"Bastions" are now in the Kuril Islands: with a new missile, the DBK will reduce the effectiveness of the Japanese fleet


The Bastion anti-ship systems with P-800 Onyx missiles first came on alert on Matua Island in the middle group of the Great ridge of the Kuril Islands. According to a press release from the Eastern Military District, now the missilemen will keep the adjacent water area and strait zones under constant control.


It is noted that for a comfortable stay of the calculations on the island, an autonomous military town was built, allowing the military to serve all year round.


This news, which in itself is important, becomes even more interesting in the context of data on the development of the modified P-800 Onyx missile. Back in 2017, the media, citing sources in the military-industrial complex, reported work on increasing the maximum flight range of a supersonic missile.

In 2019, the TASS agency announced the preparation of tests of the Onyx-M with a range of 800 km. According to other data, the modified P-800 missile will be able to hit targets at a distance of 1000 km. This means that the Russian DBK "Bastion" easily reaches the Japanese island of Hokkaido.


Moreover, such a firing range of the complex allows you to keep at gunpoint the La Perouse Strait, separating Sakhalin and Hokkaido islands. This strait is a very convenient opportunity for the Japanese fleet to quickly enter the Pacific Ocean.

The modified "Onyx-M" in the Kuril Islands thus becomes a serious problem for Tokyo, sharply limiting the mobility and effectiveness of Japanese naval ships in the region.
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  1. sgrabik Offline sgrabik
    sgrabik (Sergei) 2 December 2021 12: 03
    +3
    Yes, and hypersonic anti-ship missiles "Zircon" would not hurt to be placed in the Kuril Islands, this is today the most weighty argument for deterring too "hot heads" from hasty, ill-considered actions.
    1. Tektor Offline Tektor
      Tektor (Tektor) 2 December 2021 14: 15
      0
      Where the Onyxes enter, the Zircons also enter. But Hookahs will fit only into the "Redut"
  2. Bitter Offline Bitter
    Bitter 2 December 2021 14: 38
    +2
    Looking at the map, something suggests that these launchers were brought to the islands not only about the Japanese soul. wink
    1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 2 December 2021 23: 40
      -1
      Target capture occurs at ranges of about 50-70 km (at least targets of the "destroyer" type, according to open sources, the missile captures at a range of about 75 km.
      Here, after capturing the target, the RCC begins to decline to heights of 10-15 meters. The GOS shuts down and the rocket “dives” under the lower boundary of the target’s air defense zone and flies under the control of an inertial system at altitudes of 10-15 meters. After reaching the line of the radio horizon of the initially detected target, the GOS is switched back on. The airborne complex corrects the accumulated error and "brings" the product to the target.
      There is no such power on the Onyx radar of the GSN that could detect and capture a target at such ranges. For reference. The range of target detection by the radar of the American AWACS E-2 is about 600 km.
      On a low-altitude trajectory, the initial launch direction is set by the radar of the complex (up to 40 nautical miles), well, and target acquisition is after entering the radio horizon line. The 800 km range is not realized due to the inability to guarantee the processing of target movement elements. And for calculations they never take limit. the range of the ammunition. Take 75% of the maximum range.
      SKTs Liana is not capable of fighting. Since 2009, one Liana-S (14F138) with an incomplete set of standard equipment has been hanging, which at first generally worked through a stump-deck, and one Liana (14F145) since December 2014. There are plans to launch at least 3- x, although it is not known when.
      Pion NKS (14F139) was launched only this year. When the second - nobody knows. So there is still a long way to go to a workable constellation of 36 satellites. By the time the second "Peony" is launched, "Lotus-S" will have to be changed
      1. 123 Offline 123
        123 (123) 3 December 2021 00: 22
        +1
        SKTs Liana is not capable of fighting. Since 2009, one Liana-S (14F138) with an incomplete set of standard equipment has been hanging, which at first generally worked through a stump-deck, and one Liana (14F145) since December 2014. There are plans to launch at least 3- x, although it is not known when.

        The impression is that you are re-reading old newspapers in a cache. This article is six months old. And according to your "intelligence information" satellites are only going to launch. Since 2014, have censorship banned you from reading Russian news?

