In the US, told about the "mode of the beast" of the F-35 fighter


Many people think that the F-35 is only meant to intercept enemy warplanes and air combat. But it is a multi-role fighter that can also be used for massive bombing strikes on the ground, writes 19fortyfive columnist Brent M. Eastwood.


This capability is known as "beast mode", when the aircraft uses ammunition not only from the internal compartments, but also from the external hardpoints.

- said the expert.

He explained that "beast mode" is different from "stealth mode". Typically, F-35s use up to 2,6 tons of ammunition only from the internal compartments in order to maintain maximum stealth for enemy radars. However, missions are different. Sometimes you have to sacrifice stealth and turn the F-35 into a real bomber.


The expert clarified that in "stealth mode", when it is necessary to remain as unnoticed as possible for the enemy's radar, the F-35 is armed with 4 AIM-120 AMRAAM Advanced medium-range air-to-air missiles. When it comes to sneaking past enemy radars and hitting the ground, the F-35 is adding two more high-precision Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM) bombs weighing more than 900 kg each.

In "beast mode", when the enemy missile defense does not pose a threat, the F-35 can carry almost 10 tons of ammunition. At this moment, he is devoid of stealth, but has the maximum impact potential. As a fighter, it can be armed with 14 AMRAAM missiles and 2 AIM-9 Sidewinder missiles, and as a bomber with 2 AMRAAM missiles, 6 JDAM bombs and 2 Sidewinder missiles.

  • Photos Used: US Air Force
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  1. Panikovsky Offline Panikovsky
    Panikovsky (Mikhail Samuelevich Panikovsky) 23 November 2021 20: 19
    +5
    F-35B cruising speed 850 km per hour, range 865 km, flight duration 2 hours 36 minutes. With a full bomb load of up to 9 tons, it loses the stealth factor. Whom can he bomb with such indicators in the conditions of echeloned air defense? Not impressive. The Russian theater of operations is not for this airplane.
    1. Igor Pavlovich (Igor Pavlovich) 23 November 2021 20: 27
      -5
      For the literate they wrote -

      when the enemy missile defense is not a threat, the F-35 can carry almost 10 tons of ammunition. At this moment, he is devoid of stealth, but has the maximum impact potential.
      1. 123 Online 123
        123 (123) 23 November 2021 23: 48
        +2
        when the enemy missile defense is not a threat, the F-35 can carry almost 10 tons of ammunition. At this moment, he is devoid of stealth, but has the maximum impact potential.

        It will go to the Papuans' heads. yes Libya, Ukraine, maybe some other Nigeria, there will be a ride.
      2. Panikovsky Offline Panikovsky
        Panikovsky (Mikhail Samuelevich Panikovsky) 24 November 2021 15: 37
        +1
        Yes, you are right, I missed the last paragraph. Plus from me.
  2. Guest throat bone 23 November 2021 21: 14
    +6
    In short, only for attacks on peaceful objects ...
  3. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 23 November 2021 22: 22
    -3
    And, again, a link to the Omerovsky early-maturing amateurs, "observers"
    But in reality, on the wiki it could be read from the very beginning,

    There are apparently no sensible prophets and professionals in their homeland, only "ekperdy"

    The thing is that the small, single-engine F35 stealth bomber can carry almost as much as the hefty 2-engine Su 34.
    And there are many of them.
    1. YES UZH Offline YES UZH
      YES UZH (YES) 24 November 2021 07: 12
      0
      You need to be a complete woodpecker to compare aircraft of different generations and be surprised
    2. mark1 Offline mark1
      mark1 24 November 2021 07: 55
      +1
      Quote: Sergey Latyshev
      the F35 single-engine stealth bomber can carry almost as much as the hefty 2-engine Su 34.

      Where "can you drag"?
  4. zzdimk Offline zzdimk
    zzdimk 23 November 2021 22: 54
    +1
    Beast Mode: Really scary to read. Only they have Hunter Biden, thanks to which they will not be able to build US engines. The f135 combustion chamber (this is the f35 engine) was made using cobalt, and the president’s son sold the strategically important deposit to the Chinese.
  5. 123 Online 123
    123 (123) 23 November 2021 23: 44
    +6
    This is nothing new.
    Lada in beast mode


    Moped in beast mode


    And then just the same brutal atrocity.

  6. Just a cat Offline Just a cat
    Just a cat (Bayun) 24 November 2021 07: 54
    +3
    "beast mode" when the enemy is not a threat? this is the "Ukrainian" regime - to fight with women ... stupid, fat and "merciless" ...
  7. Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
    Michael1950 (Michael) 24 November 2021 16: 40
    -5
    Quote: YES UZH
    You need to be a complete woodpecker to compare aircraft of different generations and be surprised

    - Su-34 is being produced at the present time. And they talk about it as a great achievement of Rosaviaprom ...
  8. Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
    Michael1950 (Michael) 24 November 2021 16: 44
    -5
    Quote: Just Cat
    "beast mode" when the enemy is not a threat? this is the "Ukrainian" regime - to fight with women ... stupid, fat and "merciless" ...

