Ukraine announces the start of construction of a joint cosmodrome with Canada

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Kiev continues to demonstrate its space ambitions. On November 18, in Halifax, a joint statement of partnership was signed between the State Space Agency of Ukraine and the Canadian Space Agency. The next day, during a ceremony, the start of construction of the first launch pad for the future cosmodrome in the province of Nova Scotia was announced. This was reported by the Ukrainian Embassy in Canada and the aforementioned Ukrainian department.


The laying of the "first stone" took place right in the room where the said event was held, i.e. was purely symbolic, not real. However, the Ukrainian side claims that the project of this facility provides for the creation of a real cosmodrome on the Atlantic coast of the above-mentioned Canadian province. It will launch two-stage Cyclone-4M launch vehicles, which are developed and produced by Yuzhnoye Design Bureau and Yuzhny Machine-Building Plant in Dnipro (Dnepropetrovsk).


The project will be implemented by the Canadian company Maritime Launch Services Ltd (MLS). The command center of the future cosmodrome will be named after Alexander Degtyarev, the designer and former head of Yuzhnoye Design Bureau, who died of COVID-19 on November 24, 2020 at the age of 69 (posthumously awarded the title of Hero of Ukraine with the award of the Order of Power).

We remind you that Ukraine already has an unsuccessful experience of international cooperation in the field of astronautics. At one time, the Ukrainian side agreed with the Brazilians on launches from the Alcantara cosmodrome in the state of Maranhao on the north of the Atlantic coast of Brazil, a light-class Cyclone-4 launch vehicle. The first launch was scheduled for 2010. In 2015, Brazil unilaterally terminated cooperation with Kiev, due to the accumulation of technological and financial problems, as well as the uncertainty of the project's export prospects.
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  1. akarfoxhound Offline akarfoxhound
    akarfoxhound 20 November 2021 20: 36
    +4
    Well, puppies become stars, instead of cases they are no strangers. They already held a parade in Sevastopol 6 years ago, and other hallucinogenic mriyas were also sent in trains to hungry Russia ...
    1. Scorpion_26 Offline Scorpion_26
      Scorpion_26 (Oleg) 20 November 2021 20: 47
      -10
      Well, don't bomb you, calm down. Well, no one bothers you, but about staring, remember about the star Rogozin, and in general he grew up about the star. politicians, remember, baby. That you are annoying flies. RF with China, when something is being built, no one in Ukraine is indignant or envious. Ukraine has chosen its own path, or rather the people of Ukraine, and you will have to accept this and live with your inferiority complexes with your megalomania alone.
  2. Scorpion_26 Offline Scorpion_26
    Scorpion_26 (Oleg) 20 November 2021 20: 42
    -9
    Most of the founders and designers of Soviet rocketry were from Ukraine. Nikolay Kibalchich, Sergey Korolev, Yuri Kondratyuk, Georgy Langemak, Valentin Glushko. The first Soviet missile range "Kapustin Yar" was created and led by General Vasily Voznyuk (born in Vinnitsa region, Ukraine) for 30 years. Korolev instructed him to find a place for a new, more powerful cosmodrome, which later became known as "Baikonur". Its construction was headed by General Mikhail Grigorenko from Luhansk region, Ukraine. The Russians did not trust the astronautics from the word at all. Two of the most famous designers of anti-missile defense (ABM) systems, born in neighboring Ukrainian regions (in Zaporozhye and Dnepropetrovsk, respectively) - Grigory Kisunko developed the Soviet missile defense, and Edward Gintzton created a klystron in the United States - the main element of radar. And the tests of Buran were entrusted to Igor Volk (Zmiev, Kharkov region, Ukrainian SSR, USSR). I am embarrassed to ask when the Russian NPO Energomash, which bears the name of Valentin Glushko, will change its surname to Rogozin. And when will the sale of the modernized RD-180 engine to the States under the boastful label "Made in Russia", the developer of which is Glushko, stop? Russia is still working as a taxi driver on Soviet missiles, the main developers of which are designers with Ukrainian roots, where are Rogozin super-missiles with super-engines "from scratch"? Where is the Vostochny cosmodrome, on the construction of which so much was stolen !?

