Should Russia let European investors into the Kuriles


One of the most resonant topics of recent days was the announcement that a Danish investment company intends to lease one of the Kuril Islands from Russia for the production and export of hydrogen to Japan. When the words "Kuriles", "Japan" and "Denmark", which is a NATO member, converged in one sentence, many Russians immediately suspected that this was some kind of another "cunning plan" by Tokyo to creep back the "northern territories". So it is or not, let's figure it out.


First of all, it is necessary to point out that Shumshu Island is not included in the so-called "northern territories", which for some reason Japan claims. The Land of the Rising Sun dreams of returning the islands of Shikotan, Iturup, Kunashir and the group of Habomai islands. Shumshu belongs to the Northern Kuril Islands, the territorial affiliation of which is not disputed by anyone. It is not the subject of any negotiations or dubious schemes. Therefore, let's talk about the possibilities of its economic use without any unnecessary emotions.

Shumshu is a relatively small island, 30 kilometers long and 20 kilometers wide. It is separated from Kamchatka by the First Kuril Strait and from Paramushir Island by the Second Kuril Strait. Its important feature is that it is the only non-volcanic island in the ridge. Today Shumshu is not inhabited, the villages are abandoned, there is only a frontier post. Since the end of World War II, the island has not been put in order: its surface has been dug up by former Japanese fortifications, covered with fragments of aircraft, tanks, shell craters, unexploded bombs and shells. In general, in its own way, even picturesque, but a reliable master's hand is not felt.

What do the Danes offer? Kopenhagen Infrastructure Partners, an investment firm specializing in alternative energy sources, is proposing to invest from 2 to 2,5 billion dollars in the production of hydrogen with the aim of its subsequent export to neighboring Japan. Under this case, the Danes are ready to lease a part of the island's territory, where the wind is the best, for placing wind generators there. Also, the authorities of the Sakhalin region declare the possibility of creating a museum on Shumshu, dedicated, apparently, to the history of the Second World War, since the "material layer" has it. What's the catch?

And is he even, in this case, this catch? Let us recall the recent statement by President Vladimir Putin, who proposed creating the most comfortable conditions for attracting business, including foreign, to the Kuril Islands:

We will create just such an essentially unprecedented set of benefits and incentives in the Kuril Islands, for example, where we will completely exempt businesses from paying key taxes on profits, property, land and transport taxes, and for ten years.

Sounds pretty tempting, so is it any wonder that Denmark has shown interest in a renewable energy project in the Russian Kuril Islands? Tax breaks, windswept island, next to a huge promising Japanese market. And not only Japanese, since hydrogen can be exported from Shumshu to any country in Southeast Asia, the only question is what kind of hydrogen it will be, and how exactly Kopenhagen Infrastructure Partners intends to transport it to potential buyers. This is not clear.

The Governor of the Sakhalin Region, Viktor Limarenko, speaks of the region's interest in investing in the so-called “blue” hydrogen:

We are ready to go to "blue" hydrogen, which is produced by the conversion method from methane and electrolysis using wind power and water.

However, apparently, the Danes are guided not by "blue", but by "green" hydrogen, which will be produced directly on site from sea water by electrolysis using wind energy. According to the governor, Kopenhagen Infrastructure Partners expect to produce 1,5 GW of green energy and 120 thousand tons of hydrogen from wind turbines. Probably just "green". Otherwise the economy the project can hardly be called effective.

If "blue" hydrogen is going to be produced in Shumshu, then the first thing to do is to somehow deliver the raw material to the island in the form of natural gas. It is either a pipeline or tankers. It is impractical to build a gas pipeline with the announced volumes, the LNG terminal remains. The business is also not cheap, since the imported gas will first have to be liquefied, converted into blue hydrogen, then liquefied again, and sent to the buyer. In this case, it will be necessary to capture and store carbon dioxide somewhere. A whole story with a lot of added value. It is much more rational to obtain "green" hydrogen, the most environmentally friendly, by means of electrolysis by means of "wind" kilowatts, to liquefy and export to the countries of Southeast Asia by sea.