    - "Beast mode" - this is when the F-22 and cruise missiles destroyed all the main air defense of the enemy, and the F-35 in stealth mode. Took out all the smaller air defense. This is when the fourth generation aircraft - F-4E, F-15EX, F-15, F-16 - go ahead, and then the F-18, "in the beast mode", goes ahead. Not earlier! lol
  9. alexey alexeyev_2 (Alexey Alekseev) 24 November 2021 17: 59
    +4
    He will be pretty bad when he meets a normal air defense system. The villains do not run the risk of running into Syria. fellow
    1. zenion Offline zenion
      zenion (zinovy) Yesterday, 16: 34
      0
      But he needs to be injected with rabies in the beast mode.
  10. shadow Offline shadow
    shadow 25 November 2021 01: 49
    +3
    Yes, he has already taken off in "beast mode" from a British aircraft carrier. They are still trying to bring it back, but they cannot: it bites.
  11. Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
    Michael1950 (Michael) 25 November 2021 16: 38
    -5
    Quote: alexey alexeyev_2
    He will be pretty bad when he meets a normal air defense system. The villains do not run the risk of running into Syria. fellow

    - This is what the Banderaites told you. They love to tell fables about Jews ... laughing lol F-35Is operate throughout Syria, "from edge to edge" ...
    1. shadow Offline shadow
      shadow 25 November 2021 20: 21
      +5
      In the absence of a fifth-generation fighter, the Russian Aerospace Forces relied on the 35 ++ generation Su-4S heavy fighter. This fighter is by far the most powerful combat aircraft of the Russian military aviation, moreover, it can easily detect stealth aircraft (stealth fighters) of the enemy. Writes about this the author of an article for the American edition of Military Watch Magazine.

      The Su-35S is, in fact, the latest modification of the Soviet Su-27 fighter, the author writes in the US media. However, in comparison with the base model, the new Russian aircraft has advanced very far and can compete even with fifth-generation fighters. According to reports, the Russian Aerospace Forces have ordered about 200 Su-35S and purchases can only increase amid delays in the production of the Su-57 fighter.

      The Su-35S can fight on equal terms with fifth-generation fighters, thanks to its radars it "sees" stealth fighters. Three of them are installed on the aircraft - this is the Irbis-E with a passive phased array, which allows detecting targets at a distance of 400 km and two additional radars installed in the leading edge of the aircraft wings. These two active phased array (AFAR) radars provide an increased viewing angle and perfectly, so to speak, see subtle targets, including stealth aircraft. In addition, the Su-35 has a powerful optical radar station OLS-35.

      An example of Russian Su-35s seeing stealth fighters is Syria, where Russian aircraft have successfully spotted fifth-generation American fighters, the author writes.

      Russia has supplied Su-35 fighters to China and Egypt, but the question arises whether such radars are also available in the export version of the aircraft. If they are installed, then the threat of detection of American stealth aircraft may arise from these countries. To date, this fighter has not been exported anywhere else, the author sums up.
      1. Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
        Michael1950 (Michael) 25 November 2021 20: 49
        -6
        The Su-35S can fight on equal terms with fifth-generation fighters, thanks to its radars it "sees" stealth fighters.

        - The fact that the Su-35 "can fight on equal terms with fighters of the 5th generation" is just stupid nonsense of ignorant laymen ...

        1. shadow Offline shadow
          shadow 25 November 2021 23: 07
          +5
          And in my opinion you are talking nonsense.
          Even the Americans admitted it.
          1. Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
            Michael1950 (Michael) 26 November 2021 02: 34
            -5
            Take a magnifying glass in your hands and look at the drawing - it from Americans... And which Americans "recognized" the nonsense that you are talking about - no one knows ...
            But I'll tell you even funnier thing: in this picture, the Americans gave the Su-35 a huge head start! In reality, the range of detection by them that the F-22, that the F-35 in the front hemisphere is about 9 kilometers... TOTAL! lol
            Just don't faint ...
            1. shadow Offline shadow
              shadow 26 November 2021 03: 30
              +3
              You need to take this magnifying glass, although even it will not help you. You are unable to understand information.
              https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/su35-triple-radars-detect-stealth
            2. shadow Offline shadow
              shadow 26 November 2021 03: 33
              +3
              And yes, where did you get that from? Have the tests been carried out? The Americans even refused to sell their invisible devices to Turkey, otherwise it will suddenly become clear that they are visible. And can you tell me who and when conducted such tests? And then it looks like bullshit from you.
  12. Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
    Michael1950 (Michael) 26 November 2021 12: 04
    -7
    Quote: Shadows
    You need to take this magnifying glass, although even it will not help you. You are unable to understand information.
    https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/su35-triple-radars-detect-stealth

    - Because Russian advertising data reprinted in english, they remain so advertising data... laughing lol
    When you start to delve into them deeper, deeper, deeper - amazing things are revealed! tongue
  13. Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
    Michael1950 (Michael) 26 November 2021 12: 19
    -7
    Quote: Shadows
    In the absence of a fifth-generation fighter, the Russian Aerospace Forces relied on the 35 ++ generation Su-4S heavy fighter.

    - So in Russia there is no 5th generation fighter, what else to "bet" on ?! For the 4th generation. But this is a deliberately disastrous undertaking.... Fighter of the 5th generation covers the fighter of the 4th "like a bull to a sheep"!

    This fighter is by far the most powerful combat aircraft of the Russian military aviation, moreover, it can easily detect stealth aircraft (stealth fighters) of the enemy.
    Writes about this the author of an article for the American edition of Military Watch Magazine.

    - This is a stupid lie, albeit in English.

    An example of Russian Su-35s seeing stealth fighters is Syria, where Russian aircraft have successfully spotted fifth-generation American fighters, the author writes.

