Chinese aircraft carrier Liaoning may return to Russia

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Curious news came from the Middle Kingdom. According to the British edition for English-speaking readers Beijing Today, official Beijing is considering options for the further fate of its first aircraft carrier, called Liaoning, among them: the sale of an aircraft carrier to India or Russia. What is this, journalistic fiction, or can there be quite a healthy grain behind such exotic ideas?

First, I must say a few words about Liaoning itself. This is a former Soviet heavy aircraft-carrying missile cruiser of Project 1143.5, a colleague of our "Admiral Kuznetsov". Initially, the ship was called "Riga", then it was renamed "Varyag". After the collapse of the USSR, the unfinished TAVRK went to Ukraine during the division of the Black Sea Fleet, as a result of which it almost rotted away. In 1998, the cruiser was acquired by a Chinese company for only $ 20 million, that is, at the price of scrap metal, ostensibly to create a floating casino on its basis. After long ordeals, the corps was taken to the PRC, where, instead of an entertainment gambling establishment, it was turned into a real aircraft carrier, the first in the PLA Navy.



The fact that the Liaoning is not competitive with the American Nimitz-class aircraft carriers and needs to be replaced was said in the Chinese press several years ago. And now the British media based in Beijing writes about the same. Let's think about why India and Russia were named as potential buyers.

Selling Liaoning to India?


To be honest, this idea sounds very, very strange. The fact is that India and China are objectively the main rivals in the Southeast Asia region. The United States views New Delhi as a counterbalance to Beijing's growing military power. It would seem, why does the "great continental power" India need aircraft carriers? And then they are needed to restrain the PLA Navy, which is planning to acquire either four or six aircraft carriers by 2030. By 2025, the Chinese are going to build their first nuclear-powered aircraft carrier, which will be used in remote theaters.

For this reason, New Delhi collects its aircraft carrier fleet from the pine forest: the British bought the old amphibious helicopter carrier HMS Hermes, later renamed Viraat, from Russia - the TAVRK Admiral Gorshkov, which turned into Vikramaditya. By the way, the latter is by no means something that we should all be proud of - it is dashing to sell abroad aircraft-carrying ships, which we are not yet able to build ourselves. According to the modernized project "Vikramaditya" ("Admiral Gorshkov"), the Indians have built and are currently testing a brand new "Vikrant". The possibility of building a real giant with a displacement of 65 thousand tons called "Vishal" is being considered.

So the question is, why should China sell its Liaoning to India? It is as if the United States sold a couple of aged, but fit "Nimitzs" to strengthen the Russian Navy. For this reason, the Beijing Today information looks rather strange. Unless, of course, this stuffing was done deliberately in order to divert attention from the true goals of Beijing.

Selling Liaoning to Russia?


The return of "Varyag" to "home harbor" against this background looks like a much more adequate assumption. It would seem, why would the Chinese, who are actively building their aircraft carrier fleet, themselves get rid of the first aircraft carrier? In fact, there are quite rational reasons for this.

On the one hand, Liaoning has already done its job. He acted as a training ship, on which the Chinese carrier-based aviation was trained, maneuvers were practiced in practice as part of the AUG. There is no doubt that the former Soviet TAVRK became a model for building from scratch the first truly Chinese aircraft carrier, Shandong, based on a modernized design with much improved characteristics. The new aircraft carriers of the PLA Navy will also have a Soviet "gene" in them. The $ 20 million that Beijing gave for the Varyag to Ukraine is probably the best investment of the PRC.

On the other hand, "Liaoning" is objectively not comparable in capabilities with "Nimitz". The Chinese press complained that over 1200 technical works and improvements were carried out on the former cruiser, but it never caught up with the American aircraft carriers. There is nothing particularly surprising here, since under the USSR TAVRKs were built to perform other tasks and carried, in addition to the air group, powerful missile weapons. How effective will the former Varyag, converted into a clean aircraft carrier, with its 26 fighters and 6 helicopters, in a real battle against the US Navy AUG? It must be assumed that Beijing is quite soberly assessing the prospects for such a collision, therefore they are betting on the construction of larger, more powerful nuclear-powered aircraft carriers equipped with catapults.

However, "Liaoning" may well do good service to Russia. A while ago we told about the appalling imbalance between the forces of the Pacific Fleet of the Russian Federation and the Naval Self-Defense Forces of Japan. Tokyo, deprived of the opportunity to peacefully return the "northern territories", clearly brings the matter to a non-peaceful one. The forces available to the CTOF today are not enough to stop the Japanese, or, even more so, to recapture the captured Kuril Islands. As one of the measures to curb aggressive intentions, we called the dispatch to the Pacific Ocean "Admiral Kuznetsov", as well as after launching - UDC "Ivan Rogov". The air wing of the Russian TAVRK could neutralize the total domination of Japanese carrier-based aircraft from two light aircraft carriers of the Izumo class, and helicopters would enhance the capabilities of anti-submarine warfare.

Alas, "Admiral Kuznetsov" is under repair, which will take more than one year. UDC has just begun to be built in Kerch. Japan has problems here and now. If Tokyo dares to resolve the issue with the "northern territories" by force, it will be the most difficult image defeat for Russia since the Russo-Japanese War. But a military defeat for Russia is also extremely disadvantageous for China, since it means the strengthening of the long-standing irreconcilable enemy, Japan, and the beginning of a review of the results of World War II in the region.

In this historical context, the sale of "Liaoning" to Russia with its transfer to the Pacific Fleet of the Russian Federation looks like a completely rational step. Perhaps the Chinese comrades do not trust the speed of construction of the UDC and the modernization of Admiral Kuznetsov, and therefore are ready to strengthen our KTOF by transferring a light aircraft carrier to it. Yes, the latter is uncompetitive against the Nimitz, but against the Japanese Izumo with their F-35Bs, which have limited performance characteristics, it may well give battle. The main function of "Liaoning" in the event of a sale will be to contain the Japanese carrier-based and anti-submarine aircraft in the Pacific Ocean.