        But the first prototype of the new 14F138 "Lotos-S" passive electronic reconnaissance satellite was launched into orbit only in 2009. Not all of the equipment in it functioned smoothly from the very beginning. In 2014-2018, the orbital constellation was supplemented by three modernized Lotos-C1", Which received a new index 14F145.

        https://iz.ru/1133265/anton-lavrov/dotianulas-do-kosmosa-zavershaetsia-sozdanie-sistemy-razvedki-liana
        1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
          gunnerminer (gunner miner) 3 December 2021 00: 38
          -4
          The impression is that you are re-reading old newspapers in a cache. This article is six months old. And according to your "intelligence information" satellites are only going to launch. Since 2014, have censorship banned you from reading Russian news?

          For the effective work of SKTs Liana, a total of 36 Peonies and Lotuses is required.

          https://iz.ru/1133265/anton-lavrov/dotianulas-do-kosmosa-zavershaetsia-sozdanie-sistemy-razvedki-liana

          Izvestia is written in the article you mentioned. "But the system's functions can be fully realized only after replenishing it with active Pion-NKS devices." regular satellites for even a couple of years VKS cannot. Not according to Senka a hat. Carefully read the sources you cite. Especially Izvestia, more fans to broadcast from the distant future. As if Mr. Anton Lavrov became the grandson of Gorbachev.
          1. 123 Offline 123
            123 (123) 3 December 2021 01: 15
            +1
            For the effective work of SKTs Liana, a total of 36 Peonies and Lotuses is required.

            Your discussion is weird. You give me the link that I gave you half an hour ago. Is this such politeness? The oddities don't end there. Have you read the article on the link? The fact is that I did not find confirmation of your words in it. Can you quote from the article?

            Izvestia is written in the article you mentioned. “But the functions of the system can be fully realized only after replenishing it with active devices“ Pion-NKS. ”“ Before replenishing with Peonies like on a donkey to the moon. We launched one satellite, but many times more is required.

            That is how yes You yourself wrote that 1 satellite was launched, therefore the system is operational. This is two times more. This is the minimum amount. So I will not comment on "to the moon" because your speed, endurance and ability to work in zero gravity are not known to me request

            The first ones launched in a year will fail. The Aerospace Forces cannot launch all standard satellites for even a couple of years.

            Do you have information from the Department of Defense? Or does a source in the military-industrial complex share information?

            Not according to Senka's hat. Carefully read the sources cited by you. Especially Izvestia, more fans of broadcasting from the distant future. As if Mr. Anton Lavrov became the grandson of Gorbachev.

            Is the article for March a distant future for you? belay By the way, it describes the events that have taken place over the past 6 years. Does this seem like a forecast for the future?
            I don’t know that Lavrov became a grandson, but my confidence in your blood relationship with Polygraph Poligrafovich is growing stronger day by day.
            1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
              gunnerminer (gunner miner) 3 December 2021 01: 36
              -3
              Your discussion is weird. You give me the link that I gave you half an hour ago. Is this such politeness? The oddities don't end there. Have you read the article on the link? The fact is that I did not find confirmation of your words in it. Can you quote from the article?

              You gave the link without carefully reading the text of Anton Lavrov.
              SKTs is combat-ready with 36 satellites in orbit, and there are now 5 of them. In about a year, the first will be out of order.

              Do you have information from the Department of Defense? Or does a source in the military-industrial complex share information?

              Read carefully the media reports. Do not neglect communication with the military-industrial complex and the military personnel of the Aerospace Forces. They will inform you in more detail about the problems of the SKTs. I smooth the corners in my comments.
              1. 123 Offline 123
                123 (123) 3 December 2021 02: 00
                +1
                You gave the link without carefully reading the text of Anton Lavrov.
                SKTs is combat-ready with 36 satellites in orbit, and there are now 5 of them. In about a year, the first will be out of order.

                It's hard with you sad I repeat the question. yes

                The fact is that I did not find confirmation of your words in it. Can you quote from the article?