    - When one of a pair of F-22 patrolmen comes close to a pair of Su-25s trying to bomb the Kurds and drives them out of there under the threat of being shot, an Su-35 running nearby can see the F-22 even with the naked eye. only all the pilots of the Aerospace Forces there understand that the second F-16 is hanging somewhere a little to the side at an altitude of 22 kilometers, which is not visible (Luneberg lens block removed)controlling the situation while the first F-22 disperses the intruders, and this second has 8 air-to-air missiles on board ... wink

    Russia has supplied Su-35 fighters to China and Egypt, but the question arises whether such radars are also available in the export version of the aircraft.

    - Of course there are.

    If they are installed, then the threat of detection of American stealth aircraft may arise from these countries.

    - Dream, dream! lol

    To date, this fighter has not been exported anywhere else, the author sums up.

    - Just a week ago, the Egyptians, who bought both the Su-35 and Rafali, arranged a duel between them - with a training and test purpose. Su-35 "blew" Rafal all battles "dry", "zero"! This "medical fact" has become the property of the whole world - except for you, of course ... wink
    Take a look at Google, there it is ...
    1. shadow Offline shadow
      shadow 26 November 2021 13: 35
      +4
      Well, your lies based on nothing is the delirium of a madman. And you can keep your Wishlist with you.
      And here is how it really was.

      On this day, the Su-25 attack aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces struck the positions of militants in the Meyadin area. Suddenly, the US Air Force F-22 fighter intervened in our aircraft. "Raptor" dangerously maneuvered, released heat traps. After some time, as specified in the Russian Ministry of Defense, the American pilot began to produce brake flaps with constant maneuvering, simulating an air battle. In response, the Russian command sent the Su-25 fighter to the Su-22 and F-35 confrontation area. His appearance for the American side was very unexpected. F-22 increased speed and retired from Syrian airspace to Iraq.

      Keep your Wishlist with you.
      And about Raphael, too, lies. Your Wishlist.
      Here's what they write.

      A photo of Su-35 multipurpose fighters at the site of the Komsomolsk-on-Amur Aviation Plant has appeared on the Web. The batch of Russian aircraft is allegedly destined for the Egyptian Air Force.
      The picture was published on the VKontakte social network in the "War of Syria Donbass Ukraine" blog. There is no description for the photo, there is a caption as follows: "Photos of the Su-35S for the Egyptian Air Force have leaked into the network. The first batch of birds is already ready, and is waiting for its new owner." Where this information comes from, there is no explanation. The picture itself shows at least three fighters with covers that cover the nose together with the cockpit and air intakes. There are no identification marks on the aircraft.

      We emphasize that Cairo does not officially confirm the conclusion of a contract for Russian Su-35s, although rumors about this have been circulating since 2019. Moreover, the US State Department "pressed" on Egypt twice under this deal, demanding that it abandon the purchase of aircraft. Recently in the Polish press there was a note about air combat between the Russian Su-35 and the French Rafale, both aircraft from the Egyptian Air Force. It was argued that the Russian fighter lost to the French. Egypt did not comment on this message in any way.

      So where does the Su-35 come from in Egypt, even if Cairo does not officially confirm the conclusion of the contract?
      Again a lie.
      And the Su-57 is not there, or what? He has already begun to enter the troops. But, as always, you are not in the know. Only you write your Wishlist.
      And only you write lies. And I proved it.
      1. Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
        Michael1950 (Michael) 26 November 2021 17: 35
        -7
        -This semi-official phuflogonia has nothing to do with reality. Everything was as I wrote above. And, the most important nuance: US patrol aircraft never do one-by-one patrols. Only a couple!
        The American command warned the Russian group that Russian aircraft are prohibited from bombing any ground targets in the Kurdish territories - to the right of the Tigris and Euphrates rivers.


        Violators will be shot down.
        Syrian planes in that zone will be shot down without warning.
        And you will laugh again: neither the aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces work there, nor the aviation of Bashar al-Assad flies there. The incident described in different ways - just from this series: the Su-25 of the Aerospace Forces wanted to bomb someone there, - the F-22 went down close to them and drove them out of there. They kicked off in a moment - you want to live.
        And the humoresque about the Russian Su-35, which "threw himself with his chest at the F-22" - tell me in kindergarten, they hanged the kids.
        1. shadow Offline shadow
          shadow 26 November 2021 20: 06
          +5
          I already wrote to you and proved that this is all you wrote is bullshit, but you don’t perceive the information. Give you at least 10 loops, zero sense.
          And again I will write again. That there is no contract for the SU-35 with Egypt. This has been said. And accordingly, he could not be there. And what is written and rewritten by all and sundry is all garbage - propaganda.
          Rosoboronexport denies having a contract for the supply of the Su-35 to Egypt.
          The fact that Russia is ready to supply Egypt with multifunctional Su-35 fighters, but the corresponding contract has not yet been signed, today, on March 26, the deputy head of the ROE Sergey Kornev told Interfax. “There will be a contract for the Su-35, we will share this information. In the future, we would be interested in cooperating with Egypt and other partners across the entire aviation spectrum, including the supply of the Su-35, "he said at the Lima-2019 defense exhibition in Malaysia.
          Besides, where is the original source of the Polish article? There is no primary source in the Polish article itself. Where did they get this information from? Themselves have come up with. So, that is a lie again.
          Go ahead.
          Many media outlets write that the Su-35 was delivered to Egypt, referring to the Israel Defense article. Only in this article there is no primary source on the Russian military-industrial complex, which is being written about. Again a lie.
          As already stated above: Rosoboronexport denies having a contract for the supply of Su-35 to Egypt.
          So what kind of supplies are we talking about?
          Yeah, they don't work, they don't fly. Then how did the SU-25 end up there? You lie, but don't lie.
          Again, you were drawn to lies.
          Officially, only the December 9 reported the incident to the Russian Ministry of Defense. The reason was the accusation by the Pentagon that our combat aircraft dangerously approaching American machines in the sky of Syria. Meanwhile, reports of the Rook and Raptor maneuvers have long appeared on several American and Arab online resources. Until 9 December, these sources were not taken seriously, but now the information was confirmed by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.
          And the Pentagon yells only when it burns. And to see it burned badly.
          So what I wrote is true, otherwise the Pentagon would not have burned.
        2. shadow Offline shadow
          shadow 26 November 2021 21: 13
          +5
          As for the SU-57. To date, 4 aircraft have been delivered. Such planes as pies are not baked. Although, they are made, but in fact it turns out Fuflik 35, which normally cannot even fly at supersonic: the tail falls off.

