Finland will rearm on the F-35

December 6 2021 54

The Finnish army will receive the American F-35 fighters. The decision made in Helsinki is reported by the local newspaper Iltalehti. Earlier, Finland announced a tender to replace the technically and morally obsolete F / A-18C / D Hornet fighters.

As the media clarifies, the choice of the Ministry of Defense is based on the quality characteristics of the American combat aircraft, as well as on the US assurances about technical the support of the F-35 until the 2060s.

The HX program, within the framework of which a tender for the supply of modern fighters was held, implies the purchase of 64 units of new combat aircraft in the period from 2025 to 2030 for a total cost of up to $ 10 billion. The competition was also attended by the American F / A-18E / F Super Hornet, the European Eurofighter Typhoon Tranche 4, the French Dassault Rafale F4 and the Swedish Saab JAS-39E / F Gripen NG.

Earlier, the decision to purchase F-35 fighters was announced by the Swiss authorities. Bern noted that the American combat aircraft offers the highest performance at a "low price", forgetting, however, that the F-35 still faces a number of technical problems usually inherent in prototypes.

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gunnerminer

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6 December 2021 11: 27

The Finnish government marked the end of neutrality. The command of the Western Military District and DKBF tensed. Not a single Su-57 is in their composition.
1. greenchelman
  
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  6 December 2021 12: 35
  
  o_0 why does the Twice Red Banner Baltic Fleet Su-57?
  1. gunnerminer
    
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    6 December 2021 12: 42
    
    Then, for what and the Su-30SM.
    1. greenchelman
      
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      6 December 2021 12: 56
      
      Duc, when the Air Force of the Russian Aerospace Forces will be saturated and there will be hundreds of updated Su-57s at the airfields, then it is possible. While there is no point in this, the conveyor is not rubber. We still have one Su-57 in our troops and another 4-5 are about to appear. And after a couple of years, they still have to install a new dviglo. So the fleet will definitely carry out the five-year plan without the Su-57.
      1. gunnerminer
        
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        6 December 2021 13: 43
        
        Duc, when the Air Force of the Russian Aerospace Forces will be saturated and there will be hundreds of updated Su-57s at the airfields, then you can
        
        And when will this joyful moment come? 80 years later? The first serial (with an old engine) Su-57 laid down its planes under Dzemga in December 2019. Before the serial readiness of the product, 30 as on a donkey to the Moon. But only a five-year period, but also a 20 tap hole.
        
        greenchelman
        
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        6 December 2021 13: 55
        
        Well, I would not be so categorical. I think a five-year plan will be enough to establish a large-scale assembly process for the updated Su-57.
        
        gunnerminer
        
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        6 December 2021 15: 25
        
        KNAAZ, the manufacturer of the first serial Su-57 (without product 30), is interrupted from bread to water. It pays the workers a penny. With their staff shortage, with poor equipment of workshops, a five-year plan is not enough. Compare the McDonel-Douglas and KNAAZ workshops. In 2015, the workers tried declare a strike because of low wages and harsh production conditions. The problem with personnel at the Komsomolsk Aviation Station did not arise yesterday. The inability to work with young specialists, the unwillingness to take responsibility for the training and education of personnel, to deal with issues of low wages has already been sharply criticized by Governor Vyacheslav Shport at the last expanded meeting of the regional government. However, the management of the plant, it seems, did not make the right conclusions, which led to a conflict between the workers and the management of the plant.
        
        tagil
        
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        7 December 2021 13: 45
        
        As soon as you stand at the machine, we will have the Su-57x at least heaps of heaps. To work is not to roll bags with your tongue.
        
        gunnerminer
        
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        7 December 2021 13: 53
        
        Only Tanya and Naina Iosifovna are familiar with the doctrine of "Boris Nikolayevich's drunkenness."
        
