and proclaim:

      "Which ones are temporary here? Get off! Your time is up."

      - Sokurov said at least something ... - said "NOT laudatory" to our guarantor ... - and that's the thing ...
      - As for the "sailors" - then it will not reach them in Russia ... - It's just that Russia will be swallowed up by China even earlier (even "before the sailors") ... only "horns and legs" will remain ... - so. ....................
      1. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
        steelmaker 14 December 2021 15: 05
        -2
        Sokurov said at least something

        Show off, do not roll bags. Sobchak says, Navalny says, what's next? Sokurov has everything to do something useful for the country. And give a fishing rod and teach a fish to catch, that he does not have enough intelligence or money? With the mindset of Sokurov, Alaska was sold and the USSR was destroyed. One loot in my head!
        1. gorenina91 Offline gorenina91
          gorenina91 (Irina) 14 December 2021 15: 24
          -3
          Sokurov has everything to do something useful for the country. And give a fishing rod and teach a fish to catch, that he does not have enough intelligence or money?

          - Sokurov has nothing - except for his fanciful films ... - here you personally - have you seen at least one of his films ??? - Even with a fishing rod in your hands, you won't watch his films ... - when you get tired of watching the float ... - It is necessary not to spare your personal time and have such endurance to contemplate these films !!!
          - Yes, and Sokurov does not have any "fishing rod" ... - he is a "free artist" and so on ... - and he can teach little ... - And how to fish - he will not teach this - that's for sure .. ...
          - But you never know in the history of mankind there were idlers and clumsy people who became leaders, presidents, chieftains, rulers, etc. .. = Hahah ...
          - And today for Russia it is important that - first you need to separate the "fishermen" from the "other people" (freeloaders) - and then start and "fish" ...
          - Otherwise, no "fishing" will work ... - and Sokurov (and others like him) - here ... here ... here - not "in business" at all ... - "sailors" are necessary for this .. ...
    2. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 14 December 2021 17: 22
      -1
      Putin will never talk to either Grudinin, or Glazyev, or Delyagin.

      I will not be surprised if Sokurov, after this conversation, will receive some more money, for something.

      100 + !! good Especially with Delyagin. He was simply frightened of Grudinin. Business proposals are worse than a nuclear strike.
  12. consultant Offline consultant
    consultant 14 December 2021 16: 07
    0
    Solzhenitsyn believed that the hatred of the West was directed at communism in Russia (which he opposed) and only after leaving there he realized "that Russia will always threaten the interests of the West, no matter what kind of government it has" https://rg.ru/2014 /10/01/soljenicin.html
  13. viktortarianik Offline viktortarianik
    viktortarianik (Victor) 14 December 2021 17: 33
    +1
    Such as Sokurov and will lead the country to the abyss. This "intelligentsia" only knows how to chat and ruin.
    1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 14 December 2021 19: 32
      -3
      Lizobies and flatterers will lead the object of flattery on the lasso, directly to NATO's field kitchen. Libyan version.
  14. zenion Offline zenion
    zenion (zinovy) 14 December 2021 20: 06
    +1
    This is exactly how Churchill let go of the former Great Abortanian countries, and the empire collapsed.
  15. zenion Offline zenion
    zenion (zinovy) 14 December 2021 20: 53
    +1
    Reminds me of an old anecdote.

    Uncle and nephew went into the forest to pick mushrooms. Dispersed, looking. After some time, the nephew shouts - Uncle, I caught a bear here! Uncle shouts - why do you need him, let him go! Nephew - uncle, I would have let him go, but I can't.

    Strange: the living will envy the dead.
  16. stopkran Offline stopkran
    stopkran (Everybody Napindos) 15 December 2021 09: 15
    +3
    And who is Sokurov? Normal people from his "creativity" just "vomit and kidat". This liberast shit on the USSR, now he just shits on Russia in the same way. It is in vain that he imagines himself to be the brain of the nation, in fact, he is a Lenin-style turd. ))

    In the satire “Cultured People”, a liberal says: “I was sitting at home and, as usual, did not know what to do with myself. I wanted something: either the constitution, or the sevryuzhins with horseradish, or to rip someone off. It would have flashed through my head first, flashed in my head, and to the side ... And then, having proved to be well-intentioned, you can dream about constitutions at your leisure. " Saltykov-Shchedrin M.E.

