Russia needs to recognize Donbass as the legal successor of the real Ukraine

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In 2024, the next presidential elections are to be held in Ukraine. It is very likely that a new coup d'état will take place in Kiev exactly when the losing side refuses to recognize the opponent's victory and switches to the use of force to seize power. Most likely, Vladimir Zelensky and the somewhat forgotten Petro Poroshenko will again come together in an irreconcilable battle. How should Russia react to this?

It’s amazing how little the initially high rating of the “servant of the people” and his party lasted. Today, more than half of the interviewed potential voters do not want him to run for a second presidential term. But Vladimir Aleksandrovich will simply have to do it, if only for the sake of preserving life, freedom, and acquired by back-breaking labor. The only explanation why the disgraced ex-President Poroshenko did not "sit down" for a long time is that he had some kind of "security certificate" from Washington, for which the oligarch obviously paid a lot of money. Will Zelensky have one? It is not a fact that anyone will "harness" for him at all.



In general, Vladimir Alexandrovich was in vain to climb into power. It would be better if he remained just a successful businessman from the Ukrainian humor. Once in the "bank with spiders", he was even forced to try on Bonaparte's tricorne hat, trying to establish a regime of real one-man power, pushing aside the oligarchs. He did not do it very well, because he even had to publicly announce a coup d'état by some oligarchs headed by Rinat Akhmetov.

So far, it seems, nothing happened. But 2024 is almost certainly not enough. Already now the party of Petro Poroshenko called "European Solidarity" is more popular than the "Servant of the People". If it blocks with Yulia Tymoshenko's Batkivshchyna party, the Reasonable policy"And Lyashko's radicals, they will seriously tie the hands of President Zelensky. And if specially trained people help to "correctly" count the votes in the elections of the head of state, then Ukraine will again be pushed into a political crisis.

Let's think about how Russia needs to respond to this. Revenge of Poroshenko almost inevitably means an escalation of the armed conflict in Donbass and a further deterioration in relations between Kiev and Moscow, which is absolutely not beneficial to us. Maybe it’s worth answering with a knight's move?

To begin with, we note that a few days ago, former Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych, who fled from the Maidan, saving his life, appealed to the District Administrative Court of Kiev in order to appeal the legality of the decision of the Verkhovna Rada to remove him from office. Curious. It was even more interesting to read the theses of his next appeal to the citizens of Ukraine on the 8th anniversary of the Maidan, where he spoke about the need to end the war in Donbass, restore industry, establish the neutral status of Independent, etc. It almost turned out to be a pre-election program. Let's remember this.

Now let's talk about the further fate of Ukraine, Crimea, DPR and LPR. In 2014, a coup d'etat took place in Kiev, Russophobic-minded neo-Nazis came to power, and this is an indisputable fact. In response to this, referendums were held in Crimea and Donbass with different results: the peninsula became part of the Russian Federation, and the DPR and LPR raised the issue of sovereignty in a plebescite. We should especially note that neither Moscow, nor Kiev, nor the Western countries recognized the legality and results of the referendums in Donbass. So be it. Can we use this to our advantage?

Yes. Let's go back to 2014. Before the coup d'état, Ukraine was a conditionally neutral country in relation to Russia, and after it it became openly hostile. At the same time, Crimeans and residents of Donbass are now called “separatists” there, and Russia is called an “occupier”. Let's turn the situation around. Who said that they were the “separatists”, and that Kiev, where the coup d'etat took place, is the only successor to the pre-Maid Ukraine sample before 2014?

Let us clarify this idea. In fact, Nezalezhnaya was divided into two unequal parts, where Crimea went to Russia, and the DPR and LPR remained the only pro-Russian regions. But why shouldn't Moscow recognize them as the legal successors of the pre-Maid Ukraine? Let us recall that none of the interested parties recognized the results of the referendums in Donbass. On the contrary, the Kremlin constantly emphasizes that Donbass is Ukraine. Let's admit. Then why not hold another plebescite in the DPR and LPR, where the question will be asked whether the inhabitants of Donbass consider their region and themselves the legal successors of the pre-Maid Ukraine? And why then should the Kremlin not recognize the pro-Russian Donbass as the only "real" Ukraine, and deny recognition to Zelensky and Poroshenko's Ukraine following the presidential elections in 2024?

Then you get a completely different alignment. There is such a completely official term with a dissonant name - "stump state": a country that has experienced a sharp reduction in its territory as a result of a war or other cataclysm. For us, the Russians, it is Donbass that can act as a "stump state" dominated by Ukraine, with which we had quite normal working relations, in contrast to post-Maidan Ukraine. If the Kremlin recognizes Donbass as the legal successor of the pre-Maid Ukraine, then two countries will appear at once: the pro-Russian Ukraine-1 and Ukraine-2 with its neo-Nazis in power, which will be de jure and de facto "separatists" for Moscow.

