On the "dark side" of Russian liberalism


One of the main mysteries for the Western world is why liberal ideas do not take root in Russia at all. Domestic liberals that in policythat in life, they do not understand why they cause such rejection among the majority of their compatriots. This can be clearly seen in the discussions on the Internet, where each of the parties demonstrates the complete irreconcilability of positions. This topic is very complex and controversial, therefore we do not pretend to be the ultimate truth. However, we will abandon our "five cents".


Let's start, as usual, with the generally accepted definition:

Liberalism (from the Latin liberalis - free) is a philosophical and socio-political trend that proclaims the inviolability of human rights and personal freedoms.

“Freedom is better than lack of freedom,” Dmitry Medvedev said. The whales on which modern liberalism stands are:

1) Guarantees for ensuring natural human rights and freedoms, including the right to life, liberty and security of person,

2) Equality of all citizens before the law,

3) Free market economy,

4) "Transparency", regular turnover and responsibility of the authorities,

5), etc.

It would seem, what can be generally bad in liberalism? Liberalism is after all the striving of the individual for true freedom of the spirit from oppression imposed by the state, traditions or religion. Who would voluntarily refuse such a thing, especially when compared with a “bloody scoop”, right?

Or is it wrong? Is it possible that behind these fine-minded ideas there is an unsightly underside, about which the more "fumbled" liberals prefer to delicately keep quiet?

For example, regarding the free market. On the one hand, “freedom is better than lack of freedom,” we remember. If you want, open your own small business, get up early, work hard and become a billionaire on the Forbes list, who's stopping you. On the other hand, it is somehow ignored that there are already other players on the market who will simply “devour” you when they deem it necessary.

Let's talk, say, about aircraft construction. The world market is dominated by a duopoly of monstrous multinational corporations. It would seem that there is something wrong with that: just take and create a competitive aircraft and offer a good price for it, and then Boeing and Airbus will move on their own, will not go anywhere. Or they will not move, and instead, through the structures under their control, the WTO will adopt new environmental standards that will make it impossible to operate the aircraft engines already available to competitors. At the same time, according to other WTO rules, manufacturers (Russian) will be prohibited from providing state aid: themselves, all by ourselves, we have a free market. And even if by some miracle a good competitive aircraft with modern engines is created, it will be pecked with sanctions, like our MS-21, and as a result, it will be banned under various pretexts from entering the American and European markets. Themselves "Boeing" and "Airbus" will continue to sit on hidden government subsidies. They can, others cannot. The market decides.

The same can be extrapolated to any other industry. Economic liberalism, to call a spade a spade, is good only for the "metropolises" where transnational corporations are based. In the "colonies" liberalism always means the consolidation of their economically subordinate status. The bottom line is that the domestic liberals in power, implementing such ideas, are direct accomplices of large Western capital.

Let's say a few words about the individual's right to freedom and self-expression. “Freedom is better than non-freedom,” right?

True, but only if it is not overused. For example, having arrived in a foreign country, do not forbid local residents to celebrate their Christian holidays, and do not force women to wear a burqa. Do not engage in open propaganda of same-sex relationships and same-sex marriages by organizing vulgar gay pride parades. Do not substitute the asexual terms "parent-1" and "parent-2" for the father and mother in family relations. Do not call women "menstruating", etc.

But, perhaps, even more dangerous are the liberal ideas of the so-called "political freedom", which are being imposed on us by our domestic ultra-liberals. Recently, this "gang" undertook to discuss what kind of federation we need, and whether we need it at all. For clarity, I would like to cite a few quotes from the portal "Foundation of Liberal Missions".

Daniil Kotsyubinsky, Senior Lecturer at the Faculty of Liberal Arts and Sciences, St. Petersburg University:

The theme of the conference is "What kind of federation do we need?" Therefore, I will immediately start with an answer to this question: no ...
In my opinion, there is even nothing to argue about: political freedom comes, and the empire turns on the countdown. And therefore, taking into account this inevitability, the federation does not seem to be the most effective way of soft, conflict-free disintegration. It would be more useful, perhaps, to transform into a confederation for the duration of this disaggregated period and to organize from top to bottom on the principle of a parliamentary republic. I believe that such a political reform would be useful for the Russian regions. From my point of view, a confederal-parliamentary political model could provide the most natural, conflict-free and peaceful process of disintegration of the imperial entity, which Russia still is.

