What conclusions can be drawn from the bankruptcy of Rusnano


A few days ago, the general public was agitated by the news that the former "office" of our most famous "effective manager" Anatoly Chubais, the state corporation Rusnano, was on the verge of bankruptcy. The wicked irony is that the brainchild of "Atlas Shrugged" can only save the state from collapse. Can any conclusions be drawn from what happened?


Atlas hunched his shoulders


The results of Mr. Chubais's activities as head of Rusnano are quite natural. Before that, there was RAO "UES" and its so-called "reform", which was expressed in the splitting into parts of the once unified energy system of our country and the sale of its pieces to foreign companies. And before that there was the notorious privatization of the "nineties", one of the main ideologists of which was Anatoly Borisovich. Then the tidbits of state property, until recently in public ownership of the Soviet people, for a song passed into the private hands of a narrow circle of people who instantly turned into oligarchs, younger brothers of representatives of large Western financial and industrial capital. Once, having opened his heart, Mr. Chubais told without equivocation how and why, together with his “accomplices,” he was destroying the industry of the former superpower:

We were not engaged in collecting money, but in the destruction of communism. We knew that every plant sold was a nail in the coffin of communism. Expensive. Cheap. Is free. With a surcharge - that's all question twentieth.

Everything is according to the ideological precepts of the "Atlanteans" from the beloved handbook of a liberal dreamer and outright "saboteur". Another question is why this person, instead of an objective check and audit of his activities with subsequent procedural consequences, is transplanted from the chair of the head of one state corporation to another?

However, after all, the light did not converge on Anatoly Borisovich, right? Let us recall, for example, the so-called "modernization" program put forward by President Medvedev back in 2009. Dmitry Anatolyevich called Russia forward, towards a bright future, where a breakthrough was shining in such industries as space and telecommunications, nuclear energy, energy efficiency and new types of fuel, medical Technology and pharmaceuticals, information technology. The word "modernization", so capacious and at the same time so vague, was used everywhere in those years. Then, however, it all came to naught. Apparently, Russia nevertheless “sailed” to the designated target.

And there was also a domestic analogue of Silicon Valley called Skolkovo. Can you immediately recall any real results of the work of this science city, which improved the lives of Russians, would return the budget money invested in them? Something in the information field flashed about corruption cases, high salaries and bonuses for those involved, but the technological breakthrough has not yet worked out, as, incidentally, in Mr. Chubais's Rusnano.

Back in the sharashka?


Somehow, in modern Russia, with its oligarchs and systemic liberals in the government and in leading positions in state corporations, it does not add up to innovations and "nanotechnologies." Either they do not know how and, in principle, they cannot, or they don’t want to, but on the contrary, they deliberately scatter financial resources on dubious "projects". It is unacceptable to endure such a thing. Our country has entered a new "Cold War", is under Western sanctions, is forced to solve problems with import substitution, since the systemic liberals deliberately let their industry go to scrap metal. For years we have not been able to perfect jet engines for fighters, we are still not able to produce powerful ship propulsion systems, we do not have our own processors for computers that are adequate in terms of characteristics, we are dependent on the supply of imported machine tools and equipment, etc. Is this a joke or something?

So what to do?

Now, perhaps, some liberals will have enough blow, but in the current conditions, the re-creation of the so-called "sharashki", or rather, Special technical bureaus, suggests itself. In Russian history, this topic is strongly mythologized, especially through the efforts of Mr. Solzhenitsyn:

All these sharashki have been led since 1930, as they began to drive the engineers with shoals. In the wild, it is impossible to gather in one design group two great engineers or two great scientists: they begin to fight for a name, for glory, for the Stalin Prize, one of the other will surely survive. Therefore, all design bureaus at large are a pale circle around one bright head. And on the sharashka? Neither fame nor money threatens anyone ... This is how much was created in our science! And this is the main idea of ​​sharashkas.

