War for the islands: why does Russia need TAVRK and UDC in the Pacific Fleet


A while ago we concerned the possible further fate of the last Russian aircraft carrier "Admiral Kuznetsov" after the completion of the repair, suggesting that it would be expedient to transfer it to the Pacific Ocean. This was done in passing, therefore it is necessary to explain in detail why the TAVRK is really needed as part of the KTOF. After all, it is our Pacific people with a nonzero probability that it may be necessary to actually fight with opponents that are many times larger than it.


I mean, of course, Japan. This country did not accept the loss of the Kuriles, and the question of their return became a national idea there. After the introduction of amendments to the Basic Law of the Russian Federation in 2020 prohibiting the alienation of Russian territories, there is no longer any opportunity to peacefully settle this fundamental issue.

At the same time, it is especially annoying that Tokyo really has all the possibilities to seize and hold the Kuril Islands almost without hindrance. The Japanese Maritime Self-Defense Forces have 29 destroyers, as well as 10 URO destroyers, 6 frigates and 21 diesel-electric submarines. In addition, the Japanese converted two of their Izumo-class "destroyer-helicopter carriers" with a total displacement of 27 thousand tons into light aircraft carriers. Each can carry up to 28 aircraft, including up to 20 F-35B short takeoff and vertical landing (SCVVL) aircraft. In other words, Tokyo can form 2 carrier strike groups (AUG) or 1 carrier strike force (AUS), which will provide the Japanese fleet with complete air supremacy.

Also, the Land of the Rising Sun has several landing ships that can be used to capture the islands, and numerous modern anti-submarine aircraft. By the way, the Japanese have excellent modern means of fighting submarines (of course, ours). In addition, Tokyo has a large support fleet for landing and subsequent resupply.

Alas, but in reality we have little to oppose this naval power. There are only a few large surface ships at KTOF. This is the old missile cruiser "Varyag", the flagship that needs modernization for a long time, one old destroyer of the "Sarych" project, 3 BODs of the project 1155 and another frigate "Marshal Shaposhnikov", which became such after modernization from a large anti-submarine ship. That's all that poses a kind of threat from surface ships, the rest is trifles, like corvettes and missile boats, suitable for operations in the near sea zone. There are also 4 old large amphibious assault ships that know how to land troops directly ashore, in the tradition of landing in Normandy. Remember how the Germans met the allies then. Today, instead of a large landing ship for the implementation of such tasks, the UDC is much more relevant, but so far there is not a single one in the Russian Navy.

Yes, there is still quite an impressive submarine at KTOF, including SSBNs, which, if ordered, can wipe Japan off the face of the Earth. But will such a categorical order be issued? The paradox is that Russia can easily destroy Japan with strategic nuclear weapons, but is unable to defeat it by conventional conventional means. And it can play a very bad joke with us.

The Japanese can block the straits with the help of their aircraft carrier strike forces, their carrier-based fighters will not allow Russian ASW aircraft to operate, while covering their own powerful anti-submarine aircraft. Surface ships URO at KTOF in the literal sense of the word, one or two and missed. Its air defense will not be able to withstand a simultaneous missile and air strike. Let's call a spade a spade - this is Tsushima-2.

What can change the appearance of "Admiral Kuznetsov" in the Pacific Fleet? Quite a lot.

The heavy aircraft carrier is capable of carrying up to 24 helicopters and up to 28 aircraft. Helicopters are either anti-submarine Ka-27P, or shock Ka-52K, or strike landing Ka-29. Also, the air group may include Ka-31 (Ka-35) AWACS helicopters, which will perform reconnaissance functions and provide target designation data for Russian cruise, anti-ship and promising hypersonic missiles. Depending on the task at hand, "Admiral Kuznetsov" can be used to strengthen the anti-submarine warfare system or for air support for the landing on the islands.

In addition, let's not forget about his carrier-based aircraft. TAVRK carries light MiG-29K fighters and heavy Su-33 fighters. Despite the fact that these are not the newest aircraft, they can really set the heat on the Japanese F-35B SCVVP, which have weaker tactical and technical characteristics. In other words, only one heavy aircraft-carrying missile cruiser is able to nullify the total Japanese air superiority in the event of a potential conflict over the islands.