        Many have been assigned to the machine tools, but the series of ready-made Su-57s is not visible, even in CIA reports.
        
        tagil
        
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        7 December 2021 13: 56
        
        I understand that the daily CIA reports are put on your table right after Biden. And I am not familiar with doctrines, as it did not work out.
        
        gunnerminer
        
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        7 December 2021 14: 04
        
        And I am not familiar with doctrines, as it did not work out
        
        There is almost the same - "Perestroika can only be discussed by Raisa Maksimovna."
        Both doctrines are known to the Soviet and Russian residents; the inhabitants of the American, Canadian, Australian outback are little informed about them.
        
        tagil
        
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        7 December 2021 14: 09
        
        What are you? The discussion of doctrines by Soviet (Russian) citizens was probably and exclusively in the kitchens of the Khrushchevs. I am somehow far from such kitchen intrigues. And from the intelligence reports of the CIA, I mean guessing.
        
        gunnerminer
        
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        7 December 2021 14: 18
        
        The most informed news agency after the BBC.
zzdimk

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6 December 2021 11: 56

They already licked the boot, so they licked it. Well done Finns.
1. gunnerminer
  
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  6 December 2021 12: 32
  
  A small country. There is no other way out. Russia is unable to offer the Finns anything worthwhile economically and politically. Moreover, they ended neutrality 30 years after the collapse of the USSR. They waited and hoped for Russian economic success.
2. greenchelman
  
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  6 December 2021 12: 45
  They didn't lick, they've always been part of the West. In 2015 and 2021, they bought American missiles for MLRS. And for this, NATO countries buy Finnish armored vehicles from Patria. What kind of "friendly" Finland can be said for Russia if they removed the swastika from their planes only in the summer of 2020.
  1. zzdimk
    
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    6 December 2021 15: 49
    
    Swastika? The solstice in Germany has been perverted. A common rune symbol. Was.
    1. greenchelman
      
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      6 December 2021 16: 20
      
      Yes, yes, I agree, they just really love the sun.
  2. gunnerminer
    
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    7 December 2021 11: 11
    
    Swastikas on their planes since 1918.
Siegfried

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6 December 2021 12: 15

the number of F-35s, especially in the United States and England, is a serious challenge to the Russian Aerospace Forces. In a possible air confrontation, for example, within the framework of the "no-fly zone" in the Donbass, the Aerospace Forces may collide with the F-35. Most likely, the backbone of the Russian forces will be the Su-35. It is difficult to imagine what such a confrontation will be. Even if the Su-35 sees the F-35, the ability of the Russian explosive missiles to see the target will be an order of magnitude lower than that of the American ones.
Perhaps it is real or perceived air superiority that pushes the United States into a conflict with Russia. The war in the air is the biggest concern about Russia's capabilities.
1. gunnerminer
  
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  6 December 2021 12: 40
  
  It's not about the presence, or some kind of superiority of the F-35. Fighter aviation is a service.
  The backbone of the Russian Air Force is Strategic, Long-Range Aviation, Military Transport Aviation in decline. Modern air combat is complex. There will be no horse-to-horse fights, squadron to squadron. Whoever has better intelligence and combat control is the first to see and win. The fight for the first salvo As taught by the NGSH Marshal Ogarkov. NATO Air Force has large quantities of modern AWACS and U systems, with radar stations with AFAR. The Russian Air Force does not have such systems. Rushlo A-50U does not count. Tu-160M and Tu-22M3 combat-ready can be counted on one hand.
greenchelman

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6 December 2021 12: 32

By the way, as of December 1, 2021, Lockheed Martin produced more than 730 units of different versions of the F-35.
1. gunnerminer
  
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  6 December 2021 12: 44
  
  Moreover, they were provided with a trained reserve of flight-lifting and technical personnel, reconnaissance, electronic warfare aircraft, AWACS and U complexes, many airfields and tankers.
  1. EVYN WIXH
    
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    6 December 2021 13: 37
    
    Well, what are they mighty! Why, with such our power and such our worthlessness (in your opinion), we have not yet been erased into powder? Just do not "sculpt a hunchback" that, they say, they do not need it. These do not like to wait, they take what they want when they know that they will "get a ride". What's in the way?
    1. gunnerminer
      
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      6 December 2021 13: 47
      
      What prevents?
      
