How Russia is on the path to creating a sixth generation fighter


Recent publication, where considerations were modestly expressed on the possibility of transforming the Yak-141 SKVVP into a platform for creating an unmanned fighter and a "faithful wingman", caused a rather heated debate. The main counterargument was: why make a UAV out of a fighter, if you can make a fighter out of a UAV? Interest Ask. Let's figure it out.


Maybe it's really worth it just to properly pump the performance characteristics of the "Hunter", and we will get a multifunctional heavy attack UAV? May be. Or maybe not.

In no way do we want to waste time on the S-70, since this is indeed a rather promising platform. "Hunter" is made using of technologies "Stealth", its combat load is close to that of a front-line bomber. The UAV can be used both for reconnaissance and as a heavy attack drone. However, there is one important nuance: the S-70 flies at subsonic speeds. The fifth-generation fighter Su-57, with the Hunter as a "wingman", is supersonic. This means that in a real battle they will not be able to effectively interact in pairs.

Here you can exclaim, why not pump the S-70 and also make it supersonic? Of course it is possible. But let's ask ourselves the question, how justified is this? The cost of the insured prototype, which is being tested together with the Su-75, is 1,5 billion rubles. According to preliminary estimates, each serially produced "Okhotnik" will cost the customer about 1 billion rubles. Experts believe that after the release of the large series, their cost will decrease by 40-50%. Perhaps. Well, if so, but for a subsonic drone it is a lot of money. Recall that the manufacturer asks for 75-25 million dollars for the promising lightweight fighter of the fifth generation Su-30, then at the current exchange rate it is 1,88 - 2,26 billion rubles.

In other words, for the price of a pair of subsonic "Hunters" you can buy 2 "with a tail" of normal supersonic fighters. If we “pump” the S-70 and make it supersonic, then its price tag will increase accordingly, probably equal to the Su-75. Is the game worth the candle? Let us clarify once again: we are not against the "Okhotnik", this UAV will undoubtedly have a wide niche for use, but, probably, we should not try to mold a "wunderwaffe" out of it, which will simply not be affordable for anyone. This allows us to make an intermediate conclusion that it may not be advisable to make a "true wingman" for a supersonic fighter from the S-70. On the contrary, global trends are such that it is much more promising to make a drone from a full-fledged fighter.

Next Generation Air Dominance (NGAD)


A prototype of a sixth-generation air superiority fighter is currently being tested in the United States. This program is classified, but it is known that the aircraft of the future will have an open architecture, and not only aircraft manufacturing giants, but also new companies can be involved in its production. It is assumed that the plane will be able to operate even in near space, for which it will have to completely redo its power plant. It is also known that the American sixth generation fighter can be optionally piloted, that is, have an unmanned version that will be used as a "faithful wingman". Apparently, the Pentagon is aiming to "confuse the head" of the Chinese and Russian military leaders:

Imagine that every four or five years, the mysterious F-200, F-201, F-202 appear, of which it is only known that this is a real flying plane. Now the enemy must ask the question: what can the new aircraft do in battle? What has been improved? How confident is he that he has the best plane?


Next generation fighter


They do not sleep in the Old World either. France, Germany and Spain have joined forces to develop their own sixth generation Next Generation Fighter under the Système de combat aérien du futur (SCAF, or FCAS) program. The first violin in the project is played by the Fifth Republic, the only one of these European countries that has all the competencies in the full cycle of production of combat aircraft. The power plant will be developed jointly by the French Safran group and the German MTU Aero Engines.

It has already been shown visually something in between the F-22 and the Su-57. The key difference between the fifth generation and the sixth is the development of unmanned aircraft control systems within the framework of this program.

Tempest


The British Empire, which broke away from the European Union, strikes back. The British teamed up with the Italians and created Team Tempest to develop their own sixth generation fighter. British companies BAE Systems, MBDA and Rolls Royce, as well as Italy's Leonardo are participating in the project. Launching its own aircraft program was London's answer to Brexit. An original solution can be considered the idea of ​​abandoning instruments in the cockpit, where all data will be displayed on the display inside the pilot's helmet. There is reason to believe that the British will be able to attract Sweden, which has competence in aircraft construction, into their project.

Yes, unmanned capability is also an indispensable feature of the British-Italian sixth generation fighter. In fact, the concept has a lot in common with the Franco-German project.

We can also mention the Japanese project of the next generation fighter NGF (Next Generation Fighter), formerly known as F3 and Future Fighter ("fighter of the future"). In Tokyo, they dream to lure the British BAE Systems or the European Airbus, or even better - the American Lockheed Martin, Boeing and Northrop Grumman to help Mitsubishi Heavy Industries in order to "treat" them to their developments in invisibility and unmanned control technologies.