                Read media reports carefully.

                The advice of a person who just reported 6 years old outdated information is infinitely important to me good

                Do not neglect communication with the military-industrial complex and military personnel of the Aerospace Forces. They will inform you in more detail about SKZ's problems.

                Are you seriously? "Military-industrial complex employees and military personnel of the Aerospace Forces" reporting information of this nature risk changing their occupation in the coming years. Something fun, like logging yes

                Smoothing corners in my comments.

                Don't spit into the country and you won't have to smooth anything out. yes
                1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                  gunnerminer (gunner miner) 3 December 2021 02: 26
                  -2
                  Are you seriously? "Military-industrial complex employees and military personnel of the Aerospace Forces" reporting information of this nature risk changing their occupation in the coming years. Something fun, like logging

                  These are well-known facts, discussed many times on forums and on TV.
                  1. 123 Offline 123
                    123 (123) 3 December 2021 02: 29
                    +1
                    These are well-known facts, discussed many times on forums and on TV.

                    The degree of reliability of such information is not great. If someone writes something on the forum, this does not mean at all that in reality everything is so. For example, see what you write. You just stated that there are no satellites. Well, they said a lot more yes
                    1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 3 December 2021 11: 22
                      -3
                      Those who are in the subject understand the degree of reliability of the information presented. There are satellites. But their number and service life are scanty for the use of the SCC for its intended purpose.
                      DBK "Bastion was posted about the doctrine" Go hunting, feed the dogs. "
                      1. 123 Offline 123
                        123 (123) 3 December 2021 18: 31
                        +4
                        Those who are in the subject understand the degree of reliability of the information presented. There are satellites. But their number and service life are scanty for the use of the SCC for its intended purpose.
                        DBK "Bastion was posted about the doctrine" Go hunting, feed the dogs. "

                        That satellites were not, then there were few of them, now they are, but the service life is scanty. If it turns out that there is something wrong with the timing, then the appearance will not suit you or something else?
                        Satellites are available, the system is operational. You just have to whine. I am quoting the article from the link again.

                        Both types of Liana spacecraft are put into a circular orbit at an altitude of 800–900 km above the Earth. There, their service life is limited only by fuel reserves and the reliability of on-board electronics and should be at least seven years.

                        What will you grieve about now? Is it not beautifully painted or the name is not pleasant?

                        DBK "Bastion was posted about the doctrine" Go hunting, feed the dogs. "

                        Everything is bad with the Bastions because no one will guess to provide air defense? There is nothing to say about electronic warfare, because the Ministry of Defense did not think of digging up bunkers for ammunition depots for them? Well, naturally, scuba divers don't agree to live on the island without dug up shelters?
                        I'm already wondering what kind of forum you have there. Are you all like that? Are you sitting whining, whining and spitting bile? Yes, choke on her already.
                      2. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                        gunnerminer (gunner miner) 3 December 2021 18: 58
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                        Quote: 123
                        Satellites are available, the system is operational.

                        For simpletons. Real life maximum five years.

                        Everything is bad with the Bastions because no one will guess to provide air defense?

                        The General Staff is aware of logistical problems. Especially at KTOF. The DBK will not be delivered to the island on the carpet. The OVS and GA have practically disappeared. Then they were able to deliver the DBK with one set of ammunition, and without means of supporting the main activity. Without Torov, without Bukov, without Pantsirey.C300V4 from Iturup will help the calculations of the DBK on Matua to withstand only
                        psychologically.
                        His radar station would not even be seen by Japanese aircraft over Matua. And the missiles, if they do, are at the very edge of their capabilities. At a range close to the maximum, the complex can hit exclusively high-altitude targets! But without target designation from the A-50U, they will not even know that it is necessary to fly there. 35cm will be able to fly there for a couple of minutes, and even without refueling.
                        There are only two fighter regiments in the Far East. The manning of the flight personnel is good if it is 75%. The personnel of the DBK will endure the hardships and hardships in tents and dugouts for a long time. Suffering from colds, eating from a fire.
                      3. 123 Offline 123
                        123 (123) 3 December 2021 21: 46
                        +2
                        For simpletons. Real life maximum five years.

