Berlin and Washington agree on the conditions for the closure of Nord Stream 2

December 8 2021

The United States and Germany have reached an agreement on the closure of Nord Stream 2 in the event of Russian aggression against Ukraine. In this case, the German side announced the suspension of the gas pipeline. However, as Deutsche Welle writes, it is not yet clear whether the Americans and Germans have agreed on the very concept of "aggression."

According to one of the European diplomats, after the Russian "invasion" of Ukraine, Washington will impose sanctions against SP-2. No country wants to deal with a Russian gas pipeline for fear of falling under US sanctions.

A similar position is adhered to in the European Parliament. For example, the head of the European People's Party faction, Manfred Weber, spoke in favor of stopping the start of Nord Stream 2 and curtailing this gas project if Russian units cross the border with Ukraine.

Meanwhile, the talks between Putin and Biden on December 7 did not shed light on the settlement of the situation in eastern Ukraine. The parties to the dialogue continue to accuse each other of aggravating the conflict and building up forces to resolve it by military means.

Earlier on the need to "force" Russia to comply with the "Normandy format" acted former US Ambassador to Moscow Michael McFaul. In his opinion, in the event of "Russian aggression", Russia will need to impose "cascade sanctions", which should be in effect until the problem in Donbas is resolved.

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Offline Bakht

Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 8 December 2021 16: 40

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The point is that, judging by the actions of the Russian leadership, there will be no "aggression".
Ukraine is a suitcase without a handle, which Europe cannot carry, and Russia does not want. In the event of a riot in Ukraine, its statehood can only be supported by Donbass with the assistance of Russia. Conscripts and "North Wind".
All conversations about some kind of mythical exchange cause only laughter. How can an entire country be exchanged for a $ 10 billion gas pipeline? Moreover, when Ukraine passes under the protector of Moscow, Russia will receive a gas transportation system with a throughput capacity of 100 billion cubic meters (versus 55 for SP-2).
Output. You just have to wait for the winter cold.
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  sH, arK 8 December 2021 19: 21
  
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  Yes, someone really wants aggression, because without it it will soon become very bad;)) Loss of transit, high, in fact, just normal, gas price, a ban on the transit of any goods "through", "from" and "to" dUrkainu, they will quickly put her with cancer;))
  
  The only way out is war !! But don't wait! You will have to die slowly and sadly! ;)))
Offline gorenina91

gorenina91 (Irina) 8 December 2021 17: 02

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Berlin and Washington agree on the conditions for the closure of Nord Stream 2

- Well, well - now "everything fell into place" ...
- The United States openly stated that ... what ... what - "if something" - then Ukraine is admitted to NATO ... - Both chambers of Congress (USA) have already agreed on a version of the draft, which contains a provision on the allocation of $ 4 billion for the program "European Containment Initiative", which is directed against Russia. - Well, and for Biden, in fact - all this remains only to sign ...
- After which all this virtual "containment" can already "materialize" into the concrete admission of Ukraine to NATO ...
- Personally, I already wrote in a recent thread

Media: US is considering a ban on the use of the dollar in Russia

- that :

- Yes, it seems that my predictions (to my great regret) are beginning to come true ...
- It seems that China has surrendered Russia; and now the United States is pretending that it is also trying to surrender Russia (in turn, for its part, they are fulfilling, or pretending to have begun to fulfill their "promises" by the tacit "separate US-China conspiracy") ...
- And tonight sleepy Biden will try to run into our guarantor, offering him - "new conditions" ...

- Well and - just like that - the United States and China have driven Russia into a very, very "bad situation" ...
- Now Russia will be forced to drive gas beyond measure through the territory of Ukraine (this is "beyond measure" - it will be at the lowest price)
- SP-2 becomes a joke - until better times - until everything is concrete and clearly settles in relations between the United States and Germany ... - And judging by the fact that the Social Democrat O. Scholz has replaced Merkel - we should expect a continuation " a policy of obedience "from Germany, all instructions from the United States (this is" to put it mildly ") ...
- Yes, Ukraine won - won, having a rather weak position ...
- And Russia - as always - was put in this very difficult position - its universal Russian devotion and desire to please China in everything ...
- Some ridiculous visit of Indians to Russia literally on the eve of the "Putin-Biden" dialogue ... - All this does not even draw on a parody of a "cunning plan" - everything is so mediocre and ridiculous (and even the subsequent plane crash in India) ...
- All this is "not very encouraging" - Russia's immediate prospects are not very encouraging ...
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  sH, arK 8 December 2021 19: 16
  
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  Amazing hohlobred!
  Drive gas through dUrkainu? Now, for several months now, there is less than 40 billion m3 - Gazprom supplies at the lower tolerance of contracts, and receives the maximum revenue and profit in the entire history! Moreover, due to the terms of contract pricing, the price increase is delayed by 3-6-9 months; as a result, the price will only grow, even if Gazprom increases supplies! But I don’t think it’s profitable in the long term, it’s better to leave the minimum supply, maintaining spot prices, emptying storage facilities in the EU (it’s just to fill them in the summer at maximum prices, if anything).
  Russia is clearly in no hurry to agree to special conditions with China - there is simply no reason! Russia can and will put pressure on DUrkainu, raising gas prices, and from 2025 completely stopping transit, and forcing them to buy gas in the EU via real transit, which will further raise / support the price on the exchange! Russia itself trades on the stock exchange only through Wingaz and Wintershal DEA, which are 100% and 49% owned by it, respectively.
  