From this quote, the only undoubted truth is that OTBs were really effective and gave a lot to domestic science. Incidentally, it was not the "mustachioed ghoul" who drove the engineers into the "sharashki", but their own colleagues, who wrote denunciations against them in order to take a good position or settle old scores. A sort of relapse into the Civil War. By the way, not all of those who got into OTB were innocent sheep. Even the famous aircraft designer Tupolev, with all due respect to him, ended up in the "sharaga" for a reason.

As you know, he was sent to the United States to buy licenses for the production of American aircraft in the USSR. Upon his return, it turned out that he flew to the United States with his wife, at the same time brought home a lot of valuable junk, like other members of his delegation, who combined business with pleasure. And the drawings acquired by Tupolev under license were all in feet and inches, while in the USSR the metric system was, therefore, an additional huge technical work had to be done to translate them. As a result, of the three planned aircraft, only one was produced under license, and the state suffered significant financial damage.

Of course, domestic "effective managers" will not even understand what exactly the problem was, for them this is sheer trifles. Just think, they spent budget money ineffectively, not their own. But under Comrade Stalin, the approach was somewhat different. By the way, Tupolev was by no means shot, but sent to the Special Technical Bureau, where he brought real benefit. For example, in the "prison sharashki", as domestic liberals call them, the following were created: the Tu-2 front-line bomber, the Pe-2 dive bomber, the DVB-102 high-altitude bomber, the I-5 fighter, the Felix Dzerzhinsky cargo steam locomotive, auxiliary aviation liquid-propellant engines RD-1, RD-1HZ, RD-2 and RD-3, a regimental 75-mm cannon of the 1943 model, a universal artillery system of 152 mm, and also much more that came in handy during the Great Patriotic War. At least in some ways Alexander Isaevich did not lie.

Naturally, no one in the realities of 2021 proposes to write denunciations and put scientists in "prison design bureaus". However, if the current top managers, academics, engineers and scientists receive decent money from the state, then the state has the right to demand some result from them. If there is no result in a reasonable time frame, then it may be advisable to bring the responsible persons together, providing them with everything they need to work and at the same time isolating them so that they are not distracted by any nonsense until they give this result. You look, and "Product 30" will quickly "finish". Instead of a budget. And only after that, for heroic work for the good of the Motherland, they will receive bonuses, bonuses, certificates of honor, etc. due to them.
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  1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
    gunnerminer (gunner miner) 29 November 2021 11: 30
    -2
    And in the morning they woke up .... Now Anatoly Borisovich occupies a much more important position.
  2. nov_tech.vrn Offline nov_tech.vrn
    nov_tech.vrn (Michael) 29 November 2021 11: 50
    +4
    The most interesting thing is that Rusnano, having got rid of the "thought giant", is breathing, but the loans collected under the leadership of Chubais are pulling to the bottom.
  3. shiva Offline shiva
    shiva (Ivan) 29 November 2021 11: 52
    +8
    And what kind of corporate parties he organized for the "young scientists" for the new year - the Gazprom rogue did not stand close and silently wiped himself off, leading round dances with Pugacheva and Baskov ...
    And after all, not for himself - he did not steal!
    A living creature like Chubais must be crushed with a hard, shod heel, although not for anything like. Press for sure, so that even from under the heel does not slip!
    1. Xuli (o) Tebenado 29 November 2021 13: 43
      +9
      A living creature like Chubais must be crushed with a hard, shod heel, although not for anything like. Press for sure, so that even from under the heel does not slip!