                        winked

                        There, their service life is limited only by fuel reserves and the reliability of on-board electronics and should be at least seven years.

                        The General Staff is aware of logistical issues.

                        Serious statement. Claiming the title of Captain Evidence 2021? The General Staff is aware of many things, why shouldn't it be aware of the problems in logistics? Who doesn't have them?

                        Potmu and were able to deliver the DBK with one set of ammunition, and without the means of supporting the main activity, without Torov, without Buk, without Armor.

                        What is the essence of the claims? Didn't they bring the cavalry with the divers with them? People went to the front and immediately gathered to join the battle? Delivery should be complex and nothing else? This is how you decided at the Forum?

                        I can give your colleagues a topic for discussion yes 2020 year ....

                        The Russian military has deployed an S-300V4 air defense system on the Kuril Islands, the Eastern Military District (VVO) reported on Tuesday.

                        In April 2019, the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation announced the introduction of an air defense alert zone on the Kuril island of Kunashir. In August 2018, it was reported that modern multipurpose Su-35 fighters were deployed at the Yasny airport on Iturup Island.

                        The newspaper of the Pacific Fleet "Boevaya Vakhta" reported in the fall of 2016 that Russia had deployed new coastal missile systems "Bal" and "Bastion" on Iturup and Kunashir.

                        Horrible belay Air defense was delivered in 2020, Fighters in 2018, and missile systems in 2016. Straight joyful joy. Rookery of forum woodpeckers indignant? so is it impossible?
                        Then I don't see any sense in discussing your Svidomo, it flows in an endless stream jumping from topic to topic.
                        It all started with your dissatisfaction with the satellite guidance system and the lies about the lack of satellites. Gradually we got to the lie about the servicemen bending over and coughing in tents and eating by the fire.
                        Goodbye.
                      4. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                        gunnerminer (gunner miner) 3 December 2021 22: 26
                        -3
                        Who does not have them?

                        The Japanese Navy does not; NATO does not.

                        Delivery should be complex and nothing else? This is how you decided at the Forum?

                        This was shown by the events in Libya, in the former SAR, in Karabakh. Back in 1939, the Wehrmacht showed that the war is a modern complex. The air defense in the Kuril Islands is so-so. The authorities rub in points. And there are only two iaps. They will not be able to deploy until the two divisions. There is nowhere to take the crews. Trained reserve. There are no pilots and technicians in the Russian Air Force; they are not trained in DOSAAF.
                      5. 123 Offline 123
                        123 (123) 4 December 2021 00: 12
                        +1
                        The Japanese Navy does not; NATO does not.

                        You're lying again yes The military has had, and will continue to have, logistics problems.
                        I don't see any sense in discussing your lies further. request This is nothing but Svidomo-servile praise of the owners and the outpouring of bile and hatred on everything connected with Russia.
                        Heroam sala! good With dung lol
                        What does NATO actually think about this ...
                        It's about past problems.

                        Balkan experience
                        The deployment of NATO's Implementation Force (IFOR) to Bosnia and Herzegovina in December 1995 exposed shortcomings in the logistics of the Alliance's peacekeeping operations. The logistics were very large, with redundant and inefficient national logistics structures. The IFOR experience has led to major changes in PfP and NATO logistics policies and procedures and highlighted the need for greater multinationality in logistics.
                        Afghan experience
                        Following the September 11, 2001 attacks on the United States, NATO could no longer afford the logistics it did in the Balkans. NATO began to face some of these restrictions with ISAF in a landlocked Afghanistan far from Europe.
                        The length of communications within the country is hampered by rugged terrain, unpaved roads and security threats. Therefore, the forces relied heavily on airlift for movement, reinforcements and supplies. Most of its airlift needs were met by the United States or Russian aircraft leased by the Supreme Headquarters of the Allied Powers in Europe (SHAPE) through the NATO Maintenance and Supply Agency (NAMSA) in Luxembourg.

                        It's about the future ...