To buy back the former Varyag or not, if the Chinese are really ready to sell it to us? Of course yes. We ourselves will build a similar ship for 10-15 years, but we will certainly have to build them, believe me. The problem may be the lack of the KTOF of the appropriate infrastructure for the basing of aircraft-carrying ships. It will still be needed for the Ivan Rogov UDC, which has been promised to the Pacific people, so you need to start building right now. Negotiate a price, buy out and transfer Liaoning to the Pacific Ocean as soon as the infrastructure is ready.
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  1. +1
    1 December 2021 11: 33
    it would be cool to park it in Vladivostok
    1. -9
      1 December 2021 12: 43
      You can moor, there is no way to contain, and to operate for its intended purpose.
      1. +4
        1 December 2021 12: 55
        I get it, patient warrior with mode, keep watching
        1. -9
          1 December 2021 14: 35
          With the current state of the shipyard in the Far East, the newly acquired TAVKR will soon stand side by side with Lazarev.
          1. +5
            1 December 2021 15: 03
            For cutting. The economy of the Far East does not allow the maintenance of ships of the first rank.

            Cool. Does the Far East have a separate economy? laughing
            You really go overboard
            1. -6
              1 December 2021 16: 11
              Yes. Separate. Everything needs to be delivered there. Especially cool specialists. I suppose you have never been there. Despite the fact that the Far East occupies almost 40% of Russian territory, it actually remains in the suburbs and lives a separate life, rarely attracting the attention of the federal In fact, he lives his own independent life in a different time zone, and relies primarily on his own strength. In addition, the Far East is much more focused on cooperation with China, Japan and Korea than with European states.
              One of the main problems is that although the Far East is indeed rich in minerals and various natural resources, it is extremely difficult to extract many of them. Moreover, this is mainly done by companies registered in Moscow, and shift workers from Russian cities work at the fields. It is on the extractive industry that the investments received by the Far East are mainly spent. As a result, despite the formally high macroeconomic indicators, in reality people in the region are very poor. Local budgets receive almost no money, infrastructure is not developing, and the Far East, despite all its wealth, is a subsidized region.
              In a subsidized region, what success can there be in shipbuilding or aircraft construction!
              1. +3
                2 December 2021 11: 03
                Of course, no success! The only aircraft plant that today builds fighters from the Su-30 to the Su-57 and all other aviation mathematics, from prototypes of the S-70 or Su-75 type to the SuperJets, which were already built well over 200, of course, not in the Far East. not in Komsomolsk-on-Amur;)) Vostochny cosmodrome, with all the problems of its construction - too! The giant Amur gas processing plant, the huge Zvezda shipyard - it’s not clear where, in Durkain, mabut;)) Well, about the Amur shipyard, what the nuclear submarine is even doing - I’m silent ...
                1. 0
                  2 December 2021 11: 33
                  yes, in the opinion of this character - this is all a backward economy. There's trouble here with the little head
                2. 0
                  2 December 2021 23: 50
                  The Su-57 is not mass-produced. That is why there was talk of attempts to restore the combat readiness of the MiG-31. But the old Zalonovsky radar is not planned to be changed. In addition, no one knows where to look for crews for this aircraft. The Vostochny is famous not for missile launches, but for many increasing criminal Shipyard Zvezda is busy with commercial orders, and has nothing to do with USC business.
                  1. 0
                    3 December 2021 01: 26
                    Yah? 10 pre-production cars, and 1 serial - is this not being produced ?! Yes, while waiting for the engine of the 30 model and ROFAR, which, I hope, will be ready by 2025-26, after which active production will begin. But this will already be an aircraft of the 5 ++ generation! In the meantime, there are already 11 cars, of which 7 are actually already in combat readiness, with minor flaws, well, for the F-35, they have also been correcting small ones for many years.

                    MIG-31 is a car of a completely different class, and for a completely different one. Now it is not only an interceptor, but also a carrier for strike weapons. In fact, a semi-strategist. And above all against naval targets, satellite constellation, pinpoint and precise strikes.
                    1. -1
                      3 December 2021 01: 45
                      Yah? 10 pre-production cars,

                      This is a piece production for GLITS. For tests, static and dynamic The first four aircraft are no longer there.

                      ROFAR, which I hope will be ready by 2025-26,

                      They cannot make a serial radar with AFAR ("thanks" to NII Phazotron and Vega), but ROFA can. Cool fable.

                      But this will already be an aircraft of the 5 ++ generation!

                      There are no serial fifth-generation aircraft in the Russian Air Force, and not a single regiment is equipped with them.

                      In fact, a semi-strategist. And above all against naval targets, satellite constellation, pinpoint and precise strikes.

                      Another fable designed for simpletons. The Dagger complex is useless against mobile targets. The carrier of the Dagger MiG-31K complex does not have a radar, a refueling system (pump, pipelines), guides, an electronic warfare system. In order to take off safely. Its crew needs a reconnaissance aircraft. , a guidance plane, fighters, a tanker - a refueling tanker. It is not accepted for service. There are three complexes in experimental combat duty. Imperfect, psychological weapon.
            2. +1
              2 December 2021 10: 22
              He was apparently banned from bmpd.
              He is a celebrity from Ukraine.
    2. +1
      1 December 2021 20: 13
      Crazy idea ... What is shopping, what is accommodation in Vladivostok. An aircraft carrier for the protection of the Kuriles is not needed from the word at all. Place several anti-ship missile and air defense batteries there and create / restore a couple of airfields, and yet they are there and were. An order of magnitude cheaper and two orders of magnitude more efficient than a floating air trough.
      1. -1
        2 December 2021 08: 19
        You also live in the world of pink elephants hi
        1. 0
          2 December 2021 10: 25
          Quote: Marzhetsky
          You also live in the world of pink elephants hi

          1. And you look at the distance from our coast to the Kuriles.
          2. I am not against the aircraft carrier, but the statement that the MiG-29K "levels" the F-35 requires verification ... wink
        2. +4
          2 December 2021 10: 40
          No, I'm just a naval officer in the past. I don't understand crazy ideas about aircraft carriers at all ... The United States has no other opportunities for their points of interest. We have far fewer points, and much more other opportunities - for solving the most pressing problems for us - they are practically useless. In Syria, large UDCs are much more effective, and they are being built. But you can do fine without them, of course. The aircraft carrier cannot enter the Black Sea according to the Montreux doctrine. Namely here Rodent and Durkain;)) TAVKR of Kuzi type is built on Black, i.e. he was able to get out, but even with him there were problems, he could not go back. Are the Kurils left? And why the hell is this tub there? The efficiency of naval aviation in terms of aircraft is at least 2 times less than that of a conventional runway. In reality, on a Kuzi-type pelvis - 3-5 times, with a departure price 10-15 times higher! Much cheaper, taking into account the risk of losing your car, go to the CD! What Americans are actually active and conducting!

