What can the creation of a single aircraft construction giant in Russia lead to?


An important milestone has come in the domestic aircraft industry. It has been announced that the United Aircraft Corporation (UAC), MiG and Sukhoi companies will merge into a single structure. It is obvious that the industry is at a crossroads: either it will go to further systematic development along the path of the European Airbus corporation, or to degradation through the inevitable “optimization”. What gives us reason to believe so?


The achievements of the Soviet engineering school can neither be denied nor overestimated. One of the keys to its success was the socialist competition imposed from above between various design bureaus, which were forced to continuously develop new concepts and look for the best solutions. In helicopter construction, the Mil had its own Kamov, and the Sukhoi had a MiG, as they say, so that the crucian carp did not sleep in the pond. And it worked, worked very well. We still live on the legacy of the Soviet design school.

Unfortunately, a lot has changed now. There is no longer a great superpower that could afford to be a "thing in itself" with its own huge market and numerous design bureaus. Now we have capitalism in our country, and profit is at the forefront. Domestic aircraft manufacturers have to survive, fighting for sales markets dominated by Western aviation giants. Both Boeing and Airbus are true multinational corporations with subsidiaries and factories in many countries and operating on the basis of an international division of labor. For example, wings for European airliners are produced in Great Britain, fuselages are assembled in French Toulouse, and also partially in Germany, China and the United States.

Can our Tupolev or Irkut compete on equal terms with such powerful corporations? Alas, no. They simply have incomparable financial resources and production capacities, as well as the ability to promote their products in foreign markets and subsequent after-sales service. Yes, the state in recent years has begun to actively support the revival of the civil aircraft industry, but its possibilities in this are not unlimited. Cooperation and unification of domestic aircraft manufacturing enterprises into a single consortium seems to be the only right decision at the moment. How can further events develop?

Option number 1. "Optimistic"


I'd like to believe the statements of officials and industry experts that after consolidation, the Russian aircraft industry will take off. We are promised that the merger will reduce costs by “optimizing” the administrative and managerial staff, various non-core expenses, and a huge debt burden. The creation of a single directorate will improve the manageability of resources, and different design bureaus within the corporation will retain their independence and autonomy and will not so much compete with each other as complement each other. The united domestic aviation giant will be able to attract credit funds on much more favorable terms.

Sounds good. But there is also another scenario.

Option number 2. "Pessimistic"


Doubts of this kind were expressed even when Mil and Kamov were merged into the National Center for Helicopter Engineering. There are fears that in the pursuit of profit, "effective managers" will "cut" all promising projects that do not promise guaranteed profits. For example, for the needs of the Russian Aerospace Forces or the Russian Navy, a new helicopter or aircraft with certain tacticaltechnical characteristics, but in a small series. Or the design bureau will, on its own initiative, want to develop such an aircraft. But top managers simply will not allow him to do this, since a lot of money will have to be invested in such a project, and the financial return will probably not repulse them at all. Perhaps something similar within the capitalist system?

The fact that the association is done for the sake of money can be evidenced by the following fact. At the beginning of November 2021, the MiG Corporation put up for sale a land plot in Moscow with an area of ​​57,7 hectares, as well as 134 real estate objects near Leningradsky Prospekt near the Dynamo metro station. The issue price is 35,5 billion rubles. Housing development is planned on this territory with a total area of ​​1 to 1,5 million square meters. The land was "freed up" because the aircraft manufacturer stopped using it for its intended purpose, that is, for the production of aircraft. There was an option to place the UAC technopark there, but, as we can see, the preference was given to commercial buildings. Curious what else can be "optimized" in the future?

