Russia has long had a casus belli for the war with Ukraine


Against the background of the concentration of Russian troops on the western border of our country, the topic of their possible invasion of the territory of Ukraine is being actively discussed. The approximate dates are even named, January-February 2022. At the same time, it is the Western and Ukrainian press that inflates as much as possible, while the domestic press is trying to emphatically adhere to a peace-loving position. Why this happens is understandable: from Nezalezhnaya they are trying to draw an image of an innocent victim, a kind of "white sheep" on which bad Russia sharpens its "wolf teeth". But is this "victim of Russian aggression" so innocent?


Domestic liberals are especially fond of speculating on this topic. For them, any active, let alone forceful intervention in the events taking place in Ukraine is a priori a criminal act. Ok, gentlemen, lovers of "Western values", let's talk a little about crime and delinquency.

The dark side of "young democracy"


We will not claim the comprehensiveness of the review of the crimes committed by the post-Maidan regime, but we will go through the most, in our opinion, significant. Let's make a reservation right away that the "criminal regime" does not mean the state of Ukraine itself or its population, but precisely those people who came to power as a result of a coup and all subsequent years committed various numerous crimes and offenses against their own citizens, as well as Russian citizens. Yes, yes, the blood of our compatriots lies directly on the Maidan authorities, about which for some reason everyone stubbornly prefers to keep silent.

"First blood"


If anyone has forgotten, on May 2, 2014, a massacre, monstrous in its cruelty, took place in Odessa. Opponents of European integration were driven into the House of Trade Unions, where Ukrainian right-wing radicals set a fire and brutally killed, according to the official version, 42 people. 6 more were killed in the streets of Odessa. Why were they deprived of their lives? For the fact that they opposed the so-called European integration, against the radicalization of society, for the federalization of Ukraine and the strengthening of relations with Russia within the framework of the Customs Union. These are the terrible "criminals"!

President Petro Poroshenko commented on these events as follows:

At the moment, Odessa has become a very pro-Ukrainian city! In the Russian media, Odessa is even called "Bandera". And for me there is no greater compliment for Odessa.

A few days later, on May 9, 2014, armed clashes broke out in Mariupol, in which local residents were killed. It is quite symbolic that it was on Victory Day that Ukrainian Nazis from the "dobrobats" shot supporters of federalization and cooperation with Russia.

"Blood bath"


Domestic liberals today are very fond of condemning proposals on various options for resolving the problem with the post-Maidan regime by force, arguing that this will lead to a "bloodbath". At the same time, they hypocritically forget to mention that Ukraine itself began this "bloodbath" called the "anti-terrorist operation" (ATO). More than 13 thousand people have already been lost killed, among whom more than 3 thousand are civilians. Over 1,3 million people became internally displaced persons. According to the human rights organization Human Rights Watch, the Ukrainian Armed Forces used prohibited cluster munitions against the rebellious Donbass:

Ukrainian government forces used cluster munitions in populated areas of Donetsk in early October ... Using cluster munitions in populated areas violates the laws of war ... and can amount to war crimes.

The so-called "dobrobats", assembled from Ukrainian nationalists and criminals, have been repeatedly convicted of crimes against the civilian population of Donbass: robberies, murders, rapes, torture. Why does Kiev consider it possible to conduct anti-terrorist operation, which is more correctly called a civil war, against the whole region? What did the inhabitants of the South-East of Ukraine do so terrible that it was necessary to send an army and armed nationalists against them?

If you recall, it turns out that initially there was no question of separation and annexation to Russia. What was demanded in Novorossiya? Resolving the issue of the status of the Russian language as a state language, constitutional reform with the federalization of the country and the transfer of powers for broad self-government to the regions. And that's all. Note that at the referendums that resulted in the proclamation of the DPR and LPR, the question of joining Russia according to the Crimean scenario was not even raised. These are the "terrible criminals"! So them, cluster munitions! Kill and rape everyone! Yes? What do you say, hypocritical gentlemen liberals?

Heroization of Nazism


Only two countries doubt that Nazism is an undeniable evil, judging by the results of the vote for the UN resolution against the glorification of Nazism. These are the USA and Ukraine. Coincidence? We don’t think so.

Nazi criminal Stepan Bandera is proclaimed a national hero in the Independent. The nationalist "chant" SUGS is used even by the head of state. The Permanent Representative of the Russian Federation to the UN Vasily Nebenzya was forced in January 2021 to send an official letter to the head of the organization indicating the most egregious cases of glorification of Nazism in Ukraine. His first deputy Dmitry Polyansky commented on this as follows:

From the very first tweet it becomes clear to what extent this campaign has reached on the "Square": in one of the recent publications on the English-language version of the website of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine, the Holocaust is attributed to ... the USSR! In this case, Nazi Germany is not even mentioned.

Sorry, but one tribunal has already passed on Nazi criminals. Apparently, a second is needed. Who, except Russia, is able to carry it out? What did our grandfathers fight for? It's a shame, comrades.

Human rights violations


Discrimination against Russians in Ukraine is probably the least of the evils listed above that the post-Maidan authorities are doing. Russians are prohibited from using their native language for learning and as a second state language, which is why it all began in 2014. Dissenters are persecuted, including by extra-legal methods. How many pro-Russian supporters simply disappeared after they were taken over by the "Right Sector" (an extremist organization banned in the Russian Federation. " , CCDH) recognized Independent as one of the world centers for the dissemination of neo-Nazism, and Time named the country a source of extremism and the recruitment of right-wing militants around the world.

Modern Ukraine is not a "poor sheep", it is a real monster that must be stopped. And no one, except Russia and, possibly, Belarus, is able to do this. But do we have a legal and moral right to this, or are we ordinary "trembling creatures" who justify their doing nothing with hypocritical liberal demagogy or extremely dubious arguments like that Ukraine "we do not need", "will fall apart and crawl back" and " we don’t want to feed her ”? (There are a lot of geopolitical breadwinners nowadays ...)

Casus belli


Now let's move on to where this publication began. Let us remind those who have forgotten or are not aware that Ukraine killed and wounded several citizens of the Russian Federation on the territory of Russia.