          Again, an aircraft carrier - it does not fall from the sky, the costs of its maintenance are enormous, and their effectiveness is scanty ...
          1. 0
            2 December 2021 18: 57
            Shark looks quite logical. Aircraft carriers, by definition, are needed where there is no way to deploy ground-based aircraft. This is their essence and raison d'être - to bring aviation to the theater of operations. But in reality, if we can deploy ground aircraft not far from Japan, moreover, much more protected by air defense / missile defense systems, and also unsinkable, then why is an aircraft carrier, or even a TAVKR, needed there? Probably, there is only one option - for regions far from our borders .. Same as Africa. When the UDC will be put into operation, and this one will be already now.
            1. +1
              3 December 2021 01: 05
              To resolve issues in Africa, we perfectly manage without aircraft carriers. And for example, France has an atomic DeGolle - he helped a lot ?! Yes, the United States makes extensive use of aircraft carriers, but this is more a legacy of the past, such as force of habit, but how has this helped them in Iran? Or Iraq? Where, even in the days of Saddam, 90% of the strike operations were carried out by conventional aircraft taking off from ground runways. Yes, it was deck operations that were steaming on TV, but in fact - the usual one worked ...

              And no one offers Liaoning either for nothing or now ... And when it finally goes into circulation, the research institute where I worked laid 900 km of cables in Riga / Varyag already in 1990, i.e. this ship is already over 30 ... a serious age, given that his life has not spoiled him for a long time ...
              1. -3
                4 December 2021 16: 27
                and the research institute where I worked,

                The night watchman. Judging by the comments. laughing
            2. -3
              4 December 2021 16: 26
              When the UDC will be put into operation, and this one will be already now.

              In a favorable economic situation, in 15 years, they did not even decide on the main engine.
          2. -2
            2 December 2021 23: 53
            The aircraft carrier cannot enter the Black Sea according to the Montreux doctrine.

            The crew of an aircraft carrier does not need to enter the Black Sea to complete the main task. The Russian Navy General Committee is not able to carry out strikes in the northern part of the Aegean Sea, in the Persian Gulf, in the Ayia Napa Gulf near Cyprus.
            1. +1
              3 December 2021 01: 14
              Nonsense once again ... About Ayia Napa, it’s all nonsense ... there’s just a resort. Next to her is Cape Greek, where the British Navy's communications systems naval base is. I was there. The place is beautiful, if necessary, this naval base can be destroyed with 3-4 calibers from anywhere ... just ... Why !? And what is the Russian fleet to do in the Persian Gulf? If a point of interest appears there, then the anti-ship missile from this point and a pair of quiet diesel engines of the 636 type of the project will completely cover any projection of power.
              1. -3
                3 December 2021 01: 31
                In the early 60s, the area of ​​Ayia Napa Bay was defined by the command of the US Navy as a patrol area for submarines of Regulus missile carriers. From this area, Regulus missiles flew to the capital of the USSR. You position yourself as a naval officer, and at the school to give lectures on naval history, in the 4th year they were supposed to study these events. The British naval base in Cyprus Akrotiri (used by the United States), and the larger Dhekelia, near Larnaca. On many hills, the RTR posts of Great Britain. Caliber is a complex. A missiles 3M-14 and 3M-54. It was possible to hit the sheds on the Syrian bridgehead. In greenhouse polygon conditions. The British Navy conducts air defense exercises every Thursday, with a stem on maneuvering targets. On tests of the air defense systems of the great martyrs of Project 22350 frigates, obsolete targets were used, following a constant course, with constant speed. at a constant altitude, 3-4 KR will not be enough to achieve the result, at least an order of magnitude more.

                The Russian Navy has lost the ability to maneuver in the Persian Gulf. For a long time. Even Iran did not begin to conduct joint exercises with the Russian Navy. The media were drumming about them. As a military officer, you must know what the outdated diesel engines of the 636.3 project are. With a number of serious shortcomings. Making them inadequate to the requirements of modern naval combat. Only at the most quiet speed, about 1.5 knots, the diesel engine will be quiet. At the minimum quiet speed, under the hydroelectric engine, it makes noise like an atomic rover. If it has an old battery on board, the crew will have to surface to recharge it daily. what kind of secrecy, given the current level of anti-aircraft missile defense of NATO or Japan, is out of the question.
                1. +1
                  3 December 2021 11: 05
                  Some kind of idiocy ... Are you sure of your sane mind and is all this serious? There are two British bases left in Cyprus, in fact, these are annexed territories. Dhekelia - just the one next to it, at the foot of Cape Grick - is the Navy's long-range radio base. Rather, in the 60s it was a full-fledged naval base, now it has shrunk, and the Cypriots regularly tried to evict these bases, but democracy is such a thing, if it appropriated it, it won’t give it back, it’s not Russia that gave Crimea for some reason, but Sevastopol is and during the Soviet era it was not transferred to DUrkaine! It was a city of allied subordination! This is already EBN handed over to the Ukrainians ... This I mean that Britain does not do this! ;)) As well as the USA with Guantanamo or Okinawa.
                  Well, distracted ... Just as a naval officer, I will say, do not write nonsense about 636 boats - although I did not serve on diesel engines, young people did practice on 641, but this boat (636) is extremely quiet, a boat for protecting the facility, it does not need to plow the ocean, it patrols at potential points of approach. It stays underwater for up to 15 days, a quiet speed of up to 5 knots, and a range of up to 300 miles. This is enough to close the approach of the KPUG or AUG to the point of attack. And the fact that yes, batteries, and not a fashionable VNEU, well, Russia does not matter, there are 949 or 971 projects for an attack in the ocean ...
                  1. -3
                    3 December 2021 11: 41
                    Dhekelia covers a huge area, and RN ships are periodically recruited to patrol its stretch of coastline.

                    It was a city of allied subordination!

