"Putin demands the impossible": the Finns saw the "Russian threat" and wanted to join NATO

In Finland, they again thought about the "Russian threat". A new article, published by the Uusi Suomi portal, provides expert opinion on the signals that the Kremlin seems to be sending to the world.

In particular, Matti Pesu, Senior Research Fellow at the Institute for Foreign policy, assessed the recent demand of Russia, at the level of treaties, to secure the termination of NATO expansion.

Russia's dissatisfaction with the current architecture of European security is not new; it has been going on since the end of the Cold War. However, such unequivocal demands (written guarantees of NATO's non-expansion), backed up by military pressure, are already something new.

- notes the Finn.

The expert points out that on the one hand, Ukraine's chances for membership are small. There is no need to wait for the deployment of anti-missile defense systems in Ukraine in the foreseeable future. On the other hand, the researcher noted that "Putin is demanding the impossible." For the West is not going to give up, especially with regard to the key principles of its security system, and the Russian Federation will definitely not receive any guarantees enshrined in the treaty.

The expert believes that in light of the new situation, Finland will again have to consider the issue of NATO membership.

Henri Vanhanen, a foreign policy expert from the Coalition Party, also commented on the Russian demands.

Putin is demanding guarantees that NATO will no longer expand eastward. Now we are once again playing a tough geopolitical game, which also affects Finland's security. Under no circumstances should you agree to such requests.

- writes Vanhanen on his Twitter.

Some comments on the article:

It is necessary to reduce purchases of Russian energy resources and metals. Now the EU buys them for about 1 billion euros a day, and with this money, Putin is building his Russian dream according to Soviet patterns. Since the United States is the backbone of NATO, it would be fair to start buying shale gas and oil from them. When Russia's revenues fall, Putin will have to reflect on his behavior

- writes Kai Lahteenmaki 98687.

I have always wondered why Russia, which considers itself to be a peaceful and kind neighbor, is forcing all former allies or vassals to flee under the auspices of outside powers. Maybe Russia should look in the mirror and understand that the fault lies solely with its own actions.

- says Pete Virtanen.

“Someone” simply does not want to change, what just don’t do with him. It’s time for us to start preparing either for an attack from the Russians, or for the fact that Russia will become unstable and collapse. Some NATO presence in Finland would also be welcome. There are a whole bunch of Russian bases along our border.

- suggested Martti Nurmi.

Perhaps the next president will actively engage in contacts with NATO and decide to seek Finland's accession to this organization.

- hopes Risto Karvonen.

Finland was supposed to join NATO in the 90s along with the Baltic countries. This was not a problem then, and Yeltsin would have agreed. Now everything is much more complicated. It is quite obvious that if the positions of all the main parties once became pro-NATO, then even before the application for membership, this would have already provoked a hybrid attack on the eastern border, much more acute than in Belarus. Definitely, this would be a disaster for Finland, which would be happy only for the Greens, the Left Union and all sorts of democrats. [...] It is difficult even to imagine the possibility of NATO membership until the political situation in the world calms down