      Humanism and the desire to solve the Russian question as in 1991. The Russian government is not being bought at a high price. The sales process is in progress.
      1. EVYN WIXH
        
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        6 December 2021 14: 53
        
        I asked a direct question not so that you would practice wit (so-so it turns out) and carried nonsense. Humanism of the United States and Allies? Learn the history or change the training manual. Leave these "pearls" to the current schoolchildren.
        
        gunnerminer
        
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        6 December 2021 15: 35
        
        Humanism of the United States and Allies?
        
        Help to the population of the USSR during the Second World War with food, medicine, weapons. They did not rush to pay. By 1973. After 1991, humanitarian aid was sent by air. Many children, disabled people were adopted from Russia. They helped in the work on the inspection of the K-141 submarine after the disaster. A year later, so they also helped rescuers and equipment when AS Prize, in Kamchatka, got entangled in nets. When the Wagners tried to squeeze the oil fields of Daer Zor, the US command spent as much as 3 hours of precious operational time asking the Khmeimim command if there were Russian troops there. They stopped striking at the first request of the Khmeimim people, and allowed them to collect and evacuate the remains.
        
        EVYN WIXH
        
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        7 December 2021 11: 08
        
        You turned the wrong way. No one denied helping the United States as allies. Just a short excursion into history. Where is the native population of America? How many are left? And you know how they fought with him: shooting, grass like animals, infecting with diseases, deliberately soldering. "Humanism" of the highest standard. And there was also Dresden, Tokyo, atomic bombings. Military value is questionable (not my opinion). And there were also Vietnam and Yugoslavia. There are many examples. What you write is baby talk. Learn history, young man.
        
        gunnerminer
        
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        7 December 2021 11: 52
        
        The United States extended a helping hand to the new democratic Russia. The founder of Russian democracy and the Russian state, Boris Nikolayevich Yeltsin, after the signing of the treaty in Viskuli, called the first President Bush Sr. Refrigerated transports with chicken legs rushed in, high-quality drinking alcohol Royal was brought from Germany. How many lives did he save from America accepted thousands of children, especially sick ones. NATO humanitarian aid went to the Russian young army as well.
        
        Native American populations are carefully placed on reservations.
        police from the Indians. To protect them from vices. Read an educational program on this topic. They are called with love native americans. But the Russian titular nation is disappearing at cosmic speed.
        
        If the mustachioed father had an atomic bomb, he would have used it on German cities without delay. The bombing of Dresden and its environs saved the Soviet advancing units from German flank surprises. And now the United States is Vietnam's main trading partner. In Yugoslavia, they bombed and destroyed military targets and food industry enterprises. It is clear why.
        
        EVYN WIXH
        
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        8 December 2021 16: 08
        
        Only an enthusiastic curtsey to EBN is not enough to understand that you, young man, are either too fond of the "creativity" of the Rezuns and Solzhenitsyn, or you are working out your fee carefully (though stupidly). "Pearls" about salvation with alcohol and chicken legs are the most harmless stupidity. The Indians in America were exterminated like cattle, and the remains of them were placed on stinking reservations, taking away or buying the best lands for nothing. About if only, if only ... If only my grandmother had ... I see, I think. I repeat once again - learn history. Residential areas were bombed in Dresden (you “drown” the owner for the humanist). Not accumulations of equipment, not transport hubs, not military facilities and supply routes. Vietnam. In your opinion, what is happening now justifies the burning of napalm and the persecution of people with chemicals (this is again about humanism)? You lick your master so diligently that even without hesitation you carry an outright lie. Perhaps Dr. Goebbels could borrow something from you.
        
        gunnerminer
        
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        8 December 2021 16: 15
        
        Our population is exterminated by indirect methods, 2 million a year. Read Rostat.
        
        Residential areas were bombed in Dresden (you “drown” the owner for the humanist).
        