On July 13, 2014, a high-explosive projectile fired by the Armed Forces of Ukraine during the so-called ATO flew to the Rostov region, the city of Donetsk (not to be confused with the fact that it is the capital of the DPR). A Ukrainian shell hit a residential building, killing 47-year-old Russian Andrei Shulyatyev, and an 82-year-old pensioner seriously injured from the blast wave. The murdered man has four children. In addition to them, several more of our fellow citizens in the settlements of Donetsk and Gukovo, in the farmsteads of Primiussky and Vasetsky, as well as in administrative buildings at border checkpoints in the Rostov region, became victims of shelling from the Ukrainian side, fortunately, not fatal.

Needless to say, all this can be qualified as war crimes of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and is quite attractive for "casus belli"? Or will we continue to feel sorry for Ukraine?
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  1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
    gunnerminer (gunnerminer) 23 November 2021 14: 33
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    The Minsk agreements are a real muzzle for the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and for the Russian Ministry of Defense.
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 23 November 2021 14: 38
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      Who put it on?
      1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
        gunnerminer (gunnerminer) 23 November 2021 14: 58
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        He was dressed by EU diplomats and seized the moment with the help of top managers from Gazprom and Rosneft.
        1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
          Marzhecki (Sergei) 23 November 2021 15: 26
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          I see people have short memories. And only 7 years have passed.
          Read who stopped the militia offensive and opened the Minsk-1 season https://www.rbc.ru/politics/23/11/2021/619c91f09a7947fe67bf029c
          1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
            gunnerminer (gunnerminer) 23 November 2021 15: 51
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            I did not find an explanation for this link. IMHO, the offensive was stopped due to the level of irrecoverable and sanitary losses of the militia. Quite comparable with the losses of the Armed Forces. The same and the addition of the loss of equipment and weapons. And Gazprom hinted at a shaft, threatening the loss of buyers for oil and gas. Even at dumping prices. Units and formations of the Western and Southern districts did not have the operational capabilities to support the militias. As now. Unions announced again. formed, they really are not. Mobilization in the country was not announced, they pulled a little bit, as much as they could from parts of the Eastern District.
            1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
              Marzhecki (Sergei) 24 November 2021 16: 20
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              Then everything is clear with you. hi

              Secondly, the Russian president also called on the militias to stop "active offensive operations" in the "Donetsk and Luhansk directions." Thirdly, he called for the implementation of "full and objective international control over the observance of the ceasefire conditions and monitoring of the situation created in this way in the security zone," Putin added.

              Fourthly, he called for “to exclude the use of military aircraft against civilians and settlements in the conflict zone. Further - to organize the exchange of forcibly detained persons according to the formula "all for all" without any preconditions. "

              Fifth, according to the President of Russia, humanitarian corridors for refugees and delivery of humanitarian supplies should be opened in the southeast. Repair teams are to come there to restore social infrastructure, Putin announced the sixth point.

              Putin believes that Kiev and southeastern Ukraine should reach an agreement on a peaceful settlement on September 5 at a contact group meeting in Minsk.

              The President of Russia also spoke about today's telephone conversation with the President of Ukraine. "Indeed, this morning we spoke on the phone with President Poroshenko and our views, in any case, it seemed to me, on the way of resolving the conflict are very close, "the Russian president said.

              https://www.rbc.ru/politics/03/09/2014/570421a59a794760d3d41313
              1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                gunnerminer (gunnerminer) 24 November 2021 16: 42
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                Then everything is clear with you

                High-speed sticking of labels is an indicator of haste and superficiality. This was the unity of views in the USSR, and then up to a certain period of time.

                The position in which Russia is located is very difficult. On the one hand, the Russian Federation should not succumb to American-Ukrainian provocations. On the other hand, Moscow cannot leave Donbass to its own devices in the event of a large-scale Ukrainian offensive, or ignore the dangerous actions of Kiev on the border with Crimea, on the Black and Azov Seas. The decision to start hostilities will not be made in Kiev, and not in the main metropolis of Russia. This puts Russia in a deliberately losing position. The Defense Ministry and the NGSh will not be able to activate the scattering of logistical structures to provide peacekeepers in the NKAO, cosmonauts in the former SAR, in the area of ​​201 base in Tajikistan.
                The United States is indifferent to the fate of its subordinate mongrels. The President can summon (like Leopold the cat). But the State Department has its own worries. We must save the dollar. Due to the overturning of the euro. The little powder was thrown out for stupidity, and for unnecessary requests to the State Department. And the constant nagging of the State Department. ...
                1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
                  Marzhecki (Sergei) 24 November 2021 16: 44
                  -1
                  What is the flow of words?
                  1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                    gunnerminer (gunnerminer) 24 November 2021 16: 46
                    -2
                    The stream of events in which Russia found itself, thanks to the toothlessness of the Russian Foreign Ministry, and attempts to sit on several stools, with weak economic indicators, with the disruption of state weapons programs.
                    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
                      Marzhecki (Sergei) 24 November 2021 16: 48
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                      And what does the toothlessness of the Foreign Ministry have to do with it? Who determines the foundations of Russia's foreign policy? Who stopped the militia offensive? Who started the Minsk Agreement? Who appointed the people responsible for the economy and weapons programs?
                      1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                        gunnerminer (gunnerminer) 24 November 2021 16: 56
                        -3
                        One President cannot plug all the holes.
                      2. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
                        Marzhecki (Sergei) 24 November 2021 17: 43
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                        Therefore, he is responsible for those he appointed
                      3. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                        gunnerminer (gunnerminer) 24 November 2021 20: 48
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                        He has no one to answer. For 20 years he has never summed up his reign. What goals did he set, what he achieved, what he could not achieve. He surrounded himself with gray personalities, sycophants who would throw him.
  • zenion Offline zenion
    zenion (zinovy) 29 November 2021 16: 43
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    gunnerminer. Casus belli is a white white fever that is treated in a madhouse. Or maybe in Russian - this is the reason? This is which side to come in and look at. Or maybe a female fungal disease?
  • AND Online AND
    AND 23 November 2021 14: 49
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    Quote: Marzhetsky
    Who put it on?