Oleg Savvin, civil activist, researcher of the history and nature of East Prussia, Kaliningrad:

In my speech, I will focus on the specifics of my particular region, the so-called Kaliningrad region. Why "so-called"? Because toponymy contains the cheapest propaganda. For example, if I tell foreigners about our city, I use the name Königsberg, because “Kaliningrad” is incomprehensible to them, they think that this is some kind of provincial Russian town. And when you begin to explain to them who our city is named after, they are almost shocked ... And our neighbors are Poles and Lithuanians. It would be great if our regional authorities, which we ourselves would elect, could build relations with Poland and Lithuania, determine the vector of development of relations with them on their own. This would give a tremendous impetus to the development of the region. But in today's neo-imperial Russia, this is something obviously impossible.

Vadim Shtepa, editor-in-chief of INACHE magazine, Petrozavodsk:

We called for a return to the provisions of the forgotten Federal Treaty of 1992, or even better - to prepare the conclusion of a new treaty, which would fully reflect regional interests. In our opinion, all subjects of the federation should become equal republics, and the future format of their unification will be determined by their freely elected (with the participation of regional parties) parliaments. Only such a federation will have stability and legitimacy.



After that, Mr. Shtepa completely opened up and said that the Russian Federation would be optimally divided into 60 regions, which would cooperate with each other, like the former parts of the British Empire.

And what? "Liberal". Presumably, in these 60 newly independent states, local oligarchs will have all power, who will rule the parliaments through their "pocket" political parties. Moreover, all these regional "bosses" will answer to their senior colleagues from the West, but how else (see "free market")?

The main Russian "political emigrant" Mikhail Khodorkovsky echoes them:

I am very afraid that if Putin reigns as much as he wants, he will lead us to a situation where the preservation of the existing geographical borders will become questionable, because it is obvious that conflicts in the North Caucasus are accumulating, it is obvious that conflicts in Tatarstan are accumulating , it is obvious that conflicts in Yakutia and Bashkiria are accumulating. If all this explodes at one moment, then it will be very difficult to imagine how all this can be kept.

It is not enough for us to disintegrate the USSR into the CIS and conflicts with Georgia and Ukraine, so now the Russian Federation must be finished off under a plausible pretext, right, gentlemen, liberals? Thanks but no. And you are still wondering why the Soviet people hate you?
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  1. Miffer Offline Miffer
    Miffer (Sam Miffers) 9 December 2021 09: 03
    -3
    Not. We don't need liberalism: we have a king (like a liberal), our a country, which for the last 500 years has been constantly catching up with someone, and the Orthodox faith, although some m. argue that it is the reason for our eternal lag behind the developed, advanced and liberal.
    As far as I remember national history, in the 19th century, liberals were called those who strove for social transformations within the framework of existing laws and social order... But we don't need these pernicious ideas anyway. On December 23, the tsar will give another press conference, for which his administration personally selects journalists, so that the bastards do not interfere with the tsar's reading prepared answers from a piece of paper. This is what we are fed up with.

    The whales on which modern liberalism stands are:
    4) "Transparency", regular turnover and responsibility of the authorities,
    5), etc.

    Shtaaa ?! Regular turnover and responsibility? - But we do not need such "liberalism".
    Etc.
    Etc.
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 9 December 2021 09: 26
      -1
      As far as I remember Russian history, in the 19th century those who strove for social transformations within the framework of existing laws and social order were called liberals. But we don't need these pernicious ideas anyway. On December 23, the tsar will give another press conference, for which his administration personally selects journalists, so that the bastards do not interfere with the tsar's reading prepared answers from a piece of paper. This is what we are fed up with.
      The whales on which modern liberalism stands are:
      4) "Transparency", regular turnover and responsibility of the authorities,
      5), etc.
      Shtaaa ?! Regular turnover and responsibility? - But we do not need such "liberalism".

      Again demagoguery and substitution of concepts. You yourself write that it was in the 19th century, but in the courtyard of the 21st. For their era, both liberalism and capitalism were advanced phenomena, but they have outlived their usefulness.
      It's fun to be a liberal somewhere in the USA or France, a kind of bourgeois-free-thinker who sips coffee and croissants in the morning. In Russia, a country that lost the Cold War and is a semi-colony of raw materials, systemic liberals are accomplices of TNCs and large Western capital, as well as carriers of extremely harmful and dangerous ideas on the actual disintegration of the Russian Federation. IMHO.