                    With constant interruptions in drinking water, with huge housing problems for the Black Sea residents, with interruptions in food.

                    this boat (636) is extremely quiet, a boat for the protection of the object, it does not need to plow the ocean, it patrols at potential points of approach

                    An illiterate text. Unworthy even for a conscript. Varshavyanka has the same miserable air regeneration system as on diesel engines of the 30s. Chemical, using V-64, Ya-1, rubber gloves. substance N2H2. With a mass of design flaws, shameful for diesel people of the 21st century. Compared to Japanese and South Korean new buildings, a shed.
                    1. +2
                      4 December 2021 15: 48
                      Sodium peroxide is used in regenerative cartridges, including IDA-59M, the reaction with CO2 looks like this: 2Na2O2 + 2CO2 = 2Na2CO2 + OXNUMX. And what you, a bad khokhlochmo, wrote - hydrazine;)) Enough to grind nonsense already here!

                      1. -3
                        4 December 2021 15: 58
                        You confused the IDA-59, a device for individual use during the fight for damage, or as part of the SCT, for leaving the boat through the TA, with a regenerative substance. , IP-2005M, remote controls are individual devices, they have nothing to do with the air regeneration system in the compartments.
                      2. +1
                        4 December 2021 16: 00
                        I gave you an example, the regenerative composition is the same there! Well, how much can you blunt?
                        Is it really a bad crest? Also teach me to contact IDA -59m;))
                      3. -3
                        4 December 2021 16: 30
                        In B-64 N2H2. Every conscript who served on submarines knows this. Even at nuclear ones. Tanks with regeneration are included in the emergency stock. Do not remove your comments. Visitors who are in the subject will have fun.
                      4. -3
                        4 December 2021 16: 37
                        Type in Google "RDU with a set of regeneration plates V-64"

                        And stop making the submariners laugh. They have tears from laughter.
                      5. +1
                        5 December 2021 12: 11
                        Potassium plates have been gone for a long time, I did not even find them, in the 90s, well, so we distracted ourselves from HYDRAZIN, IS IT WHERE? ;)) REPEAT, THIS IS THE FORMULA: 2Na2O2 + 2CO2 = 2Na2CO2 + OXNUMX, sodium pyroxide and carbon dioxide are involved in it;)) Where is Hydra Zin ?! ;)))
                      6. -2
                        5 December 2021 12: 23
                        Potassium plates are gone for a long time

                        Plates V-64 are installed in RDU. Plates consist of sodium perhydrate. The chemical formula is N2H2. They are also in the emergency kit on nuclear-powered ships. In case of failure of the URVK. On nuclear-powered ships, the Kedr-M unit is involved in cleaning the air from carbon dioxide.
                        On MAPL project 705 UERV-K and absorbed carbon dioxide. Only worked for 3 compartments. The rest were equipped with RDU. There were no "cedars". The air was periodically stirred.
                      7. +2
                        5 December 2021 14: 00
                        Losers! N2O2 is HYDRAZINE! And I am telling you for the umpteenth time that they use not hydrazine, but SODIUM PYROXIDE Na2O2 !!! And now you are telling me that N2O2 is SODIUM PYROXIDE? ;))) Don't you have a head on your shoulders at all? You don't even know the difference between the chemical elements Nitrogen and Sodium? ;))) And you don't understand the notation what "N" is and how it differs from "Na";)))
                      8. -4
                        5 December 2021 16: 25
                        and SODIUM PYROXIDE Na2O2 !!! And now you are telling me that N2O2 is SODIUM PYROXIDE? ;)))

                        Why are you grimacing? Not sure of yourself? You have a bad memory. Check out my comments. Said N2H2.
    3. avg
      +2
      2 December 2021 11: 21
      All of Japan is located within a radius of 500-1000 km from the Tsentralnaya Uglovaya airbase. Combat radius of the Su-34 without PTB - 1130 km; Su-35S - 1500 km. Tu-223M - up to 1850. I do not take MiG-31K, Tu-142, Il-38, or strategists. Conclusion: even without refueling, all of Japan is shot through. So, if the Chinese are trying to hype, then let them do it at their own expense. And we will build what we need and when we need it.
    4. +1
      2 December 2021 19: 30
      do not, vaasche do not!
      1. 0
        5 December 2021 14: 09


        Quote: BoBot Robot - Free Thinking Machine
        do not, vaasche do not!
  2. +1
    1 December 2021 11: 38
    Nobody knows, but the rag of the British Embassy knows ...
    Yeah, wait ...
    1. +2
      1 December 2021 11: 40
      In fact, in the embassies they usually know more than the readers of the Russian media, this is their job.
  3. +3
    1 December 2021 12: 20
    NS! We will drown the A-carriers from the shore, and shoot down the C300 aircraft. So why do we need Chinese junk? Better to fit a couple of diesel boats to drown the landing - and - SILENCE ...
    1. 0
      1 December 2021 12: 29
      Fantastic level of profanity good
      1. +1
        1 December 2021 15: 31
        It is kaneshno, the Panamas of Marzhetsk and others like them foreign agents to spoil Russia - to the vein! But we are now scientists, and we see through and through such subchiks! Let them knock down in the states, there they belong!
        1. +1
          1 December 2021 15: 52
          And what exactly am I doing to Russia, can you be more specific? By the fact that I scatter pink elephants in someone's heads?
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    2. -7
      1 December 2021 12: 38
      USC was able to squeeze out only two Varshavyankas under the 2011-2020 program, and neither floating bases for them, nor PRTB.
      1. +1
        1 December 2021 15: 29
        NS! Everything will be - it will be victorious! We'll build it over the winter!
        1. -3
          1 December 2021 15: 39
          Good sarcasm. hi
      2. +2
        1 December 2021 18: 27
        USC was able to squeeze out only two Varshavyankas under the 2011-2020 program, and neither floating bases for them, nor PRTB.

        What are the 2? There are 6 of them at the Black Sea Fleet, and recently they were transferred to Pacific Fleet 2, why lie?
        1. -2
          1 December 2021 18: 42
          I'm discussing KTOF, not KCHF. Varshavianki for KCHF were built according to the 2005 program, which was also a failed one. Until 1991 they were built in nine months, and now for more than two years.
        2. -1
          1 December 2021 18: 59
          In! Here it is - a replacement for a-carriers! Well I say - EVERYTHING IS!
  4. -7
    1 December 2021 12: 36
    The return of "Varyag" to "home harbor" against this background looks like a much more adequate assumption.