Undoubtedly, the TAVRK itself needs cover. To strengthen his order, it is necessary to deeply modernize all existing large surface ships KTOF, equip them with modern missile weapons and air defense systems. In addition, from 2023, the Russian Pacific Fleet will strengthen the first frigate of Project 22350 "Admiral Amelko". By the end of 2025, it is planned to send two more ultra-modern frigates of this series there. According to the statement of the Commander-in-Chief of the Navy, Admiral Nikolai Evmenov, KTOF will receive the latest UDC:

The surface component of the Pacific Fleet will be strengthened by the ongoing serial construction of Project 20380 and 20385 corvettes, Project 22350 frigates, and Project 22800 small missile ships.

Obviously, we are talking about the universal landing ship of project 23900 "Ivan Rogov", since its counterpart in the Mitrofan Moskalenko series will become the flagship of the Black Sea Fleet. The UDC deck will be able to accommodate 16 helicopters, anti-submarine or attack helicopters, which will also enhance the capabilities of the KTOF anti-submarine warfare against numerous Japanese diesel-electric submarines. In the worst case, the UDC can be used in conjunction with the TAVRK during the operation to liberate the captured islands. In any case, the RF Ministry of Defense must demonstrate to the "Japanese partners" the existence of such a possibility.

The foregoing allows us to conclude that "Admiral Kuznetsov" is really needed no longer in the Northern, but in the Pacific Fleet of the Russian Federation, where it is necessary to prepare the appropriate infrastructure for him and "Ivan Rogov" in advance.
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  1. Bulanov Offline Bulanov
    Bulanov (Vladimir) 26 November 2021 15: 25
    +1
    And what, Iskanders with a non-nuclear filling can be used at the place of decision-making?
    1. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 27 November 2021 12: 36
      -1
      Our President prefers multi-pass long-term combinations.
  2. Netyn Offline Netyn
    Netyn (Netyn) 26 November 2021 15: 45
    -3
    At the same time, it is especially annoying that Tokyo really has all the possibilities to seize and hold the Kuril Islands almost without hindrance.

    Starting an article with lies is not the best option.
    1. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 26 November 2021 17: 45
      0
      If you can, refute it with reason.
    2. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 26 November 2021 18: 15
      -5
      Compare the Japanese Navy and KTOF. The Eastern Military District can no longer be replenished with local reserves. Such is the level of population flight. And transport communications are very limited. Strike aviation, AWACS and U KTOF systems do not. PLO aviation is old and small in number.
    3. Dmitriev Offline Dmitriev
      Dmitriev (Kirill Dmitriev) 7 December 2021 12: 22
      0
      Where he lies, enlighten, for me everything is so correct.
  3. gorenina91 Offline gorenina91
    gorenina91 (Irina) 26 November 2021 15: 54
    -1
    War for the islands: why does Russia need TAVRK and UDC in the Pacific Fleet

    - The Mistrals (about which I personally constantly write) could be useful there - but, alas ... - But - together with the TAVRK - these Mistrals would represent a real force in that region ... - And there will be only one TAVRK there clearly not enough - and he himself will have to be very well covered ... - In general - what is there a lone TAVRK to do ??? - It will be very vulnerable ... - And why is there carrier-based aviation in general - our coastal aviation - can quite reach Japan itself ... - the combat radius allows it ... - And TAVRK - so and so - all the same They won't let you get closer - closer than the range of coastal aviation ... - So ... - there is not much difference ...
  4. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
    gunnerminer (gunner miner) 26 November 2021 16: 19
    -5
    Arguments on the topic of why Russia TAVRK and UDC in the Pacific Fleet are more suitable for the gymnastics of the mind. Nobody knows how long the great martyr TAVKR will be in the "repair." Nobody knows how long the construction of the UDC will take.

    another frigate "Marshal Shaposhnikov", which became such after modernization from a large anti-submarine ship

    Armed with 53-65K and SET-65III torpedoes, obsolete by the early 80s.

    Yes, there is still quite an impressive submarine at KTOF, including SSBNs, which, if ordered, can wipe Japan off the face of the Earth.