        If it were not these bombings by the SA that would trash the fighters on a much larger scale. Now, it is not Rezun and Solzhenitsyn who are putting experts on the population of Russia. They are both praised for 10 years, then scolded for 10 years.
        
        EVYN WIXH
        
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        9 December 2021 09: 05
        
        I followed your advice and looked at the demographic data. Sadly. But again you are lying. The numbers vary from source to source. 2019 - 316,2 thousand, 2020 - 688,7 thousand This is excluding natural migration. Taking into account - less. Do you have a new training manual for demographics?
        
        gunnerminer
        
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        9 December 2021 11: 44
        
        The numbers vary from source to source. 2019 - 316,2 thousand, 2020 - 688,7 thousand This is excluding natural migration. With uet - less. You probably have a new training manual for demography?
        
        But the bottom line is the same: the population is shrinking as after tactical nuclear strikes. Especially the titular nation of Russia. The Russian population is reduced not by a manual, but by affordable counterfeit alcohol in ocean quantities, available drugs, progressive HIV and AIDS, unaffordable mortgages, low salaries, falling income levels. Su-57, Posedons with Vanguards cannot fix the matter.
Face

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6 December 2021 17: 03

So one more tobacco remains without the Air Force, but it pays tribute to the owner. And this is good.
1. Binder
  
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  6 December 2021 17: 44
  
  Quite good - little neutral Finland has 64 new combat vehicles by 2030. But for some reason, the General Staff of the Russian Federation is not very happy ...
  1. Face
    
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    6 December 2021 18: 33
    
    Have you already been informed from the General Staff of the Russian Federation?
    1. gunnerminer
      
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      7 December 2021 13: 55
      
      Read the press releases of the Russian Ministry of Defense; they don't jump out of joy there.
      1. Face
        
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        7 December 2021 14: 50
        
        Naturally. Only the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine jumps with joy. As well as all confusion.
        
        gunnerminer
        
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        7 December 2021 16: 44
        
        Even in the Finnish Air Force Ukrainians were found.
Michael1950

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6 December 2021 19: 29

Quote: gunnerminer
The Finnish government marked the end of neutrality. The command of the Western Military District and DKBF tensed. Not a single Su-57 is in their composition.

- The most terrible military and state secret of Russia is that the Su-57 is absolutely not needed by its air force, according to the criterion efficiency / cost it is significantly inferior to the Su-35.
The Su-57 is not nearly stealth, its EPR is comparable to that of Raphael and Eurofighter (without suspensions). Its production technology is still very expensive, the video shows how elderly women in rubber gloves lay out layers of carbon fiber reinforced plastic with epoxy into molds - by hand! Expensive, slow, toxic ...
And most importantly, its real combat effectiveness is that of a 4+ generation fighter. In addition, he has problems with the radar with AFAR ("stone flower does not come out"), his other avionics require foreign components - and then the sanctions have piled up and do not fall, they are trying to bring the "second stage" engine to mind which year ... Continuous "hemorrhoids" "and there is no end in sight ...
1. gunnerminer
  
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  7 December 2021 10: 54
  
  On the problems of the Su-57 I agree. Even if they were solved, it is not mass-produced. It is not provided with AWACS and U complexes, without modern reconnaissance, without a network of airfields. The supply of components has been blocked by NATO law enforcement agencies.
Michael1950

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6 December 2021 19: 33

Quote: Lick
So one more tobacco remains without the Air Force, but it pays tribute to the owner. And this is good.

- You think so that "F-35 is a bad plane"
1. gunnerminer
  
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  7 December 2021 10: 56
  
  The composition of the avionics, performance characteristics of the F-35 is not hidden, it is used in a combat situation. On the Su-57 everything is a secret, because there is nothing to show.
2. Face
  
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  7 December 2021 14: 52
  
  Well, yes. 700 critical errors is an indicator of "goodness". And tell me who counted these errors, or can you guess?
Michael1950

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6 December 2021 19: 43

Quote: EVYN WIXH
Well, what are they mighty! Why, with such our power and such our worthlessness (in your opinion), we have not yet been erased into powder? Just do not "sculpt a hunchback" that, they say, they do not need it. These do not like to wait, they take what they want when they know that they will "get a ride". What's in the way?