    Steelmaker under the nickname gunnerminer is lying on the couch. These are wow patriots, the Euro-Americans love them very much. Very funny guys write such wattle about "their country".
    1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 23 November 2021 14: 52
      -1
      No, not him
      https://www.rbc.ru/politics/03/09/2014/570421a59a794760d3d41313
  • Georgy Soloviev Offline Georgy Soloviev
    Georgy Soloviev (Georgy Soloviev) 23 November 2021 14: 58
    +1
    There is a casus belli, but there is no movement. One bleating concern.))
    1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunnerminer) 23 November 2021 15: 51
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      Yes, short and clear.
  • Eduard Aplombov Offline Eduard Aplombov
    Eduard Aplombov (Eduard Aplombov) 23 November 2021 16: 22
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    Russia does not need a war with the blood of boys, it needs the most severe sanctions against ukrusia, even with economic damage to Russia, but it hinders the comprador elite of Russia who lives extracting resources from Russia and transferring them to offshore where it pays taxes
    and to us from TV screens about patriotism, honor and pride
    with all due respect to GDP, the fighter is getting old
    1. rotkiv04 Offline rotkiv04
      rotkiv04 (Victor) 24 November 2021 10: 17
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      So he heads this comprador elite, it's a pity that very few people still got it.
  • Siegfried Offline Siegfried
    Siegfried (Gennady) 23 November 2021 17: 00
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    winter war is the lack of brilliant green and the inability to dig trenches. Everyone will be like on a pond, the destructive power of the shells will increase several times (an explosion on the surface without burying), settlements will acquire special importance at night for heating and recreation. The losses will be twice as large as in the summer, especially in the 200th (they will freeze with blood loss from injury). To what extent are the Ukrainian Armed Forces ready for such a conflict?
    1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunnerminer) 23 November 2021 19: 19
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      The Ukrainian Armed Forces are not ready. The Russian Armed Forces are not ready.
    2. isofat Online isofat
      isofat (isofat) 23 November 2021 23: 11
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      They will free up the territory for production, catch up migrants to new jobs. Who needs this classic social structure? The institution of the family is already being destroyed with might and main. The United States was built like that - an artificial state, the people of migrant workers ...

      Peoples, in their old understanding, are not needed. The world is already prepared for such events, with a few exceptions. Break not build.

      PS I did not say, apparently, they are going to remake the whole world, not only Ukraine. laughing
  • Ivan Voronich Offline Ivan Voronich
    Ivan Voronich (Ivan Voronich) 23 November 2021 17: 50
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    Author, who do you work for? You are blowing the same tune as the West and Ukraine, inciting to war. Belli's casus is always not a problem to find if you want to, just answer: for us, Russians, what is the war for? In the current realities, it will not be limited only to a 4-day campaign in the manner of a Georgian one, the West has drawn conclusions and therefore all their fighting men are near our borders. The future war runs the risk of turning into an all-out one, moreover, on our territory, and not somewhere beyond the continent.
    1. shiva Offline shiva
      shiva (Ivan) 23 November 2021 23: 13
      +6
      We do not instigate war, we warn about it.
      Instigated by those in warm offices at the Pentagon.
      we - then, when it bangs, clenching our teeth, we will try with the last bit of strength to drown the aug of the united states, fight off the Natsiks near the Crimea, kick the Balts from Kaliningrad, defend the Caucasus from the Turks, and Sakhalin from the Japanese ...
    2. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
      Marzhecki (Sergei) 24 November 2021 16: 18
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      Author, who do you work for? You are blowing the same tune as the West and Ukraine, inciting to war. Belli's casus is always not a problem if you want to find it, just answer: we Russians, what is the war for?

      I have already written several articles about this for publication. Everything is written there, if your mind is not enough to understand.
      1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
        gunnerminer (gunnerminer) 24 November 2021 16: 44
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        And the puppeteers from Washington impose their resolutions on the articles and on the requests of the Russian side.
        1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
          Marzhecki (Sergei) 24 November 2021 16: 46
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          What are the resolutions for the articles? What requests? Did you bite something?
          1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
            gunnerminer (gunnerminer) 24 November 2021 16: 48
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            Has the likelihood of hostilities in Donbass dropped sharply as a result of the President's articles and Leopold's appeals?
            1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
              Marzhecki (Sergei) 24 November 2021 16: 50
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              The likelihood of hostilities in Donbass would have been zero if Leopold had not stopped the victorious march of the militia in 2014.
              And the appearance of articles is my job. Unfortunately, they don't really affect anything.
              1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                gunnerminer (gunnerminer) 24 November 2021 16: 55
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                The cat had no other choice. Gas had to be sold. Otherwise, the budget would be a problem. And the state of the Air Force, Navy, Ground Forces is not very good. Just as Shoigu does not try to fix the mistakes of his predecessor. Even the poor Moldovans are forced to deliver on promises. To endure the antics of Kiev.
                I wish you continued success in writing the articles, and so that reality does not deviate too much from their content.
                1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
                  Marzhecki (Sergei) 24 November 2021 16: 59
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                  Nothing prevented Leopold from taking Ukraine and its GTS almost bloodlessly in 2014. Then there was no need to fence a garden with bypass gas pipelines.
                  Who appointed Serdyukov and reappointed him twice? Let me remind you that VVP made him a minister when he was Commander-in-Chief himself, then for 4 years he was his immediate superior in the government, then, after becoming president, he again appointed him minister of defense.

                  I wish you continued success in writing your articles, and so that reality does not deviate from their content.

                  Thanks. I'm fine with that.
  • Xuli (o) Tebenado 23 November 2021 18: 11
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    and quite attracts to "casus belli"? Or will we continue to feel sorry for Ukraine?