    The state of ship repair in the Far East is deplorable. The day before yesterday, a detachment of mosquito fleet ships came to Vladivostok. Total shipbuilding program 2011-2020 for KTOF. Against their background, the acquisition of TAVKR will be a naval absurdity. And even without AWACS and U aircraft, without an electronic warfare aircraft, without an PLO aircraft .Plus personnel problems with the pilots and technicians of the air group. Not everyone wants such a new duty station.
    The PRC began the construction of the fleet from the coastal infrastructure, from the rise of shipbuilding and ship repair enterprises, and to follow the path of Almiral Gorshkov (after me even a deluge) once again walk through the rake of imbalance. fleet.

    The main function of "Liaoning" in the event of a sale will be to contain the Japanese carrier-based and anti-submarine aircraft in the Pacific Ocean.

    How can a tiny air group with the strike capability of a squadron hold back the Japanese Air Force and ASW aviation? Without having a basic reconnaissance aircraft, not even having the prospect of restoring strike naval aviation, without having ships with modern air defense.

    We ourselves will build a similar ship for 10-15 years, but we will certainly have to build them, believe me

    Where, by whom, when, by what, and by what means?

    But a military defeat for Russia is also extremely disadvantageous for China, since it means the strengthening of the long-standing irreconcilable enemy, Japan, and the beginning of a review of the results of World War II in the region.

    Provides a serious chance for the PRC to return territories that the CPC Central Committee considers lost.

    UDC has just begun to be built in Kerch.

    According to an unapproved project, without a specific type of power plant.
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    2. +2
      1 December 2021 15: 05
      UDC has just begun to be built in Kerch.

      According to an unapproved project, without a specific type of power plant.

      It's just ridiculous laughing
      1. -4
        1 December 2021 15: 46
        So it is. We have not decided on the main engine. From the forecast for a long, more than 10 years, construction. The customer, employees of the Zaliv enterprise, contractors know. Their mouths were not sewn up.
        1. +1
          1 December 2021 15: 48
          How do you imagine building without an engine?
          How exactly do you relate to the customer, the employees of the Gulf and contractors?
          1. -4
            1 December 2021 16: 00
            I can imagine very well. Great martyrs frigates of Project 22350 began to build, and not only them.

            Quote: Marzhetsky
            How exactly do you relate to the customer, the employees of the Gulf and contractors?

            I have due respect for their titanic efforts. In the mess in which they have to work.
            1. 0
              1 December 2021 16: 08
              I have due respect for their titanic efforts. In the mess in which they have to work.

              This is not what I asked. Where did you get this information?
              1. -2
                1 December 2021 16: 22
                Mainly from the materials of the military media, or state. I clarify some of the questions from the listed category of employees. A lot of material is given by regular careful viewing of the Vremya program on First TV. For example, they show the port of Vladivostok, the captain of a small feeder container ship gives an interview about the delivery of cargo to Chukotka. And in one minute a lot becomes clear, and why such a situation on a long series of questions.
                Or, here's a naval parade on the Neva. A report from the ship's main command post. The camera runs around everything, including the navigator's room. You can immediately see the absence of electronic maps, and there are many things that should be refrained from disclosing for now.
                1. 0
                  2 December 2021 08: 18
                  Let me ask you what you are doing in life, that someone from the staff shares such information with you? Why on earth?
                  1. +1
                    2 December 2021 10: 29
                    Go to bmpd and ask: who is Gunya?
                    They will tell you everything at once. bully
                  2. 0
                    2 December 2021 23: 56
                    I cite in the comments information available to anyone who shows at least a superficial interest in naval art. No one sewed their mouths to the military-industrial complex employees, USC officials, naval sailors.
    3. -1
      2 December 2021 09: 04
      Well, for the author's pan, there was a Schaub, but at least the grass does not grow there,
  5. -1
    1 December 2021 13: 19
    Well, if for $ 20 million, then you can buy ...
  6. +1
    1 December 2021 13: 27
    Now China is sorely lacking ships of this class, so it is better to have a not very successful ship than none at all. Nobody will sell it in the near foreseeable future.
    1. -1
      1 December 2021 14: 37
      The PLA navy will work out the interaction of its KPUG, AUG, OBK and DESO for another 20 years, and develop the base aviation for 30 years.
      1. 0
        3 December 2021 11: 12
        Here - now, even if China has enough aircraft carriers, it can be used as a training one. In case of emergency, return to the combat strength. The Chinese have enough money, they can afford an extra aircraft carrier.
        1. -1
          3 December 2021 11: 45
          For such a naval construction, not only money is needed. It needs personnel. It needs political will. You need modern equipment. Yesterday on Channel One, according to the Vremya program, an interview of the overdue President with the head of Rostekhnadzor and a trade union leader was shown. A circus with wooden horses. A medieval show of security. labor.Mining Kursk K-141.
          1. 0
            3 December 2021 11: 47
            Miner's work has always been considered difficult and dangerous, not only in Russia. And not everything depends on Putin - he is physically unable to keep track of everything.
            1. -1
              3 December 2021 11: 58
              Coal is also mined in China, in the USA, in Turkey, but there is no such lawlessness and theft. Putin himself formed and is forming a team of assistants, deputies, heads of departments. Yesterday they showed him themselves in all their glory. And this in a peaceful atmosphere.
              1. 0
                3 December 2021 12: 26
                You naively believe that nepotism and the placement of your people in "tasty" positions is a Russian tradition))) It flourishes everywhere. In the United States, there is even such a concept - "political reward", for participation in the election race, people receive "tasty" positions from the victorious president. Take a book of memoirs by Gross - Admiral Raeder: "The 1905 edition always held on to each other." In England, they are hired, including for the civil service under patronage, etc.
                1. -1
                  3 December 2021 12: 38
                  It thrives everywhere.