    Just one combat-ready MAPL 971B of the project for the entire KTOF. Not enough even for peacetime, to ensure the annual combat training plan of the KTOF. Not to mention the provision of the main activities of the SSBN. There are only two Varshavyanka 877 projects. One of them has been modernized according to the homeless version. This year, the RPKSN will not erase Japan as a nuclear power. There will be retaliatory strikes from a senior partner with nuclear weapons, while the Kremlin brothers are not ready to go to heaven on a nuclear horse.

    or shock Ka-52K, or shock landing Ka-29.

    They are easily knocked down by heavy rifle fire. The Afghan adventure and the Caucasian campaigns have demonstrated this. KTOF does not have strike naval aviation and an adequate number of fighters in the MA KTOF. To isolate the landing site or isolate a naval battle. The Su-35S, Su-30SM will be able to operate in the Kuril region. more than a couple of minutes. At the limit of the radius from the home airfields. And the Japanese crews need 5-7 minutes to reach the Kuriles.

    TAVRK carries light MiG-29K fighters and heavy Su-33 fighters.

    An extremely limited number. And without a reserve of trained pilots and technicians. The last combat service of the TAVKR disgracefully failed as soon as the commander of the aviigroup tried to organize a massive rise in aviation. Even the flight director showed unsatisfactory organizational skills.

    they can really set the heat on the Japanese F-35B SCVP, which have weaker tactical and technical characteristics.

    This can only be verified in combat. Pilots of the TAVKR air group by no means improve their skills by being content with a half-disassembled NITKA. Crews of the F-35B have a continuous information field, AWACS and U complexes, allowing them not to use the radar, or be content with the LPI mode. like a fire in the night steppe. Because they are made of metal. And they will have enough fuel for a couple of minutes.

    In other words, only one heavy aircraft-carrying missile cruiser is able to nullify the total Japanese air superiority in the event of a potential conflict over the islands.

    Such tales are not even told on TV Zvezda. Sea battle is complex. None of the Japanese signed a commitment not to use their submarines against the TAVKR. Or not to involve the Japanese aviation and destroyers for the strike.

    To strengthen his order, it is necessary to deeply modernize all existing large surface ships KTOF, equip them with modern missile weapons and air defense systems.

    Examples of modernization of SKR Neu
  5. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
    gunnerminer (gunner miner) 26 November 2021 16: 27
    -5
    To strengthen his order, it is necessary to deeply modernize all existing large surface ships KTOF, equip them with modern missile weapons and air defense systems.

    Examples of modernization of TFR Neustrashimy, BPK Shaposhnikov, TARKR Nakhimov clearly show that such modernization with the current capabilities of the economy is unrealistic, neither in time, nor in cost, nor technologically.

    In addition, from 2023, the Russian Pacific Fleet will strengthen the first frigate of Project 22350 "Admiral Amelko". By the end of 2025, it is planned to send two more ultra-modern frigates of this series there.

    News from the future. Gorby style. The promised frigates did not even lay down. And these are crumbs. Given the size of the KTOF operational zone. All ships at the same time cannot be in the same degree of operational readiness. Maximum 40% of the connection. Ship repair KTOF is poor and the rest. About him. the most patriotic Far Easterners are silent about modernization.

    According to the statement of the Commander-in-Chief of the Navy, Admiral Nikolai Evmenov, KTOF will receive the latest UDC:

    The admiral is disingenuous, bypassing the question of the conformity of the coastal and maritime infrastructure of KTOF, or rather, its backwardness from the Japanese, by 50 or even 100 years. The admiral is keeping quiet about the state of the KTOF Naval Aviation, the main strike force at sea. He is silent about the state of KTOF reconnaissance.
  6. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
    gunnerminer (gunner miner) 26 November 2021 16: 35
    -2
    The Japanese crews will reach smoking in 5-8 minutes. The Russian crews of the Su-35S and Su-30SM will be able to maneuver near the Kuriles for a maximum of 2 minutes. The Japanese did not give a subscription not to use submarines and destroyers against the TAVKR. The sea battle is complex. The F-35V crews have A continuous information field, AWACS and U complexes. Russian pilots are deprived of this support. The TAVKR aviation group uses a half-disassembled NITKA for training. The last combat service of the TAVKR showed a low level of air group organization. When trying to establish a massive rise in aviation, flights were disrupted. The combat service stopped, TAVKR ...

    To strengthen his order, it is necessary to deeply modernize all existing large surface ships KTOF, equip them with modern missile weapons and air defense systems.