      You, Vanya, this, don't yell too loudly here. Otherwise, you will be thundering to fanfare under several articles of the Criminal Code.
      Borisych pulled our "dear father" out of St. Petersburg in 1996, and VVP there already went to the exit with things from the St. Petersburg City Hall. And one more thing: he made him sit next to him, making Yeltsin the deputy head of the presidential administration of Russia, and Borisych himself was the head of the administration at that time. Our expired guarantor will never offend his benefactors, this is not human, not divine.
      1. shiva Offline shiva
        shiva (Ivan) 30 November 2021 19: 57
        +2
        What articles? Inciting ethnic hatred? Slander? Threats? - I did not threaten anyone.
        Such as, such living creatures - so I wrote about cockroaches and about red slugs, which flooded even those places where I go to pick mushrooms. They are red and I crush them as soon as I see them. Crush the red slugs! And that Chubais is also similar, also red-haired? So I did not write about him - I mean creeping reptiles. And if Anatoly Borisovich is somehow similar to them, then it’s not for me - associations, psychology, to the Criminal Code only through forensic examination and even a linguistic analysis of my opuses. I beg you, red-haired nasty slug crawling to us from Spain - where is the allusion to Chubais here?
  4. beeper Offline beeper
    beeper 29 November 2021 12: 58
    +4
    What are the conclusions from the bankruptcy of Rusnano ?!
    Yes, the conclusions are the most obvious - the next "Chubaisyatina" left Russia with a grandiose "side"! request
    Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation would seriously deal with this unprofitable "effective top manager" and his closest accomplices, but many of us (not only in Russia!) Are well aware that "Red Tolik" is just from a narrow circle of those "ours", "untouchables" , which the GDP "does not throw" ?! winked
    In principle, even "at the dawn" of the formation of "Rusnano" and the stream of "advertising chatter" about the alleged future "successes", having found out who is "at the head of the enterprise", I personally very much doubted the "end result" of his "activities" and I am very it is a pity that my assumptions were confirmed ... and is it really only with Rusnano that such a "situevina" ?! what
    Alas, the fact of the bankruptcy of Rusnano suggests itself and one more conclusion-steering of the RF so far and have NOT figured out what exactly

    cadres are everything!

    IMHO
  5. Bulanov Offline Bulanov
    Bulanov (Vladimir) 29 November 2021 13: 18
    +7
    We knew that every plant sold was a nail in the coffin of communism.

    At that time, China was assembling and building new factories and, with the help of communism, is now competing for world leadership with the United States. And the Chubais reforms threw Russia far behind the advanced countries in development. And who was right here - Chubais or communism? The answer is obvious - the leaders are now communist China.
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 29 November 2021 13: 26
      +7
      That is why, in my eyes, domestic liberals are accomplices of the West.
      1. boriz Offline boriz
        boriz (boriz) 29 November 2021 15: 28
        +4
        That is why, in my eyes, domestic liberals are accomplices of the West.

        So this is an elementary truth. Only not accomplices, but mercenaries.
        But Chubais was moved to a "worthy" position precisely in order to make it more convenient to smash Rusnano.
        This is standard practice.
        As a former employee, you should know how in 1938-39. were preparing a pogrom of the NKVD.
        First, Frinovsky (Yezhov's first deputy, and in fact the main driving force) was sent to command the Pacific Fleet. Say, a lot of pests have dug in there, help me, dear comrade Frinovsky, you can do it great.
        And Beria was put in his place.
        Then Yezhov himself was asked to help with pests on water transport and made him part-time people's commissar of water transport. And in the NKVD, they say, Comrade Beria, a very strong Bolshevik and Chekist, will cover you.
        Then Yezhov was freed from the worries of the NKVD so that the NKVT could be more fully engaged.
        Well, and then - to the execution basement of both. When they were torn from the roots and ties. And the NKVD was cleaned out.
        These are the difficult ways people have to fight for power.
        So Chubais was sent to knock out investments from the West. Indeed, during the deal with the liberals, they pledged to provide Western investments while banning domestic ones.
        As a result, there is no internal investment (Nabiullina is following this), and sanctions were imposed on external ones under any pretext.
        So he was sent for investment: he promised, so do it. Nobody believed that he would knock out investments. The main thing was to get him out of the Nano. And they did it, there was a good reason.
      2. Adler77 Offline Adler77
        Adler77 (Denis) 29 November 2021 21: 06
        +1
        Funny. Putin is the main liberal. As well as Medvedev, Chubais and all all all)
        1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
          Marzhecki (Sergei) 30 November 2021 11: 29
          0
          Yeah, you’ll laugh. Are you not a liberal yourself?
          1. Adler77 Offline Adler77
            Adler77 (Denis) 30 November 2021 22: 15
            +1
            No, if you are interested, then I see myself as a socialist, and I think that under capitalism humanity has no prospects. Socialism (not communism) is a real chance for man and humanity.
            1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
              Marzhecki (Sergei) 1 December 2021 15: 13
              0
              Cool. And I. laughing
              And for some reason you call me stoned. What kind of socialist are you?
    2. Xuli (o) Tebenado 29 November 2021 13: 51
      +7