      Not. We do not need liberalism: we have a tsar (like a liberal), our country, which has been constantly catching up with someone for the last 500 years, and the Orthodox faith, although some people argue that it is the reason for our eternal lag behind the developed, advanced and liberal ...

      Again, these are your fairy tales. Those who claim this receive grants from the Liberal Missions Foundation and similar structures.
      1. Vladislav N. Offline Vladislav N.
        Vladislav N. (Vlad) 9 December 2021 10: 07
        -1
        Quote: Miffer
        Not. We don't need liberalism: we have a king (like a liberal)

        Quote: Marzhetsky
        Those who claim this receive grants from the Liberal Missions Foundation and similar structures.

        And the boys don't even know! (C)
        Fragments of Putin's speeches, where he confesses his loyalty to liberal ideas.

        1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
          Marzhecki (Sergei) 9 December 2021 10: 09
          -1
          I know. It is curious that non-systemic domestic liberals do not recognize Putin as a real liberal.
          1. Vladislav N. Offline Vladislav N.
            Vladislav N. (Vlad) 9 December 2021 10: 15
            -2
            Quote: Marzhetsky
            I know. It is curious that non-systemic domestic liberals do not recognize Putin as a real liberal.

            This is an intraspecific struggle, and a parade is a performance for people who have corn fluid instead of the brain.
            1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
              Marzhecki (Sergei) 9 December 2021 10: 18
              -1
              I understand that.
              1. Vladislav N. Offline Vladislav N.
                Vladislav N. (Vlad) 9 December 2021 10: 19
                -2
                Do you (in your own words) sit on grants?
                I guess not.
                Do you take your words about grants back? Be consistent.
                1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
                  Marzhecki (Sergei) 9 December 2021 11: 27
                  -1
                  What kind of grants am I on? Why do you think so?
                  Have you decided that I am a liberal or what? I adhere to diametrically opposed leftist views and sit on the payroll of the "Reporter" publication.
                  PS
                  and I always try to be consistent.
                  1. Vladislav N. Offline Vladislav N.
                    Vladislav N. (Vlad) 9 December 2021 11: 36
                    -1
                    Quote: Marzhetsky
                    Again, these are your fairy tales. Those who claim this receive grants from the Liberal Missions Foundation and similar structures.

                    Your words if anything.
                    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
                      Marzhecki (Sergei) 9 December 2021 11: 37
                      -2
                      You either do not understand the meaning of what is written or are playing the fool.
                      Just read carefully what is written there, and do not attribute to me what I did not write.
    2. Vladislav N. Offline Vladislav N.
      Vladislav N. (Vlad) 9 December 2021 09: 33
      0
      Quote: Miffer
      so as not to interfere, bastards, the king read prepared answers on a piece of paper

      And about. tsar and on a piece of paper, the "answer" is out of the logical connection with the "question" from the actor who has learned the "question".
      At one time over Brezhnev L.I. laughed ... and it’s just what an embarrassment.
  2. Mihail55 Offline Mihail55
    Mihail55 (Michael) 9 December 2021 09: 05
    0
    But everything is real. For 30 years they have ruined the economy ... now they have tackled the federation. OW ... where is our "vertical" ??? Kovid to help her ... 2 years gave an assessment of our whole "new" life! Was that what we wanted at the end of 80 ... CHANGE ???
  3. Bulanov Online Bulanov
    Bulanov (Vladimir) 9 December 2021 09: 22
    0
    And who prevents Russia from filling its air market with its planes? Even the corn plant hasn’t released a new one yet? And who is stopping the construction of 3-4 new machine-tool factories in Russia, after which the country's GDP will increase by at least 1%?
    1. Vladislav N. Offline Vladislav N.
      Vladislav N. (Vlad) 9 December 2021 09: 40
      +4
      Quote: Bulanov
      And who prevents Russia from filling its air market with its planes?

      Not "who", but "what" - a vassal agreement with SyShyA.

      Quote: Bulanov
      And who is stopping the construction of 3-4 new machine-tool factories in Russia?