This will immediately radically change all political alignments. Presidential elections in 2024 in Ukraine-2 cannot be recognized, but President Yanukovych must be returned to Ukraine-1 and diplomatic relations must be established with her. Then Russia's actions to support the pre-Maid Ukraine will no longer be "support for the separatists", on the contrary, this territory and its new authorities may become a new "assemblage point" in opposition to the neo-Nazis in Kiev. It may even be cooler than the "government in exile". Why not?
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  1. +1
    3 December 2021 16: 42
    A very interesting move. And what will Nuland say then? - Did you take cookies to the wrong place?
    Similar events already took place in Ukraine a little over 100 years ago.
    1. 0
      3 December 2021 17: 07
      Ukraine-2 in this case remains with IMF loans
    2. -4
      4 December 2021 11: 35
      War between Russia and Ukraine is on the agenda, and the State Department plans to unleash it. According to his plan, this should be another meat grinder in Europe, from which America will once again benefit. There will be no nuclear strike, there will be no banner over the White House. The Poseidons and Petrels will remain in the same garage with the Vanguards. There will be no war between Russia and the United States. There will be a war between Russia and Ukraine, in which we will get bogged down for months, and the consequences of which will be fatal for the Russian economy. For its investment climate. The situation is according to the "Pitchfork." with bosharovs, and fradkovs.
      1. +3
        4 December 2021 17: 29
        In such a situation, diplomats and intelligence officers of the highest qualifications are required, not butins, anki, chepigs with bosharovs, and fradkovs.

        Do you mean Pavel Sudoplatov?
        1. -4
          4 December 2021 18: 55
          No. He's a saboteur.
          1. +1
            5 December 2021 17: 30
            And what, that he is a diversion?
            1. -3
              5 December 2021 17: 34
              This means not a scout. The saboteur is shown an object to strike. The scout is looking for such an object, and explains the situation around him.
  2. 0
    3 December 2021 16: 45
    Cool solution! Everything is in accordance with the old truth:

    I'll tell you a joke
    as Fedot rides on a goat.
    Three awkward turns
    and the goat climbed onto Fedot.
  3. -1
    3 December 2021 17: 11
    Everything in 2024 (as in 2014 and in 2019) will depend on the benefits of the Russian gas transit business ... if it does not "burn out" with the launch of the JV-2, then Moscow will most likely "recognize" Nazibander's "Maidanopresik" again. chosen by Washington, be it at least the Bloody Giblets, even the Demoniac Adik himself ?! request
  4. -5
    3 December 2021 17: 59
    If the Kremlin recognizes Donbass as the legal successor of the pre-Maid Ukraine, then two countries will appear at once: the pro-Russian Ukraine-1 and Ukraine-2 with its neo-Nazis in power, which will be de jure and de facto "separatists" for Moscow.

    The Kremlin did not penetrate so much into the Maidan in particular. The chief experts on the Maidan, Chernomyrdin and Zurabov, are not the lot. The old man died, and the mature one is out of work. Boris Gryzlov continues to gnaw goats.
  5. +4
    3 December 2021 18: 48
    Let us clarify this idea. In fact, Nezalezhnaya was divided into two unequal parts, where Crimea went to Russia, and the DPR and LPR remained the only pro-Russian regions. But why shouldn't Moscow recognize them as the legal successors of the pre-Maid Ukraine?

    Late. LDNR is no longer Ukraine. Listen to the broadcasts of Ukrainian channels, where people from LPNR dial up.
    Yes, and the citizens of Russia there will soon be a majority. Maybe already.
    And Ukraine will be destroyed. Already Yanukovych was sent for this purpose. And the upcoming heating season will help him. Ukraine is completely unnecessary. Taking away individual areas will make it easier to throw off the encumbrances that have already covered this territorial misunderstanding.
    1. -1
      4 December 2021 07: 35
      Late. LDNR is no longer Ukraine. Listen to the broadcasts of Ukrainian channels, where people from LPNR dial up.