      You will decide in terms there, theorists.
      1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
        Marzhecki (Sergei) 29 November 2021 14: 05
        +2
        Let him decide who he is, a liberal or a statesman.
        And then today he is a liberal, and tomorrow he is for traditional values ​​and "spiritual bonds." Well settled down, even Lukashenka is reproached with two chairs.
      2. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
        steelmaker 29 November 2021 14: 44
        +3
        You will define in terms there

        Great videos! Those who are friends with education understand everything. And whoever trades in the Motherland will now rush to defend the nullified one, or sticks to the minuses.
    3. boriz Offline boriz
      boriz (boriz) 29 November 2021 15: 03
      +5
      China did not assemble and build factories with the help of communism, but with the help of American technology and money.
      When the United States needed to make the Anti-USSR and its workshop from China in one bottle. And China, along with the entire West, has reached a dead end.
      In order to cooperate with the United States, China needed to move the communist ideology. A kind of protracted NEP. Now they are returning (to some extent) to their previous positions, but it is not known how much this will help them.
    4. Adler77 Offline Adler77
      Adler77 (Denis) 29 November 2021 21: 14
      +3
      These are not liberals, but enemies of the people and the country. When the alleged liberal ideas cover up the destruction of the state system and personal enrichment ... this is nothing more than a crime. But they haven’t gone anywhere. They sit in power. And they won't give it to anyone. This is such a collision, the liberal dictatorship of the oligarchy ...
      China is no longer communist in its essence.
      1. zenion Offline zenion
        zenion (zinovy) 7 December 2021 16: 20
        0
        What if you read the word liberal in German, or in Yiddish - liber al. Loved by all, of course by his own.
  6. boriz Offline boriz
    boriz (boriz) 29 November 2021 13: 36
    +1
    What conclusions can be drawn from the bankruptcy of Rusnano

    Already in the second post I am struck by the "bloodthirstiness" of Sergei. Does the first education and work in the first profession affect?
    The pre-war sharashka were conditioned by the situation. Then they did just fine without them.
    And the conclusions are such that liberals are gradually being squeezed out of governing the country.
    Now many "nanists" are being jailed. And the West will not help. Chubais, however, was not touched. So far, oddly enough it may seem, he is listed in the "elite" at the level of untouchability. It turns out that his advisers deceived and evil guys taught bad things. And he is white and fluffy. But the sediment will remain and may affect the status with further punctures.
    And the leadership will be replaced, they will recruit those who can work (and it will be difficult). And maybe the office will still work fine.
  7. Siegfried Offline Siegfried
    Siegfried (Gennady) 29 November 2021 13: 46
    +2
    unlike Rostec, UAC and other giants, Rusnano was a technology and research structure. Investments in projects, new technologies are always the risk of lack of return. To add to this, when the market is offered such a huge amount of money for "new" technologies, first of all there is a line of their drinkers - they create all sorts of ostentatious fakes, such as Russian tablets for schools, etc., but of course there is no real return. So we see how much money was stolen, even if some of this is a consequence of the lack of demand for new technology and other purely market reasons. Rusnano has given out a lot of useful things, but the efficiency of spending money is, of course, terrible. This problem is not only with us, in the USA, too, DARPA also gives money for any promise of breakthrough technologies, they also saw and cheat, but they also give out not weakly. It is necessary to finance projects of new technologies, but here at least all the breeders and drinkers should be excluded. That there will be technological dead ends, the loss of funds is normal, but a pure divorce of the state for money is no longer normal.
  8. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 29 November 2021 13: 48
    +3
    Quote: boriz
    Already in the second post I am struck by the "bloodthirstiness" of Sergei. Does the first education and work in the first profession affect?
    The pre-war sharashka were conditioned by the situation. Then they did just fine without them.