    Modernization of TARKR Nakhimov, BPK Shaposhnikov, TFR Neustrashimy showed that the possibilities of the economy do not allow doing this.
  7. Marzhecki Online Marzhecki
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 26 November 2021 17: 14
    -1
    Quote: Netyn
    At the same time, it is especially annoying that Tokyo really has all the possibilities to seize and hold the Kuril Islands almost without hindrance.

    Starting an article with lies is not the best option.

    Who are you to judge this?
  8. gorenina91 Offline gorenina91
    gorenina91 (Irina) 26 November 2021 17: 22
    -1
    - Personally, I repeat again; that one should hope for coastal military aviation ... - And why is that not enough combat radius ??? - Quite enough - from the Kuril Islands and Sakhalin (and from the Russian coast, which is located opposite Japan ... enough combat radius "... - Yes, and the Japanese - will also fight not only with carrier-based aircraft ... - they will have the same" problems "... situation ... - And getting under the blows of Russian coastal missile anti-ship means of destruction - for the enemy's military floating craft - is much more problematic for these enemy floating crafts; than under the blows that these boats themselves can inflict on coastal anti-ship means of destruction ... - This is two big differences ...
    - And when these enemy floating craft flare up, then the carrier-based aviation will have nowhere to land; and smaller enemy watercrafts may even go to the bottom ... - Something like that ... - Well, ours won't be able, perhaps, to deliver such missile strikes on ships (and even from several sides). ..
    - Yes, even our satellites will be able to "lay out a detailed picture" of where and what these ships "are doing" ...
    - In short, who will be the first (and more successful) to throw RIAC missiles at whom (you can both "zircon" and "dagger" in the "case" - sorry - for cynicism) ...
    - So - all these "boats" and "airplanes" are "not the most important" and will soon become "yesterday" ...
    - But ... - my pluses to you, Mr. gunnerminer (gunnerminer) ...
    1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 26 November 2021 18: 26
      -3
      First of all, the economy and population of the Far East is brought to the zugunder. PTB suspended tanks are good for flying aircraft over long distances. Or for use against an enemy that does not have fighter aircraft and reconnaissance. PTB reduces the ammunition set, and sharply limits the maneuverable characteristics of the aircraft. BRAVs are limited to a range of 40 miles. They and combat exercises are performed annually at such ranges. Due to the lack of helicopter and aircraft complexes of external target designation. Japanese can use ammunition without entering the BRAV zone.
      Our satellites are few. SKTS Liana is not in service, and it is not known when it will enter service. There is no naval reconnaissance aircraft at KTOF.
      Zircon is at the testing stage. Not accepted for service. Its price will be high. The state of the KTOF is such that the presence of hundreds of GPRVZ missiles will become more of a burden. The Dagger complex is more of a psychological type of weapon. There are only three sets of weapons. It is incomplete. Without reconnaissance and external target designation, without refueling. is useless.
      1. gorenina91 Offline gorenina91
        gorenina91 (Irina) 26 November 2021 19: 00
        -4
        First of all, the economy and population of the Far East was brought to the level of zugunder.

        - Well yes...
        - But China still looms there - numerous and militarily awkward ... - And, although China is used to waiting - but recently, China has been "itching" for a long time and China wants to check its ridiculous military system - check it out like this - how would be "undercover" - when there is no "one-on-one" situation ... - So he can also harness himself ... - And how can he not harness - after all, then it turns out that China was frightened and "pretended that nothing is happening "(and this is in" his own region "!!!) ... But he (China) is also supposed to" annex "Taiwan ... - Yes, after such cowardice, Taiwan will simply" send China "and" not will surrender peacefully "- which is what China is dreaming of ... - And - in any case - how will everything go there (all this" annexation ") - that's what we need (just in case) military experience ...
        - Well, even the very fact that China will take part (albeit stupid) - this alone will force the Japanese to act with an eye on their tail ... - Yes, and North Korea - acts on Japan - like a boa constrictor on a rabbit .. - You can expect everything from her ... - But South Korea will not get into a fight (Koreans are on the side of the Japs - they are unlikely to fight) - here it (South Korea) can supply weapons - and this will end all its activities .. ...
        - So - here it is, and all this is very important ... - And the Americans obviously take part - it is also very, very problematic - tk. the Americans get two united opponents against themselves - Russia and China ... - And the Americans today are not eager to start a war like this ... - they need to at least "neutralize" Russia ...
        1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
          gunnerminer (gunner miner) 26 November 2021 19: 39
          -7
          IMHO, China will test its fists on Russia, beat the weakest. And the PRC needs minerals and fresh water in ever larger quantities. The PRC and the United States are long-standing and mutually beneficial partners. The US internal market needs the PRC. And during the Vladivostok summit, Chairman Xi said it was unattractive. the Russian domestic market for the PRC.
          1. gorenina91 Offline gorenina91
            gorenina91 (Irina) 26 November 2021 20: 05
            -4
            The PRC will test its fists on Russia and beat the weakest.