    I personally do not regret any Ukraine. Why feel sorry for her? Let them live as they want.
    And let the author himself go to war with the bloomers (as an option, his children-grandchildren).
    I will not let my sons go there under any circumstances.
    1. shiva Offline shiva
      shiva (Ivan) 23 November 2021 23: 22
      +5
      I probably will nevertheless be honored and will write my article for the topcore - whether the mods will be skipped or not, we will have to fight, the historical process is like this. No matter how disgusting. Have to. And you, and your sons, and me, and my children too - all will be participants ...
      1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
        Marzhecki (Sergei) 24 November 2021 16: 46
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        Try it. Surely they will publish if you write sensibly.
      2. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
        gunnerminer (gunnerminer) 24 November 2021 16: 51
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        Yes, you will have to fight. Worse if you have to fight on three fronts. The unreformed Russian Armed Forces will not withstand such a load. The Air Force is too small for such tasks. Especially their basis. Long-range and Strategic Aviation, military transport aviation. The main strike force on land and at sea. aviation. Serial production of the Su-57 failed. No one signed contracts in the barn with the Su-75.
        1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
          Marzhecki (Sergei) 24 November 2021 16: 56
          +1
          All of the current bullshit started in Ukraine. Everyone sees Leopold's cowardice, so they behave more and more greyhound. Everyone understands that he will NEVER use nuclear weapons. Ahead are problems with the Japanese because of the Kuriles, where national disgrace is guaranteed to us.
          The best thing that can be done is to tackle the root of the problem, where it all began: to clean up Ukraine as hard as possible. Then the risks in other directions will decrease.
          1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
            gunnerminer (gunnerminer) 24 November 2021 17: 03
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            The garbage in Ukraine was missed due to the lack of information of the ambassadors Chernomyrdin and Zurabov. The Ministry of Foreign Affairs hammered a bolt on the Ukrainian events. The State Department took advantage of this. Even the limited fool Vichka Nuland outplayed the former CIS department of the Russian Foreign Ministry. SVR, GRU simply slept under the cap. 18 billion dollars promised by Kiev , did not stir their imaginations. Because Rosmol and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs could not offer anything ideological for the Ukrainian youth, for the population. One thief was replaced by another.
            Therefore, the State Department is pushing its nuclear-free mongrels to the front, so that the NGSh plans only conventional forces and means.

            extremely tough to clean up Ukraine.

            They ate little porridge. The rear will have to be guarded by conscripts of the National Guard of Russia one year old. Land forces with a wild shortage.
            1. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
              Marzhecki (Sergei) 24 November 2021 17: 05
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              The garbage in Ukraine was missed due to the lack of information of the ambassadors Chernomyrdin and Zurabov.

              I'm talking directly about the events on the Maidan and the beginning of hostilities. Then even Leopold had to get there.

              They ate little porridge. The rear will have to be guarded by conscripts of the National Guard of Russia one year old. Land forces with a wild shortage.

              Aren't you writing from Israel?
              1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
                gunnerminer (gunnerminer) 24 November 2021 21: 01
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                I am writing from Russia. The mass anti-Russian sentiments of the Ukrainians are a serious victory for the State Department. The main reason is the low financial situation of the deputies. For 30 years Russia has not been able to offer anyone an attractive economic model. Therefore, Russian propaganda is unconvincing. Yugoslavia disappeared as the USSR. But Serbs, Croats, Slovenes, Bosniaks, Montenegrins, live better than Russians. Like Poles, Hungarians, Estonians, Latvians and Lithuanians. Without oceans of oil and gas, without endless taiga, huge mountains of minerals.
                If in Russia since 1999 the standard of living has gradually, but firmly increased, and the Maidan would not have happened. Ukrainian youth would have poured not to Belgium, to the Netherlands, to Poland, to Germany and Estonia. But to Russia. And Shoigu did not strain his head, where to find millions of builders of Siberian and coastal cities.

                The main failure of the Makarov / Serdyukov reforms, the failure with the formation of permanent readiness units in the Ground Forces, an impressive shortage of officers, warrant officers / warrant officers, sergeants / foremen in units, and the collapse of the mobsystem, the complete absence of a trained reserve of command personnel of the Air Force and the Navy.
  • boriz Online boriz
    boriz (boriz) 23 November 2021 18: 52
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    And everything will be fine without war.
    LDNR was included in the economic space of the Russian Federation. People will have jobs and growing wages. They will not have problems with energy resources. The house will be light and warm. Their utilities have long been lower than in / on.
    But on the other side of the line of demarcation there will be problems. Rolling power outages, heat problems, wild communal apartment.
    In addition, there will be no subsidies for business. Energy carriers - at exchange prices.
    Back in October, a survey of entrepreneurs was conducted. 92% said the business would become unprofitable from 1.12.2021. 96% said that by 31.12.2021. the business will be unprofitable. That is, people will not have jobs. Now everyone worries that they can freeze at home. Soon many will realize that they will have nothing to pay for the communal apartment.
    In the meantime, everything will be fine in the LDNR. And the envy of our non-brothers is well known. Ze will be torn into rags.
    Then the war will not be needed. No matter how sorry I am to disappoint the bloodthirsty Sergei.
    1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunnerminer) 23 November 2021 19: 22
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      In the meantime, everything will be fine in the LDNR. And the envy of our non-brothers is well known. Ze will be torn into rags.

      The salaries in the LDNR are scanty. Civilians are subjected to mortar attacks by the ARF DRG, shelling. Children are killed. About 700 LDNR servicemen are killed. They constantly receive humanitarian aid. Live for a month in such wonderful conditions.
      1. boriz Online boriz
        boriz (boriz) 23 November 2021 20: 43
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        https://strana.news/video/362485-kak-rossija-perezapuskaet-ekonomiku-donbassa-novyj-vypusk-jasnoponjatno-s-olesej-medvedevoj.html



        Quite recently I gave these links. Here's one more time.
        This is a view from Ukraine.
        The minimum pensions are already higher there. Teachers also began to receive more. The communal area has been lower there for a long time, and this winter the difference will become unbearable for the minds of the residents of the city.
        I was talking about envy.
        Ukrainians will not notice what is worse in the LPNR. For them it is in the order of things. They will see what is getting better there and worse with them. This contrast will keep them awake at night. It's already a shock for them that there is not enough coal in Ukraine! This is nonsense, if you imagine this 8 years ago.
        Ukraine buys eggs from Belarus. And their poultry farms will be stopped, the chickens will be starved to death or sold goners for cheap. And it will be much more difficult to restore production. The people will dump in the Russian Federation. And who should work?
        Cucumbers are imported from Russia! This means that their greenhouses will not work. And everything is the same.
        This is just the beginning. The production of fertilizers has already stopped.
        Other industries where the price of energy is critical will also rise. Confectionery (especially caramel), bakery industry. Bread will either have to be imported or bought at two prices. Chemical industry, metallurgy. These are all jobs.
        Ukrainians do not care that their children and brothers are killing someone, such is the nature (even though these are in business). But it is critical that they themselves will have nothing to eat, it is cold and dark. And no one will be lucky for them humanitarian aid from the Russian Federation.
        1. Xuli (o) Tebenado 23 November 2021 21: 10
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          Ukrainians will not notice what is worse in the LPNR. For them it is in the order of things. They will see what is getting better there and worse with them. This contrast will keep them awake at night. They are already shocked that there is not enough coal in Ukraine! This is nonsense, if you imagine this 8 years ago.
          Ukraine buys eggs from Belarus. And their poultry farms will be stopped, the chickens will be starved to death or sold goners for cheap. And it will be much more difficult to restore production. The people will dump in the Russian Federation. And who should work?
          Cucumbers are imported from Russia! This means that their greenhouses will not work. And everything is the same

          The fantastic picture you described is almost impossible to imagine in real life: they buy eggs and cucumbers (!!!), the chickens will starve to death, the people will dump in the Russian Federation (!!!) and other rubbish.