That is, it turns out to be a completely working scheme that will bring substantial income to investors. Is it profitable for Russia? Will it not turn out that Shumshu Island will be populated by workers from Japan?

The question is not entirely straightforward. On the one hand, it is not worth counting on budget revenues for the first 10 years due to the unique tax regime. On the other hand, Russia can set a condition for such investment projects in the format of a joint venture, where the shares will be distributed 50% to 50%, which means the final profit from export. In addition, the construction and subsequent maintenance of the wind farms and the LNG terminal will require constant maintenance. Shumshu Island will have to be repopulated, and we, as the host country, have the right to put one more condition: that these workers should be from among local Russians, and not Japanese guest workers.

In this format, cooperation with foreign investors in the Kuril Islands and the Far East, in general, really makes sense. At the same time, we will finally restore order on the island.
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  1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
    gunnerminer (gunner miner) 5 December 2021 12: 34
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    Russia can set a condition for such investment projects in the format of a joint venture, where the shares will be distributed 50% to 50%, which means the final profit from export. In addition, the construction and subsequent maintenance of the wind farms and the LNG terminal will require constant maintenance. O

    Foreign investors will not accept such prospects. Wind farms require huge funds for periodic replacement of blades, risers. Delivering them to the islands is costly. In addition, a military conflict looms.

    Shumshu Island will have to be repopulated, and we, as the host country, have the right to put one more condition: that these workers should be from among local Russians, and not Japanese guest workers.

    Only by promising high salaries or colossal benefits, and the management does not agree to this.

    A whole story with a lot of added value. It is much more rational to obtain "green" hydrogen, the most environmentally friendly, by means of electrolysis by means of "wind" kilowatts, to liquefy and export to the countries of Southeast Asia by sea.

    Methane, and even then, have not yet learned to liquefy to a fully ref state. Part of the methane cargo from the tanks on the LNG carrier is used to operate the main engine. The chief mate is forced to discuss this process with the 2nd mechanic every morning. And about the liquefaction of hydrogen, followed by transportation. by sea, on a gas carrier, and there is no question.

    And not only Japanese, since hydrogen can be exported from Shumshu to any country in Southeast Asia, to

    Dividing the pants of an unkilled bear. There are no gas carriers for transporting hydrogen. There is no such re-liquefaction plant.
    1. S WITH Offline S WITH
      S WITH (N S) 5 December 2021 15: 01
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      LNG carriers are being built at Ross shipyards, about a dozen South Korean ones are already in operation, plus hydrogen can be pumped through pipes to Japan, Korea, and the EU
      1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
        gunnerminer (gunner miner) 5 December 2021 16: 14
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        You are exaggerating. Russia is trying to build LPG gas carriers.
        gases and chemical gases. LNG carriers are not built in Russia.
        Russian enterprises cannot afford re-liquefaction. Gas carriers under construction do not bring profit. After tests and gas trials, their crews will have to be presented with oil majores. As well as CDI. If they accept, they will be able to charter. And if not .... which are not, hydrogen will not be driven.
    2. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 5 December 2021 15: 17
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      It seems to me that these are the hemorrhoids of a Danish investor, not ours. If Russia gets technology and equipment this way, then why not.
      1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
        gunnerminer (gunner miner) 5 December 2021 16: 15
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        Our hemorrhoids lack our own funds.
  2. beeper Offline beeper
    beeper 5 December 2021 13: 01
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    Should Russia let European investors enter the Kuril Islands ?!