            - And very soon ...
            - The whole world is flapping its ears and pretending that there is no Chinese threat ... - And Russia has long ago voluntarily prepared to sacrifice itself - to be slaughtered to China ... - And in the current situation, absolutely nothing can be changed ...
            - Well, probably - when China starts doing everything with Russia that is considered genocide and a crime against humanity only in the world - then ... then ... then the world will catch itself and begin to unite against the world evil - China ... - and most likely - this world evil will triumph ... - But it won't make it easier for Russia ... - tk. there are no reversible processes in the world ... - And Russia can disappear into oblivion ...
            - In general, Russians today are the most vulnerable and dying out nation and radical measures are needed to stop this process ... - But with "present opportunities" - this is impossible ...
            - And China will accelerate the process of devastating the territory of Russia at times ... - and simply will not give Russia the opportunity - to somehow reverse this situation and find a way out of this situation (Russia could eventually find a way out) ... - but Russia just will not have time to do this - because China will simply "have time to exterminate" it ...
            1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
              gunnerminer (gunner miner) 26 November 2021 21: 44
              -6
              Russia as it stands is a tidbit for the CPC Central Committee.
              1. gorenina91 Offline gorenina91
                gorenina91 (Irina) 27 November 2021 04: 09
                -2
                Russia as it stands is a tidbit for the CPC Central Committee.

                - Yes ... - exactly ... - a tidbit - which itself voluntarily asks for China in its mouth - "eat me" ...
                - My plus ...
  9. Cat Offline Cat
    Cat (Sergei) 26 November 2021 23: 58
    +1
    I may be wrong, but at the Pacific Fleet we can get an extraordinary strike group consisting of the Admiral Nakhimov TARK and the Admiral Kuznetsov light air defense aircraft carrier already in 2023. Nakhimov will carry several dozen Zircon-S hypersonic anti-ship missiles, and Kuznetsov will cover it with his fighter aircraft. It is clear that they should be based in Petropavlovsk Kamchatsky. So such a unit already has an escort as part of the Pacific Fleet, these are the latest corvettes. And the old BODs will also serve. So not everything is so sad ...
    1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 27 November 2021 00: 05
      -5
      I may be wrong, but at the Pacific Fleet we can get an extraordinary strike group as part of the Admiral Nakhimov TARK and the Admiral Kuznetsov light air defense aircraft carrier already in 2023

      Why such optimistic conclusions? TARKR Nakhimov is mired in 10 years of repairs, TAVKR too. These ships have nothing to provide PLO.

      Nakhimov will carry several dozen hypersonic anti-ship missiles Zirkon-S

      Fantasies. Who and what will issue target designation? There is no reconnaissance at KTOF. Not in any form. Until Zircon is ready, like on a donkey to the Moon. Corvettes are ships of the coastal strip. Seaworthiness restrictions, especially in the autumn-winter period, and even in the Sea of ​​Okhotsk. The BOD is not very well equipped.
      1. gorenina91 Offline gorenina91
        gorenina91 (Irina) 27 November 2021 04: 30
        -2
        Why such optimistic conclusions? TARKR Nakhimov is mired in 10 years of repairs, TAVKR too. These ships have nothing to provide PLO.