There are also questions about the list of companies to be merged. Why is there no United Engine Corporation in it? Probably, the main problem of the domestic aircraft industry is not even debts to banks, but power plants for airplanes and helicopters. Joining the UEC to the aviation giant being created, where the engine builders will be looked after by their customers, suggests itself. It is incomprehensible, illogical.
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  1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
    gunnerminer (gunner miner) 3 December 2021 12: 06
    -5
    The creation of a single aircraft manufacturing giant in Russia can only lead to further, stunning successes. laughing Russian aircraft, at the Dubai exhibition, have crowds of buyers, but only for helicopters.
    1. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 3 December 2021 12: 28
      +1
      Still, you are a colleague of our binder smile
      1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
        gunnerminer (gunner miner) 3 December 2021 12: 40
        -2
        No, some separate points of view coincide. Rosavia has huge successes, but not as often and deeply as dreamed of. It is much more pleasant to write about successes.
        1. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
          Marzhecki (Sergei) 3 December 2021 12: 50
          0
          The industry is in crisis. You have to get out of it.
          These measures will either help, or not, or will partially help.

          It is much more enjoyable to write about successes.

          I have already pointed out to you the difference between constructive criticism and criticism. I do the first and you do the second.
          1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
            gunnerminer (gunner miner) 3 December 2021 14: 47
            -3
            Probably, the main problem of the domestic aircraft industry is not even debts to banks, but power plants for airplanes and helicopters.

            A controversial statement. Enterprises, especially the military-industrial complex, are head over heels in debt. The president writes off 1 rillion annually. But at the same time, there are no similar modernizations in Japan, in South Korea. It is not visible that enterprises are engaged in rhythmic training of personnel.

            These measures will either help, or not, or will partially help.

            What are the reasons for this result?
          2. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
            gunnerminer (gunner miner) 3 December 2021 15: 21
            -4
            The Su and the MiG have merged. There are no positive results. The MiG-35 is not needed by the Russian Air Force. The Su-57 is not at all fun. In aviation it is not so noticeable externally, but we are losing international tenders. And it is not surprising: only four Russian-made fighters (out of 28 supplied Su-30MKM and MiG-29) in the Malaysian Air Force can take to the skies, Algeria was forced to return 12 MiG-29SMT fighters, accusing Russia of low quality aircraft manufacturing, and half (out of two hundred) Su-30MK delivered to India. I can take off due to critical problems in the on-board equipment. Last year, India abandoned the operation of the MiG-29 fighters purchased from Russia and the purchase of fifth-generation fighters, preferring the American F-35s.
          3. Boris Chernikov Offline Boris Chernikov
            Boris Chernikov (Boris Chern) 3 December 2021 21: 52
            +1
            the main thing is to preserve the Mikoyan and Sukhoi design bureaus, so even if they compete within the same company, there will be unification in terms of components, and the workers will be in charge if something happens ..
            1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
              gunnerminer (gunner miner) 4 December 2021 15: 32
              -4
              I agree. Theoretically correct step.
          4. Nikolaevich I Offline Nikolaevich I
            Nikolaevich I (Vladimir) 5 December 2021 10: 39
            0
            Quote: Marzhetsky
            These measures will either help, or not, or will partially help.

            Well, yes ... the patient either recovers or dies ... or remains disabled ... But what does "optimization" have to do with it? request
    2. mikado__ Offline mikado__
      mikado__ (RL) 4 December 2021 14: 46
      0
      But for some reason the Emirati sheikhs bought French Rafali and paddling helicopters.
  2. rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
    rotkiv04 (Victor) 3 December 2021 12: 15
    +3
    The Taburetkin business is alive and well, this figure almost killed the army, now he took up the optimization of the aviation industry, but since he is allowed to do this, then someone needs it
    1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 3 December 2021 12: 42
      -3
      Chubais and Taburetkin are great managers. Taburektin significantly streamlined the theft in the Moscow region, in the military. Before him, several thousand thieves were stolen. He reduced the number of thieves to several dozen. With the same level of theft.
  3. NikolayN Offline NikolayN
    NikolayN (Nikolai) 3 December 2021 13: 15
    +2
    We have published at the enterprises such standards and regulations, especially for the procurement of components and spare parts, that we will not be able to engage in any after-sales service of aircraft. It's just not real. And without that, nobody needs them.
    In general, we know how to put such sticks in our wheels at all levels, starting with legislation, which is unlikely to save us. We do not need any obamas with little ones to stifle our production and economy. We are quite successfully coping with this ourselves.
    1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 3 December 2021 14: 49
      -4
      That's right, NATO intelligence agencies can only stand and monitor the process.
  4. Bulanov Offline Bulanov
    Bulanov (Vladimir) 3 December 2021 13: 24
    +2
    In the meantime, for such a long time, even the modernized AN-2 has not been released. And everyone knows very well how the national economy needs it.
    1. zenion Offline zenion
      zenion (zinovy) 4 December 2021 20: 56
      0
      Since it will not be there, they will not plant corn.
  5. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 3 December 2021 14: 12
    +1
    In general, it is clear that nothing is clear.
    The merger was warned long ago.