          Meanwhile, back in 1990, the US Air Force historian Richard P. Hollion proposed a more stringent classification of fighters, according to which speed is the key indicator for identifying a generation.
          So, for the first generation - it is 0,75 × 0,85 Max, for the second - 0,90 × 1,05 Max, for the third - 1,05 × 1.3 Max, for the fourth - 1.3 × 2.0 Max, and for the fifth up to 1.4? 2,5 Max. In other words, the F-35 pulled, at most, 4+, but thanks to its "invisibility" it was dragged by the ears into the 5th generation and under this sauce is successfully sold to many countries at crazy prices.
          Hollion, apparently, proceeded from the fact that it was the speed that would determine the filling of the aircraft, since the creation of more powerful engines entailed a new hull and filling. Well, a fighter cannot fly, say, at Mach 2,5, if it does not have an aerodynamic design to match the engine and, of course, a space tracking radar in high-speed flight conditions. If the aircraft manufacturer achieves these targets, it is logical to assume that the engineers in his country will be smart enough to do the rest: computer control for piloting in supersonic, high-precision missiles and bombs, resistance to extreme overloads, and so on.
  14. Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
    Michael1950 (Michael) 27 November 2021 00: 06
    -3
    Quote: Shadows
    I already wrote to you and proved that this is all you wrote is bullshit, but you don’t perceive the information. Give you at least 10 loops, zero sense.
    And again I will write again. That there is no contract for the SU-35 with Egypt. This has been said. And accordingly, he could not be there. And what is written and rewritten by all and sundry is all garbage - propaganda.
    Rosoboronexport denies having a contract for the supply of the Su-35 to Egypt.
    That Russia is ready to supply Egypt with multifunctional Su-35 fighters, but the corresponding contract has not yet been signed, today, March 26, the agency "Interfax" said the deputy head of the ROE Sergei Kornev. “There will be a contract for the Su-35, we will share this information. In the future, we would be interested in cooperating with Egypt and other partners across the entire aviation spectrum, including the supply of the Su-35, ”he said at the Lima-2019 defense exhibition in Malaysia.
    Besides, where is the original source of the Polish article? There is no primary source in the Polish article itself. Where did they get this information from? Themselves have come up with. So, that is a lie again.

    - Today is NOT March 26, crazy, today is November 26, 2021.
    They just cannot believe that Rafal was able to defeat the Su-35, because for years all Russian official sources hammered into their heads the idea of ​​"the incredible advantage of Russian aircraft."
    But this is just a traditional propaganda lie that shatters to smithereens at the first encounter with reality.
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    3. shadow Offline shadow
      shadow 27 November 2021 00: 56
      +2
      Do you even see what I am writing, or do I have to write 3 times for those who are especially stubborn?

      And what if today is November and not March?
      There was no more official information about the SU-35's contracts to Egypt since that time. Consequently, there are no contracts either.
      I threw all sorts of stupid links. But the fact that in the primary source, to which they all refer, is a Polish newspaper, which is not known where it got this news: there is no link to the Egyptian Air Force, you are not able to understand. The question arises: where did they get it, because everywhere it is written that the Polish newspaper took this news from Egypt, but there is no link to this Egyptian source in the Polish article. So it's all a lie.
      Next.
      Many media outlets write that the Su-35 was delivered to Egypt, referring to the Israel Defense article. Only in this article there is no primary source on the Russian military-industrial complex, which is being written about. Again, the invention of the narrow-minded.
      And the fact that you threw so many links for me here shows only one thing - you have nothing to cover.
      After all, I correctly wrote that give you at least 10 loops, but there will be zero sense, tk. you are not able to perceive information. Well, who is to blame for this? Certainly not me. You have to be more adequate.
  15. Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
    Michael1950 (Michael) 27 November 2021 00: 24
    -1
    Quote: Shadows
    As for the SU-57. To date, 4 aircraft have been delivered. Such planes as pies are not baked. Although, they are made, but in fact it turns out Fuflik 35, which normally cannot even fly at supersonic: the tail falls off.

    - Don't make the audience laugh, a bunch of countries, including Israel, which is howling endlessly, can't get enough of the F-35, but you're carrying a blizzard ...