    No bloodlust. And so, yes, they do. smile
    By the way, is it not a pre-war situation in our country under the conditions of the Cold War and the Arms Race? Are we doing great?
    1. boriz Offline boriz
      boriz (boriz) 29 November 2021 14: 58
      +2
      Are we doing great?

      In terms of armaments - no worse than others, at least.
      1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
        gunnerminer (gunner miner) 29 November 2021 15: 04
        -4
        In the most science-intensive branches of the Armed Forces, it is worse than others, and worse and worse every year. The nuclear triad has turned into a monad in 20 years.
        1. boriz Offline boriz
          boriz (boriz) 29 November 2021 15: 08
          +3
          The nuclear triad has become a monad in 20 years.

          Justify.
          And the fact that we have much worse than others, the fault is that we flooded there, in the liberal swamp.
          They planned to make a world workshop from China and did it. Now they bite my elbows. And we were seen in the role of a raw material appendage, it is surprising that not all technologies were ruined.
          1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
            gunnerminer (gunner miner) 29 November 2021 18: 12
            -3
            In the fleet. Failure of the construction of diesel engines 677 project. Failure with VNEU. Failure of the Kalina project. Even poor morally obsolete Varshavyanka for KTOF were able to squeeze out a couple of units. With a list of old shortcomings. Failure with the modernization of SSGN 949A project. Only K-132 are squeezed out according to the homeless version. The SSGN 855M of the project is planned for only 8 units. With the price of one SSGN as three SSGN 955A projects. With a need of 20 units. Without water cannons. Without electric propulsion. We were able to hand over to the customer only K-561. K-560 roars all over the White Sea. events do not release. RPKSN 955A project without anti-torpedo systems, with obsolete wooden torpedoes, and with the same means of GPA.
            BOD Shaposhnikov and SKR Nustrashimy were modernized according to the homeless version. With torpedoes obsolete by the beginning of the 80s. Without BUGAS. TARKR Nakhimov was mired in 10 years of repair. TARKR Lazarev on needles in OFI. TARKR P. Veliky 12 years as the average repair was delayed. TAVKR Kuznetsov miraculously afloat, rotting at the wall of the SRZ-35.
            Naval reconnaissance and strike aircraft disappeared in 2011, and ASW aircraft are represented by several museum pieces, with avionics and buoys useless against modern submarines.
            USC cannot build destroyers. There are only two Project 22350 frigates with incomprehensible air defense. There are only two modern reconnaissance ships. UDCs were laid in Kerch according to an unapproved project, without the main engine.
            1. 123 Offline 123
              123 (123) 29 November 2021 23: 48
              -1
              In the fleet. Failure to build diesel engines 677 project. Failure from VNEU.

              What do they have to do with the nuclear triad?

              When you need 20 units.

              From what finger is the need sucked? This is not the first time I have asked you this question. Again, confine yourself to reading chants and a brick face?

              SSBN 955A of the project without anti-torpedo systems, with obsolete wooden torpedoes, and with the same GPE means.

              If you could grind your wooden torpedo Yes Yes, be careful, look at Nelson do not become like.

              BOD Shaposhnikov and TFR Nustrashimy were modernized according to the homeless version.
              Nakhimov is mired in 10 years of repairs. TARKR Lazarev is on pins and needles in OFI.
              Naval reconnaissance and strike aviation ...
              Destroyers ...
              two frigates ...