    Fedor Tyutchev, poet:

    Wasted work!
    No, you can’t understand them:
    The more liberal, the vulgar;
    Civilization is a fetish for them,
    But their idea is not available to them.
    As before her, do not bend, gentlemen,
    You do not get recognition from Europe:
    In her eyes you will always be
    They are not servants of enlightenment, but servants.

    Klyuchevsky V.O. about the "creative", liberal intelligentsia:
    1) People with a patchwork worldview sewn from newspaper and magazine scraps.

    2) Sectarians with hardened commandments, but without a way of thinking and even without the ability to think.

    3) Slivers floating with the flow, with only words and appetites.
  17. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 15 December 2021 11: 14
    +1
    Quote: stopkran
    1) People with a patchwork worldview sewn from newspaper and magazine scraps.

    2) Sectarians with hardened commandments, but without a way of thinking and even without the ability to think.

    It looks like some of my acquaintances with relevant views ...
  18. shiva Offline shiva
    shiva (Ivan) 15 December 2021 14: 22
    +4
    So far I have not read either the article or the comments - I will just share my lively attitude towards Mr. Sokurov and others like him. And then compare.
    So, stop feeding and letting go - it made sense for Vladimir Vladimirovich right during this conversation to do so - no cinema funds, the Russian passport was canceled - within 18 hours to arrive at the Sheremetyev transit zone - there they will be given a week's supply of water, soap and a toothbrush. And then - as you want.
    I don’t remember a single hot film by Mr. Sokurov - why should I pay my taxes on it? If the beau monde likes his films - which openly humiliate a certain and not the smallest part of the Russian population - let the beau monde spend money, not the cinema fund. Stop feeding and let go!
    Let him nail a fraud to himself, let him get drunk in Hollywood because of the super-demand, for me - as before his films and to his social position.
    He's right - stop feeding and letting go. Starting with yourself. A living example, and then just a corpse. Because when this scarecrow dies, no one will give money to bring its stinking ashes to the Novodevichy cemetery, or to the Donskoy Monastery, close to Solzhenitsyn. This genetic trash, as Ksyusha Sobchak said, is superfluous here.
  19. General Black Offline General Black
    General Black (Gennady) 15 December 2021 15: 11
    +1
    Let him nail the fraud with nails,

    And let the cadet Bigler, that is, "gunnerminer", stand behind him and give him nails.
  20. tulip Offline tulip
    tulip 15 December 2021 16: 16
    +1
    Why doesn't the USA want to let go of Texas, England, Scotland, Spain of the Basques, and Ukraine, Donbass?)))
  21. NatiKoshka_87 Offline NatiKoshka_87
    NatiKoshka_87 (Ela) 16 December 2021 04: 58
    -2
    I still can't understand one thing. On what basis are the same Abkhazia and Ossetia, for example, considered Russia? These are the former Georgian lands and the people living there correspond to them, and these are not Russians or Slavs in the overwhelming majority, and if we speak in the abstract, they are Caucasians. Is it possible to consider Caucasian formations in any form, as well as the Caucasians themselves as part of Russia - Russia and Russians? I do not think. And if so, on what basis? What is Russia and Russian? The same applies to the rest of the subjects of the Russian Federation in the person of Chechnya, Dagestan, Tatarstan, Bashkortostan and others. After all, ethically and mentally, historically and culturally, this is not Russia and not Russians, not Slavs. This gives rise to legitimate questions - what are they doing as part of Russia and why are they considered to be Russia, Russians? It’s somehow incomprehensible and illogical.

    Is Crimea Russia? Russians? The answer is more yes than no. For the overwhelming majority of the population of Crimea are Russians and Slavs. Luhansk and Donbass? The same can be said. And what about Ossetia and Abkhazia? Aldeady no. And if not, what are they doing as part of Russia and why are they considered to be Russia? Because you wanted to live with Russia after the war with Georgia? And what then turns out that everyone who wishes, represented by any country and formation, can stick to Russia and live with it and at its expense, and at the same time suddenly be considered Russia and Russians? So what? It turns out according to this logic.