          Go for the New Year, good for VVP with deputies, lovers of Courchevel, provide such an opportunity, to Tiraspol or Chisinau. Walk through the markets, be sure to go to the bazaars: if you are not completely blind, which I strongly doubt, you can see that in Transnistria and Moldova 25-30% of imports are food from Ukraine. And you here weave fables about eggs-cucumbers and're coming out of chickens, starved to death :)).

          Yes, it is in the Russian Federation that bloomers will be dumped. Like. They have already dumped a long time ago, who wanted to. Many dumped not in the Russian Federation, "stable and prosperous", with salaries of 15-20 tyrs ($ 200-300), but in more well-fed countries such as the Czech Republic or Germany. They send part of their income to Ukraine to relatives who remain. And the budget of Ukraine for 25-40% consists of migrant workers' money ... while you are here counting their frozen yaissa :)).
          1. boriz Online boriz
            boriz (boriz) 23 November 2021 21: 51
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            Ukraine for the first time since independence in July-August of this year imported chicken eggs from Belarus. This is reported by agronews.ua with reference to the executive director of the Association "Union of Poultry Breeders of Ukraine" Sergei Karpenko.

            The specialist recalled that the poultry industry has been unprofitable for two years now, and the consequences of this for the market are screaming.

            “More than 30 enterprises for the production of eggs and more than nine enterprises for the production of poultry have been closed. In two years, the livestock has decreased by 11 million heads, - he said. - Production of poultry meat has decreased by 40 thousand tons since the beginning of the year. Egg production - by 3 billion pieces, which is a quarter of the production volume in 2020, "Karpenko explained.

            https://glavcom.ua/ru/news/stalo-izvestno-pochemu-ukraina-importiruet-kurinye-yayca-iz-belarusi-790351.html

            And this is the beginning of October. And they began to receive energy carriers at higher prices already in November.
            https://biz.nv.ua/markets/ukraina-importirovala-teplichnye-ogurcy-iz-rossii-vpervye-novosti-ukrainy-50196792.html это про огурцы

            the chickens will starve to death,

            Yes, when poultry farms are closed due to lack of money, unfortunately, this is often the case. In Kaluga, Muscovites deliberately crushed the local poultry farm (like many local industry enterprises). This is exactly what ended.

            Many did not go to the Russian Federation

            What country do you live in then? I personally see how many Ukrainians work for us. They are hard-working and earn good money. They rent housing, save up for apartments.
            I am not saying that everyone comes here, they also go to Poland. But in the current crisis in Poland, people will still think about going to Poland. Moreover, it has become easier to obtain Russian citizenship.
            You filter the market. None of us are omniscient. What you once saw is not relevant now. Energy prices have risen significantly. And this is for a long time.
            1. Xuli (o) Tebenado 23 November 2021 22: 49
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              In the internet, you can dig up anything you want. Which is what you are doing. How many eggs (cucumbers) do you need to provide them to a country like Ukraine? Let's say they brought in some kind of batch of cucumber eggs, but this cannot be passed off as a widespread phenomenon! And that's exactly what you are doing.
              For 8 years now I have heard how Ukraine will freeze (die of hunger, collapse, crumble into pieces, etc.). You're not tired?

              Do Ukrainians work in Kaluga? How can you tell them apart? I can distinguish an Uzbek-Tajik from a Russian, but a Ukrainian-Moldovan - I cannot in any way! Moldovans speak at least their own language, so I can recognize them, and if someone speaks Russian, then why is he not Russian?

              Has it become easier to obtain Russian citizenship? It can be obtained in six months, starting in 08, when the compatriots resettlement program was launched. Only it practically does not give anything, then citizenship. There you need to have a registration for it, and it is better if it is permanent. With temporary registration, people are not hired everywhere.

              What is not relevant there? I did not see it once, but last summer, which ended almost 3 months ago. The climate in Ukraine is much warmer than in most of Russia + soil. In Transnistria and Moldova, all this is even better than in Ukraine, and even more so than in the Pskov or Kurgan regions, not to mention Yamal or Salekhard.
              1. boriz Online boriz
                boriz (boriz) 23 November 2021 22: 51
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                In the internet, you can dig up anything you want.

                So dig it up. I have no desire to waste time on you.
                1. Xuli (o) Tebenado 24 November 2021 00: 12
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                  I don't need it.
                  I rely on personal knowledge, observation and experience. Unlike you, Internet educators, prophets and writers.
                  I’m not sorry to waste time on you, stoneheads, but the sense from this is exactly 0 (zero), because it is known that only the grave corrects humpbacks.
            2. Xuli (o) Tebenado 23 November 2021 23: 12
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              In Kaluga, Muscovites deliberately crushed the local poultry farm (like many local industry enterprises)

              The main thing is that the Kristall distillery in Kaluga has not yet been crushed or poured into three. And this plant occupies an area slightly smaller than the university campus of Lomonosov Moscow State University on Sparrow Hills in Moscow :))
              1. boriz Online boriz
                boriz (boriz) 24 November 2021 02: 03
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                Crystal has not been working for a long time. The same Muscovites killed it.
                There was such a plant! The widest assortment, quality! Not a single Kaluga resident would have thought of drinking someone else's vodka (tincture, liqueur) or eating someone else's mayonnaise. Mayonnaise was also made on Kristall. Amazing leavened wort, ketchup began to be made.
                When after the institute, under the USSR, he worked as a designer, they often went to Moscow, to the head institute. They asked us to call in advance, gave orders and we brought them. Some - Ambassadorial, some - mountain ash on cognac ... Muscovites ruined everything.