              How are they sideways to the triad? sad From time to time, with the stubbornness of a woodpecker, you repeat a set of nonsense.
              Maybe for you this is in the order of things, but as for those around you, Svidomo of the brain is obvious and very graphic.
              When you are silent, it is not so noticeable.
              1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                gunnerminer (gunner miner) 29 November 2021 23: 59
                +1
                The naval triad was part of the strategic nuclear forces triad. The Varshavian women provided ASW in
                the coastal zone of SSBN deployment routes. Calculation of support for SSBN patrolling, two SSBNs to three SSGN. there is no marine component of the triad.
                1. 123 Offline 123
                  123 (123) 30 November 2021 02: 11
                  -2
                  The naval triad was part of the strategic nuclear forces triad.

                  Sea triad?
                  The triad is a unity formed by three separate parts. In this case, the Strategic Missile Forces, strategic aviation and nuclear submarine missile carriers.

                  Varshavyanka provided ASW in the coastal zone of SSBN deployment routes.

                  Well yes Yes And the rear units and warehouses are provided by Varshavyanka. Are they part of the coastal triad or the land one? Or what else is there? What are you talking about, Nelson? You didn't plan a breakthrough through the Kerch Strait?
                  1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                    gunnerminer (gunner miner) 30 November 2021 15: 36
                    -2
                    In this case, the Strategic Missile Forces, strategic aviation and nuclear submarine missile carriers.

                    There is no triad due to the lack of reconnaissance and support forces for the SSBN and the scanty number of combat-ready Tu-160M, Tu-95MS.
                  2. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                    gunnerminer (gunner miner) 30 November 2021 15: 37
                    -2
                    Well yes yes And the rear divisions and warehouses provide Varshavyanka. Are they part of the coastal triad or the land one? Or what else is there? What are you talking about, Nelson? You didn't plan a breakthrough through the Kerch Strait?

                    You have a load of information exchange occurred.
          2. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
            gunnerminer (gunner miner) 29 November 2021 18: 18
            -3
            In aviation. The basis of the Air Force is military transport aviation decrepit. The Il-76MD-90A and Il-78MD-90A are being built an order of magnitude less than Shoigu requires. The Il-112V is in failure. There are no Russian engines for the Be-200 and for the An-124. There are only four Tu-160Ms. And it goes through the stump deck. They shouted about 50 cars, reduced to 20. In reality, there will be 5 or 0. 22.Su-3S, Su-2020SM, Su-6 without radar with AFAR. The eyes and ears of the Air Force, the AWACS and U complexes are represented by four A-57U rolls. There are no reconnaissance planes or electronic warfare aircraft.
            1. Adler77 Offline Adler77
              Adler77 (Denis) 29 November 2021 21: 21
              +1
              Although I do not like your posts, the bitter truth is written.
              You can also remember Rogozin's trampolines ...
              1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                gunnerminer (gunner miner) 30 November 2021 00: 03
                0
                Rogozin said three days ago that Russia has a chance to fly out of a number of space powers if it does not create a lunar base by 2030.
  9. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 29 November 2021 14: 04
    +4
    As Putin said about Chubais: "well, you understand ....."
    So the rest, everyone understands everything, but Chubais and everyone else are still on horseback, but the population will pay more for gas from November 1 ...
    1. Xuli (o) Tebenado 29 November 2021 20: 31
      +5
      but the population will pay more for gas from November 1.

      I did not see this: now I was looking at accounts in the LC - 70.3 rubles from each prescribed, as in October.
      1. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
        Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 29 November 2021 22: 42
        0
        Tse was lucky.
        I have to the account on the back + a piece of paper, what kind of gas is the network maintenance, + 82 r automatically from 1.11.2021/XNUMX/XNUMX
        According to some government decree ...