      It's not about that at all
      1. 0
        4 December 2021 18: 28
        And I mean that Ukraine is not needed at all. Neither -1 nor -2. Crimea, Donetsk and Luhansk regions in 2014 officially (referendum) distanced themselves from the Ukrainian junta. The fact that some of the DO and LO have been captured does not matter. It was an occupation. For the occupation, Ukraine still has to answer and will have to compensate. And Yanukovych is not needed there, let him deal with Kiev, ruin Ukraine ..
  6. +1
    3 December 2021 22: 33
    Better yet, return Yanukovych to some Haiti or Bali, recognize Ukraine 1, establish relations, and then there will be a warm resort, an outlet to the sea with possible bases, and a logistics base for trade.)))

    Antarctica is also nothing with untouched fossils.)))
    1. 0
      4 December 2021 11: 48
      Why clown around when discussing a serious topic? You have nothing smart to say about the case? Just keep quiet.
      1. +2
        4 December 2021 23: 57
        I forgot to ask you for permission.

        The absurdity of an idea is best seen when it is strengthened a little.

        The LDNR and the military "without insignia" are eagerly eager when they will forcibly return a corrupt traitor with "golden" kids, and even in the role of a "remotely chosen" temporary president .... ((((although for loot and PR it is possible, no doubt about it.

        The best idea to spoil everything is hard to come up with ...

        It's like to appoint Chubais again as prime minister and return the rest of the "heroes" of the 90s to their posts ... for the sake of a great idea and a cunning plan, of course ...
  7. +4
    3 December 2021 22: 54
    Presidential elections in 2024 in Ukraine-2 cannot be recognized, but President Yanukovych must be returned to Ukraine-1 and diplomatic relations must be established with her.

    The last thing Donbass wants is the return of the cowardly traitor.
    Yanukovych will only face public flogging in the central squares of Donetsk and Lugansk.
    At its best, silent contempt and quiet sabotage.

    Russia's actions to support the pre-Maid Ukraine will no longer be “support for the separatists,” on the contrary, this territory and its new authorities may become a new “assemblage point” in opposition to the neo-Nazis in Kiev.

    Deadborn schema.
    What is it for?
    The West can only recognize the complete surrender of both republics to the mercy of the Kiev regime.
    For Russia, another suitcase without a handle.

    This will immediately radically change all political alignments.

    Only Russia's recognition of the LPNR with the appointment of a specific date for referendums on their entry into the Russian Federation can radically change the political alignments.
    The rest is poured from empty to empty ..
    1. -3
      4 December 2021 07: 36
      Deadborn schema.
      What is it for?
      The West can only recognize the complete surrender of both republics to the mercy of the Kiev regime.
      For Russia, another suitcase without a handle.

      Deep analysis, brilliant understanding of the essence of the issue!
      1. +3
        4 December 2021 22: 54
        Deep analysis, brilliant understanding of the essence of the issue!

        Only personal opinion.
        By the way, it does not pretend to be the ultimate truth.
    2. -2
      4 December 2021 12: 18
      The last thing Donbass wants is the return of the cowardly traitor.
      Yanukovych will only face public flogging in the central squares of Donetsk and Lugansk.
      At its best, silent contempt and quiet sabotage.

      What kind of fantasies? Have you asked these people? Did you decide everything for them?

      Deadborn schema.
      What is it for?
      The West can only recognize the complete surrender of both republics to the mercy of the Kiev regime.
      For Russia, another suitcase without a handle.

      The stillborn scheme is the treacherous Minsk agreements that have tied Russia and Donbass hand and foot.
      Recognition of the West in FIG and is not necessary.

      Only Russia's recognition of the LPNR with the appointment of a specific date for referendums on their entry into the Russian Federation can radically change the political alignments.
      The rest is poured from empty to empty ..

      Their recognition and entry into the Russian Federation will not solve the existing problems, but will only exacerbate them.
      1. +3
        4 December 2021 13: 35
        treacherous Minsk agreements that

        This phrase fully characterizes you as a 100% kitchen strategist.
        Minsk was the perfect move.
      2. +5
        4 December 2021 23: 45
        What kind of fantasies? Have you asked these people? Did you decide everything for them?

        Donbass will not accept Yanukovych.
        There is no need to breed the chimeras of the ever-memorable Surkov with "schemes" incomprehensible to the common people ..

        The stillborn scheme is the treacherous Minsk agreements that have tied Russia and Donbass hand and foot.

        Some people still believe that the field commanders of the Donbass militia in 2014 were able to reach Kiev ..
        With their meager composition of "unseen" ..
        We were butting for the Donetsk airport for several months.

        PS Yes, the Minsk agreements were concluded with the prospect of a change in the political situation in Ukraine, but expectations were not met and our leadership clearly delayed solving the problem (in my opinion).
        However, at that time there were simply no other solutions.

        Their recognition and entry into the Russian Federation will not solve the existing problems, but will only exacerbate them.