      The answer is above. in addition, education and the system of training workers and engineers were killed. In a simple way: if you assemble a team of those who are - merchandisers, brokers, dealers, divers, diggers and developers and strengthen it (the team) with franchisers, drochers and coaches, they will not be able to build anything ... and they do not need it.
    2. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 9 December 2021 09: 46
      -3
      We have a very narrow domestic market.
      1. Vladislav N. Offline Vladislav N.
        Vladislav N. (Vlad) 9 December 2021 10: 11
        +2
        Quote: Marzhetsky
        We have a very narrow domestic market.

        This is not the point, the market is an internal matter that can be remedied (if the persons endowed with power have the desire), the point is that there are many obligations to "Western partners ™" that directly run counter to Russia's interests and the number of these obligations is growing like a snowball.
        1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
          gunnerminer (gunner miner) 9 December 2021 10: 52
          -5
          This is precisely the direction that runs counter to Russia's interests, especially in terms of Russian military development.
      2. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
        gunnerminer (gunner miner) 9 December 2021 10: 51
        -4
        The CPC Central Committee corrected a much narrow Chinese domestic market: Park Jong Hee, Mohammad Tahrir, Chiang Kai Shi, Lee Kuan Y. Poles, Croats, Slovenes, lacking even a hundredth share of natural resources.
        1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
          Marzhecki (Sergei) 9 December 2021 11: 28
          0
          Well, our population is simply incomparable with the Chinese.
          1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
            gunnerminer (gunner miner) 9 December 2021 11: 51
            -4
            In the republics of the former Yugoslavia, in Estonia, in the Republic of Korea, in Taiwan, the population is not large. Canada, for example, with a territory comparable in size to Russia, with a small population.
            1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
              Marzhecki (Sergei) 9 December 2021 11: 54
              -1
              A self-sufficient economy requires at least 400-500 million wealthy consumers. The countries you listed are not.
              1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                gunnerminer (gunner miner) 9 December 2021 11: 58
                -4
                400-500 million for territories comparable to China, the United States, Russia, Canada. Since 1991, a huge Russian territory for the Russian government, only a burden. As well as 140 million population. Japan, with about the same population, is quite well-to-do on small islands. .Strong contrast with the beggar Primorye.
                1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
                  Marzhecki (Sergei) 9 December 2021 11: 59
                  -1
                  You go a little to the side.
                  It is possible to restore a large internal market through reintegration in the post-Soviet space, using various methods.
                  1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                    gunnerminer (gunner miner) 9 December 2021 12: 02
                    -5
                    Reintegration is possible with the purposeful work of the center, with the minimum permissible level of corruption and theft, with the modernization of production, the constant growth of machine-tool building, mechanical engineering, electronics, and the comprehensive work of government agencies.
                    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
                      Marzhecki (Sergei) 9 December 2021 12: 04
                      0
                      Who can argue with that?
                      1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                        gunnerminer (gunner miner) 9 December 2021 12: 05
                        -4
                        Nobody argues, but neither does he strive to bring it to life.
                      2. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
                        Marzhecki (Sergei) 9 December 2021 12: 08
                        0
                        Naturally. After all, systemic liberals are in power in Russia. Why would they fight with themselves?
  • Mihail55 Offline Mihail55
    Mihail55 (Michael) 9 December 2021 11: 38
    +2
    Quote: Marzhetsky
    We have a very narrow domestic market.