        Yes, after the commentary, I looked, it is not yet in the LC November
        1. Xuli (o) Tebenado 30 November 2021 08: 55
          +4
          This is TO VKGO - maintenance of intra-apartment gas equipment (stove, boiler, etc.). It is carried out by some sharags, which have little to do with gas. Our sharaga is called Gas Service LLC, and I pay her 87 rubles a month. They should come and check your gas appliances once a year (or six months, I don’t remember exactly). Do they do it? is another question.
          And directly for gas the price goes on a separate line and that price changes every year from July 01.
          1. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
            Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 30 November 2021 12: 34
            +1
            STE has long been called - indirect extortion.
            Pay more? more. And how the sharashka is called is not so important.
  10. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
    steelmaker 29 November 2021 14: 47
    +3
    that the former "office" of our most famous "effective manager" Anatoly Chubais, the state corporation "Rusnano", was on the verge of bankruptcy

    Putin does not abandon his own!
  11. Panikovsky Offline Panikovsky
    Panikovsky (Mikhail Samuelevich Panikovsky) 29 November 2021 15: 32
    +4
    Until Anatoly Borisovich ends up in prison, all these are words. But when it is closed, there will be no sharashka for him, he is unfit for intellectual work (sophisticated theft from his people is not considered) I fell trees for a bowl of gruel, I think this is fair for Chubais. I hope I live and see.
  12. zenion Offline zenion
    zenion (zinovy) 29 November 2021 16: 35
    +3
    No conclusions can be drawn. Everything has already been taken out before. They took me out in broad daylight and the guards did not see. Because this is nana.
  13. kriten Offline kriten
    kriten (Vladimir) 29 November 2021 16: 44
    +4
    So far, the conclusion is simple: Chubais is eternal, he is our everything. 3/4 of the power structures are crammed with his comrades and students. Power works according to his plans, so there can be no complaints about the helmsman, otherwise he can throw overboard ... anyone, up to the first person. He simply assimilates the money allocated to him, it is inconvenient to give directly for expenses, they give it through Rusnano and Skolkovo, i.e. thieves' structures created on his advice.
  14. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
    Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 29 November 2021 19: 24
    +2
    When the government was just beginning this, and similar stories, everything was already clear to everyone.
    Now we are only convinced - yes, everything is really so. How can this be?
    One gets the impression that the authorities do not care at all about the opinion of the people about their actions. But it should, in theory, at least out of simple caution. So the States are already directly threatening us with a color revolution.
    Why is the government so indifferent to the opinion of the people?
    There are several answer options:
    1. The authorities believe that they have everything under control. Rosgvardia and stuff ...
    But in the presence of an external threat, extreme measures in themselves for the country are a big risk. How can you deliberately lead to this?
    2. The authorities do not think about anything, they live for today.
    It is difficult to believe in this, because the day is tomorrow: here it is - already on the doorstep.
    3. The authorities do not consider the people to be part of the equation, they are just a “herd” for them - wherever they say, they will go there. A shortsighted point of view for the authorities.
    4. Power deliberately leads the country to surrender to the West. This is perhaps too intricate - why then Poseidons, Vanguards, relations with China, etc. ...
    The fact that we have to guess so in itself says how weak the connection between the authorities and the people, and how little we understand it.
    It would be nice if the authorities finally turned to face the people, pushed aside the "fifth column" and finally began to establish close and lasting relations with their people. Before it's too late
  15. Sofa division Offline Sofa division
    Sofa division (Maksim) 29 November 2021 20: 57
    +4
    Quote: Panikovsky
    I felled for a bowl of gruel, I think this is fair for Chubais. I hope I live and see