    Meanwhile, back in 1990, the US Air Force historian Richard P. Hollion proposed a more stringent classification of fighters, according to which speed is the key indicator for identifying a generation.
    So, for the first generation - it is 0,75 × 0,85 Max, for the second - 0,90 × 1,05 Max, for the third - 1,05 × 1.3 Max, for the fourth - 1.3 × 2.0 Max, and for the fifth up to 1.4? 2,5 Max.

    - Well, so one stupid person - offered, a hundred - picked up! So - the 5th generation - MiG-25, release 1964 of the year! 6 March 1964. Again "ahead of the whole planet!"

    In other words, the F-35 pulled, at most, 4+, but thanks to its "invisibility" it was dragged by the ears into the 5th generation and under this sauce is successfully sold to many countries at crazy prices.

    Generations of fighters from normal specialists are determined by their combat effectiveness and nothing else... Those. how many victories in a duel situation a generation fighter N will be able to defeat the generation fighter N-1... NO OTHER CRITERIA.

    Hollion, apparently, proceeded from the fact that it was the speed that would determine the filling of the aircraft, since the creation of more powerful engines entailed a new hull and filling.

    - What is the filling of the MiG-25 model 1964? When Belenko hijacked the MiG-25 to Japan and they began to dismantle it (previously flying three-shift teams of American testers for three days), the Westerners could not recover from amazement at the avionics standing on it! They whinnied, cried, laughed again ...
    your Richard P. Hollion ...
    1. Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
      Michael1950 (Michael) 27 November 2021 00: 28
      -2
      - Yes, and the Egyptians ordered more than two dozen Su-35s. The first five have been delivered, the rest are on the way (possibly already delivered too). If only Egypt, following the results of the new battles of the Su-35 with the Rafals, does not refuse part of the purchases of the Su-35 ... And the training battles between them will undoubtedly continue, "do not go to the fortuneteller"... And we all learn a lot of new and interesting ... laughing lol
      1. shadow Offline shadow
        shadow 27 November 2021 00: 46
        +2
        Yeah, they can't get enough of it when they've already lost one. Or do you not know as always? The bird knocked down. Yes, she shot it down so that neither the pilot nor the plane itself refused to show. There was nothing to show. Everything flew to pieces.
        1. Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
          Michael1950 (Michael) 27 November 2021 02: 19
          -1
          ... Syria: S-300 spotted F-35 already on approach to the borders of the country ...

          - And what happened to him next ?? laughing lol And it was this: he / and crossed / whether the border of Syria, bombed and returned safely. Then a simple question: why are the S-300s there ?! Who forbade them to shoot down the F-35s flying over them five times a week ?! Kremlin? State US dep.? Ayatollah Khamenei? One of two things: either about the fact that the S-300 see the F-35 - a lie, completely traditional for Arab propaganda; or - what ?? They see - why not shoot down ??
          1. shadow Offline shadow
            shadow 27 November 2021 02: 51
            +3
            Actually, these two different events took place at different times. And you weaved them all into one. And what happened to that scrap metal, so you ask the Israelis where they put it.
            And didn't the Fufliki flew back. Have you read the article at all? Apparently, what nonsense you are talking about, even if you read it, you didn’t understand anything. It happens.
            We'll have to tell whether he himself is unable to understand.
            And then who allowed it or not. They did not cross the border and went where they came from. But if they had crossed, they would have been shot down. Why did you install the S-300? So that no one would fly. Now, in the area of ​​responsibility of the S-300, no one else flies. So, what has to do with the question of who forbade or allowed what to them, is not clear. You write nonsense again.
      2. shadow Offline shadow
        shadow 27 November 2021 18: 41
        +3
        Well, we still know that there are no SU-35s in Egypt. This is what we know for sure.
  16. Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
    Michael1950 (Michael) 27 November 2021 12: 02
    -3
    Quote: Shadows
    Actually, these two different events took place at different times. And you weaved them all into one.

    - At what "different times" ?! Here is the chronology of Israeli strikes on Syria, S-300s have been there for several years and F-35s have been bombing targets in Syria for several years:
    https://www.newsru.co.il/mideast/03nov2021/syria_il_101.html

    Didn't the Fufliki fly back.

    -?

    We'll have to tell whether he himself is unable to understand.
    And then who allowed it or not. They did not cross the border and went where they came from. But if they had crossed, they would have been shot down. Why did you install the S-300? So that no one would fly. Now, in the area of ​​responsibility of the S-300, no one else flies. So, what has to do with the question of who forbade or allowed what to them, is not clear. You write nonsense again.

    - fool Here are the strikes on Syria this year - where are your S-300s ?! WHERE ARE THEY??

    2021 year

    the 3rd of November. SANA reports that the Israeli Air Force launched missile attacks on targets in the suburbs of Damascus from the Golan Heights.

    October 30. SOHR reports an Israeli missile strike targeting a Hezbollah convoy in the vicinity of Damascus. Five militants were killed.

    the 25th of October. SOHR reports that an Israeli plane fired two missiles at positions of the Syrian army and "its allies" on the outskirts of the city of Al-Baath and the village of Al-Krum in Quneitra governorate in southern Syria.

    October 13. SANA reports an Israeli airstrike against a communications tower at T-4 airbase in Homs province and the death of one Syrian soldier. SOHR reports four killed.

    October 8th. SANA reports an Israeli airstrike against T-4 airbase in Homs province. According to SOHR, significant damage was caused to the training center by the control of Iranian UAVs, and several militants were killed.