- pointed out by Arto Saarinen.
  • Used photographs: Ministry of Defense of Finland
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  1. Yuri Palaznik Offline Yuri Palaznik
    Yuri Palaznik (Yuri Palaznik) 5 December 2021 09: 42
    How did the Finns not think of buying LNG from the USA before? Not too late. Forward! It is already submerged and is just waiting for the Finns. And the price is right. For the sake of Suomi, the Yankees will not be lucky to sell it more expensive in Asia. Why do they need profit. The main thing is to annoy Russia.
  2. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
    gunnerminer (gunner miner) 5 December 2021 10: 28
    Accession to NATO based on the opinion of Internet anonymous authors. laughing
  3. beeper Offline beeper
    beeper 5 December 2021 12: 10
    Often among the zakordonnye (and not only) inhabitants "inverted consciousness" - they confuse the cause with the effect! fool
    For example, these "indignant Finns" casually admit the fact that the post-Soviet Baltic republics joined NATO in 2004 ( By no means "under Yeltsin" - this "mess in the head" and frank "stretch" of the crafty Finnish "Blocher" will be left on his "conscience", and after all, Russian President Vladimir Putin peacefully agreed with this "entry" of the Tribaltic extinctions "without any" would "!)!
    Those. they themselves fix the reason - the fact of continuous NATO expansion, progress towards the borders of the Russian Federation! winked
    But the fraudulent Finnish Goebbelsuchs, without any hesitation, "distort" the facts and hypocritically keep silent (as if "they do not notice" - because "this is different" ?!) about the constant anti-Russian aggressive rhetoric (including their own, in anti-Russian comments!), both the top leadership of NATO and the authorities of these NATO "young members" themselves (and the "unmanned" pro-NATO "sub-members" of the American Euro-colony "Ukraine" and the American-Turkish Caucasian colony "Georgia"), as a consequence of this reason, forcing Moscow to take defensive retaliatory measures and try to peacefully "sort out the situation" with an increasing concentration of NATO troops and weapons directly near the borders of Russia(there are all the signs that the "common people" are again preparing their aggressive "Drang nach Osten", now under the leadership of Fashington) ...
    But if this time too we, "wild Russians", manage to fight off this "civilizing" beast, then it is NOT necessary, as it was in 1945, to spare these reptiles and their homes(you shouldn't lay down the lives of our soldiers for the preservation of the occupying "ancient Catholic cathedrals, museums and cultural values" - liberating "ancient western cities" without the use of artillery and aircraft, you need to protect your people and wipe your enemies off the face of the earth without regret, like the Americans and the British they wiped out entire western cities and killed millions of Western and Japanese residents, for which they are now honored and respected by the present-day Europeans and Japanese enslaved by the Anglo-Saxons, and for us, for the careful preservation of their values ​​and enemy lives, for our fathers and grandfathers who perished in the process - the blasphemy and ingratitude of the forgetful inhabitants of the West!), and it is NOT necessary "in the Stalinist way" (generously and mercifully to the enemies, but not sparing their own!) to feed the Zapadoid - "unfortunate French" and other "Germans" with white bread at the expense of dying from the post-war hunger of compatriots, let the invaders and their countries receive full punishment for all their atrocities and ill-intentions! am
    1. Spbgenn Offline Spbgenn
      Spbgenn (Gennady) 5 December 2021 18: 12
      Joseph's post-war policy was a complete failure ....
      Instead of returning them to the agricultural area, he gave them to build factories. Idiocy...
  4. S WITH Offline S WITH
    S WITH (N S) 5 December 2021 15: 28
    the higher the wish for joining NATO, the higher the Russian duties on their goods should be, up to the complete closure of the Russian market
  5. Binder Offline Binder
    Binder (Miron) 5 December 2021 16: 15
    Finland was subjected to unprovoked Soviet aggression in 1939-1940, its people remember that war and the seized territories of Finland are still part of the Russian Federation. Therefore, the Finns naturally fear a new Russian expansion, and the only way for their small country to strengthen its position in the confrontation with Russia is NATO membership. And for the North Atlantic Alliance, Finland is undoubtedly a welcome ally - a developed advanced industry, a strong stable democracy, a successful economy and skillful warriors who, in the event of aggression from the east, will bravely fight for their country. For many years after World War II, Finland was neutral, was not a member of military blocs, had good-neighborly relations with both the West and the USSR and the Warsaw Pact countries, and today Russia's policy is pushing the Finns into the ranks of enemies.
    1. akarfoxhound Offline akarfoxhound
      akarfoxhound 5 December 2021 16: 30
      Well done, athlete! Direct connoisseur of pre-war history! "Gracefully" he laid everything out - to an outrageous one-sidedness, primitive, like your own dumbbell and in Goebbels' style! good
      1. Binder Offline Binder
        Binder (Miron) 5 December 2021 16: 43
        Are there any reasoned objections on the merits? If not, then I recommend picking up dumbbells - all the benefits.
        1. Spbgenn Offline Spbgenn
          Spbgenn (Gennady) 5 December 2021 18: 21
          Finland, the main Russophobic country in the world. They are just waiting for trouble to attack! "Skillful wars" ... In 1944 it was necessary to demand the demilitarization of Finland.
        2. akarfoxhound Offline akarfoxhound
          akarfoxhound 7 December 2021 11: 56
          Are you a strange person, demanding fully disclosed weighty arguments in your comments in response to the primitive, biased slogans you have thrown? Are you seriously? Do you think that the real prehistory of the Soviet-Finnish war is a set of your thesis exhausts, or can it be characterized by commerce ??? Have you tried reading? Type in the "preconditions for the Soviet-Finnish war" and get to know the world in its versatility (and even then on the Internet I consider articles to be very simplified and concise).
          If you don’t master it, go back to "understandable" dumbbells
          1. Binder Offline Binder
            Binder (Miron) 7 December 2021 17: 36
            The real prehistory of the Soviet-Finnish war is that the leadership of the USSR intended to annex Finland in the same way as the Baltic states were annexed. It didn't work out with the Finns. And today you can write anything you want.
            1. alexey alexeyev_2 (Alexey Alekseev) 7 December 2021 19: 11
              Well, in general, the Baltic states were annexed to the USSR as a result of the Soviet-Finnish war, no matter how they talk about the defeat of the USSR.
            2. akarfoxhound Offline akarfoxhound
              akarfoxhound 10 December 2021 20: 27
              You do not seem to be aware of the pre-war negotiations on the exchange of territories either? Have you heard about the proposal voiced by J. Paasikivi in ​​October 1939? The conclusion about the powerlessness of the Red Army on the basis of hostilities from November 30 to February 10, and what happened next until March 13 does not count, since in the arranged picture of the exhausted output does not fit?
              The Soviets reached the planned line of demarcation of the pre-war negotiations between the diplomats of the two countries, but this time it was true by the military method.