                I rely on personal knowledge, observation and experience.

                http://kaluga24.tv/zdanie-kristalla-mozhet-poluchit-moskovskij-predprinimatel-s-bolshoj-bukvy/
                Here is the price for your experience, knowledge, observation: a piece of crap.
                And those same Muscovites who are selling you a bottle for "Kaluzhsky Kristall" in Obninsk. Like, people are eating. And after all hawala.
                All the best ...
        2. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
          gunnerminer (gunnerminer) 23 November 2021 21: 32
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          He did not write anything about Ukraine and its problems of consumption, it is about the LPNR and the Russian Foreign Ministry's helplessness to establish a calm life for the civilian LPR.
          1. boriz Online boriz
            boriz (boriz) 24 November 2021 12: 28
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            And I wrote, just about the attitude of Ukrainians to what is happening and will happen in the LPNR. That the war will not be needed.
            1. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
              gunnerminer (gunnerminer) 24 November 2021 12: 42
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              The decision to start a war is not made in Kiev, and not in Moscow.
  • Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
    Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 23 November 2021 21: 47
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    Approved by General Assembly resolution 3314 (XXIX) of December 14, 1974

    Article 1
    Aggression is the use of armed force by a state against the sovereignty, territorial integrity or political independence of another state, or in any other way incompatible with the Charter of the United Nations, as established in this definition.
    Article 2
    The first use of armed force by the state in violation of the Charter is prima facie evidence of an act of aggression, although the Security Council may, in accordance with the Charter, conclude that the determination that an act of aggression was committed will not be justified in the light of other relevant circumstances, including the fact that the relevant acts or their consequences are not of a sufficiently serious nature.
    Article 5
    1. No considerations of any nature, whether political, economic, military or otherwise, can justify aggression.
    2. Aggressive war is a crime against international peace. Aggression entails international responsibility.

    3. No territorial acquisition or special benefit resulting from aggression is and cannot be recognized as lawful.

    FINAL ACT of the Conference on Security and Cooperation in Europe

    III. Inviolability of borders
    The participating States see as inviolable all the borders of each other, as well as the borders of all states in Europe, and therefore they will refrain now and in the future from any encroachment on these borders.
    They will accordingly refrain from any requirements or actions aimed at seizing and usurping part or all of the territory of any participating State.

    July 13, 2014, a high-explosive projectile fired by the Armed Forces of Ukraine during the so-called ATO

    See article 2 for the definition of aggression.

    I wonder how old the author is and whether he has children? It’s somehow difficult for me to imagine not a young man who has children, dreaming of a bloody bath, especially in a neighboring, kindred country. I probably idealize the world, but such radicalism, in my opinion, is inherent in childless young people.
    1. shiva Offline shiva
      shiva (Ivan) 23 November 2021 22: 56
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      I'm not an idealist. I am a pragmatist. Imagine - people have settled in a neighboring apartment who openly say that you are their enemies. They are ready to set fire to your door, beat up your children, throw a stone or a burning bottle at your window, look at the right-wing Ukrainian radicals - there is even worse and much more varied imagination there.
      And these people are already our neighbors. Let not in a couple of meters, but by the standards of the planet - they are already at our doorstep.
      Is this aggression? Is it being treated?
      The method is essentially the same - military intervention and compulsory treatment of the population from aggression imposed from the outside with demonstrative executions of war criminals and instigators.
      1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 24 November 2021 03: 27
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        Quote: shiva
        Is it aggression?

        No, aggression is the introduction of troops or support for illegal armed groups.

        Quote: shiva
        Is it being treated?

        Time heals everything, including Great Russian chauvinism.

        Quote: shiva
        The method is essentially the same - military intervention

        This is aggression. I would like to remind you that the USSR was torn apart by the war in Afghanistan (a country with a population of 15 million), the big question is whether the Russian Federation will pull military intervention and the occupation of Ukraine (a country with a population of 40 million).

        Quote: shiva
        compulsory treatment of the population from aggression imposed on them from the outside with demonstrative executions of war criminals and instigators.

        Yes Yes. How were the Crimean Tatars and Ingush treated?
        1. Mikhail Alekseev (Mikhail Alekseev) 24 November 2021 11: 16
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          Your svidomye mantras are certainly interesting for us-but they are far-fetched))) It's funny to hear about all sorts of resolutions and stuff from you after the annexation of the GDR, aggression against Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya, and so on. Let your West first answer for its crimes and then demand something from Russia. Regarding aid to the separatists - so in the 90s Ukraine SAMA helped the Chechen separatists in Russia - sent mercenaries, treated the militants, opened separatist centers in Lviv and Kiev, etc. And no one in Ukraine has repented for this until now - therefore, your attempts to tell Russia who to support and who does not are at least ridiculous. The US supports the separatists in Syria, the US troops are in Syria without an invitation from the legitimate government and everyone in the world does not care, including Ukraine. But you vehemently condemn any Russian presence.
          Your mantras are just a Russophobic manual that can be broken with facts, I just gave a little - but much more is possible.
          And finally - your Ukraine still does not have internationally legal borders with the same Russia. Therefore, all your so-called territorial integrity is just zilch)))
          1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
            Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 24 November 2021 23: 40
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            Quote: Mikhail Alekseev
            your svidomo mantras are of course interesting to us

            Who is it for you? If that I am a citizen of the Russian Federation and have lived all my life in St. Petersburg.

            Quote: Mikhail Alekseev
            It's funny to hear from you about all sorts of resolutions and stuff after the annexation of the GDR, aggression against Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya, and so on. Let your West first answer for its crimes and then demand something from Russia.

            And what, troops were sent to the GDR and used force? Well, okay, I have quoted the definitions of aggression in international law. Whether you like or dislike whether someone has done something similar before or not, this does not in any way affect this definition. It is like that.

            Quote: Mikhail Alekseev
            Regarding aid to the separatists - so in the 90s Ukraine SAMA helped the Chechen separatists in Russia - sent mercenaries, treated the militants, opened separatist centers in Lviv and Kiev, etc. And no one in Ukraine has repented for this until now - therefore, your attempts to tell Russia who to support and who does not are at least ridiculous.

            I don’t remember what the Russian Federation would have made claims on this matter. But again, this does not affect the definition of aggression in any way.

            Quote: Mikhail Alekseev
            But you vehemently condemn any Russian presence.

            Yes, I would like our country not to fight with anyone

            We are peaceful people, but our armored train
            Standing on the siding!

            all the more, I am sure that such adventures are beyond our means.

            Quote: Mikhail Alekseev
            Your mantras are just a Russophobic manual that can be broken with facts, I just gave a little - but much more is possible.