    Definitely NOT WORTH TO START! No.
    Moreover, directly on their cordons and with such "strategic strains" around the "Kuril issue"!
    It is necessary for ourselves (without the help of foreign "well-wishers" from the arch-aggressive anti-Russian NATO bloc!) To manage the economy of these islands and the defense on the Far Eastern borders!
    With such a clearly unfriendly, revanchist-militaristic position of the Japanese authorities and their Washington masters (who are not stopping the occupation of Japan), I consider even the announced "construction of a hyper-bridge" to this island country premature!
    Yes, and "visiting Japanese graves (located directly in the border zone !!!)" supposedly by "Japanese relatives" will not lead to anything good!
    But the compliant softness of the GDP and its "teams" in foreign policy (including those that caused indignation of the Russian patriotic public, Putin's, for the Japanese, "unprecedented ideas on the Kuril Islands" ... then somehow "bashfully" crumpled, despite the oath at the grave of the father of "the Japanese prime minister, during the preliminary preparation of the Russian visit, apparently" very, very hopeful "by these" unprecedented ideas "... and already, it seems, the Constitution of the Russian Federation was" irrevocably changed ", and those optimistic for the Japanese authorities," Kurilian ideas "are they still alive in the Russian leadership ?!) has long been known to everyone, so, most likely, in the end it will be" in Chernomyrdin style "(or is it" in Kravchuk style " what , and only Chernomyrdinskoe "it never happened and here it is again ")-

    they wanted the best, but it turned out, as always ...

    request
    1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 5 December 2021 13: 15
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      Without foreign investors, the development of the economy does not work. Forums for investors have become much more frequent. The oligarchs do not have leisure to invest. They will not get quick income. The situation, either pan, or disappeared. The Soviet inhabitants could not be frightened with tight belts. They remembered 1941, believed in enduring. And now the townsfolk watched how the Finns, Poles, Czechs and Slovaks live, and stood against tight belts. For petrodollars, only SSBNs, bombers, Vanguards, Yars M can be built.
      1. S WITH Offline S WITH
        S WITH (N S) 5 December 2021 14: 58
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        The Russian Federation does not need foreign investors, the state, represented by state corporations and scientific centers, is building high-tech production facilities - Rosatom, Rostec, Gazprom, Rostelecom, Russian Railways, VTB, RAS, etc. plus some oligarchs invest not only in yachts
        1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
          gunnerminer (gunner miner) 5 December 2021 16: 18
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          The treasury for all state corporations is not enough. That is why all sorts of foreign economic forums for foreign investors have been scrambled. Taiwan, Malaysia, Singapore, South Korea and others began by attracting foreign investors. The oligarchs invest pennies, and even then with an eye on the governments of the countries of which they are citizens, and their family members are.
    2. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 5 December 2021 15: 12
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      These are not exactly those Kuril Islands smile
      1. beeper Offline beeper
        beeper 5 December 2021 15: 27
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        Quote: Marzhetsky
        It not quite those Kuril Islands smile