    It is for this reason that many Russians, oh sorry, Russians, do not want to feed everyone else at their own expense (strangers mentally and ethnically, culturally, etc.) and keep them on their necks like parasites, parasites and parasites living off Russia, in all senses, as well as the countries that generally lower the standard of living of Russians and consume resources where the Russians themselves live. Russians themselves want to live well separately, albeit in the form of a not very large in territory and formation of a primordially Russian land inhabited by primordially Russians and Slavs, and all non-Russians and non-Slavs parasites, parasites and parasites with their territories, to throw off their necks in order to get rid of this heavy burden. The USSR suffered from them at one time. Now, albeit in smaller volumes, the RF also suffers. And why? How can Russia and Russian be called ethnically, mentally, culturally, historically, alien to Russia and Russian education and keep it with you and feed? How and why and why? This is what Sokurov was talking about. And in what way is he wrong? What is wrong with all those Russians who do not want to feed at their own expense all the others in their composition, who are not Russians and Slavs, neither culturally, nor ethnically, nor nationally, nor according to mentality, nor historically, even with their own lands?

    There are two ways to resolve this issue. Get rid of the politics and tactics of the land collector (imperial nostalgia) and throw (let go) all the others as parasites from their Russian body, who are not natively Russia and Russian, Slavs. Or to arrange genocide, to clear these lands of all strangers to the Russians and Slavs, and then, they can be considered Russian and inhabited by Russians, Slavs. This is how lands are collected and become personal and united within the framework of any country and entity. And what's wrong with this path? The question is rhetorical.
    1. shiva Offline shiva
      shiva (Ivan) 16 December 2021 07: 58
      +2
      You're not right. You've watched Sokurov's films. You can't look like that at night. Otherwise, there will be nightmares and delirium will begin at 5 am.
      Pursuing an imperial policy of expansion, Russia has never used genocide as a means, all peoples were a priori considered fraternal.
      Why do you consider your neighbors to be parasites? Aren't you a parasite yourself? What are you doing useful for the country, for your neighbors, for other people?
      Why mention the words "Russians, Slavs" so many times in the text? Poke your finger at least one Russian primordial Slav from your entourage. Or name your great-grandmother's middle name.
      Whom do you personally feed, what bothers you?
      Are you sowing, plowing? Do you work hard at the factory? Whom do you feed and how? Do you sweep the streets, bake bread, build houses? What kind of creature are you born in 87?
      1. NatiKoshka_87 Offline NatiKoshka_87
        NatiKoshka_87 (Ela) 16 December 2021 15: 15
        0
        Quote: shiva
        You're not right. You've watched Sokurov's films. You can't look like that at night. Otherwise, there will be nightmares and delirium will begin at 5 am.
        Pursuing an imperial policy of expansion, Russia has never used genocide as a means, all peoples were a priori considered fraternal.
        Why do you consider your neighbors to be parasites? Aren't you a parasite yourself? What are you doing useful for the country, for your neighbors, for other people?
        Why mention the words "Russians, Slavs" so many times in the text? Poke your finger at least one Russian primordial Slav from your entourage. Or name your great-grandmother's middle name.
        Whom do you personally feed, what bothers you?
        Are you sowing, plowing? Do you work hard at the factory? Whom do you feed and how? Do you sweep the streets, bake bread, build houses? What kind of creature are you born in 87?

        I haven't watched any of Sokurov's films yet.

        On what basis were other peoples included in the Russian Federation considered and are considered fraternal? Not everyone thinks so. This was especially evident in the moments of the collapse of the USSR. As fraternal peoples, they were the first to scatter. And why collect land, take other countries into its composition, and alien all over Russia, so that? They will not support themselves and help Russia in everything. On the contrary, to live at her expense. How subsidized. And isn't it happening today?

        This is not my opinion, but the Russians living in the Russian Federation, because all these subjects are part of the Russian Federation, subsidized, they are fed at the expense of the country's budget, when this money could be directed to the Russians.

        Why mention the Slavs so many times? And because the Russians, these are the former Rus, the Rus, they are Slavs. Can a Caucasian be Russian or Slav like any other? After all, Russian is primarily a definition of ethnicity and nationality.

        My great-grandmother on my father's side was Russian, with a Russian surname, a native of the Kursk region. Which at one time fled from the Chekists to the Caucasus, after dispossession and execution of her family. For they were kulaks and anti-Sovietists.

        Again, where am I? I'm not speaking for myself, but for those Russians who want to stop feeding all strangers. And where are they wrong?
        1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
          Marzhecki (Sergei) 16 December 2021 16: 03
          +2
          On what basis were other peoples included in the Russian Federation considered and are considered fraternal? Not everyone thinks so.

          Based on the fact that they were one Soviet people.

          My great-grandmother on my father's side was Russian, with a Russian surname, a native of the Kursk region. Which at one time fled from the Chekists to the Caucasus, after dispossession and execution of her family. For they were kulaks and anti-Sovietists.