    Everyone will decide the rules of the game.

    Profit and laundering or real steps. While in the media, throwing hats when past promises are not fulfilled (whatever you call them).
    And the "media experts" or "effective managers" are to blame - no difference. Nobody is responsible.
    1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 3 December 2021 14: 52
      -3
      While in the media, throwing hats when past promises are not fulfilled (whatever you call them).

      Plus a stream of news from the future. For the deception of the internal consumer. Type "we will be able to develop", "will be developed", "will become unparalleled in the world." Mountains of 1905 hats.
  6. FrankyStein Offline FrankyStein
    FrankyStein (FrankyStein) 4 December 2021 00: 37
    0
    Would try to sell before merging. These associations, consolidations will not end well.
  7. otvinta Offline otvinta
    otvinta (Otvinta) 4 December 2021 01: 17
    +2
    Cradle engines have always been "created" for Sukhoi.
    Kuznetsov's engines are for Mikoyan.
    Which of the dvigatelists is "first to drain"?
    The Americans, thanks to the fact that in the 90s they "got into production with their feet" at the former "Salut" received documentation for engines with a controlled thrust vector.
    Kuznetsovsk Design Bureau has never created such motors.
    In the "merger" of Sukhoi and the UAC, one must understand who is being "poured" into whom?
    Dvigatelists are not allowed to "drain" there yet.
    Otherwise, the engines launched into development under the state order are “not to be seen”.

    What's left in the UAC:
    1. Yakovlevskoe design bureau "reposed in the Bose."
    In the "Dynamo" area, as stated in the article, capital buildings are being sold with their subsequent replacement with residential high-rise buildings. There are already some traffic jams and there is nowhere to park. Or to Moscow, as before, all the millionaires of the USSR still come and still will not come?
    2. The Tupolev Design Bureau is still trying to do something, but Tupolev himself is no longer there.
    Again, "Carcasses" without engines - they will not fly as needed.
    Why develop a new subsonic bomber?
    Why subsonic, it is clear - there are no engines for that load and does not smell (at Tupolev).
    Moreover, with low "visibility".
    While it is being developed, "stealthy planes" will no longer be invisible even for the Taliban.
    If only this plane will be invisible not because of the coating and composites, but because of the electronic absorbing effect on the radar signals.
    3. Nobody even remembers that we also had the Ilyushinskoye design bureau.
    What plane does the president fly? IL-96.
    And what did the KLA do with the MS-21?
    4. The Mikoyanovskoye design bureau also seems to be slowly "merging" into nowhere as the Yakovlevskoye design bureau did in its time.
    Moreover, neither Mikoyan nor Grigorovich has long been gone, and their talents "rest" on children.
    And the leadership of the KLA is Pagosian. And which design bureau was it originally from?