    October 8th. An unidentified drone launched a missile attack on military targets belonging to militants of pro-Iranian formations in the city of Abu Kamal. According to SANA, "the Israeli air force attacked a military airfield in the Homs area."

    September 27. An unidentified drone launched a rocket attack on a pro-Iranian militia base south of Mayadin, in the eastern Syrian province of Dir al-Zur, near the Iraqi border. SOHR reports 12 militants injured and missile depots destroyed.

    September 14th. Unidentified drones attacked several trucks belonging to Iranian militias, who had recently entered Syria from Iraq through illegal border crossings.

    September 3rd. Strikes were struck in the suburbs of Damascus on research centers where weapons were developed.

    August 19. A blow was struck at a target near Damascus. According to SOHR, Hezbollah's warehouses and positions were attacked, four militants were killed.

    August 17th. A target was struck in the Quneitra area, near the Israeli border. According to SOHR, a Hezbollah facility was attacked.

    July 19. Targets were struck in the Aleppo province of northern Syria. According to SOHR, Iranian weapons depots were attacked.

    June 8. Strikes against targets in the area of ​​Damascus International Airport and in other parts of Syria. At least five Syrian military personnel and three foreign fighters were killed, according to SOHR.

    5 May. Strike at a target in the Latakia region, in northwestern Syria. SANA says a plastics plant was attacked and there are casualties.

    April 22. In response to an attempted rocket attack from Syria, the IDF launched a series of attacks on targets east of Damascus. Significant damage was caused.

    April 8. Syrian media reported that the Israeli army attacked targets near Damascus. According to SOHR, the weapons depot was destroyed, there are killed and wounded.
    28th of February. Syrian media reported that the Israeli Air Force attacked targets south of Damascus.

    February, 15. Syrian media reported that the IDF fired missiles at targets near Damascus. Weapons depots of pro-Iranian militants were attacked. SOHR reports nine killed.

    February 11. A convoy of trucks transporting weapons from Iraq to Syria for pro-Iranian militias was attacked on the Syrian-Iraqi border.

    February 3rd. Air strike against targets in the Quneitra area.

    January 22. Air strike against targets in Hama governorate.

    13th of January. Air strike against targets in eastern Syria. At least 23 killed.

    6th January. Air strike on targets near Damascus. According to SOHR, Hezbollah and pro-Iranian forces were attacked, and about 15 people were killed or wounded.
    1. shadow Offline shadow
      shadow 27 November 2021 12: 39
      +3
      What does the chronology have to do with it? Even 100 loops won't help you.
      You at least look at the publication date.
      There, in 2018, the S-300s do not cover the whole of Syria. But judging by your answers, you do not know this.
      The F-35 was shot down in 2017, and you are drawing a chronology for me here in 2021. Are you adequate?
      And the S-200 shot him down when Shoigu arrived on a visit to Israel.
      And something I do not see in this chronology of aircraft models from which the strike was made. They used to write models. Maybe this is because they no longer fly on sweatshirts?)
  17. Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
    Michael1950 (Michael) 27 November 2021 13: 06
    -1
    Quote: Shadows
    What does the chronology have to do with it? Even 100 loops won't help you.
    You at least look at the publication date.
    There, in 2018, the S-300s do not cover the whole of Syria. But judging by your answers, you do not know this.

    - The S-300s have a range of up to 300 kilometers. Take a compass and draw radii where normal people can set them? After all, it is not the desert that needs to be covered, and the Hezbollons and Iranians are not building their factories and bases in the desert! wink They are just trying to be located as close as possible to the location of the VKS bases and to large cities! And if you don't put the S-300 there, where should you put them ?? laughing lol

    The F-35 was shot down in 2017, and you are drawing a chronology for me here in 2021. Are you adequate?

    - not a single F-35 was shot down. Sometimes planes collide with birds - Israel is just a very tasty place for flying birds - this is where they stop to feed - and create problems for aviation - civil and military ...

    And the S-200 shot him down when Shoigu arrived on a visit to Israel.

    - You’ll be chuckling: the S-200 knocked out an F-16 over the Golan once, when the plane was already almost at home and the crew (foolishly) turned off the electronic warfare station too early.

    And something I do not see in this chronology of aircraft models from which the strike was made. They used to write models. Maybe this is because they no longer fly on sweatshirts?)

    - Dream, dream! laughing "Dreams, dreams, where is your sweetness?"
    Three more F-35s have recently arrived in Israel. It was 27:
    901, 902, 904, 905, 907, 908, 909, 911, 913, 916, 917, 918, 919, 921, 924 (experienced), 925, 926, 927, 928, 930, 932, 933, 935, 937 , 939, 941, 943
    Arrived:
    947, 945, 949
    Now 30 F-35 is a round number.

    The Israeli Air Force asked the United States to allow them greater access to the base (to the core, to the core) of the F-35 avionics in order to install new Israeli systems.

    We are trying to find the right balance between US restrictions and Israeli operational needs, ”said Brigadier General Nir Barkan, who heads the Israel Air Force headquarters. He added that the special F-35, designed for technical experiments, is widely used to test many of the existing [electronic] systems.

    Although General Barkan did not go into details about what new systems are meant, expert sources believe that this is a new electronic warfare system, a new communication system that allows two-way exchange of information in real time, and the addition of the most secret weapons systems used during operations using the stealth qualities of the aircraft.