        - Well, yes ... - Russia - so zealously and devoutly invested enormous amounts of money on the construction of the Power of Siberia pipe (which turned out to be an absolute disastrous fake - and today they are all the same - colossal funds are going to be spent on the construction of Power Siberia-2 ") - instead of somehow raising the Far East and the production of modern weapons - that today Russia can easily get a situation - a'la 1904-1905 -" the heroic defense of Port Arthur "and" the heroic Tsushima battle "... - Practically -" the situation of 1904-1905 "was" repeated "+ also China, which uses Russia as it wants ... - And then (in 1904-1905) .. - such a threat from China - more was not ... - So today the situation for Russia is even more complicated ...
        - My pluses ...
        1. Sergeyjluf Offline Sergeyjluf
          Sergeyjluf (Sergei) 27 November 2021 07: 37
          +1
          Man lied!
          Under the contract with China, Gazprom is committed to supplying 99% pure methane.

          At the Amur GPP, raw natural gas will undergo purification and receive methane at the exit, which will be exported to China.
          The plant will consist of six processing lines. Commissioning of the first two lines in 2021. The rest of the lines will be introduced sequentially until the end of 2024. Thus, it is planned to bring the plant to full design capacity from 2025.
          Deloitte experts analyzed the "Business and Financial Climate of the Far Eastern Region" and estimated the gross regional product at the end of 2017 at 3,9 trillion rubles. - 5,5% of the all-Russian GDP. There is no new data yet. Do you understand statistics !!!
          So not all natural wealth goes to China!
          1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
            gunnerminer (gunner miner) 27 November 2021 10: 06
            -4
            Great words will be if Russia has become a raw material appendage of economically successful China.
        2. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
          gunnerminer (gunner miner) 27 November 2021 10: 04
          -5
          The power of Siberia will pay off in 80 years if the PRC continues to buy Russian gas.
          1. Sergeyjluf Offline Sergeyjluf
            Sergeyjluf (Sergei) 27 November 2021 10: 15
            +1
            And how many years will Nord Stream 2 pay off? And Gazprom supposedly still give investments to 4 investors?
            Ask in the internet how many "delicious" will be produced at the Amur GPP? Where should this profit be counted?
            1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
              gunnerminer (gunner miner) 27 November 2021 10: 20
              -4
              In the EU, gas is sold for 30-40 dollars more. Probably in 40-50 years. The Turkish stream is also not so hot with a profit. They planned 4 pipes, but it turned out 2. Even the troops were brought into the former SAR, they scared Erdogan, forced to buy gas at Gazprom's prices.
              1. Sergeyjluf Offline Sergeyjluf
                Sergeyjluf (Sergei) 27 November 2021 12: 11
                -1
                It's hard to argue with not economists but politicians! Even on the website, economists say that the non-working SP-2 has paid for itself. And here again 40-50 years. Where is the rationale? Especially read about Poland's groans at the price of gas?
                1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                  gunnerminer (gunner miner) 27 November 2021 12: 23
                  -3
                  The calculation of the payback period should take into account, first of all, such a factor as the price of gas.
                  In a pessimistic scenario, namely, with a gas price of $ 110 per 1000 cubic meters with a delivery volume of 55 billion cubic meters per year, Gazprom's budget will receive at least $ 6 billion.
                  In this case, the payback period will be about 10-14 years. But taking into account the delays and unpredictable behavior of the new government of Germany, the payback period is 40-50 years. Especially if you remember the summer before last. Holders of Gazprom shares should tighten their belts. The company's profit attributable to shareholders fell 2020 times in the first half of 25. In absolute terms, the gap is also impressive: 32,9 billion rubles against 836,5 billion for the same period in 2019. This follows from the company's IFRS reporting. The reason for this situation is in more than modest indicators of Gazprom. Its semi-annual revenue decreased by almost 1,5 times compared to last year - from 4 trillion. rubles to 2,9 trillion. Net proceeds from gas sales decreased by 35% - by 753 billion rubles - and amounted to 1,3 trillion. Basically, these indicators are associated with a decrease in average prices and volumes of gas sold in the “Europe and other countries” segment, the company said.
                  The US debt is internal, and Gazprom is dragging money from the budget.
                  On the side, no one gives them anymore, because they do not believe.