                  Undoubtedly everywhere. But depending on the scale. Medieval relations flourished on an unacceptable scale in Russia: nepotism, bribery and parochialism. Blatniks appointees, except for how to divide and squeeze, do not know how to do anything. And from time to time to shit in the hat of the higher authorities. Vit the economy of Great Britain and Russia.
                  1. 0
                    5 December 2021 13: 13
                    ha ha three times. Come to Banderlyand, admire)))) Russia will be like New Year to you)))
                    1. -2
                      5 December 2021 13: 17
                      Blat in the FRG, in NATO did not lead to a sharp decline in the combat readiness of the Armed Forces, to the slowdown of the military-industrial complex. Nobody flees from there to Russia with stolen billions. And in Banderland there is the same blatmeisterhood as in Russia, only in a more caricatured form.
                      1. +1
                        5 December 2021 17: 17
                        Blat in Germany has led to the fact that there is no longer the Bundeswehr, there is a mobile LGBT brothel))))
                      2. -3
                        5 December 2021 17: 32
                        I believe! NATO is a colossus with feet of clay; they have cardboard cannons and oil tanks.
                      3. 0
                        7 December 2021 19: 23
                        Cannons and tanks can be of any quality. The problem is that little people are shit))) if you have a bad memory, I remind you how cool, but fluidly done NATO scrambled from Afgan))) to Chihara so that the natives do not recognize))) any self-respecting officer puts a bullet into himself forehead.
                      4. -3
                        7 December 2021 20: 15
                        but the liquid NATO scrapped from Afgan))) into Chihara so that the natives would not recognize))) any self-respecting officer puts a bullet in his forehead.

                        The command of the OKSVA also scrambled in February 1989. Leaving 300 Soviet servicemen in captivity. The command of the UGV from Chechnya in 1996, after the signing of the Khasavyurt agreements.
                        The American Lieutenant General of the Airborne Forces climbed aboard last, rifle in hand, in full gear.

                        You will have time to shoot a bullet in your forehead.
                      5. 0
                        8 December 2021 13: 16
                        I will not talk about Chechnya - I was not there. And in Afghanistan, the last time was in January 1989, no one skidded, went out calmly. Yes, there were agreements, with some field commanders, to pass through their territory without problems. But this was not a request, but a warning. And they knew that if suddenly something, then we will embed it so that it will not seem a little. And in some places they punched in. My group provided two ensigns, who mined the military town, which was passed on to the spirits. Well the ensign was mined, they say, under 100 zhmurov formed.
                      6. -2
                        8 December 2021 15: 01
                        And in Afghanistan, the last time was in January 1989, no one skidded, they went out calmly

                        In those terms, indicated by the poor Pakistan and the Americans, to keep within, one could only skitter. A calm exit would take about 7-9 months. With the deployment of the withdrawn units in decent conditions.

                        And in some places they punched in.

                        At the same time, they received in response. We lost people. The Alliance command did not plan to strike.
                      7. 0
                        8 December 2021 13: 17
                        It’s pointless to talk about how mattress toppers can make beautiful photos and movies. I think that behind the general in full gear, there was still a company from the 75th regiment))))
                      8. -2
                        8 December 2021 15: 01
                        Nobody hindered you from doing the same reports and photos.
    2. +1
      1 December 2021 15: 06
      That is, the aircraft carriers are still needed by someone? (of course, to everyone except Russia)
      1. -2
        1 December 2021 15: 53
        They are needed by the USA, Great Britain, Italy, Spain, Australia, China, India and so on. Russia is in dire need of it. Even the tasks in the near sea zone cannot be solved without AUG. But the state of the economy of Russia and the Far East is such that the operation of an aircraft carrier is beyond its capacity. coastal and maritime infrastructure. Dry dock for aircraft carriers, and floating dock is needed. Equipped at the level of Korean or Japanese docks. There is no need for a shortage of workers, technicians, foremen, shipbuilding engineers and ship repairers. No one knows where to take or prepare them. Even such beacons of thought such as Chubais, Shoigu, Rogozin junior and senior, Fradkov Petr junior.
        1. 0
          1 December 2021 15: 54
          I am aware that Russian aircraft carriers are vital. And he wrote directly that they needed to build an infrastructure.
          1. -2
            1 December 2021 16: 06
            We still need to make a technical and technological revolution in the military
            ship repair. And a personnel revolution is required. About 25 years ago, only money was required. And now this need has been supplemented with personnel: money, personnel, equipment. For example, in 2005, the last turner of the 6th grade left the Severnaya Verf plant. The lines of the ships' shafts (surface) were ordered in Germany. Workers of high qualifications flee in the vicinity of the main Russian metropolis. There they are lured by watch, higher earnings.
            1. 0
              1 December 2021 16: 07
              There are a lot of problems. But they all belong to the category of solvable.
              There would be a desire.
              1. -2
                1 December 2021 16: 15
                The problems to be solved must be solved. 30 years is a long time. Japan and the Federal Republic of Germany were quite developed countries by 1975. The PRC had reached a good economic level by 2005. Since 1991, no one tormented Russia with perestroika, plenums, demonstrations and meetings. Full of oil and gas dollars, proceeds. for round logs. Nobody inflicts nuclear missile snowballs. Do not bomb foreign aircraft.
                1. -2
                  1 December 2021 16: 40
                  These claims are not for me. I have never voted for the current government.
                  1. -4
                    1 December 2021 17: 43
                    Didn't make any claims.
      2. 0
        3 December 2021 11: 14
        Russia needs them too. They are not needed by people who do not understand anything about the Navy or internal enemies.
  7. -1
    1 December 2021 15: 32
    I read it, I think what nonsense. And then I saw the author and everything fell into place.
    What is the war with Japan, author? Two missile strikes on Tokyo, not even on the city, but on power plants and that's it, the war is over. Japan is just one of the pack of globalists jackals and she will never be bigger.
    And what kind of wars is the author waging? Aircraft carrier versus aircraft carrier, tank versus tank, infantry versus infantry.
    Ukrainians thinking.
    1. -6
      1 December 2021 15: 54
      Two missile strikes on Tokyo, not even on the city, but on power plants and that's it, the war is over. Japan is just one of the pack of globalists jackals and she will never be bigger.