    1. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
      Ulysses (Alexey) 20 November 2021 21: 35
      +5
      Too shy to ask,

      Do not hesitate, tell us further about the Ukrainian ships plying the vastness of the universe ... laughing
      1. Scorpion_26 Offline Scorpion_26
        Scorpion_26 (Oleg) 20 November 2021 22: 00
        -11
        Unsuccessful launches in the Russian Federation. The first occurred on November 28, when, according to Rogozin's statement, the spaceports were confused, the rocket was launched from Vostochny and it exploded. The second launch was made on December 27, the rocket put everything into orbit perfectly, but then the Angolan communications satellite died.

        Now we put everything on the shelves.

        The first low-quality Russian-made Soyuz-2 missile, which fell on November 28, was assembled in Samara at the Progress plant. This is where the workers got drunk when the rockets were still alcoholic.

        The second high-quality missile of Ukrainian production Zenit, which in Russia was named Union for TV viewers, successfully launched on the night of December 27 and completed its task, according to the website of the Ukrainian Dnepropetrovsk plant YUZHMASH. But the Angosat-1 satellite itself, produced by the Russian rocket and space corporation Energia, stopped communicating.

        Hence the conclusion that systemic errors in Russian space are associated with the reduction of the scientific and technical base of Roskosmos after the final departure of the Ukrainian component of Soviet cosmonautics. Not only the Ukrainian production base, but also Ukrainian design bureaus, talented designers, engineers and locksmiths have disappeared irrevocably.
        1. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
          Ulysses (Alexey) 20 November 2021 22: 10
          +4
          Second quality rocket Ukrainian-made Zenith, which in Russia was called the Union for TV viewers, It successfully started on the night of December 27 and completed its task, according to the website of the Ukrainian Dnepropetrovsk plant YUZHMASH.

          Frank nonsense.

          You probably still believe that the Crimean bridge is assembled exclusively in the pavilions of Mosfilm.

    2. tagil Offline tagil
      tagil (Sergei) 20 November 2021 21: 43
      +6
      So what, the great Sumerians were also Ukrainians, and the pharaohs too, so the Ukrainians built pyramids and dug the Black (Russian) Sea. And also all the great poets, writers and artists who passed or flew over Hohland become great Ukrainians. So it is not surprising that you have just the color of the entire zena of civilization, the great Ukrainians. Refute or what?
    3. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
      Ulysses (Alexey) 20 November 2021 21: 44
      0
      Where is the Vostochny cosmodrome, on the construction of which so much was stolen !?

      Can't find Ukraine on the globe? lol

      1. Scorpion_26 Offline Scorpion_26
        Scorpion_26 (Oleg) 20 November 2021 21: 55
        -8
        Where are the new Russian missiles, taxi drivers? For a long time you will still use the drawings, for free, of the modernized "Voskhod" by Sergei Pavlovich, somehow not in Russian, to hate Ukrainian means to burn all the drawings, all the developments. And now the Prosecutor General's Office of the Russian Federation has demanded a daily report on the construction of the Vostochny cosmodrome. The Prosecutor General noted that from the very beginning of the construction of the cosmodrome, he was accompanied by many problems with the law (theft), which, despite the punishment of the guilty, have not yet been eradicated. To solve them, you will need to use a whole range of measures, increase the level of responsibility of performers and conduct continuous monitoring. When do you run the "Vostochny" shed?
        1. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
          Ulysses (Alexey) 20 November 2021 22: 05
          +3
          Where are the new Russian missiles, taxi drivers?

          Our rockets are flying.

          Where are your rockets?
          1. Scorpion_26 Offline Scorpion_26
            Scorpion_26 (Oleg) 20 November 2021 22: 23
            -7
            Ours also fly, there is a joint project with the United States for the delivery of Cygnus cargo, I see you live under an information hood, but the proposed project of super-heavy missiles Mayak for flights to the Moon on the Artemis mission. The SH7 lighthouse can carry a load of 250 tons.