        hi Sergey, so I think that the Japanese with your "ranking of the Kuriles" Absolutely not agree ... if they get wild and rush to "win back the Northern Territories", then they will encroach not only on ALL Kuril Islands, but also on Sakhalin ?! winked
        1. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
          Marzhecki (Sergei) 6 December 2021 06: 58
          +1
          The socio-economic development of the Far East and the Kuriles, in particular, is one of the real measures to prevent annexation. What really provokes Tokyo is our weakness in the region, its sparse population, underdeveloped infrastructure. The more people live and work there, the larger the international business projects, the more difficult it will be. That does not exclude the need to strengthen the defense capability, of course.
          If the Danes, or even more so the Japanese, set their sights on "mastering" Iturup, for example, I would be the first to write against. Matua is a slightly different matter.
          1. beeper Offline beeper
            beeper 6 December 2021 08: 10
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            hi Sergey, Thank you for your answer!
            I remain with my opinion, possibly erroneous. winked
            1. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
              Marzhecki (Sergei) 6 December 2021 16: 42
              +1
              I slightly confused Matua and Shumshu.
              Yes, I do not insist, I just laid out a formula according to which such cooperation would be acceptable. I will not decide.
  3. Don't let them in - then they won't kick them out!
    1. S WITH Offline S WITH
      S WITH (N S) 5 December 2021 14: 51
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      we are not Balts, we can drive the Danes even from their territory)
      1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
        gunnerminer (gunner miner) 5 December 2021 20: 33
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        We can drive anyone away. We have not been able to create an economy like the Danish for 30 years.
    2. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 5 December 2021 15: 26
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      Then why Putin personally invites them, explain
      1. Putin can't keep track of everything!
        1. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
          Marzhecki (Sergei) 6 December 2021 06: 58
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          This is not the answer to my question.
  4. S WITH Offline S WITH
    S WITH (N S) 5 December 2021 14: 51
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    the more foreigners invest in the Russian Federation, the more the Russian government can confiscate the Russian assets of the West in case of aggravation of relations, let the Danes build on their grandmothers (foreign banks), and then they can print Russian rubles and buy them out cheaply)), and they will be forced to Russia rubles exchange for Russian goods) and dump
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    2. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 5 December 2021 15: 19
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      Russia does not lose anything from such a project, but it can gain if it is done on its own terms.
      1. S WITH Offline S WITH
        S WITH (N S) 5 December 2021 15: 22
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        Ross assets of the West are eggs that can be pulled off at any time
        1. zenion Offline zenion
          zenion (zinovy) 5 December 2021 15: 49
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          If at the same time the hand slips, it will be such a blow to its own people that children will be imported from China or India. More trained in China.
      2. zenion Offline zenion
        zenion (zinovy) 5 December 2021 15: 53
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        On our own terms, we made an agreement with a foreign red-haired guy. Now, in order to close the hole, you need to rip off someone's skin somewhere. This ruler managed to achieve an agreement with his people by completely deceiving him. Constantly holes appear in the gallery, which have to be closed with bodies pushing the galley.
    3. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 5 December 2021 20: 34
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      Foreigners are directly competing over who invests more in Russia. laughing
  5. zenion Offline zenion
    zenion (zinovy) 5 December 2021 15: 42
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    Why does Russia need these Kuriles. They gave Alaska, take the Kuril Islands and choke on them, nothing is a pity. Maybe those who want to work will find for themselves what they need and unnecessary for Russia there gas, oil, gold and diamonds. Take everything, it's not a pity, for that, for those ... Oh, our life is a tin, well, its in the swamp!
  6. Scharnhorst Offline Scharnhorst
    Scharnhorst (Scharnhorst) 5 December 2021 19: 43
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    Informational stuffing about the Kuril Islands, as well as the uncontested idea of ​​"green energy" itself, was sucked out of Greta Tumberg's dirty fingers (a moronic dropout, by the way). The efficiency of wind turbines on the island. The noise will be only 2-5% higher than in any other place in the region with a much more developed infrastructure and transport accessibility. The Danes' investments are more than compensated for by NATO intelligence, having received a legal way to cover their activities in a region sensitive to our defense. And the second point: if you do not receive any profit to the treasury, then what is the point of renting?
    1. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 6 December 2021 07: 09
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      The Danes' investments are more than compensated for by NATO intelligence, having received a legal way to cover their activities in a region sensitive for our defense

      These are questions to the domestic regulatory and supervisory authorities.

      And the second point: if you do not receive any profit to the treasury, then what is the point of renting?

      This is a question for Vladimir Putin why he is introducing 10-year tax holidays for foreigners. In the article, I indicated the format of the joint venture that could bring income to the country.
  7. Jacques sekavar Offline Jacques sekavar
    Jacques sekavar (Jacques Sekavar) 5 December 2021 20: 20
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    The land of the rising sun claims the islands of Shikotan, Iturup, Kunashir and a group of Habomai islands, and Dreams of returning All (!!!) Kuril Islands and Sakhalin. Take a look at the history textbook.
    The master's hand is not felt in many regions of the Russian Federation, it is enough to look at the map of abandoned cities and videos on YouTube, and the further to the east, the more endangered cities are. Statistics show the continuing outflow of the population, which indicates the ineffectiveness of the measures taken by the government.
    If Kopenhagen Infrastructure Partners lease the island, why would Renault, for example, lease the city of Togliatti, and other cities and entire regions to other foreign companies?
    Tax breaks for foreigners, and even self-employed people are taxed at home. What is it like ? In the PRC, they stimulate their (!) Entrepreneurs, not only with loans, but provide subsidies - start-up capital, exempt from VAT.
    1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 5 December 2021 20: 35
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      Quote: Jacques Sekavar
      The master's hand is not felt in many regions of the Russian Federation, it is enough to look at the map of abandoned cities and videos on YouTube, and the further to the east, the more endangered cities are.