            You have not cited more than one fact that the introduction of troops into the territory of Ukraine will not be aggression. All your argumentation comes down to not tricky if others do so, then we can. Only very much I would like, if something like that turns around (which is unlikely), that those like you would be in the forefront of the troops.

            Quote: Mikhail Alekseev
            And finally - your Ukraine still does not have internationally legal borders with the same Russia. Therefore, all your so-called territorial integrity is just zilch)))

            Firstly, Ukraine is not mine, and secondly, this is nonsense, don't you understand that?
            1. Mikhail Alekseev (Mikhail Alekseev) 25 November 2021 07: 28
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              your svidomye ipsoshnye ears stick out from each of your training manuals that you post here, "St. Petersburg")))
              Yes, troops were brought into the GDR and the army of the GDR was disarmed. Was the annexation of the GDR by West Germany. It was without blood - but that did not stop it being an annexation. You also have an annexation in Crimea - although Russia did not introduce troops there, since under the treaty Russia had the right to keep troops in Crimea - 25 thousand.About illegal aggression against Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya, Syria, etc. if you want - you only have Russian aggression in your pot)))
              That is, help to Chechen separatists from Ukraine in 90 is justified by the fact that Russia did not make any claims then?) Of course - then the aggression of Ukraine was in the side of Russia, I agree with you and with your definition of aggression
              When you stop shitting Russia, when you stop killing Russians, then Russia will not fight with anyone.
              I have cited a large number of facts - your mantras about the fact that Russia has no right to do something like other countries are simply ridiculous. You are murderers and thieves - you can only be punished, and not listened to about international law that you have long violated and are violating. There is no aggression of Russia and there has never been - your Ukraine has not yet declared war on the axressor - all your mantras that it is such a disadvantage are just mantras. Russia is not an aggressor and your Ukraine confirms this by the fact that the war has not been declared.
              I was already in the forefront and will be again if necessary. And a military court awaits you and the sentence is short, since the ukrokaratels will execute you for all your crimes)
              Your Ukraine and Russia still do not have a border and this is not nonsense, no matter how much you want the opposite. The border agreement was never finalized. Yatsenyuk tried in 2014 to unilaterally carry out demarcation, but even the West did not support him. That is why your Ukraine does not file claims, for example, about some kind of aggression or annexation in 7 years - but only files claims for private property in the same Crimea
        2. boriz Online boriz
          boriz (boriz) 24 November 2021 12: 36
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          I would like to remind you that the Russian Federation annexed Crimea and supports the armed separatist movements fighting against government forces.

          After Kosovo, such reasoning does not work. This is not to mention North Cyprus, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, etc.
          There was a referendum in Crimea. Everyone was invited. Those who did not come are their personal problems. There was no referendum in Kosovo.
          1. Mikhail Alekseev (Mikhail Alekseev) 24 November 2021 14: 39
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            and they believe that they and their Western masters can violate international law, invade independent countries under false and far-fetched pretexts, help separatists who are against Russia and its allies, and so on and so on. And Russia cannot answer))) And if Russia suddenly answers and starts killing those whose hands are up to the elbows in Russian blood, then this is Great Russian chauvinism)))
          2. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
            Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 25 November 2021 00: 34
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            Quote: boriz
            After Kosovo, such reasoning does not work. This is not to mention North Cyprus, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, etc.

            That is, you think after these events the Serbs, Iraqis, Afghans, etc. to treat with understanding that their countries were bombed and occupied and do not feel any negative feelings towards the Americans? Let me not believe you.

            Quote: boriz
            There was a referendum in Crimea. Everyone was invited. Those who did not come are their personal problems. There was no referendum in Kosovo.

            Yet again

            Article 5
            1. No considerations of any nature, whether political, economic, military or otherwise, can justify aggression.
            1. boriz Online boriz
              boriz (boriz) 25 November 2021 01: 41
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              That is, you count after these events

              I think that after these events it is simply stupid and pointless to bring any accusations against Russia ..
        3. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
          Marzhecki (Sergei) 24 November 2021 17: 01
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          Yes Yes. How were the Crimean Tatars and Ingush treated?

          There is no need to help the military enemy. Let them say thank you that the collaborators did not shoot everyone, but simply relocated.
          1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
            Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 24 November 2021 22: 51
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            You know, the Nazis practiced collective responsibility on the territory of the USSR. For example Khatyn. To apply such principles of collective responsibility to one's own citizens, in my personal opinion, is criminal. In modern terms, this is genocide. The punishment should not apply to an entire people if the crime was committed by some of its representatives.
            1. isofat Online isofat
              isofat (isofat) 24 November 2021 23: 20
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              Enlighten ...
              1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                Oleg Rambover (Oleg Pitersky) 24 November 2021 23: 55
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                Seriously, you don't really understand that this is utter nonsense? I’m just curious, do the Nazi utterances of this freak find understanding in your head?
                1. isofat Online isofat
                  isofat (isofat) 25 November 2021 00: 05
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                  That's all you can to object? sad
                2. boriz Online boriz
                  boriz (boriz) 25 November 2021 02: 03
                  +2
                  Labeling isn't the smartest thing to do. And Wasserman is telling the truth. About 20 Crimean Tatars served in the Hitlerite police. This is exactly the mob resource of the Crimean Tatar people. I know this even without Wasserman.
                  Of course, while the rest of the Soviet men chilled out in operations such as "Bagration", the Tatars and others suffered terribly in exile. I'll pay the price right now.
                  To remind you that the United States immediately after Pearl Harbor shoved into a concentration camp all US citizens with at least 1/16 of Japanese blood? Despite the fact that they did nothing wrong. In total, about 110 people turned out. There was simply no more. If there were a million, a million would be closed.

                  According to a 1943 Military Directorate of Displacement report, internees were housed in "barracks of simple construction, covered with tarpaulin, without sewers or kitchens."

                  For example, the Hart Mountain Center for Displaced Persons in northwest Wyoming was a barbed wire camp with a shared toilet, bunks instead of beds, and a budget of 45 cents per person per day. Since most of the internees were evicted from their homes on the west coast without advance notice and with no knowledge of their final destination, many did not take clothing suitable for Wyoming winters, when temperatures often dropped below -20 degrees Celsius.