            1. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
              Ulysses (Alexey) 20 November 2021 23: 01
              +3
              Ours also fly, there is a joint project with the United States for the delivery of Cygnus cargo

              Yours "fly" exclusively in projects ..
              And not even yours.
              On your own, you are only capable of fantasizing.
            2. sH, arK Offline sH, arK
              sH, arK 21 November 2021 10: 41
              +1
              The lighthouse can output;))) Yes, he can not do anything! His wet dreams are as silly as you fantasized! What rockets? You will soon have no light! Electric;))) You have no industry at all! YOU are even the only ship, ordinary, sea, which you, so clever, have built hundreds, in 30 years have not been able to build at the BIGGEST SHIPYARD IN THE WORLD (ChSZ, which was recently closed down completely!) ... Now you are buying these Scows from Turks for credit money;)))

              You are clowns!
          2. Scorpion_26 Offline Scorpion_26
            Scorpion_26 (Oleg) 20 November 2021 22: 37
            -6
            Elon Musk called the Ukrainian missile one of the best in the world. The famous entrepreneur liked Zenith.

            Canadian-American entrepreneur, engineer and inventor Elon Musk recognized the product of the Ukrainian space engineering as one of the highest quality products in the world.

            This is reported by the official website of the National Industrial Portal.

            When asked by a CNN journalist during a blitz interview about "the rocket that he considers the best," Elon Musk, in addition to his own vehicles, recalled the Ukrainian Zenit launch vehicle. It is produced at the Dneprovsk plant "Yuzhmash".
            1. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
              Ulysses (Alexey) 20 November 2021 23: 04
              +3
              Elon Musk called the Ukrainian missile one of the best in the world. The famous entrepreneur liked Zenit

              Round off with outright delirium.
            2. sH, arK Offline sH, arK
              sH, arK 21 November 2021 10: 33
              +2
              Zenith is a Ukrainian rocket;)) Well, as Korolev is a Ukrainian, yes;)) Like my mother, father and grandfather are also "Kuban Ukrainians" - well, they were recorded in the 50s!

              So if "Ukrainian" - so where is she? Why doesn't it fly? Duma richer? ;)) Clowns ...
    4. akarfoxhound Offline akarfoxhound
      akarfoxhound 20 November 2021 22: 00
      +8
      Well, yes, it is bombing you, judging by the emotional foam of all-Ukrainianness, your "historians" who bombarded with shenerliness registered Jesus in Ukraine, and the Aryans and the Germans turned out to be driven by 4 Ukrainian fronts, consisting entirely of Ukrainians and other delusional pearls. And about the names you listed, they have absolutely nothing to do with Ukraine. These people are related to the Soviet Union, which is "suddenly" foreign to you today. It was Soviet science and Soviet engineers. If the union had not collapsed, I would also have stayed on the territory of the Ukrainian SSR on demobilization, and what, would I become a Ukrainian from this? Did the bathhouse burn out? As one anecdote says - if a sparrow was born in a pigsty - he suddenly became a pig? Lenin, on whose behalf you are scratching yourself all the time, transferred the southeastern regions to the Ukrainian SSR for this reason, in order to somehow dilute the selyukism with engineers and workers. His engineers are Ukrainian, yeah ..
      So leave this xoxloidentity sucked out of your finger to your jumping brothers, they will only enter this nonsense into Bandera's unicellular brain. And most importantly, jump, jump more often, and yell that you did not get wet without stopping, it helps a lot in inventions like laughing
      1. Scorpion_26 Offline Scorpion_26
        Scorpion_26 (Oleg) 20 November 2021 22: 11
        -7
        Pavel Popovich, born in 1930. in the village of Uzin, Kiev region. During World War II, he was in the occupied territory, like Y. Gagarin. In 2, Pavel graduated from a vocational school in Bila Tserkva. The Soviet "cosmonaut No. 1947" was the first Ukrainian who saw our planet from space. Popovich's first flight took place in August 4. Contemporaries recall that Popovich was supposed to be the first cosmonaut in all respects, he was trained together with Yuri Gagarin, but, as the cosmonaut himself later recalled, "according to the policy of that time, a Russian should be a pioneer in space." He was a deputy of the Supreme Soviet of the Ukrainian SSR of several convocations, the president of the Ukrainian cultural society "Slavutich" in Moscow. Buried in 1962. Gurzuf, Crimea, Ukraine. Even in space I sang my favorite song “I wonder at the sky that I wonder: why didn’t I let it, why didn’t I float? (I look at the sky and dream in my thoughts: why am I not a falcon, why am I not flying? "- during radio communication with his teacher and flight director Sergei Korolev, who also loved this song. he shed tears and thanked Popovich for the song. Reporting to General Secretary N. Khrushchev about the completed task, Popovich said: “I am the first Soviet cosmonaut from Ukraine.” From 2009 to 1999, P.R. those who have been in space are immigrants from Ukraine: Popovich, Beregovoy, Shonin, Zholobov, Lyakhov, Popov, Kizim, Wolf, etc. In the photo - Popovich with his family.