      The response would be disastrous for Russia, not even nuclear.
      1. +1
        1 December 2021 20: 15
        Well, yes, Hohloarmiya will go on the offensive and drive a tank along Red Square;)) Glory to DUrkaine! Heroiam - lard!
        1. -2
          1 December 2021 20: 24
          Uryakalka are so worried about the impoverished Ukraine. What is easier to turn off the gas to it in winter.
      2. 0
        2 December 2021 12: 27
        Tatysho ?? What is such a response from Japan, which has already attacked the Kuril Islands?
        1. 0
          2 December 2021 23: 46
          The response will be from the international community such that the current sanctions will be hit by mosquito bites.
          1. 0
            3 December 2021 00: 37
            Yours is the so-called. The "world" community will soon put a strain on its pants.
            1. -1
              3 December 2021 00: 40
              But at the same time, the anti-Russian sanctions are not lifted, NATO is not dissolving, the capital of oligarchs and officials is not returned to the Central Bank of Russia.
              1. 0
                3 December 2021 00: 43
                So what? It has long been clear that these thieves and murderers welcome corrupt officials.
                1. -1
                  3 December 2021 00: 55
                  Corrupt officials, thieves and Americans, the British by conviction, according to their passports, will lead Russia to a tsugunder of the Tsushima type.
  8. 0
    1 December 2021 15: 49
    Quote: Lick
    I read it, I think what nonsense. And then I saw the author and everything fell into place.
    What is the war with Japan, author? Two missile strikes on Tokyo, not even on the city, but on power plants and that's it, the war is over. Japan is just one of the pack of globalists jackals and she will never be bigger.

    What are you being rude? Morbid delirium is your nuclear-powered stratospheric bombers.
    What are the two blows to Tokyo? Who will give such an order? Putin with his multiple moves? There will be concern and bewilderment, then an imitation of preparation for war and then allow himself to be persuaded not to fight, but to sit down at the negotiating table. The Kuril Islands will remain virtually Japanese.
    This is much more real than a nuclear strike on Tokyo.

    And what kind of wars is the author waging? Aircraft carrier versus aircraft carrier, tank versus tank, infantry versus infantry.
    Ukrainians thinking

    Oh, well, whoever's talking, damn it. Stratospheric delusional. You don’t understand anything about the subject. You live in the world of pink elephants, as I said.
    1. 0
      2 December 2021 13: 31
      Don't hysteria, dear author. My stratospheric "nonsense" is already a reality. But your aircraft carriers, for which you stand up so much, remained in the last century. Even the penguins are already beginning to reach.
      1. -1
        3 December 2021 01: 01
        Japan has a modern balanced strong fleet. With powerful shipbuilding, shipbuilding, ship repair. Japanese governments have never thrown thousands of officers, warrant officers, elders, amtros into civilian life.
        YaBP, Japan will promptly break both the PLA Navy (which is a raw mass of ships, without trained naval aviation) and KTOF, which is finally degrading by 2025.
        1. 0
          3 December 2021 02: 18
          Yes of course. I'm not sure the Japs will agree with you.
  9. -2
    1 December 2021 17: 06
    The Chinese, it seems, made a floating museum out of it. Yeltsin sold it for a penny, at one time, and not Ukraine, consider that the west is not a threat to us and there is no need to restore it for a long time ...
    1. +3
      1 December 2021 17: 38
      You are confusing it with "Minsk".
      Ukraine sold the Varyag to the Chinese.
      1. -1
        1 December 2021 17: 59
        Thank you for the info. Then "back to Russia", apparently, he should not return, since the Ukrainian SSR was still exploited.
        1. +1
          2 December 2021 08: 16
          It was not exploited in the Ukrainian SSR. the building was 70% built and frozen. China bought it in this form, miraculously towed it to itself and completed the construction itself.
  10. -1
    1 December 2021 18: 52
    So the question is, why should China sell its Liaoning to India?

    Maybe with such a thing that it is crammed with Chinese electronics? It is impossible to understand the contents of each electronics housing. The ship comes under the control of a Chinese satellite at any time.
  11. +1
    1 December 2021 18: 57
    Option: the United States will be sold for scrap ...
  12. +5
    1 December 2021 23: 18
    To receive the former Varyag from the Chinese as a gift for the transfer of technology in the 90s did not go far ...
    Instead of buying out a rather old and already worn-out "semi-aircraft carrier"
    it is much more correct and faster to use this money to modernize a couple of Tu-22M3M regiments for hypersonic Daggers, they will just become that "pacifier" for actively arming Japan.
    One TAVRK without the appropriate escort forces, destroyers, frigates and multipurpose nuclear submarines will not bring any strategic advantage to the Pacific Fleet, except for significant financial costs for the arrangement of bases, repair of the TAVRK and equipping it with carrier-based aircraft.
    Aerospace Forces aviation will work much more effectively together with the coastal missile systems Bastion and BAL against the Japanese fleet and at its bases in Japan from coastal and island airfields than from the deck of the TAVRK (Kuznetsov's trip to the shores of Syria showed this in 2016).
    1. +1
      2 December 2021 08: 50
      Aerospace Forces aviation will work much more effectively together with the coastal missile systems Bastion and BAL against the Japanese fleet and at its bases in Japan from coastal and island airfields than from the deck of the TAVRK (Kuznetsov's trip to the shores of Syria showed this in 2016).

      Kuzi's trip to Syria showed only that an unqualified ship with untrained deck aviation pilots was sent there. It was a gamble that ended with a natural result.

      One TAVRK without the appropriate escort forces, destroyers, frigates and multipurpose nuclear submarines will not bring any strategic advantage to the Pacific Fleet, except for significant financial costs for the arrangement of bases, repair of the TAVRK and equipping it with carrier-based aircraft.

      And who says that there should be one TAVRK? Since there are already ships KTOF, in 2023 the first multipurpose frigate of Project 22350 will go, followed by at least 2 more until 2025. The aircraft carrier should become the core for the Pacific Fleet.
      P.S. the infrastructure will still have to be built for the UDC of project 23900, which has already been promised by KTOF. So I don't see a problem at all.

      it is much more correct and faster to use this money to modernize a couple of Tu-22M3M regiments for hypersonic Daggers, they will just become that "pacifier" for actively arming Japan.

      For the successful use of the "Daggers" you need the operational data of the control center. Hypersound is far from a panacea.
      By the way, how will these Tu-22M3M operate in the area of ​​operation of Japanese fighter aircraft, including carrier-based ones?
      1. 0
        3 December 2021 00: 02
        Since there are already ships KTOF, in 2023 the first multipurpose frigate of Project 22350 will go, followed by at least 2 more until 2025.

        This is a minuscule even for peacetime. By 2025, Vinogradov's BOD and others will become unusable. The miners are minuscule. Submarines of all classes are minuscule. There are no plans to restore reconnaissance and strike naval aviation. The main strike force at sea. So an unbalanced fleet will not solve elementary problems in the Pacific naval theater.

        By the way, how will these Tu-22M3M operate in the area of ​​operation of Japanese fighter aircraft, including carrier-based ones?