                  At Gazprom, starting in May the gas war with the European Union, they had little doubts about their, if not quick, but complete victory by October-November. It was assumed that it would be possible to force the EU not only to legalize Nord Stream 2, but also to buy "the world's cheapest gas" at a price four times higher than its cost and bypassing Ukraine. But on July 15, when the European Court of Justice ordered Gazprom to fill Nord Stream 1 with only half of its gas, it became obvious that the blitzkrieg is failing and the situation is rife with variable quantities. Gazprom has now surpassed itself in ripping off consumers, and Merkel lucky that she is not obliged, like Tymoshenko, to conclude direct and long-term contracts with him. The Kremlin could trumpet about the major victory of the Russian pipe, as a special kind of troops, over Germany and the whole of united Europe. At the same time over Ukraine, which is walking by itself under the external control of the United States. They try to trumpet, but listlessly and uncertainly. Even in completely propaganda publications, obliged to live in worlds parallel to reality and wage an eternal battle there with someone. There are more than enough reasons for uncertainty.
                  1. Sergeyjluf Offline Sergeyjluf
                    Sergeyjluf (Sergei) 27 November 2021 12: 26
                    +1
                    Where is the result for 3 quarters of 2021?
                    1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 27 November 2021 19: 44
                      -3
                      They write. As soon as possible ..
                2. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                  gunnerminer (gunner miner) 27 November 2021 12: 25
                  -3
                  Stuffing its pockets with Gazprom in January and February 2021 already looked like selling bread at exorbitant prices for famine. Especially considering the fact that Gazprom's tankers at that time were carrying liquefied gas from Yamal to Asian markets, where there was no sharp cold snap, but prices were higher than in Europe. The EU didn’t talk about the Cold Morning attempt, but the sediment remained. The Kremlin and Gazprom were going to blackmail the EU in the fall. European companies trading in wholesale gas understood the court's idea correctly, and the prices of gas futures from Gazprom for August delivery rolled back. It looks like these precious futures have ended up in the vaults of Gazprom-affiliated firms and just its gasket firms. This made the already confusing accounting department of Gazprom and its supplements even more confusing. The inflated July price rush has already hit the reputation of Gazprom and Russia hard, and will soon hit the entire system of settlements in it, which could provoke its technical bankruptcy.
                  1. Sergeyjluf Offline Sergeyjluf
                    Sergeyjluf (Sergei) 27 November 2021 12: 31
                    0
                    What are Gazprom tankers? LNG gas was transported to the Asian market by Novatek tankers, and these are different companies! Don't talk nonsense!
                    1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                      gunnerminer (gunner miner) 27 November 2021 19: 41
                      -3
                      Different companies with the same tasks. Gazpromflot has one for the time being the LNG LNG carrier "Portovy".
            2. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
              gunnerminer (gunner miner) 27 November 2021 11: 31
              -3
              On the topic of the post, until 1991, there were 350 ships in the Far Eastern Shipping Company (Far Eastern Shipping Company). A powerful source of storage for command personnel for KTOF. And a stream of ships for military transport. And now Muscovites have left the ersatz FESCO, horns and legs, from the Far Eastern Shipping Company. Premiere of the loser scout Fradkov.
              1. Sergeyjluf Offline Sergeyjluf
                Sergeyjluf (Sergei) 27 November 2021 12: 16
                0
                If you are the owner of 10 hectares of land and 10 people worked for you with shovels and rakes. You have made a profit and the opportunity to purchase a tractor and a machine operator who will handle these 10 hectares alone. Will you insist on these 10 people? Of course I'm exaggerating!
                1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                  gunnerminer (gunner miner) 27 November 2021 19: 43
                  -3
                  Not good at organizing agricultural work. Better 10 sober than 20 unpredictable drunks.
                  1. Sergeyjluf Offline Sergeyjluf
                    Sergeyjluf (Sergei) 28 November 2021 11: 39
                    0
                    "On their own people are not judged". Judging by your statement, you belong to 20 drunks !!!!!!
              2. gorenina91 Offline gorenina91
                gorenina91 (Irina) 27 November 2021 12: 29
                -4
                gunnerminer (gunnerminer)

                - My pluses to you, Mr. gunnerminer (gunnerminer) ...
                - Perhaps that - you are the only one who really evaluates the situation here ... - I just have no time to develop a discussion ...
                - So - I can only support you with pluses ...
                1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                  gunnerminer (gunner miner) 27 November 2021 19: 43
                  -3
                  Thank you. Good luck and good luck!