        I look at the sky
        and in my thoughts I dream:
        why am I not a falcon,
        why don't I fly?
        Why should I, God,
        did you give wings?
        I'd leave the Earth
        and flew into the sky!



        1. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
          Ulysses (Alexey) 20 November 2021 22: 21
          +3
          Popovich, reporting to General Secretary N. Khrushchev about the completed assignment, said: "I am the first Soviet cosmonaut from Ukraine."

          And he added, "she's not dead yet"
          Both shed tears in their embroidered shirts ..
          1. Scorpion_26 Offline Scorpion_26
            Scorpion_26 (Oleg) 20 November 2021 22: 25
            -5
            Khrushchev is generally from Kursk, our Lenya Brezhnev is from Dnepropetrovsk, under which people at least lived like a human being, so Khrushchev would be ashamed to wear a Slavic shirt.
            1. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
              Ulysses (Alexey) 20 November 2021 23: 27
              +3
              Khrushchev is actually from Kursk,

              A real "Kursk guy" ..

              1. Scorpion_26 Offline Scorpion_26
                Scorpion_26 (Oleg) 21 November 2021 00: 32
                -5
                Read attentively!

                Nikita Sergeevich Khrushchev was born in 1894 in the village of Kalinovka, Olkhovskaya volost, Dmitrievsky district, Kursk province (currently - Khomutovsky district, Kursk region) in the family of the miner Sergei Nikanorovich Khrushchev (d. 1938) and Ksenia Ivanovna Khrushcheva (1872-1945). Russian origin is noted in memoirs, speeches and personal data; In his memoirs, he noted that by the time he was appointed to work in the Ukrainian SSR, he did not know the Ukrainian language.

                If I now put on a Chinese shirt, will I become Chinese?)))
        2. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
          Ulysses (Alexey) 20 November 2021 22: 28
          +2
          Contemporaries recall that Popovich was supposed to be the first cosmonaut in all respects, he was trained together with Yuri Gagarin, but, as the cosmonaut himself later recalled, "according to the policy of that time, a Russian should be a pioneer in space."

          An alternative story from those who believe that Yuzhmash is still alive.
          And Ukraine, a great space power. smile
          1. Scorpion_26 Offline Scorpion_26
            Scorpion_26 (Oleg) 20 November 2021 23: 03
            -7
            They are already engaged in the Cyclone-4M rocket.

            Cyclone-4M LV first stage engine

            RD-874 is a cluster rocket engine with a declared thrust at sea level of 319 tf. It consists of 4 remote control units RD-870 (with the ability to turn off two remote control units) with a turbo-pump system for supplying fuel components. This engine works according to the scheme with generator gas afterburning.