      Right.

      In the PRC, they stimulate their (!) Entrepreneurs, not only with loans, but provide subsidies - start-up capital, exempt from VAT.

      Our prime ministers still cannot make up their minds regarding small business. What to do with it?
    2. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 6 December 2021 07: 01
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      If Kopenhagen Infrastructure Partners lease the island, why would Renault, for example, lease the city of Togliatti, and other cities and entire regions to other foreign companies?

      You are engaged in substitution of concepts. Not an island, but a part of the territory on the island. What exactly is the problem? Nobody is talking about renting regions.
      Russia is ready to lease 1 million hectares of agricultural land to Uzbekistan. So what? Why aren't you tearing your hair out?

      The master's hand is not felt in many regions of the Russian Federation, it is enough to look at the map of abandoned cities and videos on YouTube, and the further to the east, the more endangered cities are. Statistics show the continuing outflow of the population, which indicates the ineffectiveness of the measures taken by the government.

      People leave the Far East for lack of work and prospects. Such projects, on the contrary, are anchor for the development of the Kuril Islands, subject to the conditions specified in the article.

      The land of the rising sun claims the islands of Shikotan, Iturup, Kunashir and a group of Habomai islands, and Dreams of returning All (!!!) Kuril Islands and Sakhalin. Take a look at the history textbook.

      They also dream a lot in Russia, so what? There is no direct connection between the Danish investment project and Japanese dreams, it is far-fetched. Will the construction of Russian nuclear power plants in Turkey lead to the annexation of Turkish territories by Russia? Should you follow your logic?
      1. Bulanov Offline Bulanov
        Bulanov (Vladimir) 6 December 2021 09: 23
        +1
        Russia is ready to lease 1 million hectares of agricultural land to Uzbekistan. So what?

        Russian citizens are not ready! Perhaps officials who have relatives abroad are ready.
      2. Jacques sekavar Offline Jacques sekavar
        Jacques sekavar (Jacques Sekavar) 6 December 2021 10: 05
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        An island or part of it, fundamentally different - the territory is transferred into the ownership of foreign state education for a long period of time, for 99 years, and not just state education, but openly hostile state education.
        It would be interesting to see the reaction of this state formation to the proposal of the Russian Federation to lease part of Bornholm Island for the purpose of technical and technological maintenance of the northern streams or other commercial projects.

        The different level and conditions of life in Moscow and St. Petersburg against the background of other regions, between the European part and the Trans-Ural regions, is the root cause of the outflow of the population.

        Turkey, unlike the Russian Federation, does not trade its territory.
        1. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
          Marzhecki (Sergei) 6 December 2021 16: 44
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          An island or part of it, fundamentally different - the territory is transferred to the ownership of foreign state education for a long period of time, for 99 years, and not just state education, but openly hostile to state education