          Which (USSR) was destroyed by people like you.
          The kulak is a rural usurer, and therefore an anti-Soviet. Therefore, they were evicted, and the most irreconcilable were shot.
          1. NatiKoshka_87 Offline NatiKoshka_87
            NatiKoshka_87 (Ela) 16 December 2021 17: 10
            -1
            Quote: Marzhetsky
            On what basis were other peoples included in the Russian Federation considered and are considered fraternal? Not everyone thinks so.

            Based on the fact that they were one Soviet people.

            My great-grandmother on my father's side was Russian, with a Russian surname, a native of the Kursk region. Which at one time fled from the Chekists to the Caucasus, after dispossession and execution of her family. For they were kulaks and anti-Sovietists.

            Which (USSR) was destroyed by people like you.
            The kulak is a rural usurer, and therefore an anti-Soviet. Therefore, they were evicted, and the most irreconcilable were shot.

            Of course, I don’t argue. My father is also anti-Soviet. That, nevertheless, even during the existence of the USSR, this did not prevent him from using its benefits, but he called the USSR a madhouse.
    2. tulip Offline tulip
      tulip 16 December 2021 11: 14
      0
      Tatarstan and Bashkiria are 50% Russians. How will you share? In the districts?))) My first wife is Tatar, and my brother is still married to a Tatar - three children. Separate his wife too?))) My friends are Tatars, Yakuts and even Koreans, who have been living with us since the time of imperial Russia. A Bashkir from my company pulled me out of the shelling in Grozny as a wounded man. Finish him too?
      1. NatiKoshka_87 Offline NatiKoshka_87
        NatiKoshka_87 (Ela) 16 December 2021 15: 19
        +1
        Quote: Mikhail Alekseev
        Tatarstan and Bashkiria are 50% Russians. How will you share? In the districts?))) My first wife is Tatar, and my brother is still married to a Tatar - three children. Separate his wife too?))) My friends are Tatars, Yakuts and even Koreans, who have been living with us since the time of imperial Russia. A Bashkir from my company pulled me out of the shelling in Grozny as a wounded man. Finish him too?

        Well, that means if 50% of Russians live in Bashkiria, then leave the Russians, deport the Bashkirs) This is how you can not only divide, but clear the land of aliens. And you don't have to separate anything.

        If you had a Tatar wife, then you had to live in Tatarstan. On her historic land.

        In general, I am not promoting the idea of ​​separation, but I am asking questions of those who are in favor of separation and dropping, letting go within the framework of stop feeding. Where are they wrong? The USSR once fed everyone, and then everyone was the first to run away. And at the same time, the same Moscow and other regions of Soviet Russia lived worse and poorer than subsidized republics and regions within the USSR. The same Georgia as a subsidized republic within the USSR was very rich. Better than Moscow. Didn't that mean anything?
        1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
          Marzhecki (Sergei) 16 December 2021 16: 01
          0
          If you had a Tatar wife, then you had to live in Tatarstan. On her historic land.

          Why on earth?
          1. NatiKoshka_87 Offline NatiKoshka_87
            NatiKoshka_87 (Ela) 16 December 2021 17: 13
            0
            Quote: Marzhetsky
            If you had a Tatar wife, then you had to live in Tatarstan. On her historic land.

            Why on earth?

            Well, because not all Russians will like this. And men are not yet called inkers. But Russian and Slavic girls and women are still called inkwells for their connection with foreign peoples, alien to Russians by ethnicity and nationality, mentally, culturally, etc.
            1. tulip Offline tulip
              tulip 16 December 2021 20: 15
              +1
              inkwells are now all in Kiev, they work out Caucasian, Turkish and Arab tourists, and indeed everyone)))
              1. NatiKoshka_87 Offline NatiKoshka_87
                NatiKoshka_87 (Ela) 16 December 2021 22: 44
                0
                Quote: Mikhail Alekseev
                inkwells are now all in Kiev, they work out Caucasian, Turkish and Arab tourists, and indeed everyone)))

                But doesn't this apply to Russian girls and women of Slavic intervention living in the Russian Federation and similarly working out Caucasian, Turkish and Arab tourists as well as entering into communication (relations, etc.) with non-Russian ethnic and nationalities? As a rule, Russian men call girls inkpots, as if offensively because local girls and women chose not them, but aliens, strangers, migrants, tourists, and so on and so forth, as if they were spoiling the gene pool of the nation. Although it is their full and personal right to choose whom and why, and why, regardless of the reasons and intentions, goals.
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    3. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 16 December 2021 16: 00
      +1
      I still can't understand one thing. On what basis are the same Abkhazia and Ossetia, for example, considered Russia? These are the former Georgian lands and the people living there correspond to them, and these are not Russians or Slavs in the overwhelming majority, and if we speak in the abstract, they are Caucasians. Is it possible to consider Caucasian formations in any form, as well as the Caucasians themselves as part of Russia - Russia and Russians? I do not think.