            Second stage engine of LV "TsIKLON-4M"

            The RD861K engine, designed to create thrust and control the third stage of the Cyclone-4 launch vehicle in the active phase of flight along the pitch and yaw channels, was developed on the basis of the Soviet RD861. RD861K is a single-chamber engine with a turbo pump system for supplying self-igniting fuel components (without afterburning the generator gas) ... The thrust vector is controlled by turning the engine in a gimbal in two mutually perpendicular planes.

            Design Bureau "Yuzhnoye" them. Yangel successfully completed the final development test of the RD-861K rocket engine.


    5. bonifacius Offline bonifacius
      bonifacius (Alex) 20 November 2021 22: 24
      +1
      One part of the listed surnames was born in the Russian Empire, and the second part in the USSR.
      1. Scorpion_26 Offline Scorpion_26
        Scorpion_26 (Oleg) 20 November 2021 22: 33
        -5
        yes, even in the States or China, the fact remains that Russia has only a territorial relationship to Soviet space, besides, Russia itself ditched Kibalchich, almost ditched the rest, well done, they have projects, development, and they gulags, Sergei Pavlovich would not give lie. This is what the Ukrainians will never forgive Moscow.
        1. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
          Ulysses (Alexey) 20 November 2021 23: 20
          +3
          yes, even in the States or China, the fact remains that Russia is only territorially related to Soviet space,

          The fact remains that Russia has retained the space industry.
          From operating production to launch sites and the flight control center, everything is different.
          Do you have something other than "projects" of your own?
          Answer honestly ..
          1. Scorpion_26 Offline Scorpion_26
            Scorpion_26 (Oleg) 20 November 2021 23: 51
            -7
            What has Russia, the space industry, retained? Is it an achievement in the 50st century to do what they were doing 21 years ago?))) To work as a taxi driver on Soviet missiles, to trump a Soviet engine in front of the States, which, in fact, is not your development is this achievement? Is it an achievement to create scrap metal "Fedor" and disgrace the whole world? To release perfume, clothes and alcohol "Let's go!" (https://ria.ru/20201113/roskosmos-1584436841.html) Is this an achievement for Roscosmos? Is it also an achievement to send actors and directors to the ISS, and for criticism of this circus-film adventure to deprive the post of executive director because of disagreement, cosmonaut Krikalev? I can dump here on a whole volume a bunch of facts that your "space" is dead. You can't even launch a station to the Moon, what do you want to boast about? What is the flight center, taxi drivers? Doing what the grandfathers did in the USSR is not space, it is commonplace. That is to send stations to the Moon, to Mars and to other planets, to build habitable lunar bases, which Sergei Pavlovich and Yuri Alekseevich dreamed of, this is Cosmos, and not to stagger in a house in orbit. There is nothing to talk about with you on this subject.
            1. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
              Ulysses (Alexey) 21 November 2021 00: 08
              +2
              Is it an achievement in the 50st century to do what they were doing 21 years ago?)))

              You have your own "undeniable achievements".

              The Yuzhnoye design bureau was constantly delaying the deadlines, because of which the launch was postponed four times, and the costs exceeded the budget many times over, and in 2015 the Brazilians left the project, due to the lack of further prospects, work on the rocket was stopped.

              From the Brazilian project, the Cyclone-4M has only a name - the two-stage rocket will consist of the first stage Zenit-2 and the third Cyclone-4, such a configuration has not yet been worked out and there is no flight history.