          what kind of foreign state education to edrene-fen? Private Danish investment company.
          1. Jacques sekavar Offline Jacques sekavar
            Jacques sekavar (Jacques Sekavar) 7 December 2021 12: 17
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            Denmark, on comparable terms, will lease a part of Bornholm Island to Gazprom, its subsidiary or a Russian private investment company?
            I think it's stupid to even stutter about this. But the Russian Federation is giving a part of its island to a private Danish company in the other hemisphere.
  8. Anchonsha Offline Anchonsha
    Anchonsha (Anchonsha) 5 December 2021 20: 56
    +2
    If Fr. Shumshu was not on the Kuril ridge, which is the border of the Russian Federation and is a very important place of exit to the Pacific Ocean, then one could agree with the lease of the island to NATO in fact. The security of the country is important to us. We do not need spies on the border itself, but they will definitely be there, NATO will not refuse such an opportunity.
    1. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 6 December 2021 07: 03
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      Tell me, then why did President Putin personally declare the Kuril Islands a tax-free zone for foreign business and attract capital there? This is the answer to his own initiative. Why does he do it then? And how would you use Matua's potential yourself?
  9. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
    steelmaker 5 December 2021 21: 11
    +2
    Should Russia let it go ...

    I'm against. His hucksters can shake up many problems in Russia can be solved. But under Putin, this is not real. They will be plundered anyway!
  10. otvinta Offline otvinta
    otvinta (Otvinta) 5 December 2021 22: 14
    +1
    Beautiful terms and names have stuck with us: economy, prime minister, ...
    The first who "laid mine" under what some call "economics" was Kosygin.
    On his initiative, ministries were created, including finance.
    We got a planned economy.
    How it ended - everyone knows.
    And most importantly, who was in charge of this "economy".
    At least one of them earned at least a ruble, having estimated their capabilities, having come up with a scheme-algorithm for generating income, organized the entire chain from "0", and did not receive a salary for coming to work?
    Why is it even worse for "them", but the "movement" continues.
    Because they have come a long evolutionary path, and we are two revolutions and two world wars.
    Because only business owners who participate in it know how to make money.
    The rest, having graduated from Harvard with an education comparable to our accounting vocational school, but plus the learned laws of "invented economics" by which they will be guided at work.
    Because this is not their business and they only perform some "technical work" in it, guided by the "laws of economics" imposed on them.
    Nobody wants to say especially that "economic" disciplines appeared in universities abroad, when businessmen no longer had enough of their two hands and 24 hours a day to do business and it became necessary to take somewhere at least somehow trained hired personnel for technical functions : reports, audits of data, businesses, products, etc.
    We are even worse.
    The economics faculties had two specializations: economist and accountant.
    Before "perestroika", many wanted to become economists - "white bone", and not into accountants - "black bone".
    "Perestroika" began, and apart from the thieves, all economists were left without work, and accountants were in short supply, which began to give them a good salary.
    The biggest blatant lie, once expressed on TV by a certain "specialist" and picked up by the rest of the same "experts," is that we have a tax on salary of 13%.
    In fact, this is not a tax on salary, but on your personal income in the form of salary, i.e. also on you.
    Take the place of the leader and count:
    In order not to bother with the purchase price, imagine that you (as a legal entity) received 100 rubles. for the sold software developed by your company.
    After accruals of PFR = 20%, FSS = 3%, VAT = 20%, Profit = 24% and another 13% on the money received "on hand", you can expect to receive "on hand" no more than 59000,00 rubles.
    Private firms develop programs with such a cost for three months.
    And how to live by paying taxes "sleep well"?
    But at the same time, on the market for your earnings, there are all sorts of state and semi-state offices that do not pay half of these taxes. They can do that.
    And what do our “specialists” call “economics” here, especially those with scientific degrees?
    1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 5 December 2021 22: 56
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      The biggest blatant lie, once expressed on TV by a certain "specialist" and picked up by the rest of the same "experts," is that we have a tax on salary of 13%.
      In fact, this is not a tax on salary, but on your personal income in the form of salary, i.e. also on you.

      Nice accurate comment.
  11. Potapov Offline Potapov
    Potapov (Valery) 6 December 2021 10: 18
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    I have a very bad attitude towards the ruling people ... I can't eat ... In the conditions of the war against the Russian Federation waged by all available means / but without the exchange of nuclear bombs / flirting with NATO members is very criminal ... Offer the island to another PRC, Vietnam ... ...
  12. 123 Offline 123
    123 (123) 6 December 2021 13: 54
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    I do not see any justification why this particular island was chosen, on Sakhalin, for example, the wind of the wrong system or smelly gas?
    But there is one argument against, in my opinion, essential.