    Israel has ordered 50 F-35s and, according to Air Force officials, these aircraft have already been used in various combat operations, both near Israeli borders and very far away. It is known that Israel is more willing to use the F-35 in hostilities than other countries that also have this aircraft in service with their air forces.

    Israel is currently in talks with the United States to supply the latest F-15 model. In particular, this issue was discussed in August during the visit of Prime Minister Naftali Bennett to Washington. Asked why Israel needs more F-15s when it has a growing fleet of F-35s, General Barkan said that the F-15 is a kind of "truck with weapons" in conjunction with the F-35 and the Air Force uses special systems connections that provide them with very clear interaction.

    General Barkan was also asked whether Israel continues to insist on full domestic service for the F-35, which was initially Israel's strict requirement. He replied that it continues to be a firm decision to maintain aircraft of any complexity at home. This is done by the repair department number 22 and the Air Force provides it with everything necessary for the adequate production of all the necessary work.

    General Barkan was also asked about drones. He replied that the Air Force pays as much attention to improving drones as it does to improving all of its aircraft, but declined to go into any details.
    1. shadow Offline shadow
      shadow 27 November 2021 14: 37
      +2
      Yeah, with birds))). Moreover, the bird was C-200))). And so this bird damaged the F-35, which refused to show either the pilot or the plane. What kind of bird should it be to take out a combat aircraft? But are all aircraft tested for collisions with birds, or was this particular aircraft forgotten to test?
      Yes, I forgot to say. Why lie and hide the truth, and even more so if Israel bought as many as 50 units of supposedly invisible F-35s, for big money, but in fact they turned out to be visible rubbish, which even cannot go out to supersonic sound: its tail falls off. And how can one justify now that the Israeli Defense Ministry did not get into a mess with the purchase of such expensive and useless aircraft? Right. Only to hide the truth and get out. That’s why they came up with a bird. That is to say - half-truth.
      Well, they turned. ))))))))))))))))) the filling actually turned out to be garbage))))))))))))))))))). And it is not known whether the Americans allowed them to do this or not. Nice buy. Only it did not help them.))))))
      And here's one more thing.
      As for the S-300. You would first look at the performance characteristics of this complex, before writing your nonsense.
      The range of destruction is 200 km. The detection range is 300 km. If you look at the map and draw a ruler, from one far point to another along the X axis, then there will be 771 km. And if you take another axis, then there will be 432 km.
      It’s immediately obvious that you don’t know anything. Again you draw your shoe, because there is nothing to cover it with. And they put these complexes where they saw fit. And then the allegedly invisible F-35 aircraft were discovered by these complexes.

      F-35 AND SU-30 COMBAT: BRITISH PILOT KILLED BY PLAYING CATCHERS WITH RUSSIANS - SOHU
      Sohu authors insist that the British F-35 pilot died while trying to intercept the Su-30. The battle was lost, and the "catch-up" turned out to be fatal.

      The British pilot of the F-35 fighter, trying to intercept the Su-30 of the Russian Aerospace Forces, crashed between the coasts of Cyprus and Egypt, the authors of the Chinese Internet publication Sohu insist, citing some of their own sources. Let's try to understand the situation.

      So, the text of the note says that the F-35 went to intercept, but for some reason the plane lost control and crashed into the sea. The data is indirectly confirmed by British Defense Secretary Ben Wallace, the authors believe. However, the above quote is difficult to consider as confirmation, since Wallace simply spoke about 30 attempts to intercept Russian Aerospace Forces aircraft when NATO ships returned from the Pacific Ocean to Europe through the Mediterranean Sea. Nevertheless, the authors of Sohu, concluding the crash of the F-35, note:

      And yes, Ben Wallace confirmed that it was, it means it was))).
      1. Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
        Michael1950 (Michael) 27 November 2021 14: 42
        -2
        - Honestly: I'm too lazy to continue further "discussion" with you ... I'm afraid to break into profanity ... lol
        1. shadow Offline shadow
          shadow 27 November 2021 15: 01
          +2
          You are not lazy, you just have nothing to cover. I refuted all your speculations and proved that give you 1000 loops, zero sense))))))))))))))))))))
          And mate is used mainly only when there is nothing to say. My advice to you. Better shut up. Otherwise, as soon as you start writing, all your inadequacy comes out and crawls out. Again they throw it on the very top)))))).
          1. Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
            Michael1950 (Michael) 27 November 2021 15: 43
            -2
            "You can't even imagine how ridiculous your" arguments "are for those who understand." You can't imagine! laughing lol How absurdly insane your "criticism" of the F-35.
            1. shadow Offline shadow
              shadow 27 November 2021 15: 55
              +2
              You’re kind of lazy. What are you drawing? Look at the mat do not break.
              Everything I refer to was in real life. Those. by your logic, real life is ridiculous. Only here you are ridiculous.
              1. Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
                Michael1950 (Michael) 27 November 2021 16: 01
                -2
                - The problem is that the forum is read by hundreds of people and voluntary jingoistic would-be misinformants like you are misleading tens and hundreds of the same amateurs. You fool each other amicably, tell each other the stupidest stories about "lame American aviation", about "worthless stealth", about the wonderful Su-57, which "tears the F-22 like a hot-water bottle", etc.
                Probably, such self-deception "warms the soul" to you and those like you, but this is the only thing that this fairy tale is useful for - as psychotherapy from harsh reality ...
                1. shadow Offline shadow
                  shadow 27 November 2021 16: 32
                  +2
                  You’re kind of lazy. What are you drawing? That, even you contradict your own words.)))))
                  About the F-35 and the fact that it was shot down, this is the Israeli media wrote. Those. do you think the Israeli press writes stories? )))))) Then it turns out that about the delivery of the SU-35, these are also bikes. )))))) Although, this is really a bike.
                  And when this SU-57 met with the F-22, as you say, can you tell me?
                  Well, if they are worthless and even the S-200 can see them, what have I to do with it? You address the Americans, ask them why they make such useless airplanes.
                  And it was you who threw off the link to the article where it was said that Israel wants to modernize the rubbish that the United States sold him in the form of the F-35. And while you say that this is self-deception?)))) Judging by your nickname, you are 72 or so.
                  Here is the latest news from the F-35, which allegedly chased, and maybe flew away from the SU-30, and then crashed, came from the UK. Do they also write stories in your opinion?
                  But the Polish rag does not write stories, referring to an Egyptian source, which is simply not in this article? This is a bike, and what a bike it is.
                  1. Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
                    Michael1950 (Michael) 27 November 2021 16: 48
                    -3
                    About the F-35 and the fact that it was shot down, this is the Israeli media wrote. Those. do you think the Israeli press writes stories?