      And on what basis are Texas and Texans, Hawaii and Hawaiians the United States and Americans?
      1. NatiKoshka_87 Offline NatiKoshka_87
        NatiKoshka_87 (Ela) 16 December 2021 17: 08
        -1
        Quote: Marzhetsky
        I still can't understand one thing. On what basis are the same Abkhazia and Ossetia, for example, considered Russia? These are the former Georgian lands and the people living there correspond to them, and these are not Russians or Slavs in the overwhelming majority, and if we speak in the abstract, they are Caucasians. Is it possible to consider Caucasian formations in any form, as well as the Caucasians themselves as part of Russia - Russia and Russians? I do not think.

        And on what basis are Texas and Texans, Hawaii and Hawaiians the United States and Americans?

        On the fact that the Americans are a little different. To be considered an American, you do not need to be a Native American or live up to their ethnicity and nationality. Therefore, anyone living in the United States and having US citizenship, from anywhere in the world, is considered an American. In the case of Russia, not the Soviet Union, everything is different and the same policy as the United States is not pursuing. It is on this basis. For the Russians themselves, or Russians, do not agree to call a Caucasian Russian, or any other person ethnically and nationally alien, even the same African American or Negro. Will a Russian person call such a person Russian if he lives on the territory of the Russian Federation? I highly doubt it. The United States is another matter.
        1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
          Marzhecki (Sergei) 17 December 2021 16: 32
          +1
          And this is due to the substitution of the concepts of Russian and Russian. Caucasians are not Russians, but Russians
          1. NatiKoshka_87 Offline NatiKoshka_87
            NatiKoshka_87 (Ela) 17 December 2021 16: 52
            0
            Quote: Marzhetsky
            And this is due to the substitution of the concepts of Russian and Russian. Caucasians are not Russians, but Russians

            And then who are the Russians? Slavs, russians, russians?

            On the other hand, it is wrong to call some Russians and others Russians within Russia. In the manner of the United States, it would be more correct. American / Russian.
    4. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
      steelmaker 16 December 2021 18: 28
      0
      Get rid of the politics and tactics of the land gatherer

      There are 150 nationalities in Russia. Hitler is not a relative to you? Isn't Margaret Thatcher a grandmother?
      1. NatiKoshka_87 Offline NatiKoshka_87
        NatiKoshka_87 (Ela) 16 December 2021 22: 46
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        Quote: steel maker
        Get rid of the politics and tactics of the land gatherer

        There are 150 nationalities in Russia. Hitler is not a relative to you? Isn't Margaret Thatcher a grandmother?

        Absolutely not. But if we get rid of this practice of the land collector, then the Russians will not be outraged that again everyone is fed and supported, etc., with all that it implies for their standard of living.
        1. tulip Offline tulip
          tulip 17 December 2021 08: 39
          0
          how do you want Russia not to collect its land back))) and the drain of all sorts of different theories, then you come up with it))) and in the end you will stay in your destroyed Galichina
          1. NatiKoshka_87 Offline NatiKoshka_87
            NatiKoshka_87 (Ela) 17 December 2021 16: 54
            0
            Quote: Mikhail Alekseev
            how do you want Russia not to collect its land back))) and the drain of all sorts of different theories, then you come up with it))) and in the end you will stay in your destroyed Galichina

            I have nothing to do with it. The Russians themselves do not want this so as not to feed anyone. And in order not to feed, it is necessary to collect empty land, without a population.
            1. tulip Offline tulip
              tulip 17 December 2021 16: 55
              0
              all the Russians told you they don't want to?))) Why are you so stupid? Why do you have a habit of speaking for everyone?)))
  22. viktortarianik Offline viktortarianik
    viktortarianik (Victor) 21 December 2021 14: 37
    0
    Why not let all these liberals go to "free bread" so that they do not feed from the country's budget.