                  Production began on February 2, 1945. Three years in a barrack under a roofing material roof.
          2. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
            gunnerminer (gunnerminer) 29 November 2021 17: 49
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            They are now recouping as best they can. In 1991-2005, the Vainakhs showed that they can defend their interests with arms in hand, and the cash flow pours on them.
  • gorenina91 Online gorenina91
    gorenina91 (Irina) 24 November 2021 05: 31
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    Russia has long had a casus belli for the war with Ukraine

    - Ha ... - "a white and horned goat" that is milked by everyone - whoever wants it (but not Russia) ... - that's what Russia really has ...

    Discrimination against Russians in Ukraine is probably the least of the evils listed above that the post-Maidan authorities are doing. Russians are prohibited from using their native language for learning and as a second state language

    - What is this ??? - And it's not a shame to Ukrainian Russians ??? - They took their tongue and cut it off - and they just cry ...
    - Well, they would try to "prohibit the French language" in Canada for the French or the Scots in Britain - to prohibit speaking, writing in Scottish and all local schools would be closed ... - Yes ... now both Canada and Britain would blaze so that all the ice in Greenland would melt !!!
    - Damn, even blacks in the USA; Negroes - for whom the fourth generation does not work - only snooze and have dinner and spend whole days wandering the streets and pubs - who live on a free allowance ... - even these Negroes have achieved that already "whites are in slavery" - how when they were ... - But the Negroes have neither their own army, nor their own police, and so on ...
    - So what is happening with the Russians ??? - Almost half of the inhabitants of Ukraine are Russians ... - And they took them and so easily "sewn up their mouths" ... - so that they could only cry and squeak ... - Can anyone perceive such a thing adequately ?? ?
    - Yes .., tomorrow and in Russia - Tajiks, Uzbeks, Caucasians - will take and forbid Russians to speak Russian ... - and then what ???
    - Well, let's - let's all cry together ... - maybe it will save us and it will help us ...
    - In Ukraine it did not help - what if it will help in Russia ...
  • Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 24 November 2021 16: 17
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    Quote: Oleg Rambover
    See article 2 for the definition of aggression.

    I wonder how old the author is and whether he has children? It’s somehow difficult for me to imagine not a young man who has children, dreaming of a bloody bath, especially in a neighboring, kindred country. I probably idealize the world, but such radicalism, in my opinion, is inherent in childless young people.

    This is demagogy
  • zenion Offline zenion
    zenion (zinovy) 24 November 2021 16: 45
    +1
    Don’t touch the Ukrainian breeders. If they do not interfere, they themselves will die. Everything goes to the fact that Ukraine will have, like Hitler, two fronts in the west and east. And the Westerners will win everything and Lviv will again become Poles, and Transcarpathia will be Hungarian and Czech. We'll have to flee to Russia, so as not to fall into the hands of angry voters, they will not be spared.
  • Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 24 November 2021 17: 44
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    Quote: Oleg Rambover
    Approved by General Assembly resolution 3314 (XXIX) of December 14, 1974

    Article 1
    Aggression is the use of armed force by a state against the sovereignty, territorial integrity or political independence of another state, or in any other way incompatible with the Charter of the United Nations, as established in this definition.
    Article 2
    The first use of armed force by the state in violation of the Charter is prima facie evidence of an act of aggression, although the Security Council may, in accordance with the Charter, conclude that the determination that an act of aggression was committed will not be justified in the light of other relevant circumstances, including the fact that the relevant acts or their consequences are not of a sufficiently serious nature.
    Article 5
    1. No considerations of any nature, whether political, economic, military or otherwise, can justify aggression.
    2. Aggressive war is a crime against international peace. Aggression entails international responsibility.
    3. No territorial acquisition or special benefit resulting from aggression is and cannot be recognized as lawful.

    FINAL ACT of the Conference on Security and Cooperation in Europe

    III. Inviolability of borders
    The participating States see as inviolable all the borders of each other, as well as the borders of all states in Europe, and therefore they will refrain now and in the future from any encroachment on these borders.
    They will accordingly refrain from any requirements or actions aimed at seizing and usurping part or all of the territory of any participating State.

    July 13, 2014, a high-explosive projectile fired by the Armed Forces of Ukraine during the so-called ATO

    See article 2 for the definition of aggression.

    Yes, but what about a test tube of washing powder as a pretext for invading sovereign Iraq?
  • Netyn Offline Netyn
    Netyn (Netyn) 24 November 2021 21: 11
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    Sergey, so what's the problem then?
    Take an aircraft carrier and blow Ukraine to conquer
  • Sofa division Offline Sofa division
    Sofa division (Maksim) 24 November 2021 21: 39
    +1
    Quote: boriz
    Then the war will not be needed. No matter how sorry I am to disappoint the bloodthirsty Sergei.

    God grant that! But how not to get "both shame and war." As for me, death is better.
  • Sofa division Offline Sofa division
    Sofa division (Maksim) 24 November 2021 21: 45
    +1
    In general, the plan is as follows:
    1. We take Kiev in a couple of days
    2. We give Lviv to Poles
    3. Poles open the border for refugees
    4. Everyone has forgotten about Ukraine, we run away and live on.
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    2. isofat Online isofat
      isofat (isofat) 24 November 2021 22: 39
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      5. Zelensky with friends to their historical homeland.
    3. gunnerminer Offline gunnerminer
      gunnerminer (gunnerminer) 29 November 2021 17: 50
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      The Poles take Ukrainians anyway, through the checkpoint with passports, and the border is closed for the Kurds, to the surprise of Lukashenka and Lavrov.
  • Sergofan Offline Sergofan
    Sergofan (sergey Pupkin) 25 November 2021 03: 37
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    The Kremlin has been chewing snot for the eighth year, there have been sanctions, there are and will be
  • shiva Offline shiva
    shiva (Ivan) 25 November 2021 08: 55
    +2
    Quote: Oleg Rambover
    You are too primitive. I would like to remind you that the Russian Federation annexed Crimea and supports the armed separatist movements fighting against government forces.

    There is journalist Gordon in Ukraine. So white, bald, smooth, like rubber.
    So, with the methodical nature of a woodpecker, for several years now he has been asking everyone one question - whose is Crimea? Kind of like a litmus test - are you for the reds or for the whites?
    You repeated the answer to this question on Psaki's cheat sheet and belong to the Gordons, and therefore you are out of the game.
    I don’t communicate with primitizing organisms, learn Russian, my dear!