              One last thing, you may believe, but the "commercial spaceport" for flightless rocket (yes with the participation of Ukraine), frankly rotten enterprise. smile
            2. Fourth Offline Fourth
              Fourth (Fourth) 21 November 2021 00: 16
              +2
              Are you definitely from Ukraine? I looked at your profile, but there it is unknown. And already fourteen comments on the first day of registration.
              1. DV tam 25 Offline DV tam 25
                DV tam 25 (DV tam 25) 21 November 2021 04: 17
                0
                Only such can be from Ukraine. Others are no longer there). This so-called Svidomo. Ukrainian with a completely empty jug instead of a head). Classic case!)
                1. Fourth Offline Fourth
                  Fourth (Fourth) 21 November 2021 15: 28
                  +2
                  Wrong, we are one people with the Ukrainians. And these are alien people, posing as Ukrainians, they sow hatred for Ukraine in our souls. And vice versa.
                  1. DV tam 25 Offline DV tam 25
                    DV tam 25 (DV tam 25) 21 November 2021 15: 35
                    0
                    With Little Russians. Little Russians are our brothers and always will be. Ukrainians are a bad word, a completely discredited term. I understand what you wanted to express and within the meaning I completely agree. Unfortunately, at present, Ukrainian is a synonym for the word liar, traitor, criminal. I agree, this is not true in relation to this term, but the reality is that those who call themselves the so-called. Ukrainians are. Maybe sometime later, when Ukraine becomes Ukraine, a Ukrainian will become synonymous with brother, an honest and worthy person!
    6. akarfoxhound Offline akarfoxhound
      akarfoxhound 20 November 2021 22: 30
      +1
      And at the expense of a photo of a "serious" document:
      my very good friends, family, two daughters, the same parents, 70s, one is recorded as Russian, the second is Ukrainian in the certificates. Because everyone didn't care, you were Soviet. In the 20s, in terms of metrics, my relatives in the Georgian SSR were different from nationalities, dates with names of the left were written by passportists, semi-literate performers and also do not care.
      So show each other this document with a "real" nationality and believe it! wink
      1. Scorpion_26 Offline Scorpion_26
        Scorpion_26 (Oleg) 20 November 2021 22: 54
        -7
        Maria Matveevna Fursa (maternal grandmother of S. P. Korolev) in the Ukrainian national costume ". Nizhyn, Chernigov region, Ukraine, 1885 and the questionnaire filled in by Sergei Pavlovich upon admission to the KPI. August 10, 1924 We look at the nationality.



    7. Rico1977 Offline Rico1977
      Rico1977 (Alexander) 20 November 2021 23: 00
      +6
      There is no "Ukraine" and there will never be. There is Little Russia occupied by Bandera. And then the USSR had nothing to do with the "ruin". You are maggots crawling and gobbling up the Soviet legacy in which you spit "decommunization". You invaders have nothing to do with him. And your entire cosmodrome project is just another cut of the dough. And the Ukrainians will pay for the mansions in Miami of the chiefs of the SSAU. How the eggman got paid for the wall and bought 26 villas in Miami and became a dollar billionaire.
      1. Scorpion_26 Offline Scorpion_26
        Scorpion_26 (Oleg) 20 November 2021 23: 10
        -5
        Carry the glue, Rico1977 is torn laughing
    8. sH, arK Offline sH, arK
      sH, arK 21 November 2021 00: 36
      +6
      Do you really think S.P. Korolev is a crest? ;))) Or Glushko? Are you sure how they would answer your questions about Bandera, UPA, and other scum? Do you understand exactly the difference between Russians and Ukrainians and "khokhly"? It seems to me that you are just a stupid crest! For example, I am Ukrainian, but Russian;)
      1. Scorpion_26 Offline Scorpion_26
        Scorpion_26 (Oleg) 21 November 2021 01: 01
        -8
        There is no such nationality as Russian, there are Ukrainians, there are Russians, I personally attribute myself to Rus (Ukraine), but not to Russia, because my ancestors and I come from the territory of Ancient Rus, which completely includes all of Ukraine (Kiev, as it is also called) where the Slavic tribes who were united by Svyatoslav lived - attention! Prince of Kiev, not Russian, not Moscow, about which he did not know, the width of the abyss between Russia and Russia is 750 km. I don’t know where you came from in the north, how they baptized you, I don’t care, the baptism was with us Vladimir, on the Dnieper (he did the right thing or not, each with his own opinion). Russians call Ukrainians pig-eaters. Well, I understand that pork is prohibited in the Russian Federation, for religious reasons, but if they think of it, it only causes laughter.
        1. sH, arK Offline sH, arK
          sH, arK 21 November 2021 10: 15
          +4
          When you write such nonsense, do you understand what you are leading to? Did you teach history? I understand that the very word "Rus" itself wants to be appropriated;) True, this speaks about one thing, about one people, artificially divided first by Austria-Hungary, then by the communes ...