                        NATO Logistics Vision & Objectives 2015-2024
                        NATO Logistics V&O is a formatted work program to assist NATO and countries to close logistics capacity gaps... Following the Russia-Ukraine conflict in 2014, the Preparedness Action Plan (RAP) was agreed upon by Heads of State and Government at the Wales Summit in 2014 in response to the challenges posed by Russia and their strategic implications. The plan also responds to risks and threats from the Middle East and North Africa. Through the RAP, 28 Alliance leaders agreed to reverse and increase defense budget cuts over the next decade.

                        https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/topics_61741.htm

                        For a snack, I recommend an interesting article good At the rookery of Svidomo river seals, the members of the forum will not show you such No.

                        In one of the most important reports I've read in a long time, Defense News's David Larter lays out an incredibly inconvenient reality for the military shipping command and its fleet of cargo ships and the marines that operate them - in the next big conflict they are. likely to be left on their own without any protection from the ships of the US Navy. This is a particularly troubling proposition given that roughly 90 percent of Army and Marine materiel will be sent for transport on the high seas during such a crisis ....

                        https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/24155/vital-logistics-ships-will-be-without-critical-u-s-navy-escorts-in-a-major-conflict
                      6. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                        gunnerminer (gunner miner) 4 December 2021 10: 39
                        -2
                        I missed the NGSH of the Russian Armed Forces of the Kuril Islands. And the air defense cannot be organized, and there is a problem with logistics. The auxiliary fleet of the Russian Navy has been liquidated. And the merchant fleet is not even enough to ensure the northern delivery. As soon as the price of coal in the PRC rose sharply, a mine immediately exploded, the berths of Vladivostok were filled with coal and round logs for the PRC. Material support for the Russian military, the creation of acceptable conditions for a long-standing screaming pain in Russia since the time of Tsar Gorokh. What happened on Matua, medical assistance only from a helicopter. If the weather permits. And the medical officer of the conscript has only brilliant green in his bag with cotton wool, and with bandages.

                        For a snack, I recommend an interesting article

                        Chubais in the heads of the General Staff, and we will become invincible.
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  3. SERVER Offline SERVER
    SERVER (Sergei ) 27 December 2021 10: 32
    +1
    Sorry to get into your discussion, but your writing style is very similar to a typical manual for Internet trolls. In particular: "Do not neglect communication with the military-industrial complex and with the military personnel of the Aerospace Forces. They will inform you in more detail about the problems of the SKTs." In much the same way, only on another forum, one interesting "expert" in the field of Russian armaments answered. There was a dispute over the MiG-31BM and he argued that it was old stuff and could not fly and that he had a turd on the radar, on the F-35, yes ... a supercar. And when he was asked where he got the information, he replied, they say you do not have enough communication with combat pilots, defense workers and military receptionists, they say he is in close contact with them. Strong move, isn't it?))
  • shadow Offline shadow
    shadow 2 December 2021 21: 06
    0
    In one article, a long time ago, I read that the number after the "P" is the range of the rocket. Therefore, I would not be surprised if a modified version of the P-800 can reach a range of 1000 km.
    What is then left for Japan to do?
    1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 2 December 2021 23: 32
      -3
      The Onyx rocket is so afraid that as soon as the US Department of Defense and the Chairman of the Committee of Chiefs of Staff remember it, they immediately run to write a resignation report. minimum height. laughing At the same time, the calculations of the BRAV perform annual combat exercises according to the Combat training course at a distance not exceeding 40 nautical miles. Due to the lack of target designation in the helicopter and aircraft complexes. Attempts at the KChF to involve the patrolmen of the project 22160 in external target designation and detection of the radar ended in failure.
    2. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 3 December 2021 11: 24
      -4
      They can write 1000 km, and 2000 km. There is little sense, the complete absence of reconnaissance and external target designation will not allow the implementation of the performance characteristics of the missile, as well as the lack of skills in the calculations of the DBK for firing at ranges exceeding 40 nautical miles.
  • in! On my advice, Shoigu dragged the missiles, and we don't need a Chinese A-carrier! And so we will all drown!
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 4 December 2021 10: 02
      0
      On your advice? laughing