The foregoing gives us grounds to conclude that creating a drone from a supersonic fighter would be a more rational and cost-effective solution than trying to turn a subsonic UAV into a kind of supersonic fighter. If we provide on this open platform the possibility of vertical, short and horizontal take-off, horizontal and vertical landing, the resulting aircraft, manned or unmanned, will receive a lot of competitive advantages.
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  1. Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
    Michael1950 (Michael) 27 November 2021 14: 13
    +4
    Why make a UAV from a fighter when you can make a fighter from a UAV? Interest Ask.

    - Really: "What we need to build a house, we will draw - we will live!" wassat
    1. Binder Offline Binder
      Binder (Miron) 28 November 2021 22: 28
      -4
      Quote: Michael1950
      let's draw - we will live!

      Film studio "Soyuzmultfilm" works at an accelerated pace. good
  2. Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
    Michael1950 (Michael) 27 November 2021 14: 18
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    A prototype of a sixth-generation air superiority fighter is currently being tested in the United States. This program is classified, but it is known that the aircraft of the future will have an open architecture, and not only aircraft manufacturing giants, but also new companies can be involved in its production. It is assumed that the plane will be able to operate even in near space, for which you will have to completely redo its power plant.

    - About "near space" (starts above 100 km) for a 6th generation fighter is not even a ridiculous fairy tale, but terribly stupid. Incredibly stupid ... Monstrously stupid ...
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 27 November 2021 14: 55
      0
      This means that your Americans are lying in their propaganda. Infa taken from open sources. Or a free translation. One out of two.
      1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
        gunnerminer (gunner miner) 27 November 2021 20: 49
        -2
        The S-70 has one drawback. It is not accepted for service. The documents defining its combat use are far from complete. The S-70 was made in one copy, and there is no question of mass production. Its speed is significantly lower than the speed of a fighter, which violates the principle of building a combat of the order of VVS.LA should be with equal performance characteristics.
    2. Varcom Offline Varcom
      Varcom (Vyacheslav Mongoose) 23 December 2021 19: 07
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      There is a scientific definition of near space, and there is its everyday understanding. When they talk about airplanes, the term "near space" means an altitude of 20 kilometers.
      https://zen.yandex.ru/video/watch/610d8512e71d0a5fcc32a32f
  3. Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
    Michael1950 (Michael) 27 November 2021 15: 34
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    Quote: Marzhetsky
    This means that your Americans are lying in their propaganda.

    - They lie, dog children! Make a fool of your brother. Misinforming "hamsters" all over the world, munching popcorn on their sofas ... laughing

    Infa taken from open sources. Or a free translation. One out of two.

    - I understand that you did not "invented it yourself", but it is highly undesirable to insert such "wild" gems into your articles - people might think that you agree with such nonsense! smile This discredits what is right next to it ... what
  4. Face Offline Face
    Face (Alexander Lik) 27 November 2021 15: 47
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    It is logical that it is better to make a s / w UAV out of a s / w fighter than a s / e fighter from a d / w UAV)
    I agree with the author.

    P.S. By the way, dear author, regarding my fantasies with pink elephants (stratospheric bombers):

    https://ria-ru.turbopages.org/turbo/ria.ru/s/20211125/stratolet-1760641791.html

    A bomber capable of circling the Earth, stuffed with miniature high-precision missiles, will solve almost any issue. And much cheaper and more promising than aircraft carriers, which today are like crossbows in the era of firearms.
    1. Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
      Michael1950 (Michael) 27 November 2021 16: 17
      +2
      A bomber capable of circling the Earth, stuffed with miniature high-precision missiles, will solve almost any issue. ...

      - With a nuclear power plant? Plus - real stealth ?! wink lol

      And much cheaper and more promising than aircraft carriers, which today are like crossbows in the era of firearms.

      - Deep notscience fiction.
      1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
        gunnerminer (gunner miner) 27 November 2021 20: 04
        -5
        Now in the military-industrial complex, the trend of fiction is important. Write about how it should be, and not about what is. Gorby style.
    2. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 29 November 2021 16: 47
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      I do not like Israeli "military experts", but here about your pink elephants they just drove
  5. S WITH Offline S WITH
    S WITH (N S) 27 November 2021 17: 14
    +1
    about near space - the Americans do not mean that their fighter must go into near space, they mean the ability to destroy targets in near space, well, they were shot down long ago by a satellite in low orbit, and our moment15 (with an anti-satellite Dagger) is capable of this.
    The 6th generation will be a 5th generation unmanned fighter with 1-2 engines, autonomous uavs su57 and su75 and will be the 6th generation of the Russian Federation, they will work in tandem with the Okhotnik uav (missile carrier)
    1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 27 November 2021 20: 02
      -3
      and our moment31 (with an anti-satellite Dagger) is capable of this.