          I was born in the Kuban, the ancestors were Cossacks, the rich were relatively (their own farm, 120 acres of land, fifty horses, and three dozen bulls, a steam mill, etc.) But my grandfather, he was the youngest, had 11 siblings and one sister. After 1920, only he and his sister survived from the family ... Three died in World War I, then the revolution, typhus ... All his brothers fought not for Soviet power, of course;)) He went to bed with hunger, almost died ... He lived in someone else's barn (the farm burned down, there was nothing left!) As a result, many years later, he became the head of the MTS (motor-tractor station - before the collective farms did not have the opportunity to have their own means of mechanical processing - it was expensive and qualifications were needed). My grandfather never considered himself a Ukrainian, he considered himself a Cossack. But the authorities registered everyone in the Don and Kuban as "Ukrainians". How did everyone in the Donbass, in the Kharkiv region, on the entire coastline, which is now called Novorossia, become "Ukrainians" before that? They never had anything to do with Ukraine. And it never existed - in the 1 census, even the Ukrainian and Belarusian nationalities were not singled out, they were ethnic groups, Russians in fact:


          But this is a thing of the past ... You say and assign "Ukrainianness" to people who did not consider themselves Ukrainians, did not distinguish themselves from the Russians!

          But okay, even for that ... But already Ukraine itself has been living for 30 years! At the same time, having everything from Russia - cheap resources, the market! I inherited all the best from the USSR (of course, life there was more comfortable, purely in terms of territorial and climatic conditions, that's why complex production facilities were built there)! There are as many nuclear power plants as there are in Russia!
          Well, if you are so "good" - why is Russia, with all the problems, all the same, crookedly, obliquely, but GOES FORWARD, builds its industry, despite all the problems - develops the army - WHAT DID YOU, SO TALENTED? What? We came out second in France, the first economy in Europe in terms of production capacity, but have turned, such "talented" into what now? Crimea and Donbass have already left you, they barely kept Kharkiv, Nikolaev, Mariupol, Odessa ... Was it just that they had to be “held back”?

          YOU could only plunder everything that you got from Russia (USSR)! You have not built ANYTHING, you have not done anything! You have plundered and destroyed everything that the Russians have left you!
    9. Fourth Horseman Offline Fourth Horseman
      Fourth Horseman (Fourth Horseman) 21 November 2021 03: 29
      +3
      Yes Yes Yes! #the whole world knows that the Egyptian pharaohs, Christ and Confucius were Ukrainians! And Buddha was born in / on the Velyki Budyaki farm, on the outskirts of Zhitomir.
      Ukrainians were the first to come up with the wheel, writing, rvkety (of course) ...
    10. DV tam 25 Offline DV tam 25
      DV tam 25 (DV tam 25) 21 November 2021 04: 11
      +2
      In a plait bloomers))))). Do not whine, the descendants of policemen and traitors, you will fly your Canadian Bandera on fart gas directly to your Bandera. As you jump and fly away to ... to .... in short, both there and there!)
    11. sH, arK Offline sH, arK
      sH, arK 1 January 2022 14: 21
      0
      Make the Queen a crest;) He turns over in his coffin! The fact that he and his parents lived in DUrkain does not make them Ukrainians! Just as I am not made Ukrainian by the fact that my father and mother, according to my (Soviet) passport, are both "Ukrainian" nationalities, but neither mother nor father, and even more so I, after the collapse of the USSR, never considered myself to be them!
  3. Ulysses Offline Ulysses
    Ulysses (Alexey) 20 November 2021 21: 31
    +2
    The laying of the "first stone" took place right in the room where the said event was held, i.e. was purely symbolic, not real.