    Here with him and "unite", ie. The SU is "poured" into the UAC so that the UAC does not die.
    If "Sukhoi" manages to "swallow" or disperse the leadership of the UAC, then good prospects await us.
    The Sukhoi Design Bureau is following a completely correct path.
    In the absence of any intelligible tasks for the future from the warriors, they themselves experiment and actually develop new methods and techniques of war.
    What remains to be done if the warriors can only play "little soldiers" on TV.
    Some of the factories where MiGs were previously made, Sukhoi provided work for the state order SU-30 and SU-35.
    If the KLA does not "drain" Sukhoi, then the KLA will not and will have to "feed" the factories where Dryings are not yet produced. And someone really does not want to "bury" the KLA.

    What are the same spare parts, if structurally MiG and SU are developed from different materials and movable units are designed for different loads?
    The dimensions of the bomb bays, pylons and mountings for the suspension of missiles are not determined by the KLA, but by the creators of the missiles, which are not included in the KLA.

    Debts to banks?
    Due to the misunderstanding of our commanders how a modern war should look like, large military-industrial complex enterprises are underutilized and, accordingly, the cost of products is growing every year.
    The economy is simple: if the F-35 in the basic configuration costs $ 120 million, then the serial SU-57 should cost no more than $ 12 million, not $ 35 million. But when the enterprises are fully loaded.
    It was on such an economy that the USSR "traveled" during the arms race.
    Hence the debts to banks.

    On the other hand, UAC managers do not owe anyone and earn good money.
    Before talking about helicopters, where there is a queue for them in Dubai because of the price, pay attention to the fact that they want to "pump up" the unprofitable company with money from the non-profitable company.
    And what can a non-profitable company create in the future if its money is "taken away and devoured" in a loss-making one?
    1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 4 December 2021 11: 22
      -2
      Due to the misunderstanding of our commanders how a modern war should look like, large military-industrial complex enterprises are underutilized and, accordingly, the cost of products is growing every year.

      Very accurate wording.

      On the other hand, UAC managers do not owe anyone and earn good money.
      Before talking about helicopters, where there is a queue for them in Dubai because of the price, pay attention to the fact that they want to "pump up" the unprofitable company with money from the non-profitable company.
      And what can a non-profitable company create in the future if its money is "taken away and devoured" in a loss-making one?

      A special feature of the Russian military-industrial complex.
    2. zenion Offline zenion
      zenion (zinovy) 4 December 2021 21: 03
      0
      Stalin ruled the country incorrectly. Instead of ordering tanks and aircraft from Hitler before the war, he made them in the USSR. I made the workers learn to do everything themselves. I understood absolutely nothing in the chemistry of economics, let alone now. Now they can do it on paper, that is, write that we have such a thing, and they themselves are scared. No one even has such a thing and will not have analogues, our houses with thatched roofs fly and overtake the sparrows when they land on the ground.
  8. n-suyazov Offline n-suyazov
    n-suyazov (Nikolai) 4 December 2021 13: 50
    +1
    And this merger has already led to the fact that the MS-21 was supposed to go into operation in 2017, and the Il-112V in 2014, and where are they ??? But the show producer and the statistician continue to hang on to the Guarantor about their successes ...
  9. zenion Offline zenion
    zenion (zinovy) 4 December 2021 20: 52
    0
    Just like they stole everything from Khrushchev. By force, each industry was allowed to work under its own authority. We enlarged the districts, four, and where five into one. Then three areas, then four into one. It was fun. It’s like a gathering of five companies in one and commanded by a lieutenant, or a captain, who neither kicks in the tooth nor in the anal with a finger. Now, in general, no one will be responsible for anything, and instead of airplanes, tape recorders will be produced. More money will be made on them. The boss needs to be made one of the most experienced, who took up the micro-tamper and everything slipped out of his hands. Such a red-haired, forelock, who made rasnyane from Rosnano. In general, aviation covered itself with a chicken wing with feathers.
  10. Sasha Ivankov Offline Sasha Ivankov
    Sasha Ivankov (Sasha Ivanov) 7 December 2021 13: 59
    0
    We have "Breakthrough" successes everywhere, everywhere it is torn and bursting with Putin's successes.