      And with hypersonic. Whole regiments of the MiG-31K. Superbly guided by SKTs Liana, with dozens of satellites and ground optical stations. laughing
  6. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
    gunnerminer (gunner miner) 27 November 2021 20: 01
    -4
    laughing The success of the UAC is indisputable. Generation after generation, squadrons, regiments and divisions, Su-35S, Su-57, Su-75, and regiments of Il-78MD-90A, A-100 with radar with AFAR. And now the sixth generation almost on the way. Good long-awaited news. tongue
  7. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 27 November 2021 20: 11
    -1
    Oh, dropped the old fighter-UAV discussion and ran into a new article.

    But since the possibility of a VTOL aircraft greatly hinders the performance characteristics of a fighter, even a UAV, there is no need to talk about some kind of "vertical" of the 6th generation. Even a full-fledged 5th is not necessary.
    Neither speed (the "hunter" bomber is approximately equal in speed to the YAK141 fighter), nor stealth (the f35's surface is quickly destroyed in supersonic over the sea, they wrote)

    That the 6th generation will fly into space - these wishlist 5-10 years ago were also abandoned, they no longer flicker in profile articles ..

    All countries are still developing, according to the descriptions, a tailless stealth ... just using the developments on tailless UAVs
  8. Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
    Michael1950 (Michael) 28 November 2021 01: 17
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    Quote: S S
    about near space - the Americans do not mean that their fighter must go into near space, they mean the ability to destroy targets in near space, well, they were shot down long ago by a satellite in low orbit, and our moment15 (with an anti-satellite Dagger) is capable of this.

    - That is why a 6th generation fighter is not needed for such cases at all! Therefore, he does not need to "mold" these functions - the F-15EX will perfectly cope with them in the US Air Force.
  9. boriz Offline boriz
    boriz (boriz) 28 November 2021 22: 13
    +2
    This allows us to make an intermediate conclusion that it may not be advisable to make a "true wingman" for a supersonic fighter from the S-70.

    S / s UAV will lose in range and efficiency in comparison with subsonic.
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 29 November 2021 16: 49
      0
      It's just a UAV for various tasks, which was directly noted in the article.
  10. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 29 November 2021 16: 37
    0
    Quote: Sergey Latyshev
    Oh, dropped the old fighter-UAV discussion and ran into a new article.

    You imagine a lot about yourself
  11. zenion Offline zenion
    zenion (zinovy) 29 November 2021 16: 49
    0
    It can't be. Airplanes are not ships and they cannot go, they can scatter and fly. Then he falls and sits down. I have seen enough in my service how they get it in different stripes. Where I served, not a single plane crashed, so I was lucky for the whole regiment and similar to ours.
  12. Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
    Michael1950 (Michael) 30 November 2021 01: 46
    -1
    Quote: Marzhetsky
    I don't like Israeli "military experts" ...

    - And why do you not love me ?! laughing lol These are the only experts who do not allow the Russian "experts" to carry the "blizzard" uncontrollably ... wink
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 1 December 2021 15: 10
      0
      Not you specifically smile Are you an expert?
      I am very critical of both our and Western experts.
      1. Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
        Michael1950 (Michael) 1 December 2021 15: 42
        0
        Are you an expert?

        - Directly! laughing

        I am very critical of both our and Western experts.

        - But what are your reasons to treat me "critically"? smile
        1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
          Marzhecki (Sergei) 1 December 2021 15: 44
          0
          I don’t know you, I don’t know your level of competence. This is the first thing.
          Secondly, I am extremely cautious about the statements made by Israeli representatives about Russian weapons. You are not objective.
          1. Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
            Michael1950 (Michael) 1 December 2021 15: 52
            0
            I don’t know you, I don’t know your level of competence.

            - I graduated from the Barnaul VVAUL (front-line bomber aviation), then I served in the Chelyabinsk VVAUSh for 22 years, - a 1st class military pilot, flight commander, for the last 7 years - a lecturer at the department of aviation radio-electronic means, reserve lieutenant colonel, DMB -1995. The rest of the time, military aviation for me remains a "hobby for life." Therefore, yes: for half a century of thoughtful study of it, including 26 years of service in the SA / RA Air Force and having access to secret and Sov. secret technical descriptions, which, unlike all propaganda fakes, gave out real facts - I can say that I understand "something" in military aviation affairs. laughing lol (Don't ask me about tanks and submarines). And I do not need to suck up and grease, or be afraid that they will put me in jail, if something "I say wrong" ... lol