    1. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 6 December 2021 18: 12
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      There, in general, the region is special from a military point of view. So why then does the president himself call foreign investors? And when they walk, turn up our nose? Is it not within the competence of the authorities to determine the conditions for the presence of foreign business on the Russian islands?
      1. 123 Offline 123
        123 (123) 6 December 2021 18: 43
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        There, in general, the region is special from a military point of view. So why then does the president himself call foreign investors? And when they walk, turn up our nose?

        Did he call them there? To this island?

        Is it not within the competence of the authorities to determine the conditions for the presence of foreign business on the Russian islands?

        Aha yes Nefig them to do there. on Sakhalin let the wind catch.
        1. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
          Marzhecki (Sergei) 7 December 2021 08: 19
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          Yes, I called
          https://www.rbc.ru/politics/03/09/2021/6131c2869a7947864600c06c
          To all Kuril Islands, including this one.
          1. 123 Offline 123
            123 (123) 7 December 2021 12: 26
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            Yes, I called

            See yes Thanks for the link. hi
            Hope they get another island away from the base.
            To solve such questions upstairs, but from my couch the situation looks like this. I would not have settled them there No. There are enough islands around, let them choose another, away from the base.
            1. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
              Marzhecki (Sergei) 7 December 2021 12: 31
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              I only offered a compromise option on my own: 50/50 joint venture, Russian workers and control over their activities. This is quite adequate.
              Of course, you cannot simply lease an island or a part of it.
              1. 123 Offline 123
                123 (123) 7 December 2021 12: 33
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                I only offered a compromise option on my own: 50/50 joint venture, Russian workers and control over their activities. This is quite adequate.
                Of course, you cannot simply lease an island or a part of it.

                As far as I understand, there is no talk of transferring the entire island anyway. In my opinion, there is nothing for them to do there at all.
                1. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
                  Marzhecki (Sergei) 7 December 2021 12: 36
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                  Already like the governor jumped off the slippery topic.
                  Although, if you do it wisely and on your own terms, I don't see any particular problem. The region needs projects and investments.
                  If our people, including people in civilian clothes, would work there, the Danes would not have placed any intelligence and other interesting equipment there. IMHO.
                  1. 123 Offline 123
                    123 (123) 7 December 2021 12: 59
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                    Already like the governor jumped off the slippery topic.

                    What happened? belay

                    Although, if you do it wisely and on your own terms, I don't see any particular problem. The region needs projects and investments.

                    Who is against? There are many islands, let them choose. Why exactly this one near the base? Doesn't the wind blow on others?

                    If our people, including people in civilian clothes, would work there, the Danes would not have placed any intelligence and other interesting equipment there. IMHO.

                    And if there are no Danes there, there will be no need to keep a staff of power engineers in civilian clothes on the island. Transportation assumes the presence of foreign ships in the area. Whoever knows their adversaries, there will be sensors scattered in the direction of travel.
                    1. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
                      Marzhecki (Sergei) 7 December 2021 13: 13
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                      What happened? belay

                      I saw something in the news in the morning that ours refused.

                      And if there are no Danes there, there will be no need to keep a staff of power engineers in civilian clothes on the island. Transportation assumes the presence of foreign ships in the area. Whoever knows their adversaries, there will be sensors scattered in the direction of travel.

                      In the JV format, these could also be Russian vessels.

                      Who is against? There are many islands, let them choose. Why exactly this one near the base? Doesn't the wind blow on others?

                      In general, I agree. On this particular island, the light did not converge like a wedge, if we talk purely about business.
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                        I saw something in the news in the morning that ours refused.

                        Apparently something is wrong here. We will wait for details.

                        In the JV format, these could also be Russian vessels.

                        Why complicate things? No Danes, no problem.

                        In general, I agree. On this particular island, the light did not converge like a wedge, if we talk purely about business.

                        Here I am about the same yes