              The thesis - "they intended to annex Finland" and the conclusion - "did not work" - this is for the sounded version - can you write anything you want? Eh ...
              1. Binder Offline Binder
                Binder (Miron) 10 December 2021 20: 35
                Quote: akarfoxhound
                You do not seem to be aware of the pre-war negotiations on the exchange of territories either? Have you heard about the proposal voiced by J. Paasikivi in ​​October 1939?

                I, a good citizen, know a lot of things that you have no idea about and will never have. The proposal to exchange the best and most comfortable Finnish lands for the wild wilderness of the Finns could not interest the Finns, the Soviet side put forward deliberately unacceptable proposals.
                Ask about the ratio of losses of the sides in that war, and only then talk about the power of the Red Army.
                1. akarfoxhound Offline akarfoxhound
                  akarfoxhound 18 December 2021 00: 30
                  Take an interest, comrade fizkul-hello, how the Finns themselves responded about the actions of the Red Army in the first and second periods of this war, and only then start empty-handedly talk about matters in which you are insanely far away. The Red Army and the Second World War did not start brilliantly, but she finished it, completing the task in full, as in the Finnish one.
                  You are also far, for example, from the aircraft raised here, into which you climb in the same absolute distance without soap in ...

                  You are the clearest example of the Dunning-Kruger effect I have ever encountered.
                  Develop, try to comprehend - the world is more than dumbbells wink
                  1. Binder Offline Binder
                    Binder (Miron) 18 December 2021 00: 38
                    Well, you have not grown up to dumbbells, you are not able to develop, and your attempts at intellectualism are ridiculous. I am sincerely sorry for you. bully
                    1. akarfoxhound Offline akarfoxhound
                      akarfoxhound 18 December 2021 00: 43
                      What was required to prove - the theme, due to its complexity, does not look like a favorite cast-iron toy, the "effect" poured Jewish compassionate snot laughing laughing laughing
                      1. Binder Offline Binder
                        Binder (Miron) 18 December 2021 01: 10
                        The Almighty commanded us to feel sorry for the orphan and the poor, you fully correspond to this category. yes
                      2. akarfoxhound Offline akarfoxhound
                        akarfoxhound 19 December 2021 10: 05
                        Well done, straight standard!
                        Strive for perfection of "effect", please do Dunning! laughing
  6. Spbgenn Offline Spbgenn
    Spbgenn (Gennady) 5 December 2021 18: 15
    Finland had no right to land from Kouvola to Sestroeck. They were captured in 1918. And in 1940 they were recaptured, a "connoisseur" of history ..
  7. alexey alexeyev_2 (Alexey Alekseev) 7 December 2021 08: 42
    You speak unprovoked. And the fact that Leningrad could be fired upon from cannons is nothing? Instead, they gave three times more territory to move the border. Now the Balts behave like the Finns at 40m.
    1. Binder Offline Binder
      Binder (Miron) 7 December 2021 17: 38
      There is no logic at all. Have the Finns ever tried to bombard Leningrad?
      1. alexey alexeyev_2 (Alexey Alekseev) 7 December 2021 19: 08
        Actually, in their dreams, "Great Finland" stretched to the Urals. They tried several times to try to chop off a piece of Soviet Russia under the guise of a civil war, but got in the teeth
  • RFR Offline RFR
    RFR (RFR) 5 December 2021 20: 48
    Yes, let them enter, DB ... Immediately they should block off the forest, and gas, and Bukhalovo Sharovskoe in St. Petersburg ... In a week they will howl and come back ... What to take from them ...
  • Pavel57 Offline Pavel57
    Pavel57 (Paul) 5 December 2021 21: 36
    Instead of buying shale gas from the United States, wind turbines are being built faster.
  • Vladimir Androsov_2 (Vladimir Androsov) 5 December 2021 22: 03
    Finland was an ally of Germany in World War II, Stalin could, under this pretext, deprive the Finns of independence as a winner. The Finns understood this, drew conclusions and traded very well with the USSR, observing neutrality. If now stupid people come to power in Chukhonia, they will get something that will force them to completely reconsider their foreign policy, as well as redirect their hard-earned money instead of social programs to militarize the country. At the same time, NATO membership will not help them in any way, if missile launchers appear in Finland, they will be destroyed, since the flight time to St. Petersburg is very short. An armed conflict between the Russian Federation and NATO will be anyway, these people understand only force, I do not understand just what place the Poles and Romanians think when giving permission to deploy missile systems on their territory, their countries immediately became a target for our missile systems, while the defeat of these targets are duplicated many times for guaranteed destruction.
  • Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
    Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 6 December 2021 22: 54
    It is indicative: the Finns still believe that Yeltsin allowed the Baltic states into NATO:

    Finland was supposed to join NATO in the 90s along with the Baltic countries. This was not a problem then, and Yeltsin would have agreed.

    In fact, the ratification of the Baltic states' accession to NATO took place on March 29, 2004. That is, just 15 days after Putin's victory in the presidential elections on March 14, 2004. This was his second term.
    Yeltsin looked favorably on the preliminary procedures. Putin continued this line