        They will not. They are not. They require at least a division. In 2020, they were able to roll out one aircraft near the barn.
      2. 0
        6 December 2021 00: 37
        For the successful use of the "Daggers" you need the operational data of the control center. Hypersound is far from a panacea.

        Liana is already working!
  13. -2
    2 December 2021 00: 14
    Nice idea !!
    And the oligarchs will steal money anyway and take it to America.
  14. +1
    2 December 2021 03: 17
    Actually, the time of aircraft carriers is over. American experts admit this. Now their destiny is to fight only with weak states…. In the event of war or conflict, they will be the first to be destroyed. And they can now be destroyed with the help of hypersonic weapons, or strikes from space. After all, satellites fly above us, only 300-600 km from us. Go figure out which of the thousands of satellites with rockets above us ..
    1. 0
      2 December 2021 08: 15
      You write nonsense that is artificially imposed on you. These "American specialists" either hype on the topic, or simply work to ensure that their customers are allocated more money.
      For the successful use of hypersonic weapons, data for target designation is needed. Ask about the state of the Liana system, how many satellites are in it (you can count on the fingers of 1 hand). Satellites will be destroyed first of all in case of war.
      Then aircraft or AWACS helicopters, which are based on aircraft carriers, remain for the fleet's command center. The United States has them, Japan has 2 light aircraft carriers, and we have nothing in the Pacific.
      Strikes from space are available to our opponents in theory, thanks to the presence. they have Boeing spaceplanes, not us.
      At KTOF, it will not even survive clashes with the Japanese, so the forces are unequal. And there is no need to talk about nuclear weapons. Its real application in Japan may not be under Putin.
      1. +1
        2 December 2021 13: 35
        I wonder how they beat the barmaley from the Caspian Sea with Calibers without an aircraft carrier and satellites?))
        1. -1
          3 December 2021 00: 42
          They were beaten for stationary targets, without elementary antiaircraft defense. In greenhouse polygon conditions. Then, for a year and a half, the current MRK ammunition was restored.
      2. 0
        6 December 2021 00: 40
        Satellites will be destroyed first of all in case of war.

        Aircraft carriers will be destroyed along with satellites, if not by hypersound so by nuclear torpedoes ...
    2. -2
      2 December 2021 08: 40
      An aircraft carrier is not a "useless trough", as you are being deceived: it is the air defense of a ship group by carrier-based aviation forces from enemy air attacks, this is reconnaissance and receiving data from the control center for ship and aircraft missiles using an aircraft or an AWACS helicopter, anti-submarine warfare using anti-submarine helicopters, plus optional air support for amphibious assault.
      This is an extremely useful warship that qualitatively changes the capabilities and level of combat stability of the fleet. And we don't have them. No "Zircons" will help here, sorry.
      P.S. Note that there is no talk of any seizure of foreign territories and dispersal of the Papuans. It's just a matter of basic survival against the enemy's AUG. Answer, which of the listed tasks has lost its relevance? What gives you reason to believe that the time of aircraft carriers is over?
      PS, just in case, I will say again that no Zircons without data from the Central Control will be able to destroy the enemy's AUG. In general, this is an extremely difficult "target", which itself will destroy whoever you want first.
      1. -1
        3 December 2021 00: 07
        helicopter AWACS,

        This ersatz AWACS and U. Only one operator, low speed, low altitude, short time in the air.

        anti-submarine warfare using anti-submarine helicopters

        The Ka-27pl became obsolete 25 years ago.

        plus optional air support for amphibious assault.

        If the antiamphibious defense is portrayed as disorganized gangs with a light rifle, the medium-trained personnel of heavy bullet-type crews of the Chinese DShK type, with a sensible control of fire, as part of a platoon strongpoint, will easily repel a helicopter raid.
        The air group of the TAVKR Kuznetsov did not make a radical change in the Syrian bridgehead in favor of the remnants of the SA.
  15. +2
    2 December 2021 12: 15
    The author of the article discusses the categories of the Russian-Japanese war of 1905. What kind of Japanese aircraft carriers are there. Today, even American AUGs are practically turning into a suitcase without a handle. The presence of coastal complexes of the Bastion type, hypersonic missiles "Dagger" (on which, if desired, you can install nuclear warheads up to 5 Kt, but that much is not even necessary), "Zircons" on ships and submarines put an end to the doctrines of the 20th century. The author talks about the seizure of the Kuriles by Japan. This is generally from the field of folk tales. Even in the 90s (when we had nothing at all) this was not possible. Since everyone understands very well (including Japan) that after such a step, Japan will cease to exist as a result of the use of nuclear weapons. Therefore, there will be no Tsushima-style battles.
    As for aircraft carriers, these ships are needed only in peacetime to demonstrate the flag, as arguments in negotiations and in local conflicts (such as the Syrian one), but this is an expensive pleasure (therefore, you need to count before deciding on their construction). Someone will object to me and say that AUG are needed to cover the submarine deployment zone. This was true in the last century. Now everything has changed. First, some of the nuclear submarines are permanently deployed in the world's oceans, and their total salvo can form a large strait in place of the United States (not to mention other countries). Secondly, the range of modern missiles on nuclear submarines allows them to shoot straight from the quay wall in case of war.
    1. 0
      3 December 2021 00: 11
      Today, even American AUGs are practically turning into a suitcase without a handle. The presence of coastal complexes of the Bastion type, hypersonic missiles "Dagger" (on which, if desired, you can install nuclear warheads up to 5 Kt, but that much is not even necessary), "Zircons" on ships and submarines put an end to the doctrines of the 20th century. A

      Sweet balm for the wounded heart of the Civil Code of the Russian Navy. Green grapes.

      Zircons "on ships and submarines put an end to the doctrines of the 20th century.

      3M22 is just an ammunition. In order for them to successfully hit targets, it is required to fulfill a list of conditions for a whole page A4.NGSH of the Russian Armed Forces and the Civil Code of the Russian Navy for 25 years have lost the ability to fulfill these conditions.

      Secondly, the range of modern missiles on nuclear submarines allows them to shoot straight from the quay wall in case of war.

      Lies for gullible coastal people.
  16. 0
    3 December 2021 03: 57
    That's why "Bastions" in the Kuril Islands.
    Nafing no longer needs any aircraft carriers there! )))