        Uh-huh.
        The earth's axis will hit a polar bear .. laughing
        Uncle, who are you scaring with "aggravation" ??

        The world is changing so fast that your "forecasts" are not worth the keyboard on which you rivet the next "articles". smile
  8. -2
    4 December 2021 10: 19
    Stalin tried to do something similar with the "Finnish Democratic Republic", of which Otto Kuusinen was appointed head. After the defeat of the USSR, the "republic" was quietly swept under the carpet, and no longer remembered about it.
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    2. +1
      5 December 2021 18: 24
      Where was the defeat? Let me remind you:
      1. 0
        6 December 2021 04: 46
        The plan was: to occupy all of Finland. For this, strikes were delivered from three directions. Central direction: to cut Finland in half, reaching Oulu on the shores of the Gulf of Bothnia. For this, the 44th and 163rd divisions of the Red Army were allocated. Which and ingloriously disappeared in the forest, shot and boiled in cauldrons by Finnish mobile sniper detachments. Finland ended up losing 10% of its territory, not 100%; combat losses were 30000, the losses of the Red Army are still classified, and according to various estimates, they range from 150000 to 300000.
  9. 0
    4 December 2021 12: 55
    Until 24 years old, as well as in 24, there are simultaneous elections in the Russian Federation and in Ukraine. There will be no time for LDNR for sure.
    Zelensky still has to live to be 24 years old, and first of all, go through this winter.
    If the snot is not put away, then it is possible to provoke them a new Maidan as early as next year with a changeable government, and maybe with new fleeing regions.
    If you continue at the same pace as now, toss El from around the corner. Energy, fuel, gas, and thus only help them to remain in power.
    The main thing that you definitely don't need to do is to attack this Ukraine. The attack is what the ukrovlast and, above all, the United States, dream about.
    Until the Armed Forces make a move similar to the Georgian attack on Tskhinvali, we cannot attack.
    But in response, you can and should, the main thing is not to miss the moment and be ready.
    And the recognition of Ukraine 2 is a game with incomprehensible consequences. Better in general, we do not need Ukraine.
    My opinion is that we need to pay attention only to the south and east along the Dnieper without Kiev. De facto, Ukraine will remain with Kiev and western Ukraine with all debts and without access to the sea. In this form, it will not last long and will be absorbed by neighboring states.
  10. 0
    4 December 2021 12: 58
    Not so simple. First. We still need to live until 2024. Moreover, against the backdrop of incessant hysteria on the part of the West to push Ukraine to "to the last ...". The Kremlin already understands that the two republics are real Ukraine. Only the signing of "Minsk" is weighing on him. This is used by the "Nezalezhnaya", without announcing the termination of the implementation of the agreements. Regrettable as it is to see what the Ukrainian Armed Forces are doing, nevertheless, I believe the Kremlin's strategy will be unexpected for many. And, I think, very beneficial in a political sense for Russia.
  11. +4
    4 December 2021 13: 28
    M yeah. I'm only afraid that the Donetsk people will beat Yanukovych with the same pleasure they would beat Poroshenko or Zelevinsky.
    This is the first thing. Secondly, the pre-Maid Ukraine was just as Russophobic as it is now.
    Author, write better about the aircraft carriers plowing the Bolshoi Theater.
  12. +1
    4 December 2021 13: 29
    Donbass must be recognized as the legal successor of Ukraine.

    This had to be done in 2014.
    But the Kremlin is cowardly and tied to the business interests of its "elites."
  13. +2
    4 December 2021 17: 17
    what Ukraine !!! Donbass = Russia! it was Lenin who drove the Kryvyi Rih-Donbass republic into an anti-Russian project Ukraine
    Ukraine is a Russophobic state in its essence and purpose, and to sculpt the following shit on its head?
  14. 0
    5 December 2021 12: 26
    Donbass must be recognized as the historical part of Russia, since until 1922 it was not part of Ukraine, and not to invent geographic nonsense
  15. 0
    8 December 2021 17: 49
    Why does Russia need Ukraine? Her pans in power all their lives did nasty things to Russia, deceived and betrayed, starting with Mazepa. Cut off and forget about her like a nightmare. It won't get any worse.
  16. +2
    8 December 2021 17: 52
    And Donbass has always been Russian. And so it should remain. Donetsk people will not understand if Russia betrays them again.
  17. 0
    12 December 2021 15: 29
    The idea is clear, but the proposal does not go through, since Russia has already officially recognized the elections that took place in Ukraine after 2013, and Poroshenko and Zelensky as the elected presidents of Ukraine.