                    - So give me a link to this sensation immediately ?! am

                    And when this SU-57 met with the F-22, as you say, can you tell me?

                    - Not in reality, of course (you can't read?). On the pages of the Russian Internet! laughing

                    And it was you who threw off the link to the article where it was said that Israel wants to modernize the rubbish that the United States supplied in the form of the F-35.

                    - Israel wants to modernize the world's best stealth drummer... Which is great in itself. Do not understand this ?!

                    Judging by your nickname, you are 72 or so.

                    - I am 71 years old, but to reach your current level of insanity, I will have to live another 250 years! .. laughing lol

                    Here is the latest news from the F-35, which allegedly chased, and maybe flew away from the SU-30, and then crashed, came from the UK. Do they also write stories in your opinion?

                    - The yellow press, writing all sorts of rubbish in pursuit of circulation, which the plebs reads - is in any country, there are no exceptions.
                    1. shadow Offline shadow
                      shadow 27 November 2021 17: 26
                      +3
                      Ah, you already write that is not in reality. Why didn't you write this the first time?
                      Or is this not yours?
                      "lame American aviation", about "worthless stealth", about the wonderful Su-57, which "tears the F-22 like a hot water bottle", etc. "
                      Then you add what is on the pages of the Russian Internet and what I cannot read, but that was only later, when you were deceived with your muzzle. By the way, unlike you, I can not only read, but I can understand what I have read, which is why I asked a question that made you very hot. And after that you began to add that this was not a real battle, but on the open spaces of the Russian Internet. By the way, is it only Runet?))))))
                      https://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/stealth-fighter-war-russias-su-57-vs-americas-f-22-raptor-25812
                      Initially, about any open spaces of the Runet there was no word and you wrote a word. If you don’t believe, then you can read your writings yourself to refresh your memory, if you don’t have much of it left.
                      Indeed, to reach my current level of insanity, as you write, you will have to live another 250 years, tk. your level is much lower than mine and you still have to grow up to it for 250 years. You wrote it yourself))))). Or are you going to deny here too?))))))
                      HAHAHAHA.
                      Your.

                      The tabloid press, writing all sorts of rubbish in pursuit of circulation, which is read by the plebs - is in any country, there are no exceptions.

                      At the same time, you yourself throw off references to jaundice, and when you are given the same jaundice well, you shout about all sorts of nonsense.))))))))))) No, I have not seen a bigger bottom. But with you everything is possible.))))))))
                      Here's a link for you. You can even watch the video.)))))
                      https://southfront.org/is-israel-hiding-that-its-f-35-warplane-was-hit-by-syrian-s-200-missile/
                      1. Michael1950 Offline Michael1950
                        Michael1950 (Michael) 27 November 2021 17: 31
                        -4
                        Ah, you already write that is not in reality. Why didn't you write this the first time?
                        Or is this not yours?
                        "lame American aviation", about "worthless stealth", about the wonderful Su-57, which "tears the F-22 like a hot water bottle", etc. "
                        Then you add what is on the pages of the Russian Internet, but this is only later, when you were deceived with your muzzle.

                        - ?? Su-57 exists only in single copy, what are the "real battles with the F-22" ?! fool negative repeat
                        Be healthy, don't cough! ..
                        (And no mate! laughing)
                      2. shadow Offline shadow
                        shadow 27 November 2021 17: 52
                        +3
                        And this you need to ask about what real battles you write.))))))))))))))))))))))))
                        How hot you are))))))))))))))))))))) Look the neighbors were not sleeping))))))))))))
                        In a single copy? I have not seen a bigger bottom yet.
                        Isn't that yours?

                        Su-57 exists only in a single copy, what "real battles with the F-22" ?! fool negative feel
                        Be healthy, don't cough !.

                        https://zen.yandex.ru/video/watch/619fbffabb8e8f4c87378648
                        At 38 seconds. I'll even give you a hint, otherwise you yourself won't guess. Set the speed to 0,25 to pause and count. Will you count it yourself, or should I count it for you too? By the way, it shows exactly 4 SU-57s, about which I spoke. And after that you talk about the fool? Yeah, I have never seen such an abyss without a bottom.
                        Yes, no swearing, but no DNA!