    Good day, Sergey! Great article !!! But regarding the market ... not in its narrowness, but in its filling capacity! If we continue to fill in NOT OUR, it will be ALREADY ALREADY !!! We buy everything over the hill, the need for our own machine operators, assemblers, engineers, etc. disappears. Another order shines for our plant ... the bosses are in a panic ... we buy imported machines, and who will work on them ??? Even the technologists were transferred ...
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 9 December 2021 11: 56
      +1
      Thanks for your kind words. smile
      The problem of the market is in its narrowness, in its filling capacity, and in its controllability. Everything is interconnected.
  • Jacques sekavar Offline Jacques sekavar
    Jacques sekavar (Jacques Sekavar) 9 December 2021 11: 42
    +3
    Liberalism is one of the forms of social consciousness that reflects the conditions of material life and therefore has a class character.
    It is possible to improve the conditions of material life only through an increase in capital, therefore morality itself has become an object of purchase and sale, a new niche for capital investment.
    Not all, but many liberal ideas are aimed at freeing people from the shackles of morality and ethics, which contradicts religious beliefs and accepted norms of behavior, not to mention the legislative side of the issue.
    Absolute freedom does not exist anywhere and never, because it is limited by state, human, production and other relations, the laws of nature.
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 9 December 2021 11: 58
      +1
      Not everything in liberalism is bad, I, for example, also support the change of government and civil rights.
      However, in Russian realities, liberalism, its "dark side", is the religion of the accomplices of the enemies of our country. This is the paradox.
      However, not everyone understands this. There are all sorts of openly empty-headed young fools video bloggers who sincerely teach their peers to hate the "damned scoop", opposing it with "wonderful" liberal ideas, not realizing how cannibalistic they can be. Such is aggressive ignorance.
  • Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 9 December 2021 12: 55
    -1
    Bullshit is all that.
    There is a dark side, there is a light side, and there is "School"

    And without a "school", i.e. the rules of the game for everyone, a large number of familiar small and medium players, with a history, it is difficult to achieve anything.
    Even in a democracy, even in a monarchy, even in nuclear physics or boxing.
    The USSR has created a "school" in the latter, so it still exists, despite .... (and the Saudis do not, despite ....)
    But the "school" of the "democratic monarchy", with irreplaceable new nobles, the President only creates ...
  • RFR Offline RFR
    RFR (RFR) 9 December 2021 23: 13
    0
    A bunch of poorly educated idiots - this is the softest opinion about our liberalism ... In general, their place is near the bucket ...
  • Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
    Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 10 December 2021 14: 56
    +1
    Liberalism does not exist in nature. Generally. It was invented by people as a term and a related concept.
    Like any concept, it is just a tool in the hands of a person. You can remove a fatal tumor with a knife, or you can kill a person. You can cut yourself too.
    When I hear about liberalism, the question always arises: whose hands took this instrument, and for what purpose?
  • Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
    Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 11 December 2021 05: 51
    +1
    I will explain my thought.
    Perhaps somewhere in America, under certain conditions, liberalism, as a tool, is used with benefit in the economy.
    In Russia, in the hands of the young reformers of Yeltsin's team, guided by consultants from the States, liberalism as a tool led to the destruction of a great country, which was the real purpose of its application.
    Hundreds of thousands of people died of hunger, were tortured by bandits, drank themselves and became drug addicts. A whole generation was brought up to be inadequate and unsuitable, for the most part, for a creative life.
    As for “cutting yourself,” after all, not all adherents of liberalism in the 90s and 2000s were hired saboteurs. Simple fools were enough.
    If someone's hands in Russia now, after all that has happened, are trying to take this instrument again - for me personally, this is a clear signal:
    “Before me is an enemy, an accomplice of the enemy, or a person dangerous by his inadequacy.”
    Is not it?
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 14 December 2021 11: 16
      0
      Yes, liberalism in a country that won the Cold War is one story, liberalism in a country that lost it is quite another.
  • Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
    Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 11 December 2021 07: 20
    +1
    I will add
    The truly “dark side” of Russian liberalism lies in the reasons why the authorities stubbornly cling to it.
    The point is that decision-making in Russia today is concentrated in the hands of a very small number of people. Departure from liberalism now means the need to introduce management and control in many areas of the life of a huge country.
    This is another reason why Russia, for its survival and development, cannot avoid creating a popular mass ruling party.
  • Yuri Palaznik Offline Yuri Palaznik
    Yuri Palaznik (Yuri Palaznik) 12 December 2021 17: 05
    -1
    No republics !!! Slice into areas! The spring has ceased to compress. There is a gathering of Russian lands. Ah Odessa is a pearl by the sea. How did the Russian city of Odessa end up in Ukraine?
  • Mihail55 Offline Mihail55
    Mihail55 (Michael) 13 December 2021 11: 38
    0
    Quote: Alexey Davydov
    This is another reason why Russia, for its survival and development, cannot avoid creating a popular mass ruling party.

    To put it simply, we need to go over to state capitalism. Restore profile ministries and research institutes. But all this state has thrown off itself, like an unnecessary husk ...
    1. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
      Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 13 December 2021 22: 34
      -1
      To put it simply, we need to go over to state capitalism. Restore profile ministries and research institutes.