    God grant that! And hurry up!
  16. Georgievic Offline Georgievic
    Georgievic (Georgievic) 29 November 2021 22: 54
    +1
    In China, the redhead would have been shot long ago!
  17. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
    Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 30 November 2021 11: 37
    +1
    I will add a few more points to the question: Why is the government so indifferent to the opinion of the people?
    5. Having received power from the hands of Yeltsin "by inheritance", the current government initially has no basis for a frank conversation with the people. Yeltsin's team deceived the people, carrying out a coup under the control of Shatov and dragging them into capitalism. Her fault lies in the hundreds of thousands who died physically and mentally.
    6. Vladimir Vladimirovich cherishes in his heart the pastoral image of the monarchy, under which Russia "flourished" in the Old Testament times. The abyss between the people and the authorities in tsarist Russia is well known.
    And finally:
    7. Vladimir Vladimirovich himself is not ready for a frank dialogue with the people, since I still have to hide a lot of key things from him.
    But ...
    To pull the Baron out of the swamp by the hair can only be external, in relation to the power, and this only force that remains outside the power is the people themselves.
    The country has once in its history had to deal with a similar issue.
    It was the famous Zemsky Sobor in 1613, which ended the Time of Troubles in Russia.
    Perhaps for the first time in history, the new, victorious government turned for help and a solution to the people themselves, as to a healthy, disinterested force, a true source of power in Russia.
    With the help of the people, the task was successfully completed.
    The President needs to gather all the political forces of Russia and representatives of the people and form a single capable and effective ruling party.
    The authorities must delegate their functions to this party and rely on the people.
    This is how I think you can get out of this hole
    1. Xuli (o) Tebenado 30 November 2021 18: 22
      +5
      It was the famous Zemsky Sobor in 1613, which ended the Time of Troubles in Russia.
      Perhaps for the first time in history, the new, victorious government turned for help and a solution to the people themselves, as to a healthy, disinterested force, a true source of power in Russia.
      With the help of the people, the task was successfully completed.
      The President needs to gather all the political forces of Russia and representatives of the people and form a single capable and effective ruling party.

      Zemsky Sobor in 1613? Let's also remember the Novgorod veche, where the winner was determined by the strength of the cry. Times are not the same for a long time. In Switzerland, referendums are held on any important issue.

      Does the President need to collect? - Come on. "The tsar is good, the boyars are bad"? - Bullshit. The tsar got his barrel of jam and a basket of cookies, and he doesn't need anything else but to sit on the throne for life.
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      2. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
        Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 30 November 2021 18: 58
        -1
        The referendum will not work. I do not know of such precedents in the world. In Russia it will be the second, if not the first. It is necessary first that all forces come to a common decision. By agreement. So that nothing significant remains outside the field of questions and solutions. Calling the Cathedral modern is not difficult. A referendum can only consolidate the decisions already made.
        As for the interests of the President, he and his team will stand before the court of Russian history. She will impartially and mercilessly consider everything and everyone.
        It is in his own interest to remedy the situation while it is still possible.
        Finally, the President is a believer, and his responsibility to God is not an empty phrase.
        1. Xuli (o) Tebenado 30 November 2021 19: 11
          +2
          I carefully read your text and realized that I have nothing to talk about with naive dreamers.
          It is on you (the simpletons and your drivers) that Russia "rests", eternally lagging behind in everything, except for the number of gyps and the "quality" of roads, from the rich and democratic countries.
          Serfdom was abolished in Russia only 160 years ago, therefore "democracy" in Russia is serfdom.

          The popular initiative in Switzerland has been resorted to more than 200 times since the end of the 159th century. In 14 cases the initiative was put forward for a referendum, in 144 cases the decision of the population was in the affirmative, in 70 it was negative. About 15 of them were withdrawn (mainly due to the fact that the country's authorities "answered" the questions of the "initiators"), and about XNUMX initiatives are under consideration.
          1. Alexey Davydov Offline Alexey Davydov
            Alexey Davydov (Alexey) 1 December 2021 14: 01
            -1
            It is on you (the simpletons and your drivers) that Russia "rests"

            I hope it will hold out now. With our and God's help
  18. Dukhskrepny Offline Dukhskrepny
    Dukhskrepny (Vasya) 1 December 2021 07: 23
    +1
    Ethnic organized criminal group of Chubais
  19. zenion Offline zenion
    zenion (zinovy) 5 December 2021 17: 03
    0
    There were a lot of sharashki in Sverdlovsk. Behind each plant there was a sharashka for which the plant did everything. Everything that they invented was tested and sensible were put into industry.