    The tombstone was laid without leaving the tomb.
    Pragmatically ...
  4. Eduard Aplombov Offline Eduard Aplombov
    Eduard Aplombov (Eduard Aplombov) 20 November 2021 22: 43
    +7
    you read the next ... and you are amazed, they left them the blooming richest ussr, everything was
    and nothing was left, no industry, no army, navy, no economy, everything was plundered and plundered by these bright Ukrainian minds
    cucumbers and bacon are bought from neighbors, they put stoves in apartments
    but they climb on Russian sites to tell how smart and talented they are
    make up a parallel story and heroes
    apparently in order not to be so gloomy to die in your garbage dump
    1. Scorpion_26 Offline Scorpion_26
      Scorpion_26 (Oleg) 20 November 2021 23: 15
      -8
      Edik has everything, but you think that there is nothing lol
      1. akarfoxhound Offline akarfoxhound
        akarfoxhound 21 November 2021 14: 03
        +3
        Under what star is the connection between the national costume of a particular area and the nationality introduced by Lenin in 1017 and the paper of this "nationality" filled in by the Komsomol member? If I had been born in the town of Sasovo, Tambov province in 1906, in 1927, I would have written myself as a Ryazan or in Russian Kharkov in the same 1906, and thanks to Vovka Ilyich, who suddenly became Ukrainian, and what? To unleash the dumplings, bring the firewood back to its original source?
        What can your fabrications prove? That people were born in a specific area, which later began to be called Ukraine?
        And the fact that national costumes in the same Kostroma and Samara regions are different and that different nationalities have now become?
        I read your opus for pigs, which are very fond of in Ukraine, do you seem to have nationalized the boars too? Apart from Ukraine, they were not hunted anywhere else? Do you know, for example, that there are an order of magnitude more types of dishes made from lard in Siberia than in puppies? For example, I was also surprised, they crack this bacon under different species in all villages, so what?
        For Kievan Rus, for some reason it is both convenient and twisting, here the root of the meaning is not Kiev, but Rus! For some reason, the abbreviation "Kievskaya" in the historical descriptions of the place for jumpers appeared some 500 years after the same prince Vladimir, but nafig such trifles, right? The fact that Russia was and Novgorod (absolutely the same historiographic name) is not important, right? And before that Ladoga, and after all the capitals listed - Moscow, they did not notice anything here, we passed, right? Something you do not squeal with all the Bandera kagal that Kiev is a Polish city, how many centuries it was under the gentry until the Russian tsar (who was not in Kiev at that time :) bought it back, did you also not notice?
        You don’t want to show your American khoshchyaevs that Elon Musk is in his heart and, according to the notions of a native Indian, tk. on the Indian territory, the Canaveral cosmodrome was built? The slogan of the Mayan tribe is "NASA is our Indian everything!"
        I agree with you only on one thing - we are one people, artificially divided from the outside and thought out by the Bolsheviks. And multinational Russia will be in Kiev, and in Arkhangelsk, and in Khabarovsk, and in Anadyr.
        And, answering your above question - I don't think, I know that the concept of Ukraine is ephemeral and temporary, so it will be called in the future, but only a part of the territory of one common and large Russian land.
        I saw enough of your "historical" nonsense in my time in Sevastopol. And thank God he is now Russian.
  5. kriten Offline kriten
    kriten (Vladimir) 21 November 2021 13: 20
    +1
    Ukrainians will put on account of their share of slave workers: fascists, Bendera and all other scum. And then they will be allowed to use them for the glory of Ukraine instead of dogs sent into space one way.
  6. Panikovsky Offline Panikovsky
    Panikovsky (Mikhail Samuelevich Panikovsky) 21 November 2021 18: 10
    +1
    Flag in hand, just another zilch will come out of this. Span does not have a full technological cycle in this industry. If ukram got something from the USSR, then Canada is a complete layman. Canada is a resource supplier country. The ukrov was again strongly heated. Well, they are no strangers.