      Yes exactly. The entire infrastructure that provides a reasonable life for the country and people.

      But all this state has thrown off itself, like an unnecessary husk.

      I have already written about the "hands" that did this, and recently Putin himself (the time has come) admitted that under Yeltsin, CIA workers were in power in our state and received our salaries. They also warmed their hands during our privatization, for which they received a thrashing from their own.
      Can you imagine what a powerful network of agents and agents of influence they have created in those almost 10 years? This also involved training programs for our people abroad, all kinds of funds, etc.
      It is really stupid to look for a creative component in most of the decisions of that government.
    2. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
      Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 14 December 2021 10: 45
      0
      Restore profile ministries and research institutes. But all this state has thrown off itself, like an unnecessary husk ...

      Why do you think that "restore" necessarily means "restore".
      You cannot enter that river a second time. The water in the river is already different. However, the tasks are the same.
      We will have to create something new, adequate, in the required volume to provide ALL the functions required to govern the country.
      But everything should result in a powerful state apparatus. How else?
    3. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 14 December 2021 11: 15
      0
      Isn't it state capitalism here? All industries are under state corporations.
      The solution is the restoration of socialism with the finding of enterprises in public ownership.
      1. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
        Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 14 December 2021 15: 31
        0
        Isn't it state capitalism here? All industries under state corporations

        No Sergey.
        A state corporation, in my understanding, is only a potential opportunity for the state to use its influence for management and regulation.
        State capitalism is a SYSTEM that is actually regulated and managed across the country.
        Feel the difference?
        There is no most important thing - an effective and massive tool for public administration of the country, which will be used to make decisions and be implemented.
        In our case, it should be a mass people's ruling party, like the CPSU, and no multi-party system.
        One person, whoever he is (even Putin), is not able to replace all this for the country.
        Before state capitalism, we are still like the Big Dipper.
        Only going with the flow (not managing anything seriously), running into pitfalls and shallows on the way, our current state can still, with half a sin, cope with affairs.
        There is no question of real governance of the country, movement towards the intended goal and bypassing obstacles on the way to it.
        This brings us to your second thesis:

        The solution is the restoration of socialism with the finding of enterprises in public ownership

        The country is not yet ready to build socialism. Socialism is about governance, fair distribution, and nationwide accounting.
        The Soviet system of government and regulation of the country was completely destroyed.
        Instead, emptiness.
        Now it is possible to create only a parody of socialism of the type - "military socialism".
        To recruit a team to build socialism now, too, will not work.
        In addition, on the way to it, it will be necessary to destroy the perfectly working economic instrument of market private initiative, which has nothing to replace so far.
        We must first rise to the previous step - full-fledged state capitalism. It is also necessary to work on its social orientation.
        However, the ruling party, in order not to be short-sighted, must have the entire system of goals at its disposal. In my opinion, it is like this:
        state capitalism, state capitalism of a social orientation, socialism, building a communist society
      2. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
        Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 14 December 2021 22: 01
        0
        There is no need for us to rush to socialism, as to some kind of "promised land."
        Each of our steps on this path must and will bring us and the country as a whole real victories and achievements. It is a long, hard and interesting job to rebuild the country again and move it further.
        We will surmount the border of socialism imperceptibly when the time comes.
        However, for this we need to win right now in the struggle for our existence.
        1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
          Marzhecki (Sergei) 15 December 2021 15: 46
          0
          We will surmount the border of socialism imperceptibly when the time comes.
          However, for this we need to win right now in the struggle for our existence.

          I am afraid it is not. Socialism is unacceptable to the ruling elites. It is possible to come to it only through revolutionary changes, alas.
          But Russia is not yet pregnant with a revolution.
          1. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
            Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 15 December 2021 17: 42
            -1
            Remember Dr. Mortimer in The Hound of the Baskervilles? Times change and we change with them. The ruling elites will evolve along with the development of the country and unnoticed for themselves. Otherwise, they will cease to rule.
            Revolution is a recovery from hardened stagnation. Hopefully Russia will have a blowjob and this bowl.
            The matter is small - you need to continuously develop and grow
      3. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
        Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 15 December 2021 10: 02
        0
        However, for this we need to win right now in the struggle for our existence.

        And beyond the boundaries of your possible future