- Why the hell is NATO and the United States to seize the territory of Russia ?? What to do with it then? WHAT TO DO WITH ITS POPULATION ?? ITS FACT TO FEED AND WILL HAVE TO BE FOOD.
Whether it is China - there the word "humanism" is not in the lexicon at all - they are happy to register the Russian territory of any area, and they will act with the population as they did with the people of Kampuchea (it was a completely Chinese "project", there were then 30 thousand Chinese "instructors" at Pol Pot). The indigenous population was destroyed by blows to the skull with hoes, so as not to waste ammunition.
The Soviet Union ended this genocide by giving the command to Vietnam to knock out half of the Potovites (along with 30 thousand Chinese "instructors"). The Vietnamese army drove them out and stopped the genocide.
Offended China in 1979 struck Vietnam from the north.
The USSR stopped the Chinese aggression by threatening Beijing with a thermonuclear bombardment - the Chinese then obeyed and retreated, "tail between their legs."
Today the situation is different ...
1. isofat
  
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  6 December 2021 20: 40
  
  Michael1950, you, too, drove the indigenous population from their lands, on which they fed. Has anyone counted how many people died as a result of your "return"?
  1. Michael1950
    
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    7 December 2021 06: 48
    
    - Arabs constantly and endlessly position themselves as a "united Arab nation". They also have a single Arab organization - the Arab League - the League of Arab States. Arabs captured (by the will of Allah, of course) and control 14 million square kilometers! This territory 700 (seven hundred !!) times exceeds the territory of Israel. All the current "borders" of the Arab states were drawn by the willful decision of the European colonialists and nothing else.
    1. gunnerminer
      
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      7 December 2021 14: 01
      
      The richest Arab country, Saudi Arabia, is famous for its tough attitude towards Arab refugees. If you go on a ship from Jordanian Aqaba, then without binoculars you can see minefields, multi-tiered wire fences, towers with remote machine guns along the border. And a huge sura from the Koran made of neon tubes. Especially at sunset.
    2. isofat
      
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      7 December 2021 15: 29
      
      Michael1950! Several millennia ago, twelve nomadic tribes drove out the people living on their land and settled on these lands themselves. This is how Israel came into being. Then they profiled their country, could not save it.
      
      It is very likely that History repeats itself, again they drive people from their land.
      You, Mr. Zionist, pick up your drool, and do not shake the maps of foreign territories for you, you can choke in saliva, from greed.
      
      Let me remind you that you do not differ much from the Arabs, if only in religion, as well as one origin - a group of Semitic peoples.
      
      You are neither better nor worse. You are from the same bush.
2. S WITH
  
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  7 December 2021 13: 19
  
  you tell these tales to the Indians, to those who survived, but only 1% of them survived
S WITH

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7 December 2021 13: 18

the Finns have grown fat in the Ross market, it's time to throw them out, let them sell their junk in the USA
1. gunnerminer
  
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  7 December 2021 13: 57
  
  They threw it out a long time ago, but Russian shuttle traders from the Leningrad Region, Murmansk Region, and Karelia do not agree. Even the sanctioned vehicle is brought in from Estonia (milk is better than Finnish, and costs 20% cheaper).
  1. isofat
    
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    7 December 2021 20: 20
    
    gunnerminerWhere did you see the shuttles today? At one time, the shortage of goods and the state of the economy gave rise to the shuttle movement. Today there are no prerequisites for this business.
    
    I have not seen shuttle traders for a long time, unless they are shuffling somewhere on the outskirts. Perhaps the romantics of this business still remain, but they do not make the weather.
    1. gunnerminer
      
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      7 December 2021 21: 35
      
      Even the Kovid did not stop the shuttle. Not in the Kaliningrad region to Poland. Not in the regions listed above. They do the weather. See how many shops with Finnish and Estonian goods in the Northern capital, in the Leningrad region, in Karelia, in Murmansk.