  SP-2 has already filled itself up to 100%, allowing to reduce transit and raise the market price, and the market now in the EU has finally just caught up in fact with the world, just before the EU had a price much lower!
  After the Power of Siberia-2, when from Yamal gas going to the EU can be simply transferred to Korea, North Korea, China and Japan, with the construction of a huge Amur plant of 1000 dollars. for 1000m3 will be at least the average price;))
  
  So talk nonsense further, Ukrainians;))) And yet, in the event of force majeure, the rest of the transits will be 100% blocked, what "through", what "from", what "to" dUrkainu, you will be left without diesel, gasoline, coal , including coking, metallurgy will rise;)) And also Russia, without a war, at the slightest problem with the LPNR, will simply declare a useless zone and a blockade by sea - who and what can prevent ?! Swim very quickly ...
Offline zenion

zenion (zinovy) 8 December 2021 17: 42

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So after all, such an agreement already existed between the United States and Germany when Herr Hitler ruled it. Then I had to bet on those who would win. Again Germany will be framed. When Goering remembered what Hitler had told him, the Jews set us up again. He was dragged away from the microphone and kicked out of the meeting room. With such a crowd of people, it is impossible to tell the truth. They tortured him for a week so that they would not say anything like that, they would leave him alive. When death was read. He told the guard - again, the Jews were driving us. Whatever he blurted out on the gallows, he took cyanide, as if his wife had brought it. Hess also hanged himself with an electric cord when they agreed to let him go.
Offline NikolayN

NikolayN (Nikolai) 8 December 2021 17: 46

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Ukraine is told that it is time to resolve the Donbass issue. At the same time, Russia is warned that if it intervenes in the issue of the decision, they will impose sanctions. Well, that is before NG, Ukraine will start a war in Donbass.
It is obvious. Putin said: no, kids, this will not work. Biden held consultations with Europe and tomorrow will say the final decision to Seele.
Those. there will be war or not.
Offline Ulysses

Ulysses (Alexey) 8 December 2021 17: 46

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The United States and Germany have reached an agreement on the closure of Nord Stream 2 in the event of Russian aggression against Ukraine.

No country wants to deal with a Russian gas pipeline for fear of falling under US sanctions.

That's really our army ..

Real production is already in Asia.
There is an untapped sales market.

By the way, recent events with LNG have shown that Europe is not interested in overseas gas suppliers for less than 1000 USD.

At this rate, the European Commissioners will bring old Europe to war communism.
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Kuramori Reika (Kuramori Reika) 8 December 2021 19: 52

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These Europeans are still living with the mind of the 20th century, when they had a large selection of suppliers, and the share of gas in energy consumption was comparable to other sources of energy. Well, they will close the valve, well, the pipe will stand idle for 3 years, by this time all economic competitors in Europe will simply die. Is it really that bad? Gazprom will certainly lose a lot, but the rest of the industries will be in a strong plus.
Offline gorskova.ir

gorskova.ir (Irina Gorskova) 8 December 2021 20: 44

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Gossfall! Why pull the rubber? Yes, you have to close this SP2. And you will be happy. From Grandfather Frost (real, not "Santa" who fell in love .... his own kind). From specul.yants at prices .... Stopping production .... But Uncle Sam will shower you with green pieces of paper ..... With which you can warm flower pots ....
Offline Mantrid Machina

Mantrid Machina (Mantrid Machina) 8 December 2021 21: 57

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Well, let them close the pipe, all the same, it has already paid for itself, even moreover, by closing the pipe Hayropa shoots himself in the knee and there will still be no gas supplies through Banderland. What then? The forest in the Black Forest will have to be cut down
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Petrucho (Peter) 8 December 2021 22: 10

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I believe that such sanctions should work both ways. Germany needs to be confronted with a fact, as soon as Ukraine attacks the Donbass republics, all gas to Europe is cut off. I am sure that after such an ultimatum, Seele will have to think hard about who to listen to more, his overseas friends or European homies.
Offline shinobi

shinobi (Yuri) 9 December 2021 06: 42

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Shooo! Again!? This disc has already been hit so hard that it’s not even funny already. The West is ruled by money. If, or rather when, SP-2 is launched, no one will stop it. A war with the Ukraine of the Russian Federation is not planned and never planned. There is simply no need. After the end of gas contracts in 24, we will no longer need it from the word at all. All the fuss comes from behind NATO bases, we read the USA, in / in Ukraine. That is why the strike groups stood on the border of the skakuas. That is why the Crafty Old Man is so harsh. took up integration. If in / in Ukraine stand up, and they stand there, US missile bases, such a crisis will break out that the Caribbean will seem like a child's prank. Putin not in vain says that in the event of NATO military aggression against Russia, a blow will be struck immediately at the United States. The Perimeter system was revived for a reason, everything that is in the mines beyond the Urals and in Siberia will definitely fly where it is needed. The Baltic States, Ukraine, Poland, Hungary, Romania, wherever there are missile bases, will turn into a radioactive desert. Otherwise, it will not, because the Pentagon understands perfectly well that it will not work to defeat Russia in a war with conventional weapons.
Offline bratchanin3

bratchanin3 (Gennady) 9 December 2021 12: 57

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Nazalezhna is a hostile Nazi state that constantly shells the territory of the LPNR. At the same time, Washington and Berlin are negotiating the possibility of shutting down SP-2. Why is it impossible to bring to Berlin that in the event of an attack by the Nizalezhnaya on the LPNR, Russia will stop gas transit (denunciation of the transit agreement), in any case, the SP-2 will work or not. Well, the Germans should know what awaits them from the closest partners from the nezalezhnoy. In this case, you just need to speed up the technical feasibility of gas transit via Power of Siberia-2.
Offline Yuri Bryanskiy

Yuri Bryanskiy (Yuri Bryansky) 13 December 2021 16: 13

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The main thing is that they have built it. Now, don't give a damn about the pipe, the main thing is to reunite the Russian borderlands. And they freeze, they themselves will ask.